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HeHateMe
February-4th-2007, 09:34 PM
If anyone wasnt convinced already regarding Grossman's ineptitude at the QB position before todays game, I think you should be now.

In light of this, how quickly until the rumors start flying of Garcia to the Bears?

I havent heard a darn thing yet, but you know its coming.

Combining his impressive work with that Eagles offense and Grossman's disasterous performance in the biggest game for the Bears in 20 years, and you cant help but think Chicago would love to have Garcia behind center.

Thoughts?
DWinzit
February-4th-2007, 09:49 PM
They have Griese already on their roster. They also have Kyle Orton who although not flashy did a great job for them last season. I'd say Garcia ends up in a different city!
kevin11
February-4th-2007, 09:57 PM
They have Griese already on their roster. They also have Kyle Orton who although not flashy did a great job for them last season. I'd say Garcia ends up in a different city!
Griese sucks and Orton is a 3rd string. They are going have to make run with a good QB before their defense gets old and weak.
DWinzit
February-4th-2007, 09:59 PM
Griese sucks and Orton is a 3rd string. They are going have to make run with a good QB before their defense gets old and weak.
So you think 36+ year old Garcia is the choice?
RedskinzOwnU
February-4th-2007, 10:07 PM
The team is ready to compete. More so than any other team. All they need is a competent QB and maybe another WR.
Warhead36
February-4th-2007, 10:14 PM
Do the Bears run the West Coast? I guess it's tough to tell with Grossman firing away at defensive players. :laugh:
kevin11
February-4th-2007, 10:15 PM
So you think 36+ year old Garcia is the choice?Or maybe a younger guy? But, GArcia was playing like a 19 year old. They need him and maybe to draft a young guy.
HEavyJumbo85
February-4th-2007, 10:20 PM
No chance they pick up jeff. He's a West Coast QB and that is IT. He's played in a regular offense in Cleveland and blew, and well his West Coast stint in Detroit was marred by injuries and Mariucci eventually getting fired. Either way you look at it, the guy doesn't have the arm to play in any scheme outside of the West coast. He has that leadership quality, but it'd be too much of a transition for him to learn a new system. He's a system qb at his age, that's it, he's staying in Philly.
DWinzit
February-5th-2007, 05:49 AM
No chance they pick up jeff. He's a West Coast QB and that is IT. He's played in a regular offense in Cleveland and blew, and well his West Coast stint in Detroit was marred by injuries and Mariucci eventually getting fired.
So he'd be perfect for Norv to bring into Dallas!:laugh:
stwasm
February-5th-2007, 06:25 AM
Or maybe the Bears could make a play for Donovan McNabb?
Fred Jones
February-5th-2007, 06:47 AM
I agree that Garcia is a system QB at this stage in his career. It would be best for him if he goes to a club that runs the WCO. He doesn't need to take a year learning a new offense.

Concerning the Bears, Rex and Griese are both backup caliber QB's at best. The Bears need to bring in a quality vet and hopefully draft a QB for the future if they want to win next year and beyond.
skinsblitz
February-5th-2007, 08:12 AM
Garcia is a system QB. If he doesn't stay in Philly, he'd be better served to go to a West Coast Offense team. Minnesota or Tampa Bay come to mind. I think Grossman has a least 1 more year to get on the right track. It wasn't totally his fault last night in the SB, but he sure didn't help the offense out with his poor decisions.


As far as Garcia goes, I believe he will stay in Philly. Hopefully it's the start of a great QB controversy that we as 'Skins fans can fully enjoy. Because if any group of fans can appreciate a good QB controversy, it's us. :D
:eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck
Grimm
February-5th-2007, 09:12 AM
The Bears need to do something, they have everything in place but the QB, I would like to see Orton get a chance, but I think the have to go after a verteran this offseason.
Number5
February-5th-2007, 10:47 AM
Garcia will be an Eagle. He was on Sports Final last night and basically said that "he doesn't want to leave just so he can start somewhere else and start all over because he isn't as young as he used to be". Jeff also stated that "re-signing with the team is his first choice."
Who Del
February-5th-2007, 11:54 AM
Would be the dumbest move the Bears could make
Number5
February-5th-2007, 12:20 PM
Would be the dumbest move the Bears could make


Actually starting Grossman the 4th quarter last night was the dumbest move by the Bears...
Oliphant
February-5th-2007, 12:39 PM
Garcia will be an Eagle. He was on Sports Final last night and basically said that "he doesn't want to leave just so he can start somewhere else and start all over because he isn't as young as he used to be". Jeff also stated that "re-signing with the team is his first choice."

