Stabbing in the Blue lot Saturday

[rincewind]

When we got back to our car in the Blue lot Saturday night we saw a commotion going on in the main part of the lot. Turns out somebody got stabbed. Does anybody know what happened? Is the guy who got stabbed okay?

[CandaceM23]

NBC4 had a little story about it on Sunday morning's newscast.

They didn't say what lot the stabbing occured in, but they said there was an altercation between two men and one of them was stabbed and flown to Baltimore Shock Trauma.

Poor guy. I hope that he's okay.

[Teller]

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but football is not a life-and-death matter. No, not even Redskin football. (Although like the causes of global warming, this theory has not been definitively proven.)

[RonJeremy]

That is ****ed up...stabbing at a FOOTBALL game. :doh:


Also, I was wondering what happened outside of Gate F right in front of the stadium after the game? There was a guy being put into an ambulance he looked unconscious and a girl sitting in the street crying...anyone know what happened?

[Moseley3]

Somebody getting stabbed and life flighted? I thought stuff like this only happens in Philly? Come on people it's only a freaking game!!! Sad day to be a Skins fan when this is the biggest news coming out of a Skins and Giants game!:anon:

[jrockster21]

New Yorkers + alcohol = stabbings.

[flexxskins]

When my son was born one of the first things that I got excited about doing was taking him to a Redskins game when he is old enough.

Well, he is only 20 months old and I have already pretty much decided that professional football games, weather it be at Fed Ex or wherever, is just no place for children anymore.

[skins0128]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16417332/

LANDOVER, Md. - As people were clearing FedEx Field on Saturday night after the Redskins game, police said there was a stabbing that left one person seriously injured. Police said it happened in a parking lot at the stadium.

The injured victim was flown to the hospital.

A suspect was taken into custody at the scene.

Police were expected to release more information later Sunday.

[Thanos]

When my son was born one of the first things that I got excited about doing was taking him to a Redskins game when he is old enough.

Well, he is only 20 months old and I have already pretty much decided that professional football games, weather it be at Fed Ex or wherever, is just no place for children anymore.

good move

[stwasm]

When my son was born one of the first things that I got excited about doing was taking him to a Redskins game when he is old enough.

Well, he is only 20 months old and I have already pretty much decided that professional football games, weather it be at Fed Ex or wherever, is just no place for children anymore.

I'm really starting to wonder if a football place is a place for anyone.

[rictus58]

I'm really starting to wonder if a football place is a place for anyone.

apparently it has become the perfect place for those who do not care about other people or the property of others.

[jrockster21]

I'm really starting to wonder if a football place is a place for anyone.


It is starting to get ridiculous when you have to worry about getting stabbed in the parking lot after the game...or when you have to worry about getting hit by other Redskins fans after the game. :(

[the burgundy and gold]

theres a few threads about how bad Fedex has been lately, im considering whether i should even bother going to any games next year. It seems to be getting a little less fun enviroment.

[stwasm]

theres a few threads about how bad Fedex has been lately, im considering whether i should even bother going to any games next year. It seems to be getting a little less fun enviroment.

It's getting to be a LOT less fun environment.

[DButz65]

Thats just fuc*ed up , why do people have to ruin a fun time for others
now a days.

[MontanaRed]

Yeah, the environment is getting sicker and sicker. I read about the stabbing in the WP - I think it said the guy stabbed was 22 and the guy they arrested was late fifties. The guy stabbed was supposedly going to be ok.
edit: didn't mention their affiliations!

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I don't mean to stereotype here but every single Skins vs. Giants game I've been to I've seen a fight. Coincidence?

[Air Force Cane]

Hmm..

spending thousands of dollars to watch one of the worst run sports franchises in the country lose yet another game, ducking beer bottles, obscene cursing, and fist fights

or using the money to spend the weekend in London or Rio De Janeiro.

tough choice..

[Mr. S]

I don't mean to stereotype here but every single Skins vs. Giants game I've been to I've seen a fight. Coincidence?

shoot I hear of more fights from Giants fans than Philly fans (at FedEx). I am quite disappointed overall.

I went to the Vikings, Panthers, and Eagles games, didn't really see any problems, though I heard there were some at the Eagles game. Surprisingly, there never seem to be any problems at Cowboys games.

