cnn: Pat Robertson: God told me of 'mass killing' in 2007

[chomerics]

Isn't anyone else scared that this man has weekly conference calls with Bush, and the president takes ANYTHING this lunatic says seriously?


VIRGINIA BEACH, Virginia (AP) -- Evangelical broadcaster Pat Robertson said Tuesday that God has told him that a terrorist attack on the United States would cause a "mass killing" late in 2007.

"I'm not necessarily saying it's going to be nuclear," he said during his news-and-talk television show "The 700 Club" on the Christian Broadcasting Network.

"The Lord didn't say nuclear. But I do believe it will be something like that."

Robertson said God told him about the impending tragedy during a recent prayer retreat.

God also said, he claims, that major cities and possibly millions of people will be affected by the attack, which should take place sometime after September.

Robertson suggested in January 2006 that God punished then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon with a stroke for ceding Israeli-controlled land to the Palestinians.

The broadcaster predicted in January 2004 that President Bush would easily win re-election.

Bush won 51 percent of the vote that fall, beating Democratic Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts.

In 2005, Robertson predicted that Bush would have victory after victory in his second term. He said Social Security reform proposals would be approved and Bush would nominate conservative judges to federal courts.

Lawmakers confirmed Bush's 2005 nominations of John Roberts and Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. But the president's Social Security initiative was stalled.

"I have a relatively good track record," he said. "Sometimes I miss."

In May, Robertson said God told him that storms and possibly a tsunami were to crash into America's coastline in 2006.

Even though the U.S. was not hit with a tsunami, Robertson on Tuesday cited last spring's heavy rains and flooding in New England as partly fulfilling the prediction.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/02/robertson.predictions.ap/index.html

[Sarge]

I think about anyone could predict this.

And it'll be the Dems fault, since they are in charge now:)

[rincewind]

Evidently Robertson and Kingbrice get their info from the same God. :laugh:

[Larry]

Evidently Robertson and Kingbrice get their info from the same God. :laugh:

(Remembering an Onion article: Secret Service records reveal that the Voice of God that W hears in the Oval Office is actually Dick Cheney playing with the White House telephone system's speaker phone.)

[Larry]

I think about anyone could predict this.

And it'll be the Dems fault, since they are in charge now:)

Heck, the GOP's been predicting that for the last three elections.

[Xameil]

I can do this too...hold on...

I predict that the NE will have snow within the next 4 months. Then there will be lots of puddles around the NE in 5 months due to global warming....some call it Spring, but that's just PC jargon...I call it like it is.

Then around September there will be a massive genocide of plants, and the ground will be piled with the carcasses of plants or as some say...leaves. It will be horrid as the cries of children everywhere are put into forced labor of cleaning up the carnage of leaves.

How's that?

[Zguy28]

This is a good thing actually for those who don't like him. He will finally be revealed as a false prophet, to the world and the church, if it doesn't come true.

If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18:22

[rebornempowered]

If he is going to make these predicitions he has to be willing to step down if he is wrong.......oh wait.....he hasn't before and he won't now so why do I even bother.

Did you know that in 1979 Robertson had a camera crew put together to go to Jerusalem to record the second coming? :doh:

As a conservative Christian I am appalled by his "prophetic" statements and assumptions. I wish he would just go away or be quiet.

[rebornempowered]

Then around September there will be a massive genocide of plants, and the ground will be piled with the carcasses of plants or as some say...leaves. It will be horrid as the cries of children everywhere are put into forced labor of cleaning up the carnage of leaves.

How's that?

I don't know about prophecy but I do know that paragraph is some funny stuff! :laugh:

[Sarge]

This is a good thing actually for those who don't like him. He will finally be revealed as a false prophet, to the world and the church, if it doesn't come true.



I'd rather he become a false prophet some other way then by being right about this

[Buford]

I think Pats a few years late. There has been mass killing for a chunk of this decade.

[Zguy28]

I'd rather he become a false prophet some other way then by being right about thisHe will only be proved false if it doesn't happen.

[Air Force Cane]

"has weekly conference calls with Bush"

please post a reputable source for this...

[Zguy28]

I think Pats a few years late. There has been mass killing for a chunk of this decade.In the USA??

[Xameil]

I don't know about prophecy but I do know that paragraph is some funny stuff! :laugh:

lol hey I prophesized it since it hasn't happened and it's in the future. You better give me credit when the time comes and you see it happening ;)

[rebornempowered]

lol hey I prophesized it since it hasn't happened and it's in the future. You better give me credit when the time comes and you see it happening ;)

You had me at forced labor. :D

I truly do see this prophecy coming true.

[Zguy28]

To Robertson's credit :( he did warn the President against the Iraq War and did predict it be a disaster and messy.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/

[Air Force Cane]

still waiting for chomerics to offer any real evidence that the POTUS has WEEKLY meetings with Robertson..

[Dan T.]

Why would God talk to that boob?

[G-Prime]

Tomorrow somewhere in the world.. It will be raining..

[ChiefBigMeat]

Anyone who says God talks to them should be immediately institutionalized for the safety of humanity.

