Star Trek vs. Star Wars

[Mister Happy]

Simple Question.

Which is better? Star Trek or Star Wars?

[herrmag]

Star Wars.

[Teller]

Wars, no question.

[Park City Skins]

I'm a fan of both franchises. Both represent something different to me. And I can't be removed from on top of that fence on this one. :)

[PokerPacker]

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[TK]

Highlander.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Captain Picard.

[Park City Skins]

Highlander.
TK42MacLeod
:wtf:


:movefast:

[dg28daman]

Star Wars, with the exception of Rocky this is the greatest saga of all time.

[ashburnskinsfan]

I'm a fan of both franchises. Both represent something different to me. And I can't be removed from on top of that fence on this one. :)

Clearly, you don't know the power of the Dark Side.

[TK]

TK42MacLeod
:wtf:


:movefast:
There can be only one. :)

[AsburySkinsFan]

Star Wars, total no brainer. Star Wars was way to 60's utopian idealism, and tried to do to answer all life's questions in a 30 minute episode.

Star Wars on the other hand was the classic story of the revolutionary spirit set in outer space, plus what George Lucas did was so ground breaking that its equal will never be seen any time soon.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Who's fanbases have the bigger nerds is what I want to know.

[Midnight Judges]

Trekies are slightly bigger nerds.

[Park City Skins]

Star Wars, total no brainer. Star Wars was way to 60's utopian idealism, and tried to do to answer all life's questions in a 30 minute episode.

Star Wars on the other hand was the classic story of the revolutionary spirit set in outer space, plus what George Lucas did was so ground breaking that its equal will never be seen any time soon.


Going :geek: for a moment. Star Trek was 60's for sure and somewhat utopian in its idealism when portraying a version of the future. However, :geek:, it took on issues of the day and if it didn't answer them, it at least confronted them in a 60 minute episode.

Star Wars, all of that and more. :)

[Bang]

I never saw the total fascination in Star Wars.
i mean, the effects and all the neat weapons and Darth Vader are cool, but good grief that is about the corniest storyline ever. Not to mention the last 3 suffer from utterly atrocious acting, robots making 3 stooges comments that belong on a kid's lunchbox.. and don't even get me started on Ewoks.

it has such potential to be a really cool action adventure, and the first two movies were.. BIG time,, Empire Strikes Back is by far the best movie, Star Wars is also really good, but the other 4,, fergit it.
I swear, I went to Bowie to see the last one, made the special trip, hour+ drive to see it in a decent theatre,, and 15 minutes in I'm checking my watch.

Star Trek had it's share of corn, but overall their plots and storylines were always much more sci-fi oriented.. Granted they have the advantage of a couple hundred episodes worth of material between all of the shows.
Movie to movie, I prefer the Star Trek ones,, simply because the last four Star Wars all manage to be stupider than Star Trek 4, and that one was pretty damned stupid.

But, movie to movie, i'd say if i had to choose from all of them head to head,, Empire Strikes Back takes it for sheer action, followed by Wrath of Khan for the very same reason, and Star Trek I.. i love the V-Ger concept. Very smart sci-fi movie that was.

~Bang

[TK]

Who's fanbases have the bigger nerds is what I want to know.
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[Bang]

Addendum for AsburySkinsFan,,
Star Trek broke it's fair share of ground,, maybe not cinematically, but if you watch the shows within the context of the times in which they were made, it was the first show to portray all races cooperating, black women in positions of power, people of color elevated beyond the usual roles. As i recall one of the most revered scientists in Trek lore was Dr. Daystrom, and he was black, on NBC national prime time TV in 1966 in the role of the most brilliant man alive. Definitely groundbreaking.
they walked a lot of fine lines in those days.
The show had it's faults, sure, but without it, is there a Star Wars?

~Bang

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Who's fanbases have the bigger nerds is what I want to know.
Star Trek, although the whole Jedi relgion thing is pretty f'n nerdy.

