Picture for the Champ Haters

[fuji869]

I hate the Broncos anyway from my days of living in Denver but here is a pretty cool pic for those who do not like Champ Bailey.

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Denver Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey looks to the sidelines before the 49ers kick the game winning field goal in overtime beating the Broncos 26-23 during a football game in Denver, Sunday, Dec. 31, 2006. The loss knocked the Broncos out of the playoffs. (AP Photo/Jack Dempsey)

[DWinzit]

I always liked Champ and always will!

Well, as long as he doesn't play for Dallas, Phily or NY!

[HeHateMe]

There's really not any good legitimate reason to hate a player like Champ Bailey.

He's a class act all around. He's the best CB in the game. And is very humble to boot.

[fuji869]

I always liked Champ and always will!

Well, as long as he doesn't play for Dallas, Phily or NY!

When I went back to Denver on Vacation in May 04 right after the Bailey / Portis Trade all I heard from Bronco Fans was how we got the bad end of the trade because Champ was quite, unassuming and the NFL's premier shut down CB and Portis was cocky, over rated and just another "Mike Shanahan System" Back.

I told Bronco fans that we have more right to be upset at Bailey then they are Portis because at least we were going to pay Champ.

[Warhead36]

I like Champ. I hated how the whole process went down and for a little while I hated how he badmouthed the organization. But now? Well seems like everything he said is pretty much true more or less. HE was a core Redskin we let go. Damn. :(

[E33Green]

Folks, I am actually the illegitamate son that Champ Bailey fathered with a Washington Post reporter before his wife gave him the "either we leave Washington, or I leave you" ultimatum. A class act? You call that bum who skipped town after cheating on his wife a class act? You, my friend, are a moron. At least I'm living the high life thanks to the child support he sends to my Mom from his enormous NFL salary. I will never have respect for my Dad (Champ Bailey) until he mans up and becomes the male role model I so desperately need.

[E33Green]

Caption for the pic:

"I wonder if my wife is going to find out about my other illegitamate children. Crap, maybe I should stop being a stereotype of superstar athletes and be faithful to my wife!"

[Skin'emAlive]

^^^^
are you joking? Or are you really his son? ...

[Yeen80]

In the last 2 seasons in Denver, Champ has 18 interceptions. From 99-03, he had a combined total of 18 in those 5 seasons.


As a Redskin: 18 INT's 1 TD
As a Bronco: 21 INT's 4 TD

I don't know about you guys, but I sure wish we had him here

[THEHEREAFTER]

Folks, I am actually the illegitamate son that Champ Bailey fathered with a Washington Post reporter before his wife gave him the "either we leave Washington, or I leave you" ultimatum. A class act? You call that bum who skipped town after cheating on his wife a class act? You, my friend, are a moron. At least I'm living the high life thanks to the child support he sends to my Mom from his enormous NFL salary. I will never have respect for my Dad (Champ Bailey) until he mans up and becomes the male role model I so desperately need.

Champ is like 7 years older than you. :laugh:

[diego1115]

Champ is like 7 years older than you. :laugh:
:laugh:

[skins84]

Champ is like 7 years older than you. :laugh:


Champ lost his virginity at the age of 6!


Champ will always be the man to me. Anybody hatin on Champ is crazy, he's the best CB in the game.

[Simmsm88]

He could possibly win Defensive Player of the Year.

[N-rec37]

When I went back to Denver on Vacation in May 04 right after the Bailey / Portis Trade all I heard from Bronco Fans was how we got the bad end of the trade....

I told Bronco fans that we have more right to be upset at Bailey then they are Portis because at least we were going to pay Champ.


we did get the bad part of the trade we gave up basically a damn good corner and a second round pick when a player for player trade would have worked...Bronco fans shouldn't even have complained, they got the better of it, even though I love Clinton, that wasn't a good trade...IMO

[Califan007]

Why did the Broncos want Bailey?...To help them get over the hump in the playoffs and become serious Super Bowl contenders.

Why did the Skins want Portis?...To become the foundation of the offense, to help them get over years of losing, and to help them become serious playoff contenders.