I don't see myself going to many games anytime soon, I have a big screen at home and will have HD by next season, why really bother anymore?

[Rocky21]

Hmm..

spending thousands of dollars to watch one of the worst run sports franchises in the country lose yet another game, ducking beer bottles, obscene cursing, and fist fights

Live Skins games are not for the easily offended.

[NOVA2Tampa]

DLP Big Screen TV.

HD.

Watch it at home.

:cheers:

[MikeInJc aka M.I.A.]

I haven't got into any physical confrontations, but there has been many verbal altercations directed my way. One a guy actually jumped out of his car and came after man:wtf: and he was a skins fan. My only problem is I never back down, unless I'm in Philly and I've got five of them damned fans following me. But after this incident with the stabbing I might be thinking different. I really am not a fighter, but I'll be damned if someone going to come after me, insulting me and others around with no cause, except they want to be *******s in someone elses stadium. But I digress, I defintiely agree, it has got to the point where I almost run to the tailgate after the game, because I know some kind of :pooh: is going to go down and I really just want to drink more and not fight, well maybe wrestle a little if someones feeling froggy:laugh: .

[ashburnskinsfan]

Hmm..

spending thousands of dollars to watch one of the worst run sports franchises in the country lose yet another game, ducking beer bottles, obscene cursing, and fist fights

or using the money to spend the weekend in London or Rio De Janeiro.

tough choice..

You left out ... avoiding pools of vomit on your way out of the game.

[ashburnskinsfan]

Live Skins games are not for the easily offended.

I'm not easily offended, but more than a few of the fans I've sat near would be ejected from any bar for their behavior. Why would I want to spend my afternoon in their company?

[Who Del]

Frustration builds up after years of not being very good (I know from being an Eagles fan and having gone to many many games over the years). Alcohol. Idiots. There are a lot of things that can contribute to this. When a man is stabbed by another fan of the same team. There is a problem. Why would someone do that? This cannot possibly be over anything involved with the game.

[twenty-eight]

I'm not passing the blame on anyone else...maybe there should be more security at games, especially divisional games

[Rocky21]

I'm not easily offended, but more than a few of the fans I've sat near would be ejected from any bar for their behavior. Why would I want to spend my afternoon in their company?Fed Ex Field is not a bar. The beers at a bar are less than $7.

[twenty-eight]

I'm not easily offended, but more than a few of the fans I've sat near would be ejected from any bar for their behavior. Why would I want to spend my afternoon in their company?


You dont spend $90 to get into a bar...

[ashburnskinsfan]

You dont spend $90 to get into a bar...

We have a theme here ... on the difference between watching the redskins live vs going to a bar:

People working in a bar care about their customers :)

[Bang]

I don't mean to stereotype here but every single Skins vs. Giants game I've been to I've seen a fight. Coincidence?
every Single game I've ever been to at Fed Ex I've seen numerous fights.
Most of the time it's Redskins fans fighting among themselves, too.

~Bang

[england]

this is the sort of thing that used to happen here in england at a football match and i really hope that this game does not follow the same path i follow the redskins and american football because i thought fans could interact without malice please tell me this is an isolated incident

[dreamingwolf]

this is the sort of thing that used to happen here in england at a football match and i really hope that this game does not follow the same path i follow the redskins and american football because i thought fans could interact without malice please tell me this is an isolated incident

I would say for the most part its isolated incidents.

[ashburnskinsfan]

I would say for the most part its isolated incidents.

There is a big difference ... incidents at these games are isolated and usually related to too much alcohol. Most of the violence at English soccer was orchestrated by 'firms'.

[spjunkies]

This is why I always decline tickets when people offer thhem.

Who wants to put up with that garbage?

[Zen-like Todd]

People will get cranky when I say this, but seriously, it's the alcohol.

[cadets08]

The perfect cure for all our FedEx woes is to have a winning season....easier said then done. Then there will be happy drunks rather than angry ones.

[DeanCollins]

Hmm..

spending thousands of dollars to watch one of the worst run sports franchises in the country lose yet another game, ducking beer bottles, obscene cursing, and fist fights

or using the money to spend the weekend in London or Rio De Janeiro.

tough choice..

you mean spending the weekend flying back and forth to and from London or Rio? I'd rather go to the game and duck beer bottles. the fist fights are bonus entertainment :laugh:

[ntotoro]

The perfect cure for all our FedEx woes is to have a winning season....easier said then done.