Edit: I just thought about what's more nerdy a Jedi religion or an actual Klingon language being learned and used. I think I'm going to have a stroke.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Going :geek: for a moment. Star Trek was 60's for sure and somewhat utopian in its idealism when portraying a version of the future. However, :geek:, it took on issues of the day and if it didn't answer them, it at least confronted them in a 60 minute episode.

Star Wars, all of that and more. :)

Yeah, but the space ships on Star Wars were much better! LOL, touche though.

[Riggo-toni]

Star Wars: 2 Great Movies, 2 mediocre movies, 2 awful movies
Star Trek: 1 Great movie, 2 very good movies, another pretty good movie, plus some mediocre movies, 2 great TV series, 3 mediocre TV series.

Star Trek wins.

[No_Pressure]

Indiana Jones wins because he has a bull whip and fights Nazis.

[Merlin Emrys]

Overall, I think its Star Trek. You have to look at the entire body of work. Star Trek has been more consistent throughout a longer time period and a much larger body of work. Star Wars, on the otherhand, is more inconsistent. Episode I was awful, as was the first 3/4 of Episode II. Espisode III and Empire were excellent. The other two were solid.

[grhqofb5]

My god, we have nerds at ES. Keep it in the closet guys.:laugh:

[TK]

My god, we have nerds at ES.
How do you think ES was started? Magic dust? Wish & a prayer? Computer 'nerds' that love the Redskins enough to teach themselves enough to construct this place?

[grhqofb5]

How do you think ES was started? Magic dust? Wish & a prayer? Computer 'nerds' that love the Redskins enough to teach themselves enough to construct this place?

Whatever, you guys aren't nerds. I'm not sure I can even define that term anymore.

[TK]

Whatever, you guys aren't nerds. I'm not sure I can even define that term anymore.
You have NO idea where 'TK' came from, do ya? :silly:

[iheartskins]

Interesting points Bang--hadn't considered some of those before.

[grhqofb5]

You have NO idea where 'TK' came from, do ya? :silly:

Tha Kid?? Some other hard core lingo?? Maybe Tupac's Killa? Are you the one? Is it time you had a talk with the Los Angelos PD?

[PokerPacker]

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[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

I hadn't thought of ESB as an "action" movie, Bang.

I agree with some of your points but I think you touched on a fundamental difference in Star Wars and Star Trek.

Star Trek is actually sci-fi. Star Wars is a fantasy series built on Campbell's interpretation of mythological themes and Jungian psychology.

Both serve a purpose but I tend to think Star Wars moves people spiritually a little more (even if much of that is attributable to post-modern search for meaning in an old set of beliefs dressed up in a new package.)

[RedskinzOwnU]

Both were great until too many were made. Episodes 4, 5 and 6 of Star Wars are fantastic. Episodes 1, 2 and 3 are the biggest steaming piles of crap and would have ruined the entire franchise for me if I did not love the original trilogy so much. I have been forced to forget that Episodes I-III even exist in order to still enjoy the trilogy.

As for star trek, the original series and next generation were great, but it started to go downhill after that.

[RedskinzOwnU]

TK IV-II-I? ;)
when did you change it to just TK anyways?

It's the storm trooper whose uniform was stolen by luke in episode 4. I've seen those damn movies too many times... Not sure why he latched onto the name but he probably changed it so people would stop asking him what it was - just a guess.

[Major Harris]

The show had it's faults, sure, but without it, is there a Star Wars?

~Bang

even though i hate star trek, HATE it, you made some good points. but this? please.


star wars all the way.

and i, ii, and iii aren't nearly as bad as everyone is making them out to be.

[codeorama]

Star Wars, no question... and Episodes 1, 2 and 3 were awesome IMO... I think 3 was the single best movie of the six.

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[Major Harris]

they are worse then bad, they're horrible and don't even follow correctly. in episode 3, padme dies, which isn't possible because in return of the jedi, leia claims to have known her mother.