[RVAbrendan]

Anyone can make fairly obvious predictions and have some come true. I'm sure some of you have heard of John Titor, a time traveler from the future that posted on a few message boards back in '01 with a convincing story. He predicted a huge Tsunami in the East that came true, along with about a dozen or so other happenings. Eventually, he was debunked, as will happen to Robertson.

[Buford]

still waiting for chomerics to offer any real evidence that the POTUS has WEEKLY meetings with Robertson..


You asking for proof? Hey hypocrite. Remember the whole Haggard mess? The President has weekly calls with Religious "Leaders".

Conference calls I believe.

[Air Force Cane]

so it should be relatively easy for you to then post numerous reputable news articles detailing these:

"weekly meetings by the President with Pat Robertson"

unless you are just an ignoramus who parrots talking points..

[RVAbrendan]

I do know that Rove frequently communicated with Jerry Falwell on moral issues, and that having "access" to the white house is an understatement. I see no reason to doubt that this same kind of thing happens with Robertson and the president.

[Zguy28]

I do know that Rove frequently communicated with Jerry Falwell on moral issues, and that having "access" to the white house is an understatement. I see no reason to doubt that this same kind of thing happens with Robertson and the president.I would venture to say that getting Christian counsel on moral issues is slight bit different than prophecy of future events. And where most people misrepresent others is in lumping them together. Falwell is a Baptist, we don't usually go for crazy stuff like speaking in tongues and predicting the future in today's age. :2cents:

[Buford]

so it should be relatively easy for you to then post numerous reputable news articles detailing these:

"weekly meetings by the President with Pat Robertson"

unless you are just an ignoramus who parrots talking points..


coming from a fraud like you, that's hilarious.

You can't even post an article correctly, quote somebody correctly. But now you want things sourced?

When you stop being lazy and do things how everybody else does around here, then maybe you'd deserve an ounce of respect. Until then. you get to be picked on my members and mods alike.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Who really gives a ****?

[Redskins Diehard]

coming from a fraud like you, that's hilarious.

You can't even post an article correctly, quote somebody correctly. But now you want things sourced?

When you stop being lazy and do things how everybody else does around here, then maybe you'd deserve an ounce of respect. Until then. you get to be picked on my members and mods alike.

How about me? Can I ask for that statement to be sourced? Just wondering.

[Buford]

When people ask you, do you go back and source. Or do you tuck tail and run to another thread?

I didn't post that comment, I do know that Bush has weekly PHONE calls with Religious leaders around the country. They talked about that during the Haggard scandal.

Personally, I don't care.

I just was calling out a known hit and runner for being a hypocrite.

[Coach Williams]

Evidently Robertson and Kingbrice get their info from the same God. :laugh:

:laugh: Good thing for me I have no idea who Pat Robertson is......seriously.....

I don't wanna have a repeat thread so I'm gonna shut up now...... :silly:

[AsburySkinsFan]

Isn't anyone else scared that this man has weekly conference calls with Bush, and the president takes ANYTHING this lunatic says seriously?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/02/robertson.predictions.ap/index.html

Chome, many of my Christian brothers and sisters may not like what I'm about to say and that's fine, but Pat Robertson scares me quite a bit, and the fact that he has Bush's ear scares me even more! This whole Dispensational American-Israeli Zionist version of "Christianity" is extremely troubling, and the fact that they have come to power and that the most powerful man in the world actually listens to them should be cause for much alarm. I for one can't wait until January 2009 (inauguration day to be precise). Hopefully, things don't get worse by then.

[AsburySkinsFan]

This is a good thing actually for those who don't like him. He will finally be revealed as a false prophet, to the world and the church, if it doesn't come true.

If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18:22

Well, it certainly didn't work for Hal Lindsey. People still listen to him. :doh:

[Larry]

Well, in Pat's defense, he's a lot better at waiting until after there's a hurricane or some such, and then blaming somebody for it.

(Which, in turn reminds me of something I'd seen a while back:) (No claims for accuracy at all.)

http://www.micro-ctr.com/LP/godvsbush.gif

:)

[rebornempowered]

Well, it certainly didn't work for Hal Lindsey. People still listen to him. :doh:

I collect prophecy books that have incorrect predictions. It grows rapidly. The troubling thing is that most of my collection is by the same cadre of authors who just change a few words and re-release their books. :doh:

[Rocky21]

Falwell is a Baptist, we don't usually go for crazy stuff like speaking in tongues and predicting the future in today's age. :2cents:You mean crazy stuff like Tinky Winky is gay; abortionists, feminists, lesbians and the ACLU helped 9/11 happen; Mohammed was a terrorist; AIDS is the wrath of a just God; etc. That kind of stuff?

[Zguy28]

You mean crazy stuff like Tinky Winky is gay; abortionists, feminists, lesbians and the ACLU helped 9/11 happen; Mohammed was a terrorist; AIDS is the wrath of a just God; etc. That kind of stuff?No. Its different to look back on things and try to interpret what caused it or why. Its something else altogether to fortune-tell.

Oh, and please source your accusations, don't just spread hearsay.:)

[Prosperity]

Well since God kills people to punish them then God is punishing America. Why would God punish America? Because it is the most Christian/evangelical country in the world. Therefore Pat Robertson has admitted that God hates evangelical Christians.

