Which Def Coordinator has run the worst Defense in Skins history?

[DCMONEY]

Which Defense has been worse?

Ron Lynn 1996

Gerorge Edwards 2003

Greg Williams 2006

Other

[DCMONEY]

Which Def Coordinator has been worse?

[DCMONEY]

Who's Worse

I never thought it could get worse than Lynn or Edwards

[DieHard86]

Jason Campbell and Ladell Betts went 2-5. With an average defense, they would have gone 5-2. Greg Williams needs to take a long look in the mirror.

[Warhead36]

This year's D might be the worse. We couldn't do anything right. No pass rush, no run D, no takeaways, terrible penalties. The whole shebangabang.

[redsand521]

ONLY 12 takeaways this season. THE worst in NFL history.

This defense this year has to rank high on that list.

[DCMONEY]

I accidently posted this thread twice. There's another with an actual poll

[DCMONEY]

ONLY 12 takeaways this season. THE worst in NFL history.

This defense this year has to rank high on that list.

I agree

[redskin mark]

Can't tackle, can't play coverage, I blame the Ass. Head Coach Mr. Williams. Way to go coach!!!

[Dirk Diggler]

What's your point? Did Ron Lynn or George Edwards coordinate our defense to a top 10 season? Ever? Do they even still work in the NFL? I know GW will be next season no matter what happens.

[killadingo]

Don't forget Mike Nolan

[cozmikbuffalo]

We have had a lot of injuries this year in key positions . This is no excuse don't get me wrong the tackling by this team was embarrasing to say the least . If we tackled a little better than we have this year we would be 9-7 and living to play another day . Hey Greg Williams you can come back next year , but , if this defense doesn't improve tremendosly don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out !! I hope we don't become KC like in that our offense puts up big numbers but the D can't find it's way out of a paper bag !

Coz

[orneryone2]

What about Mike Nolan?

[Bryan81]

I think the 12 take aways pretty much says it all as far as how bad this defense was.

[SkinsFTW]

This will be the first Redskins defense to be ranked 30th or worse. Then figure in the bottom in league history in sacks and turnovers and yeah it's got to be our worst ever.

[scruffylookin]

Well let's take a look at the worst Redskin Ds since 1970

The contenders:

1988 Redskins

Allowed 24.2 points a game
324 yards a game
5.28 yards per play
43 sacks (12.6 per att)
forced 22 turnovers (0 def TD)

1993 Redskins

Allowed 21.6 points a game
343.7 yards a game
5.35 yards per play
31 sacks (16.6 per att)
31 turnovers (4 def TDs)

1994 Redskins

25.8 points a game
350.6 yards a game
5.19 yards per play
28 sacks (18.8 per att)
23 turnovers forced (5 def TDs)

1995 Redskins

22.4 points a game
337.5 yards a game
5.10 yards per play
30 sacks (19.2 per att)
34 turnovers forced (3 def TDs)

1996 Redskins

19.5 points a game
357.7 yards a game
5.14 yards per play
34 sacks (17.5 per att)
30 turnovers forced (1 def TD)

1998 Redskins

26.3 points a game
334.6 yards a game
5.07 yards per play
33 sacks (15.9 per att)
21 turnovers forced (0 def TD)

1999 Redskins

23.6 points a game
356.6 yards a game
5.34 yards per play
40 sacks (15.7 per att)
37 turnovers forced (4 def TD)

2003 Redskins

23.3 points a game
338.3 yards a game
5.34 yards per play
27 sacks (18.9 per att)
30 turnovers forced (0 def TD)

2006 Redskins

23.5 points a game
353.3 yards a game
5.67 yards per play
20 sacks (25.4 per att)
12 turnovers forced (0 def TD)

Gregg Williams' group is right there when it comes to points and yards but where he takes the lead and hands down earns the title of worst Redskin defense since the days of Sonny is in the atrocious 5.67 yards per play. That is just awful. Anything above a 5 is bad, but this defense has set a standard that is not even close to being matched. But on top of it is the fact that this D was not a playmaking D. Could not get to the passer. Awful pct of 1 sack every 25 times a QB drops back to pass and of course they have now set the NFL record for fewest turnovers forced in a 16 game season.