It was just done a year ago.

[The Guru]

This is why I always decline tickets when people offer thhem.

Who wants to put up with that garbage?

Seriously, I would be glad to take those tickets.

[DCsportsfan53]

People will get cranky when I say this, but seriously, it's the alcohol.


Seriously, it's the idiots. Idiots are idiots with or without alcohol and idiots will find a way to drink alcohol even when it's not allowed because, well, they're idiots. The solution is more security and less tolerance of stupid behaviour. Most people who drink don't do this stupid ****.

[dreamingwolf]

Seriously, it's the idiots. Idiots are idiots with or without alcohol and idiots will find a way to drink alcohol even when it's not allowed because, well, they're idiots. The solution is more security and less tolerance of stupid behaviour. Most people who drink don't do this stupid ****.

agreed completely

[ashburnskinsfan]

Seriously, it's the idiots. Idiots are idiots with or without alcohol and idiots will find a way to drink alcohol even when it's not allowed because, well, they're idiots. The solution is more security and less tolerance of stupid behaviour. Most people who drink don't do this stupid ****.

Agreed ... otherwise we'd have to blame the message board for some of the posts we have here :laugh:

[Blighty Skins]

There is a big difference ... incidents at these games are isolated and usually related to too much alcohol. Most of the violence at English soccer was orchestrated by 'firms'.

Wrong.

It's the alcohol. These "firms" you're talking about used to organise fighting amongst themselves AWAY from the stadium (i.e. the town centre) BEFORE the game. Basically, they were just a bunch of guys looking for a fight.

The violence inside the stadium and after games was (and still is...but not so much in the UK) caused by alcohol. Including 39 people who were killed at Heysel by charging, drunk Liverpool fans. We've banned alcohol not only at the ground, but the selling of alcohol within a 3 mile radius is also illegal on match day. On the contrary, when English fans go abroad where alcohol is not banned, they always start trouble. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Looks like you're going the way we used to be over here. I think you should ban alcohol (it's a sporting event not a bar FFS) and you should segregate opposing fans. I find it absurd mixing fans of opposing teams up...of course there'll be fighting. Even an idiot would see wthis. How hard would it be to assign parts of the stadium to the visiting team? :rolleyes:

[PugSkin]

I'm not easily offended, but more than a few of the fans I've sat near would be ejected from any bar for their behavior. Why would I want to spend my afternoon in their company?

I agree. I'm not easily offended, but we always bring our 14 year old son to the games and we ocassionally bring the 5 year old as well. They're both die hard fans. I shouldn't have to worry about what my kids might see, hear or be subjected to at a Redskin's game. They have the right to enjoy a live game. And, though they might not be offended at what is being said or done around them, I certainly would be offended I certainly woudl be offended if someone were to act exceptionally inappropriately in the presence of a child...or anyone else for that matter. Incidentally, we have season tickets in section 103 and haven't had a problem, though we did miss several games this year.

[Drockvb]

No one will like my suggestion. Do what they do at Wrigley.

Beer+Years of frustration= Chaos.

So they recently decided to stop all beer sales after the 6th inning. Has it worked? Well it's hard to say, but it does make people think. And it does help sober them up a little before the end of the game. :2cents:

[rincewind]

No one will like my suggestion. Do what they do at Wrigley.

Beer+Years of frustration= Chaos.

So they recently decided to stop all beer sales after the 6th inning. Has it worked? Well it's hard to say, but it does make people think. And it does help sober them up a little before the end of the game. :2cents:



I would suggest stopping the years of frustration before stopping alcohol service.

[Drockvb]

I would suggest stopping the years of frustration before stopping alcohol service.

Can you turn water into wine? Because ending years of frustration at Wrigley will take an act of God. :laugh:

[ashburnskinsfan]

Wrong.

more beligerent crap snipped

:doh: You take anything out of context to pick an argument. :laugh:

The violence associated with English soccer is largely associated with the activities of firms. It now takes place away from football grounds because of heavier security at the stadium. The whole 'casuals' and 'chav' culture emerged so that hooligans wouldn't fit the traditional skinhead thug sterotype the police were on the look out for at the grounds.