[tizzod]

To Robertson's credit :( he did warn the President against the Iraq War and did predict it be a disaster and messy.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/

So did Jim Webb. Does that mean he talks to God too?

[techboy]

"I have a relatively good track record," he said. "Sometimes I miss."

:rolleyes: Yes, a modern day Elijah.

[Coach Williams]

Well since God kills people to punish them then God is punishing America. Why would God punish America? Because it is the most Christian/evangelical country in the world. Therefore Pat Robertson has admitted that God hates evangelical Christians.

America as a majority may claim to be Christian but there is a big difference between knowing about God and knowing God......

Just as I ignored God and his will as a teen majority seem to be under the same influence ......

My grandma says the US wasn't like this when she was a child...... :(

[NOVA2Tampa]

Well, in Pat's defense, he's a lot better at waiting until after there's a hurricane or some such, and then blaming somebody for it.

(Which, in turn reminds me of something I'd seen a while back:) (No claims for accuracy at all.)

http://www.micro-ctr.com/LP/godvsbush.gif

:)

Interesting coincidence, but Jeanne hit many of the "blue" counties in that map, including St. Lucie, Pinellas, Pasco, Hernando, Gadsden, Leon, and Jefferson.

This, of course, begs the question: What was "God" trying to tell us when Hurricane Andrew laid waste to Southeast Florida right before the 1992 Elections? :D

[Prosperity]

My grandma says the US wasn't like this when she was a child...... :(

thank God...oh wait

It's called progress

[NOVA2Tampa]

Isn't anyone else scared that this man has weekly conference calls with Bush, and the president takes ANYTHING this lunatic says seriously?



http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/02/robertson.predictions.ap/index.html

Oh, that's just "Crazy Pat" spouting off again...pay him no mind. Anyone who hears "God" talking to him needs to see a mental health professional RFN.

[prophet]

This is a good thing actually for those who don't like him. He will finally be revealed as a false prophet, to the world and the church, if it doesn't come true.

If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18:22

And if it happens? Do we just write it off as chance?

[prophet]

Well since God kills people to punish them then God is punishing America. Why would God punish America? Because it is the most Christian/evangelical country in the world. Therefore Pat Robertson has admitted that God hates evangelical Christians.

China has many more "real" christians than America has

And I do not consider America a Godly nation.

[NOVA2Tampa]

And if it happens? Do we just write it off as chance?

Yes.

Look...there is no such thing as supernatural precognition or divine revelation...it's all hogwash. I can make a dozen general predictions about the coming year, and even if just one of them happens, I can point to it and say "Look! I was right!" while hoping everyone conveniently forgets all the predictions that were wrong. Selective memory...that's how so-called "seers" work.

[prophet]

:rolleyes: Yes, a modern day Elijah.
I'm not calling him a prophet, but have you ever missed it?

[Prosperity]

China has many more "real" christians than America has

And I do not consider America a Godly nation.

America is the most religious country outside of the Middle East.

Why hasn't God punished the Dutch? There are so few religious people that they let people rent churches for any meeting they want, even regular atheist meetings.

To me it looks like in recent times the countries getting punished by God all happen to be the most religious.

[Coach Williams]

Yes.

Look...there is no such thing as supernatural precognition or divine revelation...it's all hogwash.

Unless it was written 1900 years ago and the event, name of leader, method of the arrest and current weather &/or condition is accurate to a T.

:D

[Coach Williams]

America is the most religious country outside of the Middle East.

Why hasn't God punished the Dutch? There are so few religious people that they let people rent churches for any meeting they want, even regular atheist meetings.

To me it looks like in recent times the countries getting punished by God all happen to be the most religious.

If we are really having this discussion:doh: then I must say that it was never spoken that people HAD to be punished during this lifetime......

[Rocky21]

You mean crazy stuff like Tinky Winky is gay; abortionists, feminists, lesbians and the ACLU helped 9/11 happen; Mohammed was a terrorist; AIDS is the wrath of a just God; etc. That kind of stuff?


No. Its different to look back on things and try to interpret what caused it or why. Its something else altogether to fortune-tell.

Oh, and please source your accusations, don't just spread hearsay.:)I'm too lazy to go find all those quips, but they are all attributable to "non-crazy" Jerry Falwell.
You hadn't heard those before?

[prophet]

America is the most religious country outside of the Middle East.

Why hasn't God punished the Dutch? There are so few religious people that they let people rent churches for any meeting they want, even regular atheist meetings.

To me it looks like in recent times the countries getting punished by God all happen to be the most religious.

I could try to explain it, but you and me both know its not worth it.

But if this is judgement its not because of the "non" christians, its because of the so called "Christians". God will judge the "lazy" church before he judges the world.


Rev 3:
“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, .....

Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten.

[NOVA2Tampa]

Unless it was written 1900 years ago and the event, name of leader, method of the arrest and current weather &/or condition is accurate to a T.

:D

Are you making an actual claim about some supposed prophecy or just being sarcastic?

[NOVA2Tampa]

I could try to explain it, but you and me both know its not worth it.

Yeah, 1 Corinthians 1:18...blah blah blah...JAHB...BFD...

Whatever...

[Riggo-toni]

At the beginning of 2006, Robertson "prophesied" that God had told him he would smite the US with hurricanes, and that there may be a tsunami in the US...End Result:2006 was the first year of the decade in which NO HURRICANE landed on US soil.

