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[memrc]

I read somewhere the reason why we give up so many big plays is because we play a cover 2 D a lot of times where the corners have to jam the WR at the line and the safeties play the sides of the field. When Springs is out we dont have a talented enough corner to jam the WR so thats why we give up so many big plays over the middle of the field. So basically its not really the Safeties (Adam Archuleta) fault :mad: we give up so many damn big plays!:mad: MAKE SINCE TO ME!

Has anybody else read this?

[Cooley4President]

Well, if you believe the article from ESPN.com by Tom Friend, alot of the problems come from the coaching in the defensive backfield. For one, the article said that the corners and safeties do not meet together, so they're never on the same page. Also, the article said that Gregg Williams is trying to have his safeties coached to be better run stoppers so he can have a "best of both worlds" defense: a cover 2 that can stop the run. However, this has resulted in our safeties biting on play actions alot and being out of position, thus enabling receivers (and even TEs) to get behind us and giving up big plays.

Oh yeah, and our tackling stinks out loud.

[dgreen]

I read somewhere the reason why we give up so many big plays is because we play a cover 2 D a lot of times...
Compare that comment with what we hear about the offense. We hear the offense can't make big plays because so many teams play a Cover 2 against us. That, along with with what you are hearing, don't fit together.

The Cover 2 is supposed to limit big plays. Our main problem is pass rush. While Andre Carter is improving, there is no single defender that scares an opposing OL in pass rush. That leaves you with blitzing. The blitzes are obvious and lack creativity.

[Snagletooth]

I see a lot of big plays where the safety and corner bite on a double move.

[pjfootballer]

I hate the cover 2. What in the hell made Williams think these players could play that style of D? We were a top 10 D until he started with that cover 2 crap. We are not built for that with the players we have. We need to stop copying the TB's and Chicago's and just play OUR style of D. Eff the cover 2.

[RedskinzOwnU]

It's gotta be hard to jam the receivers when your corners are playing 10 yards off the line of scrimmage.

[Cooley4President]

I hate the cover 2. What in the hell made Williams think these players could play that style of D? We were a top 10 D until he started with that cover 2 crap. We are not built for that with the players we have. We need to stop copying the TB's and Chicago's and just play OUR style of D. Eff the cover 2.

Most teams in the league play a cover 2, the only difference is they don't have a coordinator who's cocky enough to believe he's the only one bright enough to concoct a scheme for the perfect defense which, in turn, takes his safeties out of the play all of the time. I say we stick with a cover 2 scheme, just don't let the safeties take so many chances in coming up to support the run. That of course would mean we'd need to be able to stop the run at the D-line or LB level, which is an entirely different can of worms.....

[supadrummer]

Face it! The players we released this past off season hurt us. Players like Stoumire and Ryan Clark leaving left a big hole. He tried to sign Arch to cover this up and it was like putting a baby bandaid on a Gapping cut. Greg williams made a bad joice pure and simple. This defense doesn't have any heart. Case and point: the last play of the Ram Vs 'Skins game the rams ran right up the middle for a 21 yard score.


I don't think the players believe in the scheme anymore. So now What's next?

[pjfootballer]

Most teams in the league play a cover 2, the only difference is they don't have a coordinator who's cocky enough to believe he's the only one bright enough to concoct a scheme for the perfect defense which, in turn, takes his safeties out of the play all of the time. I say we stick with a cover 2 scheme, just don't let the safeties take so many chances in coming up to support the run. That of course would mean we'd need to be able to stop the run at the D-line or LB level, which is an entirely different can of worms.....

That's why I say scrap the cover 2. We don't have great LB's like TB or Chi, we don't have a pass rush like TB or Chi. Why continue to run a defense without the right personnel. It's like switching to a 3-4 when we don't have the personnel for it. I don't want to stick with the scheme. Our players hate it and can't play it and it does nothing but expose us to big plays.

[Cooley4President]

That's why I say scrap the cover 2. We don't have great LB's like TB or Chi, we don't have a pass rush like TB or Chi. Why continue to run a defense without the right personnel. It's like switching to a 3-4 when we don't have the personnel for it. I don't want to stick with the scheme. Our players hate it and can't play it and it does nothing but expose us to big plays.

I agree that as we stand right now we're not a team best built for the cover 2. But I have to think that next year if we trot out Rocky, Washington, and Marshall they'll be good enough to handle a cover 2 scheme. I know Marshall has taken a step back this year, but when he's healthy he's a solid MLB and actually can help as a middle of the field cover guy because of his past experience as a safety in college.

[memrc]

That's why I say scrap the cover 2. We don't have great LB's like TB or Chi, we don't have a pass rush like TB or Chi. Why continue to run a defense without the right personnel. It's like switching to a 3-4 when we don't have the personnel for it. I don't want to stick with the scheme. Our players hate it and can't play it and it does nothing but expose us to big plays.

So what is our D suppose to play...? We are a 4-3 D and thats perfect for a cover 2. When Pierson prioleau went down our D went down with him!

[Darth Tater]

I hate the cover 2. What in the hell made Williams think these players could play that style of D? We were a top 10 D until he started with that cover 2 crap. We are not built for that with the players we have. We need to stop copying the TB's and Chicago's and just play OUR style of D. Eff the cover 2.

Use of c-2 in 2004 and 2005. We were a top-10 D using c-2 shells.

[Bang]

Considering I constantly see Carlos Rogers giving a 15 yard cushion i find it hard to believe we're running a true cover 2 this year in the first place.
Couple that with the DB coaching circus we read about in the Tom Friend article, and I'd say we've got a problem even knowing what we're doing in pass coverage.

~Bang

[Fifty Gut]

teams are hurting Taylor cause he's always looking to help out in run D

with his need to peak in the backfield all the time because we can't stop the run with our front 7, teams are taking advantage of that

[Darth Tater]

Considering I constantly see Carlos Rogers giving a 15 yard cushion i find it hard to believe we're running a true cover 2 this year in the first place.
Couple that with the DB coaching circus we read about in the Tom Friend article, and I'd say we've got a problem even knowing what we're doing in pass coverage.

~Bang
A C-2 shell refers only to the play of the safeties. Depending on down, distance, the offense we're facing and the overall call, the play of our CBs and LBs will vary greatly. Giving the cushion is a call in a C-2 shell which we're using more often this year because of injury, lack of pressure and less than stellar safety play.

[memrc]

A C-2 shell refers only to the play of the safeties. Depending on down, distance, the offense we're facing and the overall call, the play of our CBs and LBs will vary greatly. Giving the cushion is a call in a C-2 shell which we're using more often this year because of injury, lack of pressure and less than stellar safety play.

Thanks for that because I had no idea what a C-2 shell was...?:(