Sports Illustrated predicts Redskins to win the NFC East in 2007

[#98QBKiller]

In the new print edition of Sports Illustrated (the one with LT on the cover), there's already a section predicting outcomes of 2007 and it predicts the Redskins to win the NFC East next season.

The article was kind of lighthearted so take it with a grain of salt if you read it. I looked on the Web site but couldn't find it there.

[B.Lloyd]

Yeah right...this team is in shambles...particularly the defense. We're gonna have to have a wholesale on the defensive staff before we are going to be in contention.

[Aghar]

If this is true I would like the author of that article to pass me whatever he is smoking please....:munchout:

[S21Taylor]

Wouldn't suprise me if the skins won the division next year, in fact I expect them to win the division. Our defense is bad because of GW, if he fixes his schemes for next year we can have a top defense that will be upgraded through the draft and FA. I don't think anyone realizes how much it hurts to not have Portis in the backfield, he totally changes our offense. Campbell should develop and build a level of comfort with our WRs in the offseason. :dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

[S21Taylor]

Wouldn't suprise me if the skins won the division next year, in fact I expect them to win the division. Our defense is bad because of GW, if he fixes his schemes for next year we can have a top defense that will be upgraded through the draft and FA. I don't think anyone realizes how much it hurts to not have Portis in the backfield, he totally changes our offense. Campbell should develop and build a level of comfort with our WRs in the offseason. :dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

But I think the skins are going to the super bowl every year like most of us skins fans

[Major Harris]

I don't think anyone realizes how much it hurts to not have Portis in the backfield, he totally changes our offense.


funny, because his replacement has done nothing but put up the best 5 game stretch in franchise history. and the offense has been better.

[S21Taylor]

funny, because his replacement has done nothing but put up the best 5 game stretch in franchise history. and the offense has been better.

cough cough; Mark Brunell, O-line, Injury

[SAli457180]

Yeah right...this team is in shambles...particularly the defense. We're gonna have to have a wholesale on the defensive staff before we are going to be in contention.

I'll agree to that. This team has a long way to go.

[Major Harris]

cough cough; Mark Brunell, O-line, Injury
cough cough, portis was still playing when mark got benched, cough cough, jc's numbers aren't a huge improvement over brunell's, cough cough same o-line.

[S21Taylor]

cough cough, portis was still playing when mark got benched, cough cough, jc's numbers aren't a huge improvement over brunell's, cough cough same o-line.

Your wrong cause Portis was on the IR when Campbell made his first start. You can not tell me our o-line has been playing like this all year, started when JC got the start. Portis was playing hurt all season. JC can throw the deep ball, his numbers aren't impressive but teams respect his deep ball.

Not knocking Betts, he is a solid back up. But he is no Portis

[Cheers, Beers and Mountaineers]

with saunders staying the same offense should be in place, and with portis and betts in the backfield, along with an improved JC, our offense should be set. our D although sucked this year, i believe that G.Williams is too good of a coach to allow the D to regress like they have despite what people may have said about him here on extremeskins, but then again i did get these burgundy tinted glasses for Christmas.

[Major Harris]

Your wrong cause Portis was on the IR when Campbell made his first start. You can not tell me our o-line has been playing like this all year, started when JC got the start. Portis was playing hurt all season. JC can throw the deep ball, his numbers aren't impressive but teams respect his deep ball.

Not knocking Betts, he is a solid back up. But he is no Portis
you're right about when he was placed on ir. my bad.

i'm not saying betts is portis, but i really don't think if portis was playing right now that we'd be much better off than we are with betts.

[S21Taylor]

you're right about when he was placed on ir. my bad.

i'm not saying betts is portis, but i really don't think if portis was playing right now that we'd be much better off than we are with betts.

I think Portis has that big play, explosive ability that Betts does not have. Betts hits the hole hard and is great between the tackles, but he will never break off a 60 yard td run that Portis can. If you swap Portis for Betts when he fumbled in St. Louis, Portis is in the endzone and we win.

Just my opinion, I respect yours. Betts is playing like a beast

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

Your wrong cause Portis was on the IR when Campbell made his first start. You can not tell me our o-line has been playing like this all year, started when JC got the start. Portis was playing hurt all season. JC can throw the deep ball, his numbers aren't impressive but teams respect his deep ball.

Not knocking Betts, he is a solid back up. But he is no Portis

first off bless you..you both seemed to have come down with a cold:doh:..

anyway i agree with this qoute..if you take the 2 backs comparitavely this season..betts has about 1000 yards and 4 tds and portis has around half the yardage and almost double the TD's...while the defense is slacking the offense seems to be gaining more confidence in campbell...most, if not all our offseason moves will go towards fixing the defense so its not unrealistic that we should and perhaps will make a strong case for the division...

a big factor this season was an offensive system being place on a bunch of players that were new to eachother, it took a long time to gel and in that time the defense was on the field too much resulting in alot of injury and frustration...now that the offense is clicking the defense is exhausted...