Ergo, Pat Robertson's full of S**T.

[NOVA2Tampa]

At the beginning of 2006, Robertson "prophesied" that God had told him he would smite the US with hurricanes, and that there may be a tsunami in the US...End Result:2006 was the first year of the decade in which NO HURRICANE landed on US soil.

That's because there is no God, only physics.

[techboy]

And if it happens? Do we just write it off as chance?

When the "prophet" has a long track record of being wrong? Yes. God doesn't do 50/50. There are no Rod Gardner prophets.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I'll ask again...who gives a ****?

Anyone...anyone...Bueller?

[techboy]

I'm not calling him a prophet, but have you ever missed it?

If you mean have I ever missed on a prophecy, then the answer is no, because I have never prophecized. It's pretty simple though. As a Christian, I believe in prophecy, but if you "miss", you're not a prophet.

[techboy]

I'll ask again...who gives a ****?

Anyone...anyone...Bueller?

In my experience, mostly angry/bitter athiests who'd like to tar all religious people with Robertson's poor example.

[NOVA2Tampa]

In my experience, mostly angry/bitter athiests who'd like to tar all religious people with Robertson's poor example.

Question: Exactly what are atheists angry and/or bitter about???

[AsburySkinsFan]

The real problem with Pat Robertson is that he and those who listen to him fundamentally misunderstand what Biblical prophecy was and is. Dr. Ben Witherington III has an excellent book that studies all of Biblical prophecy and the various different ways that prophecy is used called "Jesus the Seer".

This pop-culture idea of prophecy is that the prophet is always speaking about some specific future event much like a modern day fortune teller, but the problem is that Biblical prophecy rarely if EVER worked in that fashion and neither was it understood that way by those who read it, that is until Dispensational theology (thanks for nothing Darby and Scofield) came along and popularized the false idea that the Bible was full of clues to specific future events.

[prophet]

When the "prophet" has a long track record of being wrong? Yes. God doesn't do 50/50. There are no Rod Gardner prophets.

I'm wondering did he call himself a prophet?

[techboy]

Question: Exactly what are atheists angry and/or bitter about???

Not all athiests are bitter/angry. In my experience, however, the ones that are motivated enough to attempt to repudiate religion in general and Christianity specifically frequently are bitter/angry, usually because of a bad experience with a particular church, pastor/priest, or family upbringing.

It's pretty easy to see why that would be. I don't believe in UFO's, but I have no compulsion to loudly proclaim this fact everytime someone brings up a UFO, nor do I feel the need to persuade UFO adherents that they are wrong.

Likewise, I'd imagine that for many athiests, it's enough to not believe in God for whatever reason. To go from that to trying to disprove God, persuade religious people that they are wrong, and pick an argument or make a snide comment every time the subject of God comes up, likely requires a bit more motivation.

For a few, that motivation seems to be intellectual curiosity and enjoyment of debate (athiestic philosophers might fall into this category, for example). A few more seem to genuinely feel that holding religious views is harmful for a person, and are genuinely trying to help. Many of what one might call the "vocal athiests", however, tend to be the ones who have the bad experiences of one sort or another.

That's been my experience, anyway. I'm sure there are plenty of athiests who aren't angry/bitter at all. Most of them, though, likely don't waste their time arguing with theists about it.

[prophet]

Not all athiests are bitter/angry. In my experience, however, the ones that are motivated enough to attempt to repudiate religion in general and Christianity specifically frequently are bitter/angry, usually because of a bad experience with a particular church, pastor/priest, or family upbringing.

It's pretty easy to see why that would be. I don't believe in UFO's, but I have no compulsion to loudly proclaim this fact everytime someone brings up a UFO, nor do I feel the need to persuade UFO adherents that they are wrong.

Likewise, I'd imagine that for many athiests, it's enough to not believe in God for whatever reason. To go from that to trying to disprove God, persuade religious people that they are wrong, and pick an argument or make a snide comment every time the subject of God comes up, likely requires a bit more motivation.

For a few, that motivation seems to be intellectual curiosity and enjoyment of debate (athiestic philosophers might fall into this category, for example). A few more seem to genuinely feel that holding religious views is harmful for a person, and are genuinely trying to help. Many of what one might call the "vocal athiests", however, tend to be the ones who have the bad experiences of one sort or another.

That's been my experience, anyway. I'm sure there are plenty of athiests who aren't angry/bitter at all. Most of them, though, likely don't waste their time arguing with theists about it.
well said! :applause:

[Zguy28]

The real problem with Pat Robertson is that he and those who listen to him fundamentally misunderstand what Biblical prophecy was and is. Dr. Ben Witherington III has an excellent book that studies all of Biblical prophecy and the various different ways that prophecy is used called "Jesus the Seer".

This pop-culture idea of prophecy is that the prophet is always speaking about some specific future event much like a modern day fortune teller, but the problem is that Biblical prophecy rarely if EVER worked in that fashion and neither was it understood that way by those who read it, that is until Dispensational theology (thanks for nothing Darby and Scofield) came along and popularized the false idea that the Bible was full of clues to specific future events.Are you "Covenant Theology"?