Lucas really ****ed up I II and III


not to get in a nerd debate, but she claims to have faint recollections. padme died after she named leia. leia has the force, so her memory isn't normal.


i think episodes i, ii, and iii suffer from a couple things, not the least of which is people having warped memories of the first three, thinking that they were some cinematic masterpieces with wonderful acting, perhaps due to the fact that most of us were small children when we watched them.

i actually went back and watched episode i recently, which i hated the most. but if you can ignore jar jar, it's not that bad. it just had a lot of story to tell. now, what i hate the most is the first 2/3 of episode ii.

i will also say this....episode v was always my favorite before episode iii, now it's a toss up. but i firmly believe that had lucas stuck to the original plans of wookies instead of ewoks, episode vi would have been the best, no contest. i don't buy into all the "action" of ESB, because it was more about luke's training than anything else. far more action in jedi. esb is best because of the story. the bomb being dropped that vader is luke's father. luke gets his hand cut off. han gets frozen in carbonite. it ends on a down note. and that's what life is, a series of down notes. [/randall rant]

[ozskin]

What is wrong with the world when this question has to even be asked. Star Wars by 13 lengths.

[Sarge]

You have NO idea where 'TK' came from, do ya? :silly:

Tell him the story.

And BTW, Capt Kirk kicks all ass, Darth VAder included :D

[Larry]

Yeah, but the space ships on Star Wars were much better! LOL, touche though.

Oh, come on. I'd give both shows poor marks on that score.

To me, the first movie with (IMO) realistic-looking spaceships was 2001. The "most realistic space fighters" I've seen were in Babylon 5.

Most Hollywood folks who show space fighters show airplanes. (Heck, a lot of them even have wings.) When spaceships turn to the right, they don't bank. And they don't always fly in the direction the nose is pointing. (The shuttle spends most of it's time flying "upside down" and "backwards".)

(Then again, spaceships don't go "woosh" when they fly past the camera, either.)

:)

[Larry]

You have NO idea where 'TK' came from, do ya? :silly:

Neither do I. (Yes, that's an invitation.)

Edit: Never mind. (Note: Keep reading before replying.)

[McMetal]

Are you kidding? Star Wars DESTROYS Star Trek in practically every way.

ST is just laughably bad...look at the costumes, the soap opera acting - it's total camp.

SW has a lot of flaws, but at its best it is sweeping and epic.

I think a better question is Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. Now THAT's a debate.

[Sarge]

they are worse then bad, they're horrible and don't even follow correctly. in episode 3, padme dies, which isn't possible because in return of the jedi, leia claims to have known her mother.

Lucas really ****ed up I II and III

And see, if Kirk had known Padme, he would have banged her and she never would have had Luke and Lea, thus leaving the entire Star Wars universe in the hands of the empire :D

[Bang]

ST is just laughably bad...look at the costumes, the soap opera acting - it's total camp.


Ok, so when Imperial Robots walk in and find Obi Wan and start acting like the 3 stooges,, when a robot is even programmed at ALL to say "oops".... when a nefarious robot villain has a chronic COUGH...
This isn't camp?

Come on now.

After Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back, it's nothing BUT camp.

~Bang

[McMetal]

they are worse then bad, they're horrible and don't even follow correctly. in episode 3, padme dies, which isn't possible because in return of the jedi, leia claims to have known her mother.

Lucas really ****ed up I II and III

Did you ever stop to consider her memory was of Bail Organa's wife, her "foster" mother?

Leia never had any idea who her true mother was. Her memories would all have been about growing up with her adopted family on Alderaan.

There are much more glaring continuity errors, but we needn't revisit them all here.

[Henry]

I am a full-fledged sci fi geek. I love both Star Wars and Star Trek. I have all six original SW movie posters adorning the walls of my basement, right across from the bookshelf containing every Star Trek: The Next Generation episode on tape.

When it comes to all-things scifi, there's Star Wars, Star Trek and everything else. The two of them simply define the genre. It's like discussing the Beatles vs. the Stones.