I expect the offseason to work most the kinks out on its own:2cents:

[Cheers, Beers and Mountaineers]

I think Portis has that big play, explosive ability that Betts does not have. Betts hits the hole hard and is great between the tackles, but he will never break off a 60 yard td run that Portis can. If you swap Portis for Betts when he fumbled in St. Louis, Portis is in the endzone and we win.

Just my opinion, I respect yours. Betts is playing like a beast

you got a point, im sure portis could have taken a lot of those runs by betts to the house, not to take anything away from betts, he is outstanding in the past 5 weeks, but portis just has the speed and burst to score big.

[B.Lloyd]

On a side note, notice no one bashes Saunders now on this website. It usually takes a year for teams to adapt to his offense. Next year I expect the offense to be top ten, maybe even top 5. Defense will probably be like 25 or lower if the defensive staff is kept. Coaching will be the killer with Gibbs weak decision making at crucial times in games. This team could totally turn around, just look at the Jets; anything can happen.

[S21Taylor]

On a side note, notice no one bashes Saunders now on this website. It usually takes a year for teams to adapt to his offense. Next year I expect the offense to be top ten, maybe even top 5. Defense will probably be like 25 or lower if the defensive staff is kept. Coaching will be the killer with Gibbs weak decision making at crucial times in games. This team could totally turn around, just look at the Jets; anything can happen.

Saunders offense usually goes into full effect in 3 years from what I heard. But next year I expect a big improvement. Portis = the next scoring champ

[Uno Boss]

All homerism aside I would say thats about right....:applause:


It looks like we will add a few key pieces on D that should help....



even with a bad D...

We Beat up on some good teams this year.....

Jax
Carolina
Dallas
Philly
New Orleans



We lost 5 games by 3 points or less....

The only games we completely tanked were NY and the first philly game...I put those on The Offensive struggles we had then.....


I think our O can play with anybody when we get redzone production...and having campbell get the reps in the off season and a healthy portis will be big....



The Giants will have a new Coach to adapt to and no Tiki Barber...

Any less than a Superbowl in Dallas this year will cause that team to explode...:applause: :laugh:


The Eagles are on a high right now ....But we dominated them totally few weeks ago and should have won with better coaching moves...


Barring any 360 turn arounds like New Orleans this year... our schedule right now looks a little easier next season...

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

Pop Quiz:

Which NFL franchise has one of the most historic backgrounds, a Hall of Fame coach, Several Hall of Fame players, and still has the dumbest and most fickle and short sighted fans in the league?

Portis is a BEAST!

How dare you talk of trading away this...:doh::doh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29rXo44UbnM


your profile says it alll!!!!! :notworthy

[Bostic Hog]

The SI article in question also says that the offense will get to page 80 next year. You know, that 700 page playbook.

[COOLeyCatchTds]

. Next year I expect the offense to be top ten, maybe even top 5. Defense will probably be like 25 or lower if the defensive staff is kept.


:laugh: Keep smokin that ****, you silly goose! We've shown we can run the ball but Campbell has been average at best and I wouldnt go betting the house that he turns into a probowler over the offseason.

Great idea, lets bring in another coach so we have to learn a new system all over again. :doh: How 'bout NOT! I imagine you want to bring in a big name CB along with a big name DE along with a big name MLB.....because we all know that has worked so well for us in the past.

Im ready for some consistancy. Keep all the coaches and all the current players and give these guys a chance for some chemistry through consistancy. Then draft, draft, draft.

I am so damn tired of hearing "bring in this FA" or "fire this coach" or "cut this guy". As bad as Holdman has been, I say keep his ass for depth. This team needs consistancy.

[Mackdaddydean]

I think Portis has that big play, explosive ability that Betts does not have. Betts hits the hole hard and is great between the tackles, but he will never break off a 60 yard td run that Portis can. If you swap Portis for Betts when he fumbled in St. Louis, Portis is in the endzone and we win.

Just my opinion, I respect yours. Betts is playing like a beast

I'm sorry but I'd rather have a back that picks up 8-10 yards it seems like every time he takes the ball up the middle over someone with "big play ability". We have been able to drive the ball 80-90 yrds with easy while he's been back there and its because he picks up 10 yards after 10 yards. Portis has NEVER done that for us. At least not consistently the way Betts has for the last 5 games.

[S21Taylor]

I'm sorry but I'd rather have a back that picks up 8-10 yards it seems like every time he takes the ball up the middle over someone with "big play ability". We have been able to drive the ball 80-90 yrds with easy while he's been back there and its because he picks up 10 yards after 10 yards. Portis has NEVER done that for us. At least not consistently the way Betts has for the last 5 games.

I think CP would match Betts' production plus break big runs if he was behind our o-line right now. The running lanes these guys are providing is just insane. CP is very difficult to tackle once he gets 8 yards pass the line. He really does have great vision and elusiveness Betts does not have.

