Did Manning make the list of greatest QB's of all time?

[bfmcvs1]

After yesterday's game does Manning now rank as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time? We know he has some gawdy numbers and probably will break every record there is but will that even be enough to put him ahead of Montana? Elway? Untias? Brady? Graham? Where does he rank amongst the greats? Does he have to win a couple of more? To me championships don't define you completely but they are a large part of it in my book. Just curious as to everyones opinion as to who there top 5 quarterbacks of all time. I hate to leave Sonny off this list but no championships to his credit much less a winning season I have to exclude him. I know he played for some terrible teams so don't rip me for excluding him.. :doh:

My top 5 are -

1. Joe Montana

2. John Elway

3. Johnny Unitas

4. Tom Brady

5. Otto Graham - 10 straight championship games...couldn't exclude him!

[OWUeagleMD]

He's on the list now. Definitely.

[bubba9497]

He's the best playing today, and when he retires could be the greatest ever

[Fred Jones]

If your talking all time you don't have to go very far then that guy who played for the skins and was elected to the HOF without question when the league started putting people in the Hall. I believe they called him Mr. Baugh.

[bubba9497]

If your talking all time you don't have to go very far then that guy who played for the skins and was elected to the HOF without question when the league started putting people in the Hall. I believe they called him Mr. Baugh.


Baugh was the greatest athlete ever, played 3 position all at pro bowl level

QB, CB, P

but he never threw a lot of pass compared to the last 30-40 years, and defenses are a lot more complicated today

[Fred Jones]

Baugh was the greatest athlete ever, played 3 position all at pro bowl level

QB, CB, P

but he never threw a lot of pass compared to the last 30-40 years, and defenses are a lot more complicated today


Perhaps, but as a skins fan, I always put him among the all time greats. He defined the position. He started the passing offense. And, prove that he wasn't as good a QB as the present day. I doubt he was, but back then no one had ever thrown a pass like he did. Pure athlete, smart, understands the game of football, and accurate passer. He meets the criteria.

However, I can't argue with you because he played in a completely different era.

EDIT: I bet if he was a Vol you would put him in the top five. :)

[sableholic]

He's the best playing today, and when he retires could be the greatest ever

What I find funny is it'll be the battle of the Colts QBs for best ever I think. Unitas vs Manning when all is said and done.

[Monkart]

Absolutely!!!!!

[bubba9497]

Perhaps, but as a skins fan, I always put him among the all time greats. He defined the position. He started the passing offense. And, prove that he wasn't as good a QB as the present day. I doubt he was, but back then no one had ever thrown a pass like he did. Pure athlete, smart, understands the game of football, and accurate passer. He meets the criteria.

However, I can't argue with you because he played in a completely different era.

EDIT: I bet if he was a Vol you would put him in the top five. :)

Baugh? I'd still same the same.... Skins #1,Vols #1a

Peyton would still be #1, even if he was a Gator



maybe :)

[HEavyJumbo85]

No love for Marino or Tarkenton on this thread? No Jim Kelly Talk?

Sorry I was just pointing out all the losers with sweet numbers.

Manning might be there when he's done, but he's basically on Brett Favre pace now, that's assuming Favre quits after next year and Manning plays til he's 36. You can't put him up there yet only because he's not done. A lot of things can happen between then and now.

Manning being the Greatest after 8 years is like Tony Romo making the Pro bowl after 8 games...oh wait... Well, Manning will be one of the greatest if not the single greatest ever...eventually. Just not yet, give it some time.

[Skins247]

After yesterday's game does Manning now rank as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time? We know he has some gawdy numbers and probably will break every record there is but will that even be enough to put him ahead of Montana? Elway? Untias? Brady? Graham? Where does he rank amongst the greats? Does he have to win a couple of more? To me championships don't define you completely but they are a large part of it in my book. Just curious as to everyones opinion as to who there top 5 quarterbacks of all time. I hate to leave Sonny off this list but no championships to his credit much less a winning season I have to exclude him. I know he played for some terrible teams so don't rip me for excluding him.. :doh:

My top 5 are -

1. Joe Montana

2. John Elway

3. Johnny Unitas

4. Tom Brady

5. Otto Graham - 10 straight championship games...couldn't exclude him!

Manning is definitely one of the greats of all time, already. He would already rank in my top 10. Hell, he'll probably go down as being one of the 3 best qb's ever. But right now I don't see how anyone could have anyone other than Montana as being the greatest. And im not basing my opinion soley on the 4 Super Bowls wins he directed the 49ers to. You also have to consider the man never threw one interception in the Super Bowl. He wound up with 11 TD passes and ZERO INT! That is friggin' unreal. So is the 122.0 QB rating. I, too, would have Elway 2nd (as of now, anyway). Marino would be #3 on my list. While he didn't win a ring, you still can't overlook his 61,000+ passing yards or 420 TD passes. Then I would round out my top 5 with Brady and Favre, in no particular order.