[Blighty Skins]

:doh: You take anything out of context to pick an argument. :laugh:

The violence associated with English soccer is largely associated with the activities of firms. It now takes place away from football grounds because of heavier security at the stadium. The whole 'casuals' and 'chav' culture emerged so that hooligans wouldn't fit the traditional skinhead thug sterotype the police were on the look out for at the grounds.

Wow, I've never seen someone not know what the hell they are talking about, sound so sure of himself. What qualifies you to make these assumptions, may I ask? :doh:

The "'casuals' and 'chavs' culture emerged so that hooligans wouldn't fit the traditional skinhead thug stereotype'...? :rolleyes: You know, one of my earliest memories is holding my mothers hand (was about 5 years old at the time) coming out of the local railway station and having a group of skinheads sneering at us. Now you're saying these skinheads have become chavs so they can go to football stadiums without being noticed? Absurd.

Skin-heads, for the most part, were right-wing thinking bods and had their counter-part the punks who were mostly left-wing/libs to contend with. Most of them did not attend football stadiums, music being their primary inspiration.

Chavs are the result of council-estate dwellers....I think most couldn't give a toss about football (soccer) to be honest. :rolleyes: To think they came from skinheads is ridiculous. Most of them came about as a white version of the gangsta...note the hoodies?

And no, these "firms" are not NOW fighting away from stadiums. :laugh: They USED to fight away from stadiums i.e. railway stations, town centres in the 70's and 80's. After Heysel, police here clamped down on "firms" and there are very very few left. Maybe some in Lower League or places like Millwall...but Chelsea used to be notorious (Headhunters) and they don't exist anymore, including many others.

Mate...you're talking to someone who was involved in all this soccer malarky growing up.

[Zen-like Todd]

It's the alcohol. People who drink alcohol and want to keep drinking alcohol at the game will come up with weak and flimsy arguments to the contrary, but it's quite obvious.

[Teller]

It's the alcohol. People who drink alcohol and want to keep drinking alcohol at the game will come up with weak and flimsy arguments to the contrary, but it's quite obvious.

So would you ban alcohol altogether, ZLT?

[AJ_Skins]

Wow, I've never seen someone not know what the hell they are talking about, sound so sure of himself. What qualifies you to make these assumptions, may I ask? :doh:

Some people in America (usually liberals) like to think they're "down" with Britain...as if it signifies their superior "enlightenment" and "worldliness". So they learn a few tidbits here and there about some issue and then think they know what they're talking about. In typical foolish fashion, they will even tell someone who actually lives there and knows these things "how it is"...seems strange on the surface, but the psychology is typical once you get to understand it.

[jrockster21]

It's the alcohol. People who drink alcohol and want to keep drinking alcohol at the game will come up with weak and flimsy arguments to the contrary, but it's quite obvious.

Sure, its the alcohol. Ban all alcohol. While we're at it, we need to ban all automobiles because clearly, all auto-fatalities are caused by cars.

[ashburnskinsfan]

What qualifies you to make these assumptions, may I ask? :doh:



We've been around this issue before when you kindly explained to us that football is game involving use of the feet. :laugh:

I am not American. I lived in England until '96 and had many first-hand experiences of football hooliganism. My family has roots in Liverpool and we know people who suffered losses in both Heysel and Hillsborough.

The perception of English football hooliganism comes from those times and earlier years ... the progress the police have made in eliminating the firms will take years to change how the world views English soccer fans.

[ashburnskinsfan]

Some people in America (usually liberals) like to think they're "down" with Britain...as if it signifies their superior "enlightenment" and "worldliness". So they learn a few tidbits here and there about some issue and then think they know what they're talking about. In typical foolish fashion, they will even tell someone who actually lives there and knows these things "how it is"...seems strange on the surface, but the psychology is typical once you get to understand it.

You're such a jackass. :laugh:

My knowledge is based on living in England in the 80s and 90s when soccer hooliganism was at it's peak.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your usual ignorant partisan rant.:doh::laugh:

[Blighty Skins]

You're such a jackass. :laugh:

My knowledge is based on living in England in the 80s and 90s when soccer hooliganism was at it's peak.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your usual ignorant partisan rant.:doh::laugh:

We didn't have hooliganism problems in the 90s...that's when they started putting all seaters in and stewards who wouldn't let anyone stand up. Which has gone a bit slack now cos everyone stands and stewards don't say anything, anyway. If you're talking abroad, then that's a different matter. We STILL have English hooligans abroad. But that's alcohol related...unless you think lawyers, firmen and office workers (all arrested as "hooligans") are professional hoolis?