Taking nothing away from Betts who has been great

I am bias towards CP, I think he can be the 2nd best back in the league if our passing game starts clicking

[thelarkascend1ng]

all other facts and what not aside, by the numbers it took saunders a year to get his offense running the way we were used to seeing it in KC year in and year out.

i'm pretty excited. :)

hopefully the defense figures itself out, and hopefully everybody gets some good rest and we fix what we need to.

i'm optimistic.

[budski]

As a fan and not really into stats, etc etc etc, I always expect the best "next year".
Forget the glory years, next year 2007 will the redskins year for a superbowl.

[nowikonik]

waaaayyyyy to early to predict, however the core group of players are strong and who knows? perhaps we may clinch the division. most of the losses this year have been close. and Jason Campbell is awesome. i just wish we sent him in earlier...HAIL TO THE SKINS!

[FrFan]

It's going to take more than a year to win the NFC East, the road is long very long.

[E-Dog Night]

We're gonna have to have a wholesale on the defensive staff before we are going to be in contention.

What's a wholesale? Is that where the sell wholes?

[Buck812]

The NFC East is upside down to what I though it would be this year. No reason it cant flip flop again.....Predictions this early are impossible though.

[jeronimobrat]

All jokes aside- this team is just inconsistent in every unimaginable way. I really hope that GW takes that $1 million and jettisons his way out of town. It's time to give Greg Blatche a chance!

As far as the offense is concerned, it may be one of our luminous spots on the team next season. But, I am not anticipating anything about this team anymore! In fact, I have already begun focusing on my career rather than these miserable bums :laugh:

[ldysknzfn1]

What's a wholesale? Is that where the sell wholes?

:laugh: Yeah..thats it...I think that poster meant to clean house on defense w/wholesale prices...dump ppl of little value...etc..but I like your interpretation better..:silly:
I don't know if it will be that big of a turnaround over the offseason..but I certainly hope so. I think the offense is pretty much set..the D needs some work and I'm sure Gibbs & co. will get it figured out w/o too much damage.
Hail!

[bpoch]

funny, because his replacement has done nothing but put up the best 5 game stretch in franchise history. and the offense has been better.

And still only manage to win 1 game.

[robotfire]

But I think the skins are going to the super bowl every year like most of us skins fansHAHAHAHA! I TOTALLY agreed with your entire post, and then I read that one... I agree again!

[stwasm]

In the new print edition of Sports Illustrated (the one with LT on the cover), there's already a section predicting outcomes of 2007 and it predicts the Redskins to win the NFC East next season.

The article was kind of lighthearted so take it with a grain of salt if you read it. I looked on the Web site but couldn't find it there.

Boy, April 1 got here pretty quickly. It seems like just yesterday I was celebrating Christmas.

[robotfire]

now that the offense is clicking the defense is exhausted...That defense was exhausted before it started, unfortunately...

[Thanos]

When will Redskins fans begin living in the present?

[DCMONEY]

I'd over haul this defense Period. Sean Taylor, Griffin and Washington I'd keep and the rest of them would have to go to me. The Skins admin staff has proven time and time again that they can't evaluate. This has been going on for almost a decade now. They need a GM period!

As far as Portis goes. I really think that defenses aren't putting 8 and 9 people in the box because they know Campbell will at least take a shot down field. This allows running room off the break. Espcially on 1st and 2nd downs. Campbell has played well too. He makes defenses at least back their safeties off.

I find it as no surprise that a seceret player says that Williams is arrogant. I said that 2 years ago.

[E-Dog Night]

I'd over haul this defense Period. Sean Taylor, Griffin and Washington I'd keep and the rest of them would have to go to me.

That's it! Get rid of huge portions of the roster and bring in a bunch of new guys! Because hey - that's worked so well in the past.

[Riggo#44]

When will Redskins fans begin living in the present?

When it comes to the present for Skins fans, Marlon Brando said it best:

"The horror...the horror..."

[laxpck]

I think that not tie-ing Betts success to Campbell is very short sighted.

Campbell throws the deep middle route. Brunell didnt. Safeties have to back up. They could roll up with Brunell in the backfield.

I like Betts, but he has showed this season why he is a career backup....coughing up the ball in the worst possible times. Lost us two games outright (TB and Rams). Plus his breakaway speed reminds me of Stephen Davis. Portis is like LT or Moss when in open field, just accelerates away from everyone

[clubisyohankovic]

not that outlandish...

these days, to go from 6-10 to 10-6 and then back again is not that unusual. parity/lack of depth... i wouldn't be shocked at all if the redskins were to win the east next year. there are only a few teams that have been consistently good for the past 5 years (colts, patriots, anyone else?)

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Anyone who thinks it's impossible or unlikely should look at Philly...they are about to win the East after being 6-10 last year (and 5-6 earlier this year). Also, this time last year New Orleans was horrible and had an entirely different staff and cast of players!

Every year is a new one, and there's no reason to believe we can't be a team that gets the breaks and plays well once 2007 begins.