My vote, though, goes to Star Wars. Star Trek had been cancelled and forgotten for over a decade and was collecting dust on some TV executive's shelf when SW came out. Then suddenly everyone loved it. Not every movie in the SW series is perfect, but few things in this world are. It's close, but SW gets my vote.

[Larry]

There are much more glaring continuity errors, but we needn't revisit them all here.

(But don't worry. Lucas will fix them in Star Wars 4.6, the Special Revised Producers Expanded Edition, which will be released in 2011. In a special format that can only be read by Microsoft subscribers, and will only allow people to watch the movie for two years, and then they'll have to buy it again. (By which time, Star Wars 4.71 should be available.))

[McMetal]

Ok, so when Imperial Robots walk in and find Obi Wan and start acting like the 3 stooges,, when a robot is even programmed at ALL to say "oops".... when a nefarious robot villain has a chronic COUGH...
This isn't camp?

Come on now.

After Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back, it's nothing BUT camp.

~Bang

Yes, there was some tiresome schtick in the most recent three movies, but when people talk about Star Wars I invariably visualize the original trilogy.

It's more my point that ST has not aged well. It seems really hokey and dated by today's standards.

And I totally disagree with you about Grievous' cough. That was mondo-cool. If you watched the Clone Wars animated series on Cartoon Network, you'll recall that it was Mace Windu who inflicted that injury on Grievous, collapsing his protective chest armor with a vicious Force-blow just as Grievous was escaping the capitol with Palpatine. Also, although this is extra-canonical, Grievous was NOT a robot but a cyborg created from a living human soldier. Hence the exposed organs Obi-Wan noticed during their battle.

God, I'm a geek.

[SkinsOrlando]

I like both, Star Wars is classic but Trek and Next Gen are classic as well.

[G-Prime]

Yes, there was some tiresome schtick in the most recent three movies, but when people talk about Star Wars I invariably visualize the original trilogy.

It's more my point that ST has not aged well. It seems really hokey and dated by today's standards.

And I totally disagree with you about Grievous' cough. That was mondo-cool. If you watched the Clone Wars animated series on Cartoon Network, you'll recall that it was Mace Windu who inflicted that injury on Grievous, collapsing his protective chest armor with a vicious Force-blow just as Grievous was escaping the capitol with Palpatine. Also, although this is extra-canonical, Grievous was NOT a robot but a cyborg created from a living human soldier. Hence the exposed organs Obi-Wan noticed during their battle.

God, I'm a geek.

Looking forward to the TV show and the supposed next gen game where you play as a fresh Sith Lord Vader, hunting down and killing the remaining scattered Jedi.

Will definately have to pic up the animated series on DVD if it's out. I feel like I missed a lot of story there

[Bang]

God, I'm a geek.


:laugh: :laugh:

Ain't it grand, tho?

man, I used to own a comic book shop,,, i learned a long time ago that geeks are some very interesting people.

I'm glad and proud to count myself among their ranks!

~Bang

[Zen-like Todd]

Apples and Oranges. Star Trek was actually classic sci-fi ala Twilight Zone, Star Wars was a space opera. Both are better at being what they were. Those who dismiss Star Trek as hokey don't really understand sci-fi.

[jrockster21]

The show had it's faults, sure, but without it, is there a Star Wars?

~Bang


Star Wars had plenty of other influences, some of which were stronger than Star Trek. For example the novel Dune; a couple of the concepts of that novel are blatantly stolen in Star Wars. The Jedi Mind Trick = The Voice, the Sand People = the Fremen, and there are probably more that I can't think of at the moment.

EDIT: Comparisons can be made also of Darth Vader to the Baron von Harkonnen; both evil men who need machinery to be mobile...

So yes; without Star Trek there is definitely still Star Wars. Would it have been as good? I think yes...

[EersSkins05]

I was too young to have seen Star Wars, ESB, or ROTJ in the theater. I just grew up watching it on HBO, on tape/dvd, etc. Much like Rocky, I caught up with the series as I grew up, and it became one of my favorite storylines.