[Skins247]

If your talking all time you don't have to go very far then that guy who played for the skins and was elected to the HOF without question when the league started putting people in the Hall. I believe they called him Mr. Baugh.

Stop being a homer, dude. Baugh wouldn't rank in the top 5, all time. Neither would Jurgensen.

[Skins247]

What I find funny is it'll be the battle of the Colts QBs for best ever I think. Unitas vs Manning when all is said and done.


Unitas? Best ever? You're kidding, right? Ever hear of some guy named Montana? :doh:

[sableholic]

Unitas? Best ever? You're kidding, right? Ever hear of some guy named Montana? :doh:

"In 1999, he was ranked No. 5 on "The Sporting News'" list of the 100 Greatest Football Players, behind only Joe Montana among quarterbacks. However, in 2004, "TSN" did a special feature on the 50 Greatest Quarterbacks, and Unitas was ranked No. 1 and Montana No. 2. It is possible that Montana was ranked first in the earlier list due to the comparative proximity of his career, while Unitas was ranked first in the later list due to remembrances aired on television following his death."

"Unitas was involved in only one other head-to-head meeting with Namath, but it was a memorable one. On September 24, 1972, at Memorial Stadium, Unitas threw for 376 yards and three touchdowns, but Namath upstaged him again, bombing the Colts for 496 yards and six touchdowns in a 44-34 Jets victory.

Unitas was traded to the San Diego Chargers in 1973, and retired from football in 1974. He finished his 18 NFL seasons with 2,830 completions in 5,186 passes for 40,239 yards and 290 touchdowns, with 253 interceptions. He also rushed for 1,777 yards and 13 touchdowns.

Unitas set many passing records during his career. He was the first quarterback to throw for more than 40,000 yards, despite playing during an era when NFL teams played shorter seasons of 12 or 14 games (as opposed to today's 16-game seasons). He also threw a touchdown pass in 47 consecutive games between 1956 and 1960, a record that still stands and is considered by many the Mount Everest-like football equivalent to Joe DiMaggio's 56-game baseball hitting streak."

"When the NFL celebrated its first 50 years, Unitas was voted the league's best player. Retired Bears quarterback Sid Luckman said of Unitas, "He was better than me. Better than Baugh. Better than anyone.""

And yes I have heard of Montana. I never said it wasn't close. I'd still give it to Unitas though. That or Unitas 1a and Montana 1b.

[skinsngibbs4life]

I think by the end of his career, Manning will make a real claim for greatest of all time. I really think he will get another SB, and will pass MANY passing records by marino. But who knows, it is "only" his 9th season, so he has a lot of playing time ahead of him.

[909997]

After yesterday's game does Manning now rank as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time? We know he has some gawdy numbers and probably will break every record there is but will that even be enough to put him ahead of Montana? Elway? Untias? Brady? Graham? Where does he rank amongst the greats? Does he have to win a couple of more? To me championships don't define you completely but they are a large part of it in my book. Just curious as to everyones opinion as to who there top 5 quarterbacks of all time. I hate to leave Sonny off this list but no championships to his credit much less a winning season I have to exclude him. I know he played for some terrible teams so don't rip me for excluding him.. :doh:

My top 5 are -

1. Joe Montana

2. John Elway

3. Johnny Unitas

4. Tom Brady

5. Otto Graham - 10 straight championship games...couldn't exclude him!

tom brady are u kidding me?

[Fred Jones]

Stop being a homer, dude. Baugh wouldn't rank in the top 5, all time. Neither would Jurgensen.

I never mentioned Jurgensen, and I never said Baugh was better than Montana or Unitas. However, why can't you put him the top five or ten? He played in a different era with different rules. Today they protect Manning. The rules are geared for the passing game. Unitas didn't have those rules and Baugh probably had even less rules. Just because he played in the caveman era of the NFL doesn't mean he couldn't walk on today with Harrison, Wayne, Clark, etc. and the current pro-QB rules and play the game.