Hands down, without question. The 2006 defense is the worst Redskin defense in at least 40 years.

All that said, GW is a better coordinator than Lynn, Nolan and Edwards combined. As you can see, the 88 D stunk too and the legendary Richie Petitbon was able to right the ship. I hope Williams can do the same.

[Merlin Emrys]

I would have voted for Mike Nolan. At least this D showed a few signs of hope.

[SkinsFTW]

What about Mike Nolan?

At least his defenses had turnovers and sacks. 1999s defense has more than 3 times as many turnovers and 2x as many sacks. We would have made the playoffs with that this season easily.

GW's defense was never big on turnovers and sacks the past 2 seasons but this year was just about the worst ever Redskins defense in any area. They were good at nothing and very very bad at just about everything.

[SCredskinsfan70]

Don't forget Mike Nolan

Right after Lynn, this was my first thought.

[The Full Monty]

This will be the first Redskins defense to be ranked 30th or worse. Then figure in the bottom in league history in sacks and turnovers and yeah it's got to be our worst ever.
This year was the worst. All those highly paid assistants with all that talent - who the hell was on that 2003 defense? Bernard Holsey? Lionel Dalton? Bruce Smith? Armstead? Ohalete?

Bailey, Smoot, Arrington, that was it for 2003. We had 3 players on defense and a horrible set of coaches. That's what you get.

But with this staff and our personnel we should not be setting records in futility.

[str8jacket]

I was thinking Mike Nolan too, but yeah that takeaway stat, as well as plenty of others from this year are just well, horrible.

[Vladimir L]

Mike Nolan

[SkinsFanAnt]

GW's defense was never big on turnovers and sacks the past 2 seasons but this year was just about the worst ever Redskins defense in any area. They were good at nothing and very very bad at just about everything.

GW's defense last year actually WAS big on turnovers and sacks. Though the stats didn't show it, those sacks and turnovers came at clutch times because of our talent. Another stat not shown is that our D held opponents to FGs much more than this year keeping us in the game.

Getting rid of our playmaker LB Lavar Arrington was absolutely critical in what happened here. Without him, none of the teams we played this year were scared of our blitz, scared of us even getting coverage sacks, while disrespecting our D so much they just started running strait at his replacement Holdman's spot on the field.

In today's Giants game he had a humongeos 2..that's right TWO tackles! That's ridiculous. Arrington would get more tackles without even trying if Tiki ran 18 times...much less the 23 carries he had tonight.

But the bottom line is that with those defensive stats after spending SO much money and throwing away SO many draft picks, which is beyond ridiculous, there is nothing wrong in all fairness to call for GW's job.

[SD Skins fan]

This years D was one of the worst I've seen in Washington (been watching the team since 1971) That said, Mike Nolen still came to mind when I saw this thread. Williams has proven himself as a top defensive coordinator and I'm sure he'll find a way to fix things. Nolen never showed that he had a clue when he was here and I was truely amazed when he got a head coaching job, although, he seems to have learned over the years because he's not doing a bad job in San Fran.

[ImmortalDragon]

What's your point? Did Ron Lynn or George Edwards coordinate our defense to a top 10 season? Ever? Do they even still work in the NFL? I know GW will be next season no matter what happens.
A "bad year" is not an excuse for this horrific attempt at a defense.

[DCMONEY]

We have had a lot of injuries this year in key positions . This is no excuse don't get me wrong the tackling by this team was embarrasing to say the least . If we tackled a little better than we have this year we would be 9-7 and living to play another day . Hey Greg Williams you can come back next year , but , if this defense doesn't improve tremendosly don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out !! I hope we don't become KC like in that our offense puts up big numbers but the D can't find it's way out of a paper bag !

Coz

The reason I give Williams a pass as far as injuries is because he was very arrogant when things were going well. He made a point to say we coach up everyone. He said we don't have starters, we have players. I was like man if someone steps up and plays well, thats fine. But to act like your system can work with anyone is stupid. Its only a matter of time before it catches up with you.