Similarly, I was too young to ever really watch Star Trek. By the time I was old enough to understand it, the original series was almost 30 years old. I DID, however, have the chance to get into The Next Generation, which I always thoroughly enjoyed.

That said, if it's just generic Star Wars vs. Star Trek, I vote Star Wars. But if it's Star Wars vs. The Next Generation, I abstain.

(By the way, for my money, the movie "First Contact" is every bit as good as any of the Star Wars movies. Heresy, I know.)

[jrockster21]

Ok, so when Imperial Robots walk in and find Obi Wan and start acting like the 3 stooges,, when a robot is even programmed at ALL to say "oops".... when a nefarious robot villain has a chronic COUGH...
This isn't camp?

The nefarious robot villain was a cyborg, from my understanding. Part human/part robot; it was the human part that had a "cough." Although you're right; it didn't work very well...



After Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back, it's nothing BUT camp.

~Bang

There is a lot of camp...Ewoks = the definition of campiness. :laugh:

[DarkLadyRaven]

Did you ever stop to consider her memory was of Bail Organa's wife, her "foster" mother?

Leia never had any idea who her true mother was. Her memories would all have been about growing up with her adopted family on Alderaan.

There are much more glaring continuity errors, but we needn't revisit them all here.

Star Trek has alot more continuity errors especially in the latter series, My non trekker friend was able to notice them in Star Trek Voyager and of course Enterprise was a giant error.

As for star wars, It is not a futures tale-- It takes place in a glaxay far far away in time long ago. So essentialy since all humans come from earth-- there are no humans in star wars, period. Its a fanatsy tale to me.

[Zguy28]

I voted Star Wars, just because of the Force and the Lightsabers. I love both though.

Wouldn't you just love to see a Star Destroyer going up against the Enterprise-E?:geek:

[Major Harris]

There is a lot of camp...Ewoks = the definition of campiness. :laugh:


man, did lucas shoot himself in the foot with the ewoks over wookies decision.....

[Air Force Cane]

interestingly enough- you could make the case that the first Star Wars and Star Trek movies were very good. I give them both a 7.

but the second ones in each series were the best. definite 9.

all the rest were pretty lame. interesting that in both cases the second was the coolest. also the heroes "died" in both second movies- only to come back to life in the third.

anyone notice that before?

[jrockster21]

interestingly enough- you could make the case that the first Star Wars and Star Trek movies were very good. I give them both a 7.

but the second ones in each series were the best. definite 9.

all the rest were pretty lame. interesting that in both cases the second was the coolest. also the heroes "died" in both second movies- only to come back to life in the third.

anyone notice that before?


Obi-Wan died in the first movie...I take it that's who you're referring too...

EDIT: First movie meaning episode III

[Zguy28]

Obi-Wan died in the first movie...I take it that's who you're referring too...Or maybe Han Solo, although he didn't really die...

[Air Force Cane]

no- I said that they came back to life in the third..

I was referring to Han Solo and Spock who were both "sacrificed" and then brought back in the next movie..

[Major Harris]

Obi-Wan died in the first movie...I take it that's who you're referring too...

EDIT: First movie meaning episode III

2nd edit:

first move meaning episode iv. ;)

[FrFan]

I hadn't thought of ESB as an "action" movie, Bang.

I agree with some of your points but I think you touched on a fundamental difference in Star Wars and Star Trek.

Star Trek is actually sci-fi. Star Wars is a fantasy series built on Campbell's interpretation of mythological themes and Jungian psychology.

Both serve a purpose but I tend to think Star Wars moves people spiritually a little more (even if much of that is attributable to post-modern search for meaning in an old set of beliefs dressed up in a new package.)

I agree, both are great to watch in their own category. My winner is Star Trek, the only thing that sucks is the pajama party.

[Bang]

I hadn't thought of ESB as an "action" movie, Bang.

I agree with some of your points but I think you touched on a fundamental difference in Star Wars and Star Trek.