[Skins247]

I never mentioned Jurgensen, and I never said Baugh was better than Montana or Unitas. However, why can't you put him the top five or ten? He played in a different era with different rules. Today they protect Manning. The rules are geared for the passing game. Unitas didn't have those rules and Baugh probably had even less rules. Just because he played in the caveman era of the NFL doesn't mean he couldn't walk on today with Harrison, Wayne, Clark, etc. and the current pro-QB rules and play the game.

Unitas simply doesn't have the numbers. I'm not saying numbers are the end all, but his don't stand out. There are just too many other qb's that were better.

[Skins247]

tom brady are u kidding me?

Tom Brady could very well go down as one of 5 greatest. Montana is widely considered the greatest ever. And he is considered that for the 4 rings he won and the way he played in the Super Bowl. Brady only has one less ring than Montana, correct? And Brady still has a long time left. Not to mention Brady is, I think, 12-2 for is career in postseason. And both played on dynasties of their particular era. Btw, Montana didn't have the greatest statistical stats either. I think the two are very similar. Right now I think Montana definitely is the greatest ever. But Brady isn't done.

[sableholic]

Unitas simply doesn't have the numbers. I'm not saying numbers are the end all, but his don't stand out. There are just too many other qb's that were better.

See my post on the first page.

[Skins247]

See my post on the first page.

Dude, I don't go by what a few publications say. I have my own mind. And when I look at the numbers, Unitas' pale in comparison to Montana, Elway, Marino etc. Montana won 4 rings. Unitas 1. Montana and Unitas, I believe, have very similar career stats. And what Montana did in his Super Bowl appearances are so incredible they may never be topped. The man threw 11 TD passes and ZERO interceptions in his 4 Super Bowls and finished with a 122.0 QB rating. When everything is considered, it is a no-brainer that Montana is the greatest. As of now you could say Unitas would be included in a top 5 poll. However, greats like Favre, Manning and Brady aren't done playing. I would think when its all said and done all three of those will be rated higher than Unitas, along with Montana, Elway and Marino. Unitas will fall somewhere 6-10 once all the above players are done playing.

[Fred Jones]

Dude, I don't go by what a few publications say. I have my own mind. And when I look at the numbers, Unitas' pale in comparison to Montana, Elway, Marino etc. Montana won 4 rings. Unitas 1. Montana and Unitas, I believe, have very similar career stats. And what Montana did in his Super Bowl appearances are so incredible they may never be topped. The man threw 11 TD passes and ZERO interceptions in his 4 Super Bowls and finished with a 122.0 QB rating. When everything is considered, it is a no-brainer that Montana is the greatest. As of now you could say Unitas would be included in a top 5 poll. However, greats like Favre, Manning and Brady aren't done playing. I would think when its all said and done all three of those will be rated higher than Unitas, along with Montana, Elway and Marino. Unitas will fall somewhere 6-10 once all the above players are done playing.

Listen, I am not for or against Unitas. I was just using him as an example. However, why not Baugh? Numbers don't mean a lot in the era he played. He also played different positions besides just QB. He certainly had the athletic ability and they say he was very accurate. The only thing left is football QB smarts.

Edit: And where is poster SlinginSammy HOF '63 to defend the Redskin great?

[OWUeagleMD]

Dude, I don't go by what a few publications say. I have my own mind. And when I look at the numbers, Unitas' pale in comparison to Montana, Elway, Marino etc. Montana won 4 rings. Unitas 1. Montana and Unitas, I believe, have very similar career stats. And what Montana did in his Super Bowl appearances are so incredible they may never be topped. The man threw 11 TD passes and ZERO interceptions in his 4 Super Bowls and finished with a 122.0 QB rating. When everything is considered, it is a no-brainer that Montana is the greatest. As of now you could say Unitas would be included in a top 5 poll. However, greats like Favre, Manning and Brady aren't done playing. I would think when its all said and done all three of those will be rated higher than Unitas, along with Montana, Elway and Marino. Unitas will fall somewhere 6-10 once all the above players are done playing.

Unitas won more than one championship.

[sableholic]

Unitas won more than one championship.

3 to be exact, but I've chosen to ignore him as he clearly has no idea what hes talking about. Sure compare stats to QBs in modern eras with Unitas, cause that makes sense.