[DCMONEY]

The bad thing is I laugh whe the Skins brass talk about what may be the problem. I mean scheme doesn't mean Jac if you can't stop the run. Stopping the run must be a priority. I don't care what scheme you're in. You hae to stop the run 1st. If you can't stop the run, you can't play defense. Getting blown off the ball has the back 7 over compensating, taking bad angles, being out of postion. RB's are getting to the next level not even being touched . Its ridiculous. Its not an excuse for Sean Taylor but hell if he stays back, teams run all over them. When he cheats up he's out of postion but whats he supposed to do?

I watched that 3rd preseason game against the Jets with a raised eyebrow. Williams was like well we didn't implement our full defense. I was like what? The Jets lined up with 1 3rd string back and ran it down their throats. Nothing fancy. I knew the run defense was in trouble but I never imagined this.

[jimster]

All that said, GW is a better coordinator than Lynn, Nolan and Edwards combined. As you can see, the 88 D stunk too and the legendary Richie Petitbon was able to right the ship. I hope Williams can do the same.

The difference is all those other coordinators would at least try to put the best players on the roster on the field.

[RySkins]

When you consider yardage allowed, points allowed, the amount of turnovers forced and the number of sacks, this defense may be the worst in NFL history, much less Redskins history.

[DCMONEY]

The difference is all those other coordinators would at least try to put the best players on the roster on the field.

You're right. Thats the thing that really pisses me off with Williams.

[armada58]

Not only is it the worst defense we've had in a long time. But, this defense actually set NFL records for ineptitude.

[grampi]

What's your point? Did Ron Lynn or George Edwards coordinate our defense to a top 10 season? Ever? Do they even still work in the NFL? I know GW will be next season no matter what happens.

Are you saying that means he didn't coach the worst Skins defense in Skins history in 2006?

[Monk in the Hall!]

ONLY 12 takeaways this season. THE worst in NFL history.

This defense this year has to rank high on that list.

That is so pathetic... in nfl history... :doh:

Lets hope we can get more of the d we saw against the saints next year

[grampi]

The 2006 D also had to have one of the worst, if not THE worst 3rd down conversion rate. This D couldn't force a punt if their lives depended upon it!

[dlcarpet]

Is Springs made of glass...that dude is such a loser...get rid of him.

You thing a Portis trade is coming?

[scruffylookin]

The difference is all those other coordinators would at least try to put the best players on the roster on the field.

You're right. I'll agree with that.


The 2006 D also had to have one of the worst, if not THE worst 3rd down conversion rate. This D couldn't force a punt if their lives depended upon it!

They allowed a terrible 43.7% conversion rate on 3rd down. Unfortunately, I only have conversion rates dating back from 81 to the present day. But I would suspect that the Allen and Pardee defenses would have a better number than that.

So since the 81 season, here are the worst 3rd down conversion rates for a Redskin defense.

1. 45.45% (220-100) 1995
2. 43.86% (228-100) 1996
3. 43.69% (222-97) 2006
4. 42.79% (215-92) 1993
5. 41.26% (206-85) 1981

[DCMONEY]

What's your point? Did Ron Lynn or George Edwards coordinate our defense to a top 10 season? Ever? Do they even still work in the NFL? I know GW will be next season no matter what happens.

1st off, The Skins have had 3 other Def Coordinators here in recent memory that have coached this team to a top 10 def. Ray Rhodes, Kurt Schottenheimer and Marvin Lewis. Williams ain't re-inventing the wheel here. I've said before my assessment of Williams came before this season. This isn't a knee jerk reaction from me. My point is its funny how an unknown player came out this season and repeated what I said 2 years ago. When things are going well though, he(GW) and some fans disregard things. Williams thought he could plug in anyone. His scheme is whats doing it. He said we don't have starters, we have players.

I can remember some on this forum making statements like GW has coached top ranked defenses. Joe Gibbs has won Superbowls so don't question or evalaute their off season moves. I've always said when you make the moves the Skins have made in the off season and to come back with this result is beyond ridiculous. I hate to say it but my beloved team is a joke right now. You can't make these moves and come back say Oops my bad. Its crazy.