[Rocky21]

Some people in America (usually liberals) like to think they're "down" with Britain...as if it signifies their superior "enlightenment" and "worldliness". So they learn a few tidbits here and there about some issue and then think they know what they're talking about. In typical foolish fashion, they will even tell someone who actually lives there and knows these things "how it is"...seems strange on the surface, but the psychology is typical once you get to understand it.


My knowledge is based on living in England in the 80s and 90s when soccer hooliganism was at it's peak.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your usual ignorant partisan rant.:doh::laugh: Pwned! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[ashburnskinsfan]

We didn't have hooliganism problems in the 90s...that's when they started putting all seaters in and stewards who wouldn't let anyone stand up. Which has gone a bit slack now cos everyone stands and stewards don't say anything, anyway. If you're talking abroad, then that's a different matter. We STILL have English hooligans abroad. But that's alcohol related...unless you think lawyers, firmen and office workers (all arrested as "hooligans") are professional hoolis?

In the 1990's after the Taylor report and new legislation, with the introduction of all seater stadias and more aggressive police enforcement and surveillance, the incidence of violence at football grounds did decrease. But football hooliganism did not go away in the 90's ... it just moved to other locations.

In the 2005-2006 season a record number (995) of fans were subject to new football banning orders making it illegal for them to attend games either domestically or internationally, bringing the total of orders in effect to more than 3300.

The Scotsman tracks Scottish and English hooligan incidents

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=183

and also shows the problem has not completely gone away, just relocated away from the field of play.

[Thanos]

Wrong.

It's the alcohol. These "firms" you're talking about used to organise fighting amongst themselves AWAY from the stadium (i.e. the town centre) BEFORE the game. Basically, they were just a bunch of guys looking for a fight.

The violence inside the stadium and after games was (and still is...but not so much in the UK) caused by alcohol. Including 39 people who were killed at Heysel by charging, drunk Liverpool fans. We've banned alcohol not only at the ground, but the selling of alcohol within a 3 mile radius is also illegal on match day. On the contrary, when English fans go abroad where alcohol is not banned, they always start trouble. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Looks like you're going the way we used to be over here. I think you should ban alcohol (it's a sporting event not a bar FFS) and you should segregate opposing fans. I find it absurd mixing fans of opposing teams up...of course there'll be fighting. Even an idiot would see wthis. How hard would it be to assign parts of the stadium to the visiting team? :rolleyes:

I might be wrong in this.I've been to an EPL match back in 01 I think.I did not see familes or many women.That may have changed some from what I see on Fox Soccer Channel.But a stadium full of males is trouble no matter the timezone.

[MikeInJc aka M.I.A.]

.....and you should segregate opposing fans. I find it absurd mixing fans of opposing teams up...of course there'll be fighting. Even an idiot would see wthis. How hard would it be to assign parts of the stadium to the visiting team? :rolleyes:

I don't think that would ever happen, but one thing they might be able to do is create a "family section" like they have at nascar races. In those sections drinking and smoking is not allowed. But as for segregating sections by opposing fans, it will never happen, one reason is it would mess up the season ticket holders, who by the way own almost every seat in that stadium. The only way the opposing team can get tickets is if they buy them from other season ticket holders or they are able to score some of the tickets the ticket office holds for the opposing team and I believe that number is less then 1,000 tickets.


No one will like my suggestion. Do what they do at Wrigley.

Beer+Years of frustration= Chaos.

So they recently decided to stop all beer sales after the 6th inning. Has it worked? Well it's hard to say, but it does make people think. And it does help sober them up a little before the end of the game. :2cents:

They do stop selling beer after the 3rd quarter is over, at least the beer vendors who walk up and down the stairs stop selling. I didn't drink anything inside the stadium last game, but was still drunk for the entire game because of how much I drank at the tailgate:D .

[Zen-like Todd]

Sure, its the alcohol. Ban all alcohol. While we're at it, we need to ban all automobiles because clearly, all auto-fatalities are caused by cars.


I'm guessing you didn't do very well on the SATs, because that was the worst analogy I've seen in ages.