Bailey hasn't helped the Broncos one iota in that regard...
Portis has, for at least one season anyway, delivered as promised.

[sith lord]

He used to be overrated. Now he's the best CB in the league.

[wysknz1]

In the last 2 seasons in Denver, Champ has 18 interceptions. From 99-03, he had a combined total of 18 in those 5 seasons.


As a Redskin: 18 INT's 1 TD
As a Bronco: 21 INT's 4 TD

I don't know about you guys, but I sure wish we had him here

Could it be because the Donx can get pressure on the QB??

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Wish we had Champ instead of Wheel Chair Springs :doh:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Could it be because the Donx can get pressure on the QB??

Denver's DL is terrible.

[Califan007]

Denver's DL is terrible.
But as far as getting pressure on the QB? They're pretty effective.

Bears' D-line: 35.5 sacks
Broncos' D-line: 27.5 sacks
Skins' D-line: 11 sacks

[DWinzit]

But as far as getting pressure on the QB? They're pretty effective.

Bears' D-line: 35.5 sacks
Broncos' D-line: 27.5 sacks
Skins' D-line: 11 sacks
Why add the Skins stat?:puke:

[Califan007]

Why add the Skins stat?:puke:
:laugh: ...Just to use as an extra tool to measure the Broncos' d-line against...as well as to say "How many INTs do you think the great Champ Bailey would have gotten with OUR D-line?"...

[deejaydana]

...and we also threw in a 2nd rounder when we traded Champ! I'm not slighting CP in the least, in fact I still don't think it's a bad trade overall I just wish that Snyder would pull out the check book and send Cerrato to some Carnegie sales-negotiation classes this offseason.

[Califan007]

...and we also threw in a 2nd rounder when we traded Champ! I'm not slighting CP in the least, in fact I still don't think it's a bad trade overall I just wish that Snyder would pull out the check book and send Cerrato to some Carnegie sales-negotiation classes this offseason.
:laugh:

[Alabama Man]

Why did the Broncos want Bailey?...To help them get over the hump in the playoffs and become serious Super Bowl contenders.

Why did the Skins want Portis?...To become the foundation of the offense, to help them get over years of losing, and to help them become serious playoff contenders.

Bailey hasn't helped the Broncos one iota in that regard...
Portis has, for at least one season anyway, delivered as promised.

That is a great way to look at a situation, if you like to take a good look at things through a keyhole. Thats like when the redskins have a bad season, and somebody suggests that they should clean house with EVERYBODY and start fresh. If you wanna argue your above statement, then you should be able to explain to me how Santana Moss is a part of the problem, and not part of the solution for the redskins.

I could just as easily make the case that the redskins could have given Bailey the money that they would have otherwise given to another player that didn't work out, or find some of that infamous cap magic to pull money out of their ass an resign him. Then they would have hadn't of needed to draft Carlos Rodgers, and taken another position of need with that number 1. Then have had that extra number 2 they gave to denver, and either drafted a back, to go with Betts, or they could have traded it for guys like James or Alexander, who could have been had for a second rounder at the time. I've been saying here since it happened that denver got the better end of that trade. Now I just have the added benifit of history to prove it.

[Califan007]

That is a great way to look at a situation, if you like to take a good look at things through a keyhole. Thats like when the redskins have a bad season, and somebody suggests that they should clean house with EVERYBODY and start fresh. If you wanna argue your above statement, then you should be able to explain to me how Santana Moss is a part of the problem, and not part of the solution for the redskins.

I could just as easily make the case that the redskins could have given Bailey the money that they would have otherwise given to another player that didn't work out, or find some of that infamous cap magic to pull money out of their ass an resign him. Then they would have hadn't of needed to draft Carlos Rodgers, and taken another position of need with that number 1. Then have had that extra number 2 they gave to denver, and either drafted a back, to go with Betts, or they could have traded it for guys like James or Alexander, who could have been had for a second rounder at the time. I've been saying here since it happened that denver got the better end of that trade. Now I just have the added benifit of history to prove it.
That's the BEST way to look at the situation...the whole point of aquiring players is NOT to see which ones can rack up the best stats and then compare at the end of the season...it's to help move your team closer to making--and winning--the Super Bowl. It was widely known that the Broncos felt the only thing they needed to get there was a quality CB since Manning and the Colts kept torching them every year in the playoffs. It was also widely assumed that obtaining a "shut down corner" like Bailey would be just what they needed to improve and take the next step.