[#1njskinsfan]

who wrote it? peter king? hahahha

[trez]

I think Portis has that big play, explosive ability that Betts does not have. Betts hits the hole hard and is great between the tackles, but he will never break off a 60 yard td run that Portis can. If you swap Portis for Betts when he fumbled in St. Louis, Portis is in the endzone and we win.

Just my opinion, I respect yours. Betts is playing like a beast


How many sixty yard runs did Clinton break this year? How many since he's been a redskin? I think its naive to think that all of Betts 10 yard runs would be 60 runs for Clinton...they're different runners. Betts hits the hole a lot quicker. there's no guarantee that same hole would be there at all by the time Clinton hit the line. Also, Betts never tries to bounce it outside or hit a different hole. Some of Clinton's longer runs came when he bounced it outside. Just my :2cents:

[Drunken Master III]

why is this so unbelievable... I believe it

[bmw2301]

Our team is far from shambles. Our offense is finally starting to click. Campbell is only going to get better over the offseason. RB corp is very strong, WR's are strong (still undecided about Lloyd). Cooley speaks for himself at TE.... OL is solid, could sure a little more depth......Now I agree the defense has some work to do, but it definitely does not mean we need a D coaching staff. We have a terrific Defensive mind in Gregg Williams and would be crazy to let him go. We need some more playmakers to help his blitz packages. For example a very strong LB (maybe Lance Briggs) we need another solid CB to help Rogers and Springs out. We preferably need a young corner to eventually take over for Springs. I'm kinda thinking cutting Adam Arch is probably the best move. he really doesnt fit the scheme. We can without a doubt fix our needs with free agency and a solid well thought out 1st round pick. I am not sure what other picks we have but I'm thinking we dont have one again until the 4th.....Either way I like our chances next year as long as we keep the same offensive players together to study that 700 page playbook, and we make quality Defensive pickups and have a good draft. GO SKINS............

JASON CAMPBELL FOR MVP IN 2007

[Uno Boss]

How many sixty yard runs did Clinton break this year? How many since he's been a redskin? I think its naive to think that all of Betts 10 yard runs would be 60 runs for Clinton...they're different runners. Betts hits the hole a lot quicker. there's no guarantee that same hole would be there at all by the time Clinton hit the line. Also, Betts never tries to bounce it outside or hit a different hole. Some of Clinton's longer runs came when he bounced it outside. Just my :2cents:


He has not had a 60 yd 'run' this year.... but he had a

74 yard shovel pass ..

30 yard draw for a TD

34 yard run against Indy

38 yard run for a TD against Dallas


In 2005

41 yard run against chicago
31 yard run against Tampa
47 yard TD agains the Rams
23 yard run against ARI
22 yard TD against Eagles




in 2004

64 yard TD against Tampa (his first touch as a redskins)




In between all of those there are atleast 35+ runs of ten yards or more...

[Warpath81]

In the new print edition of Sports Illustrated (the one with LT on the cover), there's already a section predicting outcomes of 2007 and it predicts the Redskins to win the NFC East next season.

The article was kind of lighthearted so take it with a grain of salt if you read it. I looked on the Web site but couldn't find it there.

It also says that Gibbs leaves and goes back to NASCAR following next season.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

He has not had a 60 yd 'run' this year.... but he had a

74 yard shovel pass for a TD..



Not to nitpick, but he was caught from behind on the shovel pass vs. Houston and did not score. We scored on a Betts TD later on that drive I believe.

[Aghar]

Again I see comments on how our offense seems so exciting now and explosive. Why exactly? How are we comparable to the KC team where Saunders had a #1 Offense? I see mention constantly of a deep threat but unless I am wrong, save a few intermediate completed passes for long yardage where are the results? I know JC will progress with time but I am beginning to get aggravated with all the people here saying we are lighting it up on offense! I realize we have been forced into watching mediocrity for a few seasons now on offense but if this is what a "high-powered" offense will look like next season, I'm already scared! -20 points in every game (some against terrible defenses) and one decent performace on Offense against a team with a weak defense since our young QB starting lighting the world on fire. :2cents:

Summary:
Offense is OK.
Defense is Not Good.
Team = Fair = Not a division winner unless major improvements are made on both sides of the ball. Not necessarily personnel, but improvements nonetheless.

[SkinsFanMania]

Your wrong cause Portis was on the IR when Campbell made his first start. You can not tell me our o-line has been playing like this all year, started when JC got the start. Portis was playing hurt all season. JC can throw the deep ball, his numbers aren't impressive but teams respect his deep ball.

Not knocking Betts, he is a solid back up. But he is no Portis

Actually Portis was injured in the Philadelphia game, which was Brunell's final game.

[cougarskins]

Synopsis of a losing year. SI may have missed these.