[rincewind]

No mention of Brett Farve? He may not be the best ever, but he deserves to be in the discussion. At the end of next year he will most likely have most of the biggest records at the QB position - yards, wins, TDs.

[Skins247]

Unitas won more than one championship.

Learn how to read. I was talking about Super Bowl rings. And no one really gives a crap about old NFL titles. There weren't that many teams around in that era. In the SB era, which I was plainly referring to, he only has 1 SB ring. Besides, what Montana did in the SB greatly outweighs anything Unitas did. That's not to take anything away from Unitas. He was a great QB. But Montana was "the" greatest.

[Skins247]

3 to be exact, but I've chosen to ignore him as he clearly has no idea what hes talking about. Sure compare stats to QBs in modern eras with Unitas, cause that makes sense.


Again, what Montana did in the Super Bowl outweighs anything Unitas accomplished. Montana won 4 rings and never threw one single INT in all 4 SB games and had 11 TD passes. If you don't want to compare their stats, you still have to look at what each did when it counted most. And Montana has everyone beat in that case.

[Skins247]

No mention of Brett Farve? He may not be the best ever, but he deserves to be in the discussion. At the end of next year he will most likely have most of the biggest records at the QB position - yards, wins, TDs.


Uh, I had Favre in my top 5 in one of the earlier posts.

[909997]

Tom Brady could very well go down as one of 5 greatest. Montana is widely considered the greatest ever. And he is considered that for the 4 rings he won and the way he played in the Super Bowl. Brady only has one less ring than Montana, correct? And Brady still has a long time left. Not to mention Brady is, I think, 12-2 for is career in postseason. And both played on dynasties of their particular era. Btw, Montana didn't have the greatest statistical stats either. I think the two are very similar. Right now I think Montana definitely is the greatest ever. But Brady isn't done.

terry bradshaw has 4 rings so hes the 2nd best qb right?

dont judge qbs on rings

montana isnt the best QB because he has 4 rings hes the best QB because he has numerous 4th qtr comebacks and is the best QB in the clutch

bradys 2 field goal isnt exactly the best and brady hasnt done anything when his team needed him to comeback from a TD deficit game in the playoffs

denver down by a TD brady throws a pick to champ bailey
in sandiego pats down 10 points he throws a 4th down INT(which troy browns gets back)
needing a td to win the game against colts he throws a INT

saying brady is better then marino, young, and manning is just wrong....

if you want to judge QB's on superbowl troy aikman better be top 3 on your list

[909997]

Montana didn't have the greatest statistical stats either

#8 in Completions in NFL history
#9 in passing yards
#8 in TD passes

[Skins247]

terry bradshaw has 4 rings so hes the 2nd best qb right?

dont judge qbs on rings

montana isnt the best QB because he has 4 rings hes the best QB because he has numerous 4th qtr comebacks and is the best QB in the clutch

bradys 2 field goal isnt exactly the best and brady hasnt done anything when his team needed him to comeback from a TD deficit game in the playoffs

denver down by a TD brady throws a pick to champ bailey
in sandiego pats down 10 points he throws a 4th down INT(which troy browns gets back)
needing a td to win the game against colts he throws a INT

saying brady is better then marino, young, and manning is just wrong....

if you want to judge QB's on superbowl troy aikman better be top 3 on your list

If you're going to post on a subject maybe you should follow the dialouge of the whole post. I never said rings for the sole reason for Montana being the best. I've clearly stated that it's a combination of the rings AND his performances in those SB's that put him over the top. I've mentioned several times his stats in those SB's......11 TD 0 INT, 122.0 QB Rating. And it's funny you only mention Brady in the playoffs recently. I guess you forgot he led them down the field to set up Vinatieri's FG vs the Rams to win NE their first SB? Or what about how he led them down the field vs Carolina to set up Vinatieri's FG to beat Carolina in the SB? Sorry, bud. You can't just use recent setbacks in your argument. You have to factor in everything. And isn't Brady something like 12-2 in the playoffs? Yea, that's nothing, huh. :doh: Btw, I never said Brady was better than Marino or Manning? Keep up.

[Darc Requiem]

Its hard to narrow down a Top 5 list of QB's the differences in between eras makes it difficult. That said Warren Moon would be in my top 5. He'd own all of Marino's records if he didn't have do a 5 year CFL audition before getting his shot in the NFL.