The results? They didn't take the next step. They either stayed exactly where they were before or slid backwards.

Contrast that with Gibbs believing Portis could be a player to build around and help take them back to the postseason...the Skins had been stuck at .500 or worse (much worse) for the previous 4 years, and their runningback situation wasn't exactly their strong point. They thought Portis could solidify that position for the long haul and had the talent to help get them the additional wins to move into the playoffs. Everyone else thought Portis was a system back and was being overvalued by Gibbs.

The results? After a year with the team Portis "put the team on his back" and took the Skins into the playoffs...and his absense this season due to injury has been one significant reason the Skins only won 5 games.

You can go back and try to reposition the pieces of history in a million different ways for the purpose of showing how clear your hindsight is, but it's a fruitless and useless endeavor if you ask me...what's far more important to do is assess the moves you DID make, not the ones you COULD have made if you were Marty McFly and could gas up the Delorean whenever you wanted. For all of Bailey's personal accomplishments he hasn't helped move his team past where they were before he arrived. Portis, on the otherhand, has.

And I have the added benefit of history to prove it.

[Alabama Man]

If your history is that the skins had a 10-6 history once. I believe it's a lot easier for a team to take a step forward by going from 6-10 to 10-6 and and lose in the divisional round of the nfc playoffs. Then the team that has to take a step forward by being the best team in the afc. Where there is fiercer competition.

And I don't see how you overcame my argument that that is oversimplifying to conclude that the redskins made it to the playoffs once, because of Portis. And the Broncos have done nothing, because of Champ Bailey.

I'm not saying the redskins got rear ended in this trade, but if we're trying to cut a fine line as to which did better, to me it is clearly denver. There only mistake was that Tatum Bell has not done as well as they hoped. But if they were to re-do that trade, I'd take Denver's side every time.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Why did the Broncos want Bailey?...To help them get over the hump in the playoffs and become serious Super Bowl contenders.

Why did the Skins want Portis?...To become the foundation of the offense, to help them get over years of losing, and to help them become serious playoff contenders.

Bailey hasn't helped the Broncos one iota in that regard...
Portis has, for at least one season anyway, delivered as promised.

I think you're being biased in the team goals.

The Broncos wanted Bailey to solidify their defense...which he has. You can't say that they wanted Bailey to get to the Super Bowl any more than we wanted Portis to get to the Super Bowl. That's simply not fair. Every team makes these acquisitions in order to give them a shot at a Lombardi trophy.

Granted, the acquisition of Champ has not put the Broncos in the Super Bowl yet, however, neither has our acquisition of Portis. In fact, Denver made it to the AFC Championship game last year while we snuck in as the 6th seed.

I would think that, so far at least, they are happy with the trade. We got taken...we gave up a Pro Bowl CB and a second-round pick for a very good RB. I realize Champ wasn't going to come back and play in DC once he was a FA, but we didn't have to part with the extra second-rounder as well!

[Califan007]

I think you're being biased in the team goals.

The Broncos wanted Bailey to solidify their defense...which he has. You can't say that they wanted Bailey to get to the Super Bowl any more than we wanted Portis to get to the Super Bowl. That's simply not fair. Every team makes these acquisitions in order to give them a shot at a Lombardi trophy.
I wasn't saying it...the rest of the NFL world was lol...they had their asses handed to them by Manning and the Colts 41-10...with the state the Broncos were in at the time, the conventional wisdom was that a top-tier CB would get them past the Colts and on the road to another Super Bowl appearance. Hence their serious interest in Champ Bailey before he became a free agent. If all they wanted to do was "solidify" the defense, they could have done that with a number of quality CBs at a cheaper price, and they could have still kept Portis (or still traded him but for draft picks or some other value). Trust me, they felt a shut-down corner would put them over the hump.