Brunell remained too long at starting QB. IMHO
Injuries to Portis, Prilioux, and Springs.
New offensive co-ordinator not in sync with Gibbs.
Questionable time management.
Ultra-conservative play calling in critical situations. IMHO
Free agent bust Arch.
Lloyd's struggles and attitude.
New QB growing pains.
?Defense tuning out Williams?
Weak pass coverage.
Tough schedule.
No turnovers. Fumbles or interceptions.
Very little luck.
Early overconfidence.
Preseason fiasco.
Training camp.
Defense secondary compromised.
Previous offensive minded head coach being a delegator. IMHO
Lack early in season of team identity.
Rare sacking of opponents QB.
Off season by Taylor.
Front office personell decisions.
Early loss of team defensive chemistry.
New players trying to find role on team.

Add that to:
Few draft picks for next year.
Restructuring of Core Redskins contracts needed.


These are probably a FEW reasons the season went south. The most optimism I can express for next year is something is due to go right. Of course in the NFL things can turn around quickly. I hope this year was the rebuilding year and next year we get on a roll early. There are a lot of positives that came out with Campbell, Betts and offensive line. I don't necessarily need a Super Bowl season next year but I want the real Joe Gibbs Redskins to show up.:point2sky

P.S. I am still an ultimate homer, but my burgundy and gold glasses need to be a deeper tint.

[FunBunch7]

Yeah right...this team is in shambles...particularly the defense. We're gonna have to have a wholesale on the defensive staff before we are going to be in contention.

The 3-13 Saint were in "shambles" a last season and were 5 years away from contending...

The NY Jets were only going to win 3 games this season and be in the Brady Quinn sweep stakes...

The Steelers were the defending Superr Bowl Champions and were going to be even better this time around...

My point is......

We are as close to a Super Bowl as were ever were the last couple seasons...and as far away too! Every single year, teams flip flop...and on average 6 of the 12 teams make it back to the post season...it may be 5 this year.

We can go out in free agency and shore up our secondary...we can get a veteran QB behind JC if Brunell doesn't return...we can give Lloyde his walking papers and go get another #2 WR...we can pick up where we left off a year ago and maybe this time we'll get it right...maybe not...but the free agents to make an impact ARE out there...it's just a matter of pin pointing which ones they are.

WE could play the Taxans in the Super Bowl next year...who the heck knows?

[Bostic Hog]

Again I see comments on how our offense seems so exciting now and explosive. Why exactly? How are we comparable to the KC team where Saunders had a #1 Offense? I see mention constantly of a deep threat but unless I am wrong, save a few intermediate completed passes for long yardage where are the results? I know JC will progress with time but I am beginning to get aggravated with all the people here saying we are lighting it up on offense! I realize we have been forced into watching mediocrity for a few seasons now on offense but if this is what a "high-powered" offense will look like next season, I'm already scared! -20 points in every game (some against terrible defenses) and one decent performace on Offense against a team with a weak defense since our young QB starting lighting the world on fire. :2cents:



You must have missed the long pass to Lloyd on the reverse by Randle El --- that was our deep threat against the Eagles :( Next year, Super Bowl is in the new Arizona stadium. Miami is overrated in February anyway :)

[deejaydana]

This is also the magazine that employs "Dr. Z." the most senile kook-prognosticator in all of sports.

[E-Dog Night]

This is also the magazine that employs "Dr. Z." the most senile kook-prognosticator in all of sports.

The Washington City Paper employs Dr. Z? That's news to me.

[Uno Boss]

Again I see comments on how our offense seems so exciting now and explosive. Why exactly? How are we comparable to the KC team where Saunders had a #1 Offense? I see mention constantly of a deep threat but unless I am wrong, save a few intermediate completed passes for long yardage where are the results? I know JC will progress with time but I am beginning to get aggravated with all the people here saying we are lighting it up on offense! I realize we have been forced into watching mediocrity for a few seasons now on offense but if this is what a "high-powered" offense will look like next season, I'm already scared! -20 points in every game (some against terrible defenses) and one decent performace on Offense against a team with a weak defense since our young QB starting lighting the world on fire. :2cents:
.

I think some are being blinded by that lack of red zone production....

But this o has been moving the ball with ease....


I always said that the production in the red zone would come if we continue to get there...

The last 4 weeks we have been 3rd in total yds per game

behind New Orleans and Indy

371 yds per game the last 4

With a fresh young QB and back up tailback thats impressive ....

The rushing game is 2nd in the NFC and 4th over all through 15 games....


If you take away micheal vicks scrambling we are # 1 in the NFC in rushing this season

If thats not flashes and potential then i dont know what is...:notworthy:notworthy:cheers:

[professor21]

funny, because his replacement has done nothing but put up the best 5 game stretch in franchise history. and the offense has been better.

yeh, only because campbell stepped to the plate and other teams defense have to respect the deep threat unlike with brunell's dinks and dunks, which opens up running lanes. imagine if PORTIS were playing with campbell at QB. instead of a Betts 1st down Portis would take it to the HOUSE. think about it.

[professor21]

Actually Portis was injured in the Philadelphia game, which was Brunell's final game.

in actuallity Portis injured his shoulder in one of the pre-season games, but played with an injured shoulder until he broke his hand in the eagles game. oh and he never played with JC at QB, he played with brunell.