[OWUeagleMD]

Learn how to read. I was talking about Super Bowl rings. And no one really gives a crap about old NFL titles. There weren't that many teams around in that era. In the SB era, which I was plainly referring to, he only has 1 SB ring. Besides, what Montana did in the SB greatly outweighs anything Unitas did. That's not to take anything away from Unitas. He was a great QB. But Montana was "the" greatest.

Learn how to think critically. Unitas' career overlapped the merger. It's absurd to denegrate half of the accomplishments over the course of his career because they occured before the greatest marketing campaign in American history. Anything Unitas accomplished in his career is relevant in the discussion; to limit his career to only the things that happened after the advent of the SB is asinine.

I still call Montana the greatest QB ever, but you are making a foolish delineation between what matters and what does not matter. Some of the things Unitas accomplished that you are saying "no one gives a crap about" are actually things that many people consider the most important moments in the history of the sport.

[BleedBNG]

After yesterday's game does Manning now rank as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time?
I wouldn't bet my name against it...
http://www.cbsnews.com:80/stories/2007/02/07/national/main2442173.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/07/national/main2442173.shtml)

[909997]

If you're going to post on a subject maybe you should follow the dialouge of the whole post. I never said rings for the sole reason for Montana being the best. I've clearly stated that it's a combination of the rings AND his performances in those SB's that put him over the top. I've mentioned several times his stats in those SB's......11 TD 0 INT, 122.0 QB Rating. And it's funny you only mention Brady in the playoffs recently. I guess you forgot he led them down the field to set up Vinatieri's FG vs the Rams to win NE their first SB? Or what about how he led them down the field vs Carolina to set up Vinatieri's FG to beat Carolina in the SB? Sorry, bud. You can't just use recent setbacks in your argument. You have to factor in everything. And isn't Brady something like 12-2 in the playoffs? Yea, that's nothing, huh. :doh: Btw, I never said Brady was better than Marino or Manning? Keep up.

bradys 2 field goal isnt exactly the best and brady hasnt done anything when his team needed him to comeback from a TD deficit game in the playoffs

yeah i mentioned those

[sableholic]

Learn how to think critically. Unitas' career overlapped the merger. It's absurd to denegrate half of the accomplishments over the course of his career because they occured before the greatest marketing campaign in American history. Anything Unitas accomplished in his career is relevant in the discussion; to limit his career to only the things that happened after the advent of the SB is asinine.

I still call Montana the greatest QB ever, but you are making a foolish delineation between what matters and what does not matter. Some of the things Unitas accomplished that you are saying "no one gives a crap about" are actually things that many people consider the most important moments in the history of the sport.

Couldn't have said it better myself. This guy is just being rediculious.

[sableholic]

Unitas simply doesn't have the numbers. I'm not saying numbers are the end all, but his don't stand out. There are just too many other qb's that were better.

And when I look at the numbers, Unitas' pale in comparison to Montana, Elway, Marino etc. Montana won 4 rings. Unitas 1. Montana and Unitas, I believe, have very similar career stats.

Contradict yourself much? Unitas simply doesn't have the numbers, yet they are almost the same as Montanas? They pale in comparison, yet they have very similar career stats. Does that even make sense? There are just too many qbs that were better, yet you say he is in the top 5 at the moment?

Anyways since you say Unitas's stats don't compare to Montana, lets just have a look:
Unitas
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
| TOTAL | 211 | 2830 5186 54.6 40239 7.8 290 253 | 450 1777 13 |

Montana
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
| TOTAL | 192 | 3409 5391 63.2 40551 7.5 273 139 | 457 1676 20 |

Your right he doesn't compare at all. He's only what ~300 yards less on ~200 less attempts, he also threw 17 more TDs. All in a era when passing wasn't as prominent.

Unitas All Time
Pass Attempts: 12th
Completions: 18th
Passing yards: 10th
Passing TDS: 6th

Montana All Time
Pass attempts: 9th
Completions:8th
Passing Yards: 9th
Passing TDS: 8th

But anyways just dismiss him because he played in a different era. Thats fine. Maybe you just need to learn more about Unitas. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/5706748

or he there is a great new book out about him, Johnny U. But I doubt your interested, you'd just rather dismiss him cause he was from a different era and "doesn't have the stats".