Was that Sports Final in Philadelphia? 'Cause if it is let's think about this for a second. Garcia telling the Philly sports show that the Eagles are his first choice. What else would he say? When he was the nationally televised Leno show a couple weeks ago he sang a different tune. Put him on Minneapolis Sports Final and he says how much he loves Childress and the color purple.
Who Del
February-5th-2007, 12:42 PM
Oliphant is the new one trick pony around here.

At least tr1 focuses on the Cowboys and Giants, too.
Bostic Hog
February-5th-2007, 12:54 PM
Garcia will be an Eagle. He was on Sports Final last night and basically said that "he doesn't want to leave just so he can start somewhere else and start all over because he isn't as young as he used to be". Jeff also stated that "re-signing with the team is his first choice."

Do you think that Garcia will have the eagles as his "first choice" if the offer from the Eagles is one-half to one-third what some other teams may offer for him to be a starter? I think he's gone.
Number5
February-5th-2007, 12:59 PM
Was that Sports Final in Philadelphia? 'Cause if it is let's think about this for a second. Garcia telling the Philly sports show that the Eagles are his first choice. What else would he say? When he was the nationally televised Leno show a couple weeks ago he sang a different tune. Put him on Minneapolis Sports Final and he says how much he loves Childress and the color purple.


Interesting that you mentioned Leno. Didn't he come out with tons of Eagles stuff and when Leno asked him, he said that "The Eagles are his first choice, but he was willing to listen to other teams, but the Eagles were his first choice?"

Even though he did state he would "shop his services" he has stated that he wants to stay as long as he is treated fairly.
Bostic Hog
February-5th-2007, 01:02 PM
Interesting that you mentioned Leno. Didn't he come out with tons of Eagles stuff and when Leno asked him, he said that "The Eagles are his first choice, but he was willing to listen to other teams, but the Eagles were his first choice?"

Even though he did state he would "shop his services" he has stated that he wants to stay as long as he is treated fairly.

N5 ... do you really think he'll stay if another team offers him starting money and the Eagles don't? (which, fair enough, they likely will not).
OWUeagleMD
February-5th-2007, 01:05 PM
N5 ... do you really think he'll stay if another team offers him starting money and the Eagles don't? (which, fair enough, they likely will not).

It depends on which team comes calling with a big offer. Minnesota or Chicago, or Miami? Sure, I could see him wantning to start for a team like that. After his time in Cleveland and Detroit, though, I don't think he would put himself back in that position, simply so he can be referred to as a starting QB.

We'll see in less than a month.
Number5
February-5th-2007, 01:11 PM
Do you think that Garcia will have the eagles as his "first choice" if the offer from the Eagles is one-half to one-third what some other teams may offer for him to be a starter? I think he's gone.


Nope.....but I also think the FO respect what he did for the team and community. While he can get starters money elsewhere, Garcia has stated it's not about the money, but rather about feeling comfortable and having a chance to win. Why leave a team and city that loves and respect you for a payday with a team that could potentially be a bottom feeder? He already did that twice (Cleveland and Detriot) and last I checked, his name isn't E. James!
Bostic Hog
February-5th-2007, 01:24 PM
Nope.....but I also think the FO respect what he did for the team and community. While he can get starters money elsewhere, Garcia has stated it's not about the money, but rather about feeling comfortable and having a chance to win. Why leave a team and city that loves and respect you for a payday with a team that could potentially be a bottom feeder? He already did that twice (Cleveland and Detriot) and last I checked, his name isn't E. James!

It's always about the money.
OWUeagleMD
February-5th-2007, 01:27 PM
It's always about the money.

It's usually about the money.
Fred Jones
February-5th-2007, 01:39 PM
It's usually about the money.

I have to agree that in this case it is not all about the money. I don't think teams other than the WCO will come calling offering big money to Garcia. However, if MN comes and offers more than the Birds FO I think he is gone. Tampa would have to offer a little more to get him. If teams are not offering that much more than the Birds he will stay.

I think he goes to MN because they have no one and will offer more than the cheap birds to get him.
Number5
February-5th-2007, 01:43 PM
It's always about the money.

Trotter took less $ to stay with the Eagles. Kansas City offered him a boat load of cash. Runyan took less money to stay with the team as well. The NY Jets offered him a bunch last season.

E. James took the money and ran to the Cards only to watch the playoffs from home for the first time since he was at the "U". Matter fact, he watched a player who makes what, 12 million less almost win MVP.
Fred Jones
February-5th-2007, 01:45 PM
Trotter took less $ to stay with the Eagles. Kansas City offered him a boat load of cash. Runyan took less money to stay with the team as well. The NY Jets offered him a bunch last season.