[shagman]

If we are better than this year Ill be happy. Although NFC East would be nice, I would take beating Dallas twice.

[str8jacket]

Thats a great thought and hopefully that will happen. But i kind of wish the hype would disappear for a year. I think we would do better without it.

[Aghar]

I think some are being blinded by that lack of red zone production....

But this o has been moving the ball with ease....


I always said that the production in the red zone would come if we continue to get there...

The last 4 weeks we have been 3rd in total yds per game

behind New Orleans and Indy

371 yds per game the last 4

With a fresh young QB and back up tailback thats impressive ....

The rushing game is 2nd in the NFC and 4th over all through 15 games....


If you take away micheal vicks scrambling we are # 1 in the NFC in rushing this season

If thats not flashes and potential then i dont know what is...:notworthy:notworthy:cheers:


I'm not doubting our ability to run up big yards. My question is how do people really believe we have "all of a sudden" become this deep attacking offensive threat? It simply doesn't exist yet. I'm not saying it never will, just that I haven't seen it. You can't make me believe that opposing coaches are afraid of our deep pass attack when our QB completes less than 50% of his passes and averages -200 yards a game and then worries about our running attack second. No way. If the Coughlin is 1/10th the coach people said he was 2-3 years ago then the Giants will stuff the run and make our QB beat them because they should be afraid of us running for 150+ on them, not showering them with 40+ yards bombs from the air. Although I would love to see it! :cheers:

[skinfan2k]

If we are better than this year Ill be happy. Although NFC East would be nice, I would take beating Dallas twice.

why do some of you fans think like this? :mad:

[kwitt]

There is so much parity in the NFL today that nothing should be a big surprise.

[Vi]

It's nice to dream isn't it? I just can't stop believing that maybe next year will be our year. :)

Hail.

[Uno Boss]

I'm not doubting our ability to run up big yards. My question is how do people really believe we have "all of a sudden" become this deep attacking offensive threat? It simply doesn't exist yet. I'm not saying it never will, just that I haven't seen it. You can't make me believe that opposing coaches are afraid of our deep pass attack when our QB completes less than 50% of his passes and averages -200 yards a game and then worries about our running attack second. No way. If the Coughlin is 1/10th the coach people said he was 2-3 years ago then the Giants will stuff the run and make our QB beat them because they should be afraid of us running for 150+ on them, not showering them with 40+ yards bombs from the air. Although I would love to see it! :cheers:

When in his first six games that young QB has thrown the ball down field on a regular and has hit bombs for a TD of 42, 31, and 34 yards...

as well as completions of 19 & 20 yards on the same drive along with other Deep in patterns that resulted in long catch and run plays...


That is a threat.....




I also think that people mistaked saunders offense for the run and shoot or the spurrier chuck and duck offense....just because he racked up alot of yards in KC....


Because you put up plenty of yards dont mean you go deep all the time..

The way we have mixed the run with deep passes, and gained huge 15-20 yard chunks in between on draws,screens and reverses is what i always saw in KC...


I think some people had the wrong idea of what this O was supposed to be.....he had almost 2300 yards rushing the last 5 years in KC and now washington.....so it has always been a balanced attack...

[Major Harris]

yeh, only because campbell stepped to the plate and other teams defense have to respect the deep threat unlike with brunell's dinks and dunks, which opens up running lanes. imagine if PORTIS were playing with campbell at QB. instead of a Betts 1st down Portis would take it to the HOUSE. think about it.
i can think about it.

but when i think about it, i realistically take into account how much faster betts hits the hole. always north and south.

[Major Harris]

And still only manage to win 1 game.


well ya' got me. if portis is in there, we don't give up 37 to the rams. :doh:

[Uno Boss]

well ya' got me. if portis is in there, we don't give up 37 to the rams. :doh:

You are right


We dont give up 37 with portis...
we give up 31 and win 38-31 in regulation....:notworthy

[Trillskinsfan]

Wouldn't suprise me if the skins won the division next year, in fact I expect them to win the division. Our defense is bad because of GW, if he fixes his schemes for next year we can have a top defense that will be upgraded through the draft and FA. I don't think anyone realizes how much it hurts to not have Portis in the backfield, he totally changes our offense. Campbell should develop and build a level of comfort with our WRs in the offseason. :dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck


it isnt the scheme its the players
why elese would ST lead the team in tackle:doh:

[skinny21]

you got a point, im sure portis could have taken a lot of those runs by betts to the house, not to take anything away from betts, he is outstanding in the past 5 weeks, but portis just has the speed and burst to score big.

I would argue the same point but change "speed and burst" to agility and balance, and maybe add vision for good measure. Betts has been playing great though, it's fun to see him eat up those big chunks of yards.

[Chick_in_B&G]

it isnt the scheme its the players
why elese would ST lead the team in tackle:doh:

Yeah, it's mostly the lack of talent we have on the defensive side of the ball and the fact that 6 of 11 starters are 30 or older. Of course, that doesn't mean GW is an angel. Offenses have figured out his schemes and he and Lindsey need to learn how to swallow their egos. The whole philosophy that you can just plug any players into his scheme and make it click is rediculous. It's the PLAYERS on the field that make or break the scheme.