http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Unitas_Johnny.html
" When he led Baltimore to a 23-17 overtime victory over the New York Giants in the 1958 championship, a game often proclaimed as football's greatest, Unitas boosted the sport's popularity."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/5706744
" Unitas led the Colts to NFL titles in 1958 and '59, helped them win Super Bowl V, was chosen to five all-league teams and was Player of the Year three times. He played in 10 Pro Bowls. He threw at least one touchdown pass in 47 consecutive games, an NFL record that began in his rookie year." One TD pass in 47 straight games, do you know how unreal that is? Its called NFL's unbreakable record for a reason.

let me help you out in case you don't
http://www.profootballhof.com/history/decades/1960s/unitas.jsp
"One record, however, still remains and may be one of the NFL's few unbreakable records. Comparable to Joe Dimaggio's 56-game hit streak, Unitas compiled a string of 47 straight games in which he threw at least one touchdown pass.

The record has not been seriously challenged. The closest a quarterback has come is the 36-game string by Brett Favre of the Green Bay Packers from 2002 to 2004. Next closest were Dan Marino (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=238) of the Miami Dolphins who had a 30-game streak that took place over the 1985-1987 seasons, and Seattle Seahawks' Dave Krieg (28 consecutive games from 1983-1985)."

Great article comparing Manning and Unitas.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.qbcomparison02feb02,0,2544799.story?coll=

"John called his own game," he said. "That's a big difference. He went into a game with 150 offensive plays. He had to know all 150 plays and what was good against whatever defense we faced."

Not surprisingly, Manning won the 1997 Johnny Unitas (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-johnnyunitas,0,1396172.special?coll=) Golden Arm Award as the nation's best college quarterback (and brother Eli won the award in 2003).

When Unitas Jr. recently found photographs of his father and Manning together from that 1997 event, he forwarded them to Peyton in Indianapolis.

"My father gave Peyton the award and Peyton gave my father a pair of his high-tops," Unitas said. "He idolized my father."

Accorsi has no doubt about Unitas' place in history. It's at the top of the all-time quarterback list.

"We go back every time somebody retires and make them No. 1," Accorsi said. "Here's my bottom line on Unitas: Everybody who's ever played the game is compared to him; he's compared to nobody ."

"Hall of Fame linebacker Sam Huff remembers Johnny Unitas as the greatest signal caller he's ever seen." Just listen to some of the audio on the side of the espn link or watch some of the videos. Do anything to educate yourself please.

[Seabee1973]

Jason will break the consecutive game TD streak

[Skins247]

Contradict yourself much? Unitas simply doesn't have the numbers, yet they are almost the same as Montanas? They pale in comparison, yet they have very similar career stats. Does that even make sense? There are just too many qbs that were better, yet you say he is in the top 5 at the moment?

Anyways since you say Unitas's stats don't compare to Montana, lets just have a look:
Unitas
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
| TOTAL | 211 | 2830 5186 54.6 40239 7.8 290 253 | 450 1777 13 |

Montana
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
| TOTAL | 192 | 3409 5391 63.2 40551 7.5 273 139 | 457 1676 20 |

Your right he doesn't compare at all. He's only what ~300 yards less on ~200 less attempts, he also threw 17 more TDs. All in a era when passing wasn't as prominent.

Unitas All Time
Pass Attempts: 12th
Completions: 18th
Passing yards: 10th
Passing TDS: 6th

Montana All Time
Pass attempts: 9th
Completions:8th
Passing Yards: 9th
Passing TDS: 8th

But anyways just dismiss him because he played in a different era. Thats fine. Maybe you just need to learn more about Unitas. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/5706748

or he there is a great new book out about him, Johnny U. But I doubt your interested, you'd just rather dismiss him cause he was from a different era and "doesn't have the stats".

http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Unitas_Johnny.html
" When he led Baltimore to a 23-17 overtime victory over the New York Giants in the 1958 championship, a game often proclaimed as football's greatest, Unitas boosted the sport's popularity."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/5706744
" Unitas led the Colts to NFL titles in 1958 and '59, helped them win Super Bowl V, was chosen to five all-league teams and was Player of the Year three times. He played in 10 Pro Bowls. He threw at least one touchdown pass in 47 consecutive games, an NFL record that began in his rookie year." One TD pass in 47 straight games, do you know how unreal that is? Its called NFL's unbreakable record for a reason.

let me help you out in case you don't
http://www.profootballhof.com/history/decades/1960s/unitas.jsp
"One record, however, still remains and may be one of the NFL's few unbreakable records. Comparable to Joe Dimaggio's 56-game hit streak, Unitas compiled a string of 47 straight games in which he threw at least one touchdown pass.