[AsburySkinsFan]

Are you "Covenant Theology"?

Explain what you define as "Covenant Theology".

[Zguy28]

Explain what you define as "Covenant Theology".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_Theology

Ever read anything by RC Sproul or BB Warfield? Or Karl Barth? That's Covenant Theology.

[AsburySkinsFan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_Theology

Ever read anything by RC Sproul or BB Warfield? Or Karl Barth? That's Covenant Theology.

Ok, I wanted to make sure that we were discussing the same thing before answering. I can adhere to Covenant Theology to a certain extent, but as a Wesleyan Arminian I cannot follow Calvin all the way through where his theology takes him. However, I do believe that in many regards Wesley was influenced by forms of Covenant Theology in that Wesleyans look to the Abrahamic covenant as ultimately being fulfilled in Christ and completed in the eschaton. We understand all of history as one single narrative of God's redemption of humanity, but we really don't go into the various Covenants, but more or less understand all of history and God's work through history as working to fulfill a single covenant.

[Zguy28]

but as a Wesleyan ArminianHey, its ok, nobody's perfect. :silly:

[PleaseBlitz]

Not all athiests are bitter/angry. In my experience, however, the ones that are motivated enough to attempt to repudiate religion in general and Christianity specifically frequently are bitter/angry, usually because of a bad experience with a particular church, pastor/priest, or family upbringing.

They just dont like religy people throwing their beliefs in their faces. Which happens a lot.


It's pretty easy to see why that would be. I don't believe in UFO's, but I have no compulsion to loudly proclaim this fact everytime someone brings up a UFO, nor do I feel the need to persuade UFO adherents that they are wrong.

Yeah, well, UFO believers dont have a huge political base that controls much of the legislative process in this country. UFO believers are also a much rarer breed than religious people. You dont see a crackpot with a telescope on every street corner. Churches, you do.


Likewise, I'd imagine that for many athiests, it's enough to not believe in God for whatever reason. To go from that to trying to disprove God, persuade religious people that they are wrong, and pick an argument or make a snide comment every time the subject of God comes up, likely requires a bit more motivation.

In my experience, religion people dont know the first thing about how athiests think. You should do a search on this site for the "Athiests only" thread and see how it was immediately and repeatedly invaded by religious folks (for like 20 pages of posts) trying to force thier beliefs on people.


For a few, that motivation seems to be intellectual curiosity and enjoyment of debate (athiestic philosophers might fall into this category, for example). A few more seem to genuinely feel that holding religious views is harmful for a person, and are genuinely trying to help. Many of what one might call the "vocal athiests", however, tend to be the ones who have the bad experiences of one sort or another.

I agree. But you have vocal and non-vocal varieties of every sect of anything a person can be.


That's been my experience, anyway. I'm sure there are plenty of athiests who aren't angry/bitter at all. Most of them, though, likely don't waste their time arguing with theists about it.

:laugh:

Look up the threads ive started. I dont take much of anything seriously.

[70th Week]

Hey, its ok, nobody's perfect. :silly:


took the words right out of my mouth. :D ;)

[Prosperity]

If we are really having this discussion:doh: then I must say that it was never spoken that people HAD to be punished during this lifetime......

dude, you said babies that got cancer got it because the person that took care of them was sinful. How else was I supposed to interpret that?

[Zguy28]

In my experience, religion people dont know the first thing about how athiests think. You should do a search on this site for the "Athiests only" thread and see how it was immediately and repeatedly invaded by religious folks (for like 20 pages of posts) trying to force thier beliefs on people.Same can be said of every thread revolving around religion. See how many times Ashburnskinsfan and CrabR chime in with derogatory remarks. :2cents:

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

If there is a God why are there wisdom teeth? I got one coming it and it's killing me and I just was wondering that.

[PleaseBlitz]

Same can be said of every thread revolving around religion. See how many times Ashburnskinsfan and CrabR chime in with derogatory remarks. :2cents:


Its funny, and i agree with you, but that athiests only thread was started because at the time, there were 10 different threads on the front page of the tailgate dealing with religion. I think 1 of them got hijacked by an athiest (probably Ashburn :paranoid: ), just 1, and someone said basically "hey, if you dont like it, maybe you should start your own thread for athiests and stay out of this one."

As soon as the athiest only thread started, it was hijacked by the 11th post and the other threads all died because the bible-thumpers lost interest in them in favor of "spreading the Word." :laugh:

[DCsportsfan53]

I'm wondering did he call himself a prophet?

He didn't. He just said he speaks directly to god and god tells him what the future holds. Wait a minute, that sounds an awful lot like a prophet.....


They just dont like religy people throwing their beliefs in their faces. Which happens a lot.

Yeah, well, UFO believers dont have a huge political base that controls much of the legislative process in this country. UFO believers are also a much rarer breed than religious people. You dont see a crackpot with a telescope on every street corner. Churches, you do.

In my experience, religion people dont know the first thing about how athiests think. You should do a search on this site for the "Athiests only" thread and see how it was immediately and repeatedly invaded by religious folks (for like 20 pages of posts) trying to force thier beliefs on people.

I agree. But you have vocal and non-vocal varieties of every sect of anything a person can be.

:laugh:

Look up the threads ive started. I dont take much of anything seriously.