E. James took the money and ran to the Cards only to watch the playoffs from home for the first time since he was at the "U". Matter fact, he watched a player who makes what, 12 million less almost win MVP.


Hey a guy needs his retirement money.
Bostic Hog
February-5th-2007, 01:49 PM
Trotter took less $ to stay with the Eagles. Kansas City offered him a boat load of cash. Runyan took less money to stay with the team as well. The NY Jets offered him a bunch last season.

E. James took the money and ran to the Cards only to watch the playoffs from home for the first time since he was at the "U". Matter fact, he watched a player who makes what, 12 million less almost win MVP.

I understand those cases mentioned. But the difference here is BIG $$$$. The difference between starting QB money and back-up money is likely to be HUGE !! The other cases mentioned the money was not that big of a difference. In the Garcia case, it very likely will be a very large difference.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't really care ... he's a back-up QB. But its still fun to debate.
RedskinzOwnU
February-5th-2007, 02:00 PM
Moves the bears should consider:

Trade #1 pick for Schaub. The bears only have holes in two spots: Wide Receiver and QB. They aren't going to fill either with the 31st pick - Schaub is the answer.

Otherwise, they should seriously look into plummer (not ideal, but he'll get the job done) or Huard (same story). I am hesitant to suggest Garcia, despite his performance with the eagles, because age is bound to catch up to him, and the bears need something that is going to last longer than a few months.

My final suggestion is that they please trade for Brunell. This, of course, will never happen.
Sinclair
February-5th-2007, 02:02 PM
So you think 36+ year old Garcia is the choice?

no joke....Orton is going into his third year and a year ago won almost as many games as Grossman with a lot LESS Int's..i dont see how he dosnt deserve a 2nd chance!
Number5
February-5th-2007, 02:03 PM
I understand those cases mentioned. But the difference here is BIG $$$$. The difference between starting QB money and back-up money is likely to be HUGE !! The other cases mentioned the money was not that big of a difference. In the Garcia case, it very likely will be a very large difference.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't really care ... he's a back-up QB. But its still fun to debate.


Lol......

Not to change the subject, but I got my autographed Ryan Howard plaque from phillies.com....

:redpunch: Who's bad!
Bostic Hog
February-5th-2007, 02:14 PM
Lol......

Not to change the subject, but I got my autographed Ryan Howard plaque from phillies.com....

:redpunch: Who's bad!

Ryan Howard is signing with Chicago? HAHA -- I can't wait for the Phillies season !! I think we'll finally have a decent starting rotation.
HeHateMe
February-5th-2007, 05:39 PM
Garcia will go where the money tells him too.

This is his last chance at a decent paycheck.

Dont think he isnt going to cash in on it.
DWinzit
February-5th-2007, 09:12 PM
Garcia will go where the money tells him too.

This is his last chance at a decent paycheck.

Dont think he isnt going to cash in on it.
He cashed in during his stints in Cleveland and Detroit where he was paid starter money and stunk up the field, when on it!
HeHateMe
February-5th-2007, 09:45 PM
He cashed in during his stints in Cleveland and Detroit where he was paid starter money and stunk up the field, when on it!

And no reason to think he wont now.

Unless of course, youre a wishful thinking Eagles fan.
tr1
February-6th-2007, 05:40 AM
Garcia will have a pick of several starting jobs...he needs a WCO, though.
HoyaSkins28
February-6th-2007, 05:59 AM
no joke....Orton is going into his third year and a year ago won almost as many games as Grossman with a lot LESS Int's..i dont see how he dosnt deserve a 2nd chance!

Because yes he won games, but theres no way he could have won a super bowl with THE LOWEST PASSER/COMPLETION RATING IN THE NFL
DWinzit
February-6th-2007, 06:16 AM
Because yes he won games, but theres no way he could have won a super bowl with THE LOWEST PASSER/COMPLETION RATING IN THE NFL
Orton did play like Dilfer, a game manager who tried to just not lose the games. Dilfer pulled out a ring with a strong defense. :whoknows: But I don't see him as the starter.
pointyfootball
February-7th-2007, 07:05 AM
All things being equal, I think the Bears win, or at least be more competitive in, the SB this year if Garcia is under center. However, they'd basically be saying they're going for 1-2 year attempt to win the SB, by trying to sign him, afterwhich what do they do?


Orton is not the answer. At some point you need your QB to make plays and he just didn't do that.