The record has not been seriously challenged. The closest a quarterback has come is the 36-game string by Brett Favre of the Green Bay Packers from 2002 to 2004. Next closest were Dan Marino (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=238) of the Miami Dolphins who had a 30-game streak that took place over the 1985-1987 seasons, and Seattle Seahawks' Dave Krieg (28 consecutive games from 1983-1985)."

Great article comparing Manning and Unitas.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.qbcomparison02feb02,0,2544799.story?coll=

"John called his own game," he said. "That's a big difference. He went into a game with 150 offensive plays. He had to know all 150 plays and what was good against whatever defense we faced."

Not surprisingly, Manning won the 1997 Johnny Unitas (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-johnnyunitas,0,1396172.special?coll=) Golden Arm Award as the nation's best college quarterback (and brother Eli won the award in 2003).

When Unitas Jr. recently found photographs of his father and Manning together from that 1997 event, he forwarded them to Peyton in Indianapolis.

"My father gave Peyton the award and Peyton gave my father a pair of his high-tops," Unitas said. "He idolized my father."

Accorsi has no doubt about Unitas' place in history. It's at the top of the all-time quarterback list.

"We go back every time somebody retires and make them No. 1," Accorsi said. "Here's my bottom line on Unitas: Everybody who's ever played the game is compared to him; he's compared to nobody ."

"Hall of Fame linebacker Sam Huff remembers Johnny Unitas as the greatest signal caller he's ever seen." Just listen to some of the audio on the side of the espn link or watch some of the videos. Do anything to educate yourself please.


First off, there's no need to write a book in order to respond to someone's post. As for your post. When I stated Unitas didn't have the numbers Montana had im talking as a WHOLE. Note: That's why I said the had similar career numbers. My point was, Montana had much better numbers in postseason than Unitas. You can't argue the success Montana had in the postseason. It's unmatched! The man threw 11 TOUCHDOWN PASSES WITH NO INTERCEPTIONS!! He went 4-0 in the SUPER BOWL! Granted, Unitas was pretty good in postseason but nowhere near what Montana was. THAT was why I said he didn't have the numbers! Again, I was talking as a WHOLE. There was no contradiction anywhere. Stop making this more difficult than it really is.

[Skins247]

Its hard to narrow down a Top 5 list of QB's the differences in between eras makes it difficult. That said Warren Moon would be in my top 5. He'd own all of Marino's records if he didn't have do a 5 year CFL audition before getting his shot in the NFL.


Warren Moon? Are you serious? He would be hard-pressed to make anyone's top 10! And your last sentence is just ridiculous. Obviously Moon was a late bloomer if he didn't play in the NFL the first part of his career, right? Who's fault is it that he didn't play his first 5 years in the NFL? :doh:

[sableholic]

Warren Moon? Are you serious? He would be hard-pressed to make anyone's top 10! And your last sentence is just ridiculous. Obviously Moon was a late bloomer if he didn't play in the NFL the first part of his career, right? Who's fault is it that he didn't play his first 5 years in the NFL? :doh:

NFL GM's? If he wasn't black I can bet that he would have been drafted. Are you implying its his fault?

[sableholic]

First off, there's no need to write a book in order to respond to someone's post. As for your post. When I stated Unitas didn't have the numbers Montana had im talking as a WHOLE. Note: That's why I said the had similar career numbers. My point was, Montana had much better numbers in postseason than Unitas. You can't argue the success Montana had in the postseason. It's unmatched! The man threw 11 TOUCHDOWN PASSES WITH NO INTERCEPTIONS!! He went 4-0 in the SUPER BOWL! Granted, Unitas was pretty good in postseason but nowhere near what Montana was. THAT was why I said he didn't have the numbers! Again, I was talking as a WHOLE. There was no contradiction anywhere. Stop making this more difficult than it really is.

Sorry the reading material was too much for you. Hate for you to be educated on the subject. Oh and Bradshaw was 4-0 in the SUPER BOWL! Is he on your top 5? ALSO whats with the RANDOM capitalization. You seem to think I'm taking something away from Montana (I even stated he was my 1b to Unitas as in tied), I'm merely trying to show you about Unitas (someone you think won't be in the top 5 of all time soon). Especially considering you said he pales in comparison with Marino, Elway, and Montana which is just ridiculous. Also the fact that you think Farve will go down ahead of him baffles me and makes me think you have no idea what your talking about.