Star Trek is actually sci-fi. Star Wars is a fantasy series built on Campbell's interpretation of mythological themes and Jungian psychology.

Both serve a purpose but I tend to think Star Wars moves people spiritually a little more (even if much of that is attributable to post-modern search for meaning in an old set of beliefs dressed up in a new package.)


Neat ideas.. I always look at the plot of Star wars and say "this is the most over-used and hackneyed Dungeons and Dragons premise ever." In fact, I'd bet they came up with a lot of it playing those games in college.

In terms of Empire Strikes Back as an action movie,, i don't really look at it as an Action film in regards to that genre... I just meant that for sheer action and excitement, that one blows all of the movies being discussed here out of the quadrant.

~Bang

[Prosperity]

I don't really like either but I won't change the channel. Star Trek has more interesting plot, and star wars has better special effects. I'll go with Star Trek. Star Wars isn't even sci-fi it is fantasy. Therefore you should compare Star Wars to Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings wins that battle easily.

[GibbsFactor]

Comparing Star Wars to Star Trek isn’t the easiest thing to do as one is pure Sci-Fi and the other is Fantasy based in a Sci-Fi setting. Star Wars had a clear direction which was to show and define the fall of a republic to an empire and the peoples rebellion to gain back said republic. Along the way, we meet special Jedi and intriguing characters but the story is not based in our universe. Some of the acting and a lot of the dialogue were awful in the prequels but if you were to forget what you knew of the original trilogy and watched all 6 in order, I think you would find this story really is epic. Hopefully it will be re-done one day as the story and plots could be rivaled with some of the greatest of our time.

Star Trek is much more Sci-Fi based and set in our universe many years into the future. Having said that, there are certain characteristics Star Trek needed that Star Wars did not. Star Trek never seemed as epic as Star Wars to me and really centered around a small group of the universe, those on the Enterprise. Star Trek is more of a “beginning” tale that would have to had take place many thousands of years before Star Wars would have happened due to the general differences in exploration the two shows had.

For your money, the best Sci-Fi TV show, maybe ever and one of the best pure drama’s on TV right now is Battlestar Galactica. Talk about a show that references real world issues no other entertainment is doing, including suicide bombers, occupation, to other issues ranging from abortion to politics.

[codeorama]

not to get in a nerd debate, but she claims to have faint recollections. padme died after she named leia. leia has the force, so her memory isn't normal.


i think episodes i, ii, and iii suffer from a couple things, not the least of which is people having warped memories of the first three, thinking that they were some cinematic masterpieces with wonderful acting, perhaps due to the fact that most of us were small children when we watched them.

i actually went back and watched episode i recently, which i hated the most. but if you can ignore jar jar, it's not that bad. it just had a lot of story to tell. now, what i hate the most is the first 2/3 of episode ii.

i will also say this....episode v was always my favorite before episode iii, now it's a toss up. but i firmly believe that had lucas stuck to the original plans of wookies instead of ewoks, episode vi would have been the best, no contest. i don't buy into all the "action" of ESB, because it was more about luke's training than anything else. far more action in jedi. esb is best because of the story. the bomb being dropped that vader is luke's father. luke gets his hand cut off. han gets frozen in carbonite. it ends on a down note. and that's what life is, a series of down notes. [/randall rant]

Great post... If the ewoks were replaced by wookies as it was originally intended... VI would have by FAR been the best episode. I have always hated the Ewoks, even more than Jar Jar.

[EersSkins05]

Therefore you should compare Star Wars to Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings wins that battle easily.

Yeah, if you like gay hobbits.

ZING!!

[PokerPacker]

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[G-Prime]

Star Wars.. winner

http://www.kristensen.us/2002/star_wars_celebration2/images/meeting_celebs/carrie_fisher_slave_girl.jpg

[borninblood]

Star Wars is ok if you like turning your brain off while watching your sci-fi ;)


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Youcan't even compare that ^^^^^ to this VVVVVVV


http://www.vidiot.com/st-voy/images/VOY97101.jpg

[Baculus]

TOS or any of the newer series?