:applause:

I don't think a religious person can understand what exactly it's like to be looked upon as a hell-bound heathen no matter how you act because of what you believe. We may scoff at your beliefs at times thinking it's a crutch, opiate of the masses or what not, but that's a lot different than having ultimate judgement passed on you and being preached to because of your belief system. I'm sorry but many, not all, religous folks come off as condescending, holier than thou know it alls who think they're better than you because they know god and you don't. That's really annoying after awhile and there are so many out there and it comes at you from every freaking angle that it is frustrating. Like PB said, you can't ignore how heavily religion influences politics and law making in this country, more recently very fundamentalists versions, too, and how alarming that is to us non-believers who see these fundamentalists attempting to use the law to enforce their beliefs.

[NoCalMike]

The thing is, ever since 9/11 most politicians on both sides have been saying "We are going to get hit again....someday"

It's just a way to cover their own asses, and to keep people scared.

Will we get hit again someday? Probably. But as long as the politicians can make it into an political issue that sways people to one side or the other, it will be over-emphasized, and exaggerated to the point that they would have us believe that we are/were being hit by terrorists on a daily basis.

[Prosperity]

I'm wondering did he call himself a prophet?

things that make you go hmmmmm

[Buford]

The thing is, ever since 9/11 most politicians on both sides have been saying "We are going to get hit again....someday"

It's just a way to cover their own asses, and to keep people scared.

Will we get hit again someday? Probably. But as long as the politicians can make it into an political issue that sways people to one side or the other, it will be over-emphasized, and exaggerated to the point that they would have us believe that we are/were being hit by terrorists on a daily basis.

I did hear that the terror alert was raised from Burnt Sienna to Mango

[Zguy28]

I don't think a religious person can understand what exactly it's like to be looked upon as a hell-bound heathen no matter how you act because of what you believe. Actually I can. And so can most of my Christian friends. I used to be you 4.5 years ago.

[Drockvb]

Robertson fell off his horse and smacked his li'l noggin' again didn't he?

"I predict" that Pat Robertson will make many more bogus predictions in his lifetime. :laugh:

[DCsportsfan53]

I did hear that the terror alert was raised from Burnt Sienna to Mango

:laugh:


Actually I can. And so can most of my Christian friends. I used to be you 4.5 years ago.


Hey now, I wouldn't go that far, I'm a good looking, intelligent young man. :silly:

[prophet]

He didn't. He just said he speaks directly to god and god tells him what the future holds. Wait a minute, that sounds an awful lot like a prophet.....



I would think most Christians think God speaks to them is different ways.

Again I'm not saying he is a prophet, but If there were a prophet in midst of most christians... they wouldn't recongize him/her if they came straight down from heaven in front of them. Most religious christians think there are only pastors & evangelist left.

Not to mention most christians don't know the difference between an OT & NT prophet. They are not exactly the same thing.

[prophet]

I don't think a religious person can understand what exactly it's like to be looked upon as a hell-bound heathen no matter how you act because of what you believe. We may scoff at your beliefs at times thinking it's a crutch, opiate of the masses or what not, but that's a lot different than having ultimate judgement passed on you and being preached to because of your belief system. I'm sorry but many, not all, religous folks come off as condescending, holier than thou know it alls who think they're better than you because they know god and you don't. That's really annoying after awhile and there are so many out there and it comes at you from every freaking angle that it is frustrating. Like PB said, you can't ignore how heavily religion influences politics and law making in this country, more recently very fundamentalists versions, too, and how alarming that is to us non-believers who see these fundamentalists attempting to use the law to enforce their beliefs.

Who is preaching at you everyday? If someone is doing that walk away. I really don't understand this. Maybe 3 times in my life has anyone come up to me trying to convert me to be a christian. No body has ever told me I was going to hell... even though I was.

politics: I think this can go vise versa. Christians will push there political beliefs into the law.... Just like people with your beliefs do. This is a democracy.

[Xameil]

At the beginning of 2006, Robertson "prophesied" that God had told him he would smite the US with hurricanes, and that there may be a tsunami in the US...End Result:2006 was the first year of the decade in which NO HURRICANE landed on US soil.

Ergo, Pat Robertson's full of S**T.


ok in all fairness Darrell Green decided not to go running as fast as the year before, so there were no hurricanes. Pat didn't know that. He thought darrell Green would follow the same workout regimine....


...for all of you who don't get it...I am saying Darrell Green is so fast he leaves hurricanes in his wake...ok...bad joke :doh: , but I'm leaving it up :D

[Prosperity]

that was a REALLY bad joke

[Johnny Punani]

Robertson is a false prophet.

Prophets in the Bible are always 100% accurate.

[prophet]

Robertson is a false prophet.

Prophets in the Bible are always 100% accurate.

If he called himself a prophet... I agree.

[Johnny Punani]

Who is preaching at you everyday? If someone is doing that walk away. I really don't understand this. Maybe 3 times in my life has anyone come up to me trying to convert me to be a christian. No body has ever told me I was going to hell... even though I was.

politics: I think this can go vise versa. Christians will push there political beliefs into the law.... Just like people with your beliefs do. This is a democracy.

No one is. It's his own false delusion. He has been reading Karl Marx too much.