As for the prediction, I'm glad to hear it, but it doesn't mean anything.

[skinny21]

Not to nitpick, but he was caught from behind on the shovel pass vs. Houston and did not score. We scored on a Betts TD later on that drive I believe.

Actually, Lloyd drove Robinson down the field in front of portis. Portis tried a little too hard to juke behind Lloyd and Robinson slipped off the block for a tackle. Good blocking by Lloyd (drove Robinson back a good 30 or so yards) and good tackle by Robinson (blocked that far back and still makes an openfield tackle on one of the most elusive backs in the league).

[skinny21]

why do some of you fans think like this? :mad:

Tempering of expectations and hatred of Dallas.

[wysknz1]

[QUOTE=#53QBKiller]Sports Illustrated predicts the Redskins to win the NFC East next season.

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WE'RE DOOOOMMMEDD!!!!!! :anon:

[WinSkins]

funny, because his replacement has done nothing but put up the best 5 game stretch in franchise history. and the offense has been better.

Unfortunately the only statistic that matters in the end is wins and losses. The rest is just noise. I admit it was fun watching LB run for a lot of yards, but folks in my section and I agreed CP would have scored on at least 10 separate runs this year when LB couldn't/didn't break free.
LB has done a good job accumulating yardage, but I'd trade it all for 4 wins and a playoff berth :2cents: .

[Aghar]

When in his first six games that young QB has thrown the ball down field on a regular and has hit bombs for a TD of 42, 31, and 34 yards...

as well as completions of 19 & 20 yards on the same drive along with other Deep in patterns that resulted in long catch and run plays...


That is a threat.....




I also think that people mistaked saunders offense for the run and shoot or the spurrier chuck and duck offense....just because he racked up alot of yards in KC....


Because you put up plenty of yards dont mean you go deep all the time..

The way we have mixed the run with deep passes, and gained huge 15-20 yard chunks in between on draws,screens and reverses is what i always saw in KC...


I think some people had the wrong idea of what this O was supposed to be.....he had almost 2300 yards rushing the last 5 years in KC and now washington.....so it has always been a balanced attack...

And I respectfully disagree. There is no doubt that JC may have the ability to strecth the field one day but this offense doesn't do it enough to be considered a deep pass threat. Saunders O is a balanced attack and that I agree 100%. 314 yards a game may be big numbers in the NFC this year the last few weeks but it isn't exactly Big Numbers by NFL standards. 3 passes for 30+ yards does not constitute a DEEP pass threat. Long YAC yards ( just like with Brunell) does not make for a DEEP pass threat. Defenses must believe that they will get burned if they put too many in the box to stop our run. I don't respect our current deep "threat" enough to let the Redskins run all over the field via Betts right now. He is clearly the engine of this offense right now. When the run has gone away from our offense on seriers of plays you cannot deny you have seen way too many 3 and outs for a deep threat type of offense.

[Major Harris]

Unfortunately the only statistic that matters in the end is wins and losses. The rest is just noise. I admit it was fun watching LB run for a lot of yards, but folks in my section and I agreed CP would have scored on at least 10 separate runs this year when LB couldn't/didn't break free.
LB has done a good job accumulating yardage, but I'd trade it all for 4 wins and a playoff berth :2cents: .
very easy to say if.

i'd agree, but i'll add another if: IF cp hits the hole as fast as lb, going north/south, he might have scored.

but i said it before, and i'll say it again: the biggest disappointment in cp that i have is his inability to beat the safety one on one.

[Major Harris]

You are right


We dont give up 37 with portis...
we give up 31 and win 38-31 in regulation....:notworthy
:laugh:

[skinfan2k]

but i said it before, and i'll say it again: the biggest disappointment in cp that i have is his inability to beat the safety one on one.


he was known in denver to beat the safety one on one on a regular basis

[Major Harris]

he was known in denver to beat the safety one on one on a regular basis


i know. and many still hold on to that. he has not done it here on any kind of consistent basis.

[skinfan2k]

i know. and many still hold on to that. he has not done it here on any kind of consistent basis.

is it more to due to zone blocking and the redskins style? maybe al saunders will get portis to regain his old form?

[lavredskin56]

anyone think the redskins are going to have one of the best offensive lines next year, pending the health i believe sports illustrated is accurate in this prediction. yes it is way to early to tell but never to early to start speculating about how nasty the skins will be:point2sky


:cheers:

[Major Harris]

is it more to due to zone blocking and the redskins style? maybe al saunders will get portis to regain his old form?

i do think our system doesn't suit portis as well as denvers. but one on one with the safety doesn't change w/ blocking schemes.

[Joe Gibbs II]

I think that we should be able to win the NFCE next year. I mean face it, every year we have high expectations we blow it.

Last year, what were our big expectations? But we came basically out of nowhere after a pathetic previous season with a shaky QB situation, and decided we would win by running and defense.