[Skins247]

Sorry the reading material was too much for you. Hate for you to be educated on the subject. Oh and Bradshaw was 4-0 in the SUPER BOWL! Is he on your top 5? ALSO whats with the RANDOM capitalization. You seem to think I'm taking something away from Montana (I even stated he was my 1b to Unitas as in tied), I'm merely trying to show you about Unitas (someone you think won't be in the top 5 of all time soon). Especially considering you said he pales in comparison with Marino, Elway, and Montana which is just ridiculous. Also the fact that you think Farve will go down ahead of him baffles me and makes me think you have no idea what your talking about.

I already mentioned that I didn't feel Bradshaw was a great qb. I guessed you missed that part, too. In fact, even with the 4 rings I don't think he would even be in the top 10, all time. He'll be the first to tell ya that he was surrounded by great talent and that's why he was so successful. I've mentioned on several occasions that I felt having won a title or titles is only part of the equation. And I still find it comical that you think Unitas would be rated ahead of Montana. Sorry, guy, but that is a joke. It may be a stretch to say Favre is better. I will admit that. But Marino, Elway, Montana? They would all rank ahead of Unitas imo.

[Skins247]

NFL GM's? If he wasn't black I can bet that he would have been drafted. Are you implying its his fault?

Save it, man. There were other black qb's that came before Moon. And none were successful. There just simply weren't any drop back qb's that were good enough to play the position. There weren't then and there aren't now. It is what it is.

[OWUeagleMD]

Save it, man. There were other black qb's that came before Moon. And none were successful. There just simply weren't any drop back qb's that were good enough to play the position. There weren't then and there aren't now. It is what it is.

I'll stop short of attributing Moon's delayed entry into the NFL as a race isue, but you certainly cannot fault a guy who had success from day 1 in the NFL for having to play in the CFL for years before getting his chance. NFL GMs were at fault, for one reason or another, and Moon proved as much over the course of his 20 year Hall-of-Fame career.

[CaptChaos86]

I know alot of people hate Manning but you have to give him due. He is an awesome quarterback and i think will be one of the all-time greats. At this moment i dont think hes on the list but by the end of his career he will be.

[sableholic]

I already mentioned that I didn't feel Bradshaw was a great qb. I guessed you missed that part, too. In fact, even with the 4 rings I don't think he would even be in the top 10, all time. He'll be the first to tell ya that he was surrounded by great talent and that's why he was so successful. I've mentioned on several occasions that I felt having won a title or titles is only part of the equation. And I still find it comical that you think Unitas would be rated ahead of Montana. Sorry, guy, but that is a joke. It may be a stretch to say Favre is better. I will admit that. But Marino, Elway, Montana? They would all rank ahead of Unitas imo.

The stuff you said about Bradshaw is exactly my point. And if you actually would just read what I said I said that I'd place it as a tie for Unitas and Montana, so not sure how you get the last part. We'll just end this saying we agree to disagree.

On the Moon situation, so because there wasn't any succesful ones before that means you should stop giving them a chance? Now thats laughable. And I'll stand by my statement that it was NFL GM's fault for his delayed entry. How you can think it was his fault is beyond me. He didn't say don't pick me.

[Skins247]

The stuff you said about Bradshaw is exactly my point. And if you actually would just read what I said I said that I'd place it as a tie for Unitas and Montana, so not sure how you get the last part. We'll just end this saying we agree to disagree.

On the Moon situation, so because there wasn't any succesful ones before that means you should stop giving them a chance? Now thats laughable. And I'll stand by my statement that it was NFL GM's fault for his delayed entry. How you can think it was his fault is beyond me. He didn't say don't pick me.


Maybe those GM's thought he wasn't good enough? Ever think of that? Why does it always have to be a racial issue?

[Skins247]

I'll stop short of attributing Moon's delayed entry into the NFL as a race isue, but you certainly cannot fault a guy who had success from day 1 in the NFL for having to play in the CFL for years before getting his chance. NFL GMs were at fault, for one reason or another, and Moon proved as much over the course of his 20 year Hall-of-Fame career.

I can probably think of at least 10 QB's that were/are greater than Moon. He definitely wouldn't fall in any Top 5 list. This is absurd that there are actually people out there that feel he is.

[prophet]

If I was starting a team, and I needed a qb... I go with Elway.

He was the most complete qb in the NFL. IMO