[DeanCollins]

Robertson is a false prophet.

Prophets in the Bible are always 100% accurate.


like weathermen? :laugh:

[Johnny Punani]

like weathermen? :laugh:

No. Better then weathermen. We only get about 80% of our forecasts correct.

[SEF]

Weather observers are 100% accurate.

[Johnny Punani]

Weather observers are 100% accurate.

:laugh: That is correct. The ATC people don't think so at times.

[DeanCollins]

Weather observers are 100% accurate.

sure watching the weather, who can't do that. the forcasters screwed up the second Denver snow storm. I spent a couple hundred dollars to reschedule plane tickets and left 2 days early for nothing

[SEF]

It's pretty easy to see why that would be. I don't believe in UFO's, but I have no compulsion to loudly proclaim this fact everytime someone brings up a UFO, nor do I feel the need to persuade UFO adherents that they are wrong.



Ridikulous!!!

[Johnny Punani]

sure watching the weather, who can't do that. the forcasters screwed up the second Denver snow storm. I spent a couple hundred dollars to reschedule plane tickets and left 2 days early for nothing

Dean,

There is more to Wx Obervations then you think. Besides, do you know how hard it is to forecast a complex system like that?

[SEF]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/sfrench/400_kr_mp_Weather_rock.jpg

[Johnny Punani]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/sfrench/400_kr_mp_Weather_rock.jpg

:laugh:

[DeanCollins]

Dean,

There is more to Wx Obervations then you think. Besides, do you know how hard it is to forecast a complex system like that?

yea I know, I just wish they hadn't be so positive about it. On tuesday they said that the comp models showed two posibilities, one with the two snow storms combining and another one with them hitting separately. Then on wednesday nite they just went with the combined forecast totally 20"-30" thru saturday. about 6" fell and the snow stopped on friday for the most part

[Johnny Punani]

yea I know, I just wish they hadn't be so positive about it. On tuesday they said that the comp models showed two posibilities, one with the two snow storms combining and another one with them hitting separately. Then on wednesday nite they just went with the combined forecast totally 20"-30" thru saturday. about 6" fell and the snow stopped on friday for the most part

There are about 5 models that forecast Wx patterns. When they all agree on a solution then it's a very good bet what they are showing will happen. However, they hardly ever do this and that is why you got the two solution forecast. Add to that there was a very similar storm to hit the Denver area a week or two before and you can see why they were forecasting those conditions.

[DeanCollins]

Add to that there was a very similar storm to hit the Denver area a week or two before and you can see why they were forecasting those conditions.

that's why I got out of there. I saw the airport refugees from the earlier storm when we landed in Denver saturday dec 23. I see your point, better safe than.....

[Mad Mike]

Isn't anyone else scared that this man has weekly conference calls with Bush, and the president takes ANYTHING this lunatic says seriously?

This by the person who called me a liar. Care to back this up Chom, or were you just posting whatever poped into that tiny little head?

[Mad Mike]

Heh... I guess I'm going to have to change my sig. :laugh:

[redskins59]

What a psycho. I see no difference between Muslim and Christian fanatics. They're all the same.

[Coach Williams]

What a psycho. I see no difference between Muslim and Christian fanatics. They're all the same.

:doh: put a "fanatic" Christian and a shi'ite in the same room and see how comes out alive......

I'll give ya a hint one guy went in with a bomb..... :silly:

[Larry]

:doh: put a "fanatic" Christian and a shi'ite in the same room and see how comes out alive......

I'll give ya a hint one guy went in with a bomb..... :silly:

In which case, the odds of anybody coming out alive is . . . ?

:)

[prophet]

In which case, the odds of anybody coming out alive is . . . ?

:)
ewwww :)

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

:doh: put a "fanatic" Christian and a shi'ite in the same room and see how comes out alive......

I'll give ya a hint one guy went in with a bomb..... :silly:
Timothy McVeigh? Oh oh I know. Eric Rudolph? Am I close?

[ironmic]

Why does God only speak to him? and why does Gos only share his beliefs?

[Sarge]

Timothy McVeigh? Oh oh I know. Eric Rudolph? Am I close?

Name a few more. I can keep naming crazy muslims all day

[techboy]

Timothy McVeigh? Oh oh I know. Eric Rudolph? Am I close?

Not with Timothy McVeigh, you're not. Eric Rudolph at least called himself a Christian, but McVeigh was an agnostic (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200205/ai_n9113667).


Michel and Herbeck also tell how during the Gulf War McVeigh lied about attending church: "On Sunday mornings, the recruits were required to either attend church services or spend an hour cleaning the barracks. McVeigh, an agnostic, chose to clean the barracks until he found out that nobody took attendance at church. One Sunday, he signed up for church and just slipped away from the rest of his platoon. He found a field of tall grass and lay there, a little worried about snakes, but enjoying the opportunity to relax in solitude. The following Sunday, McVeigh signed up for church again. This time, he sneaked into an old abandoned barracks to kill time."

[Hooper]

It would be funny if... you know, so many people didn't listen to this guy.