The pressure wont be on us, which will help JC and the rest of the skins

[lavredskin56]

I think that we should be able to win the NFCE next year. I mean face it, every year we have high expectations we blow it.

Last year, what were our big expectations? But we came basically out of nowhere after a pathetic previous season with a shaky QB situation, and decided we would win by running and defense.

The pressure wont be on us, which will help JC and the rest of the skinsGreat point hopefully we are expected to completley suck next year and come out of nowhere and blow everyones minds like this years saints:cheers:

shake and bake baby

[ciresolstice]

Suprising what can happen in a year or season...a superbowl champion one season can possibly be mediocre the next..and a 5-11 team could go deep into the play offs the next season...stranger things happen. Who knows. could be...most things imo point to that not happening in that short a time with alot of areas to fill on D. But it very well could happen. Who thought the Eagles would do this well after McNabb went down? other than Eagles fans(homers) not many. I guess people also forgot Garcia is a good QB when in the right offense/situation.

[pgitta]

LB has done a good job accumulating yardage, but I'd trade it all for 4 wins and a playoff berth

God. Not another "trade away our yardage" thread

http://www.rcdbase.com/skin/brujer.jpg

[BuryYourDuke]

you got a point, im sure portis could have taken a lot of those runs by betts to the house, not to take anything away from betts, he is outstanding in the past 5 weeks, but portis just has the speed and burst to score big.

I don't think it is actually the speed as much as the vision. Portis is a little faster in the open field, but he SEES the field so much better once he is there. Betts just runs until someone hits him. Portis runs where defenders are not, and when they are there he makes them whiiiiiiffffff.

[WinSkins]

very easy to say if.

i'd agree, but i'll add another if: IF cp hits the hole as fast as lb, going north/south, he might have scored.

but i said it before, and i'll say it again: the biggest disappointment in cp that i have is his inability to beat the safety one on one.

We just disagree on this point. I (and my fans group at Fedex) believe CP is better in space and you like LB in that situation.
I cheer for both LB and CP and I'm glad to see them in Burgundy and Gold!
Probably doesn't matter as much how many rushing yards we accumulate each game, if we continue to be unable to score more than 20 points per game on a consistent basis and are consistently unable to defend on 3rd and 15 situations.
Running back is a place we don't have serious problems so we need to focus on defense...this year we can't seem to stop anyone consistently.

:gaintsuck

[NOVA2Tampa]

If you swap Portis for Betts when he fumbled in St. Louis, Portis is in the endzone and we win.


Yup...if that was Portis on that play, it would have been six...book it. :cheers:

[bleedburgundyandgold]

Yup...if that was Portis on that play, it would have been six...book it. :cheers:

absolutely right. i love ladell but no way anyone would have caught portis on that play.

[Major Harris]

We just disagree on this point. I (and my fans group at Fedex) believe CP is better in space and you like LB in that situation.
I cheer for both LB and CP and I'm glad to see them in Burgundy and Gold!
Probably doesn't matter as much how many rushing yards we accumulate each game, if we continue to be unable to score more than 20 points per game on a consistent basis and are consistently unable to defend on 3rd and 15 situations.
Running back is a place we don't have serious problems so we need to focus on defense...this year we can't seem to stop anyone consistently.

:gaintsuck


now i never said betts was better in space than portis. i'm smarter than that. i was just saying that he gets too much credit for being a home run hitter. he doesn't make the safety miss on a conistent basis.

but you're right, we need to put more than 20 points on the board, and we need to improve the defense. :cheers:

[Brotherz]

Well, Geez, I agree with everyone, NO WAY a team that is gonna be 6-10 can contend for the very tough NFC East! C'mon! I am as down right now as the next guy but the eagles were 6-10 last year and they will win the east this year with Donovan in the pressbox for the majority fo the season!! Also, the eagles, the big winners of the amazing NFC east has beaten 1 team with a winning record this year! 1 TEAM!! The COwboys (who we even beat!!). We can't compete for the East next year? With a healthy clinton portis? an entire off-season of Cambpell at starter? If we re-sign dockery? Add Gaines Adams, Sign clements or Samuel at Corner? Another year in what was this year a brand new offense? Im not saying we WILL win but in THIS league, and in THIS division!! Nobody is not in contention for this division next year!! Nobody!! The division winner hasn't beaten ANYBODY and was 6-10 last year using their second string QB after a first round draft pick bust in ROderick Bunkley. The COwboys are in shambles, the Giants I believe have more serious problems than we do! Guys, its awfully bad to be a skins fan this year. If we don't start acting smarter in the offseason our woes will continue but we don't need half a decade to become competitive with the East!! Don't make this worse than it is fellas. HAIL!! :eaglesuck

[WeThreeKingsRuleU]

Does anybody know if Pierson Prealou will be back next year? I know he has some rehabbing to do, but thats a player we don't have to draft or sign out of FA that if he's healthy by start of season net year could really help out our D, just wondering, he was a pretty good saftey from what I remember