I originally thought this was a "Which would win in a fight - the Federation (and other empires/systems) or the Empire," in which I would reply that "the Galactic Empire would crush the Federation, or even the Borg."

Maybe not "Q," or that old dude that can make entire Civilizations disappear. (Was he part of the Q Continium as well?)

I think I digressed.

[Blighty Skins]

if it wasn't episodes 1 2 and 3, i'd be more inclined towards star wars, but he really ruined his franchise with those.

I agree!

[borninblood]

I think I digressed.


You don't know? ;)

[G-Prime]

Star Wars had plenty of other influences, some of which were stronger than Star Trek. For example the novel Dune; a couple of the concepts of that novel are blatantly stolen in Star Wars. The Jedi Mind Trick = The Voice, the Sand People = the Fremen, and there are probably more that I can't think of at the moment.

EDIT: Comparisons can be made also of Darth Vader to the Baron von Harkonnen; both evil men who need machinery to be mobile...

So yes; without Star Trek there is definitely still Star Wars. Would it have been as good? I think yes...

Vader doesn't need machinery to be mobile exactly, he needs it to breath or else he'd die ;p.

[G-Prime]

I voted Star Wars, just because of the Force and the Lightsabers. I love both though.

Wouldn't you just love to see a Star Destroyer going up against the Enterprise-E?:geek:

The true star trek geeks will tell you that the Star Destroyers turbo lasers would be ineffective against the type of sheilds the Enterprise's employed. :rolleyes:

[G-Prime]

Star Wars is ok if you like turning your brain off while watching your sci-fi ;)


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Youcan't even compare that ^^^^^ to this VVVVVVV


http://www.vidiot.com/st-voy/images/VOY97101.jpg

Dude she's fully clothed. That ain't right

[Pedro]

As a movie series Star Wars, as a fantasy 7 of 9.

[jrockster21]

Vader doesn't need machinery to be mobile exactly, he needs it to breath or else he'd die ;p.

If you are dead, you cannot be mobile. If he does not have the machinery, he will die. Therefore, he needs machinery to be mobile. :nana:

[G-Prime]

If you are dead, you cannot be mobile. If he does not have the machinery, he will die. Therefore, he needs machinery to be mobile. :nana:

well.. yeah. but hmmm

[McMetal]

Why do people keep posting that Star Wars isn't sci-fi? That's ludicrous.

Spaceships - check.
Robots - check.
Aliens - check.

A better example of a "non-sci fi" sci-fi movie would be something like Serenity. I don't want to see anything set in the future that doesn't have aliens in it, unless it's "Blade Runner".

[Zguy28]

TOS or any of the newer series?

I originally thought this was a "Which would win in a fight - the Federation (and other empires/systems) or the Empire," in which I would reply that "the Galactic Empire would crush the Federation, or even the Borg."

Maybe not "Q," or that old dude that can make entire Civilizations disappear. (Was he part of the Q Continium as well?)

I think I digressed.Wasn't he a Dowd?


The true star trek geeks will tell you that the Star Destroyers turbo lasers would be ineffective against the type of sheilds the Enterprise's employed. :rolleyes:Oh. Right. Gotta love the Ion Cannons though. :)

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/IonCannon.jpg

[GibbsFactor]

Star Wars is ok if you like turning your brain off while watching your sci-fi ;)


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Youcan't even compare that ^^^^^ to this VVVVVVV


http://www.vidiot.com/st-voy/images/VOY97101.jpg

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/triciahelfer_cotd1.jpg

WINNER! Good ole 6!

[Park City Skins]

:geek: :geek: :geek: :cool: :)

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[Prosperity]

If Firefly wasn't canceled...