[OrangeSkin]

What if he IS right. :paranoid:

[redskins59]

Name a few more. I can keep naming crazy muslims all day

I am no Christian, nor am I am a Muslim, but I do feel that Christianity has modernized itself. However, if you look at the history of Christianity, it has been just as brutal as Islam, if not more. One motivating factor for Europeans coming to North/South America, besides a lust for riches, was to convert the "noble savages". Look what that resulted in. Native Americans have essentially been wiped out in many territories. Christopher Columbus, for example, wanted to convert native Americans to Christianity. In Africa, there is a tug of war between Christians and Muslims.
So no, I do not think that Christians have been that "innocent", and there still are goofs like Pat Robertson running around. BTW, Christianity *was* indeed used in America by certain people to justify slavery.

[Sarge]

I am no Christian, nor am I am a Muslim, but I do feel that Christianity has modernized itself. However, if you look at the history of Christianity, it has been just as brutal as Islam, if not more. One motivating factor for Europeans coming to North/South America, besides a lust for riches, was to convert the "noble savages". Look what that resulted in. Native Americans have essentially been wiped out in many territories. Christopher Columbus, for example, wanted to convert native Americans to Christianity. In Africa, there is a tug of war between Christians and Muslims.
So no, I do not think that Christians have been that "innocent", and there still are goofs like Pat Robertson running around. BTW, Christianity *was* indeed used in America by certain people to justify slavery.


So name me some Christian nuts in recent history

[LightAgent]

This is a good thing actually for those who don't like him. He will finally be revealed as a false prophet, to the world and the church, if it doesn't come true.

If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18:22

Amen....I go to church but follow CHRIST

[PokerPacker]

So name me some Christian nuts in recent history
see: the title of this thread

[Sarge]

Heh... I guess I'm going to have to change my sig. :laugh:

Here's a new "after" pic

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2006/12/31/saddamap372ready.jpg

[redskins59]

So name me some Christian nuts in recent history

Are you sure you don't mean "White" Christian nuts? There are tons of Christian nuts in the world, it's just that most of these nuts just don't happen to be White. Why? Because people of European background happen to be affluent, and affluence makes people...well..peaceful. In Africa, for example, there are tons of Christian nuts running around. Now, can I name one in particular? Hell no. Why would a Christian-dominated media(and I'm talking about America) talk about a Christian nut in Africa? They simply don't. Our biggest enemy are fanatic Muslims, not fanatic Christians. So in essence, the media focuses on our enemy, which would be Muslim fanatics. However, ask Muslim Africans(and fanatic Muslim Africans are just as guilty, if not more) about Christian Africans, and they will name you a lot of Christian nuts. There is a religious war brewing in Africa, and Pat Robertson sure as hell likes to talk a lot about it.

[Sarge]

Are you sure you don't mean "White" Christian nuts? There are tons of Christian nuts in the world, it's just that most of these nuts just don't happen to be White. Why? Because people of European background happen to be affluent, and affluence makes people...well..peaceful. In Africa, for example, there are tons of Christian nuts running around. Now, can I name one in particular? Hell no. Why would a Christian-dominated media(and I'm talking about America) talk about a Christian nut in Africa? They simply don't. Our biggest enemy are fanatic Muslims, not fanatic Christians. So in essence, the media focuses on our enemy, which would be Muslim fanatics. However, ask Muslim Africans(and fanatic Muslim Africans are just as guilty, if not more) about Christian Africans, and they will name you a lot of Christian nuts. There is a religious war brewing in Africa, and Pat Robertson sure as hell likes to talk a lot about it.

It's the same war we're fighting. See Somalia. Islamist trying to wipe out Christians or anyone else they can't get along with, which is everyone that is not muslim

[redskins59]

Well, Muslims I think hold a grudge against Christians. I realize that it's time to move on, but as someone who doesn't have a religion, I feel that both sides are guilty, Muslims a lot more these days, but historically speaking, Christians have been just as horrible.
As I said, the Christianity of today is not the Christianity of the 15th century. But Christians convert people. By doing so, they *have* started rifts in various parts of the globe, where Christians are not the majority. Imagine this: a Christian area in a country full of non-Christians because of Christians converting people and all that. It has happened. So for example, if a country decides to kick out Christian missionaries because they have caused trouble, leaders in Europe and America start making a commotion. Don't they realize that proseletyzation(sp?) has not been good in many parts of the globe?

[JimboDaMan]

While Bush does meet and seek advice regularly from religious leaders, until recently including the unfortunate Reverend Ted, I highly doubt Robertson has been in close contact for a while. After meeting with Bush on the eve of the invasion he described the president as almost moronically smug, clueless, and insistent that we wouldn't suffer any casualties in the upcoming war. Not exactly the image our Commander in Chief wants to promote. Straight to the presidential doghouse, Pat.

[headexplode]

So name me some Christian nuts in recent history

Pat Robertson's a christian nut--he said he wanted to get a nuclear device into foggy bottom and that would solve most of our problems. Or it could've been Jerry Falwell, who also blamed 9/11 on lesbians and tofu-eating college students. Or George Bush, a religious nut who has the power to wage war and uses it indiscriminately. Or how about former judge roy moore. Or how about Rick Santorum. These guys are most certainly nuts, and all have stated their desire to spread Christianity to every man, woman and child alive. All of them, bats*** insane. I could name hundreds more if I had my little black book of Christian nuts, which is actually a four-book series.