That's why I use it as a barometer as to how well Bailey has helped them.
Is Champ Bailey one of the best corners in the league? No doubt, maybe even THE best. Has his presence gotten them over the hump? Nope.



Granted, the acquisition of Champ has not put the Broncos in the Super Bowl yet, however, neither has our acquisition of Portis. In fact, Denver made it to the AFC Championship game last year while we snuck in as the 6th seed.
Portis wasn't brought in to turn his new team into an instant Super Bowl contender...Bailey was. The reason they were able to get to the Conference championship was because they didn't have to play the Colts, the very team that made the Broncos feel they needed to go out and get a shutdown CB.

And for the record, the Skins' defense allowed less passing TDs in the two seasons after Bailey left than the Broncos allowed in Bailey's first two seasons for Denver.




I would think that, so far at least, they are happy with the trade. We got taken...we gave up a Pro Bowl CB and a second-round pick for a very good RB. I realize Champ wasn't going to come back and play in DC once he was a FA, but we didn't have to part with the extra second-rounder as well!
Oh, I know they're happy with the trade, and they should be...although I don't think Denver has done much with the extra picks they've aquired from us (Tatum bell and Maurice Clarrett?..lol)...and Portis is far more than a "very good RB". Betts is a very good RB. There's a difference in my eyes.

[Califan007]

If your history is that the skins had a 10-6 history once. I believe it's a lot easier for a team to take a step forward by going from 6-10 to 10-6 and and lose in the divisional round of the nfc playoffs. Then the team that has to take a step forward by being the best team in the afc. Where there is fiercer competition.

And I don't see how you overcame my argument that that is oversimplifying to conclude that the redskins made it to the playoffs once, because of Portis. And the Broncos have done nothing, because of Champ Bailey.

I'm not saying the redskins got rear ended in this trade, but if we're trying to cut a fine line as to which did better, to me it is clearly denver. There only mistake was that Tatum Bell has not done as well as they hoped. But if they were to re-do that trade, I'd take Denver's side every time.
My point was that using Bailey's interception total--or the Skins' lack thereof--as proof of ANYTHING is a mistake (which has been done on this thread and others, not necessarily by you). In my view, Portis has helped the Skins FAR FAR more than Bailey has helped the Broncos. An argument could be made that finding a quality, but cheaper, CB and then spending the money in other areas would have been the smart thing to do, instead of investing to much of their money and hopes in one player at one position. If that one player and one position is QB, it makes sense. Anything else is a mistake. Trust me, if the Skins had done this, that's exactly the argument we would have been hearing lol..."What has Bailey's large contract and 10 INTs gotten us? a 9-7 record and STILL no Super Bowl! We should have used that money on three players, not just one...etc, etc, yadda yadda."

[Alabama Man]

You could make that argument. But I would still rather take my chance on keeping Bailey, AND a 2nd round pick, AND another first round pick instead of drafting Rodgers. Who I think was drafted to fill a need. They might take a corner now or in another year because Springs is getting older, but I don't think they would/should have done it had Bailey still been on the team at that time.

[Digger]

What I find funny is that the Skins didn't make the playoffs primarily do to our poor D (Champ sure coulda helped) and the Broncos didn't make it because of their O (Clinton coulda helped there). Isn't life grand?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Portis wasn't brought in to turn his new team into an instant Super Bowl contender...Bailey was. The reason they were able to get to the Conference championship was because they didn't have to play the Colts, the very team that made the Broncos feel they needed to go out and get a shutdown CB.



Again, to think that any team acquires a high-profile player for anything less than to make them an instant contender is foolish.

It's not fair to assume you know what a GM is thinking in Denver/Washington and say "Champ was brought in to win a Super Bowl but Portis was not."

If the Redskins really trade away top-5 cover corners and 2nd round picks for RBs they don't believe make them a contender, then they really are as dysfunctional as everyone says!

[HapHaszard]

It looks obscene to see Champ in the Denver uniform. I wish he had hung around here for a bit longer.