[PokerPacker]

If Firefly wasn't canceled...
yeah... i got the whole DVD collection as a present a few months ago. i had never heard of it before and now i am upset that there aren't any more for me to watch. someone i knew saw the DVDs lying out when he came over and he told me that they did everything they could to make it flop. they constantly changed when it was showed, and showed the episodes out of order.

another show that got cancelled was Odyssey 5. it was a show on showtime about astronaughts that blasted off from earth, and the planet blew up behind them. they drifted in space until a mechanical being (that had been monitoring the phenomenon of planets spontaniously exploding) came along and sent their concienceness back 5 years into the past before the explosion happened so they could go back and prevent it from happening.

[G-Prime]

:geek: :geek: :geek: :cool: :)

http://www.st-minutiae.com/misc/comparison.gif


Well I guess if the lasers didn't work, the STD could just run into the Enterprise with minimal damage

[Prosperity]

yeah... i got the whole DVD collection as a present a few months ago. i had never heard of it before and now i am upset that there aren't any more for me to watch. someone i knew saw the DVDs lying out when he came over and he told me that they did everything they could to make it flop. they constantly changed when it was showed, and showed the episodes out of order.

another show that got cancelled was Odyssey 5. it was a show on showtime about astronaughts that blasted off from earth, and the planet blew up behind them. they drifted in space until a mechanical being (that had been monitoring the phenomenon of planets spontaniously exploding) came along and sent their concienceness back 5 years into the past before the explosion happened so they could go back and prevent it from happening.

Man, I am still kind of pissed about the whole thing. Its like Fox hates good things. Was the show too witty, funny, original, and interesting for them? It had to be. I think they canceled it after only 2 episodes. Damn them.

[PokerPacker]

Man, I am still kind of pissed about the whole thing. Its like Fox hates good things. Was the show too witty, funny, original, and interesting for them? It had to be. I think they canceled it after only 2 episodes. Damn them.
i guess you're one of the people who got screwed up by the odd airdates. i have the DVDs on me. there were a total of 14 episodes.

here's the order they were aired:

episode 2
Episode 3
episode 6
episode 7
episode 8
episode 4
episode 5
episode 9
episode 10
episode 14
episode 1

unaired:
episodes 11, 12, and 13

[Park City Skins]

Well I guess if the lasers didn't work, the STD could just run into the Enterprise with minimal damage
Sort of like a fly on the windshield.


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Star Wars vs...........



Conan.





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Okay. So I just spent the past few hours watching both the movies. :geek:

[G-Prime]

Not sure if those proportions are correct.. I mean in Jedi, didn't an A-wing crash into the bridge of a "Super Star Destroyer".. According to those pics and judging from the movie, the Enterprise is only slightly bigger then an A-Wing? ;p

[PokerPacker]

Not sure if those proportions are correct.. I mean in Jedi, didn't an A-wing crash into the bridge of a "Super Star Destroyer".. According to those pics and judging from the movie, the Enterprise is only slightly bigger then an A-Wing? ;p
then something's wrong. the A-wing is a single person aircraft closer in size to a shuttle craft.

[Sticksboi05]

Star Trek.....blah.... Star Wars wins hands down imo.

[Sticksboi05]

Star Wars, with the exception of Rocky this is the greatest saga of all time.

Star Wars is much better then Rocky. Rocky had two-three good movies, then it got old. Star Wars is a continuing story not just new fights.

[PokerPacker]

Star Wars is much better then Rocky. Rocky had two-three good movies, then it got old. Star Wars is a continuing story not just new fights.
yeah? what's your point? star wars also only had 2-3 good movies.

[cmorina69]

Star wars, star trek is nerdy.

[panel]

Who's fanbases have the bigger nerds is what I want to know.
Now THIS is a debat worth investingating!

Star Wars fans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFazQ0yjBbE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMspC-Whozc
Star Trek fans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9VV1P8KBSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRrixmAk6B0

Spoofs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ioQwExS4hA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkbw04cDdIU

I'm not seeing a clear cut winner.

[Major Harris]

yeah? what's your point? star wars also only had 2-3 good movies.
not in the minds of many.