Top 5 Quarterbacks as of Now

[Hero21]

Alrighty, the 06 season has come to a closure, with Peyton finally (oh god!) winning the big one. With everything we've seen, who do you feel are the top 5 (because all good things some in fives :D) quarterbacks in the league as of now and why?

1) Tom Brady - I know I might get some heat from this, but I still feel Tom is better then Peyton (not taking anything away from Peyton). When the Pats dealt Deion Branch to the Seahawks, I really thought the playoffs run out of the questions for NE without Tom's favorite weapon. But I feel he did the most with the least amount. While he ultimately lost, the fact that he was only one game away from the Super Bowl (again ... ugh!) with the receiving corps he had is pretty crazy.

2) Peyton Manning - While his postseason performance was less then steller, no one can deny that he's best pure pocket passer of our era. Not only is he deadly accurate, he's practically a coach on the field, and teams always have to account for the deep pass with him combined with Wayne and Harrison.

3) Drew Brees - This season, Brees silenced all the critics who said that he couldn't come back from his shoulder injury, and made the Chargers front office look quite the fool for giving up on him so easily. While Reggie Bush, Marques Colston, and Sean Payton were integral parts of revitalizing the Saints, Brees was the key to their success. Imagine if they signed Daunte Culpepper ...

4) Donovan Mcnabb (Man this hurts) - While he had a shortened season, Mcnabb was in absolute Pro Bowl form and played extremely well when he was healthy. A guy who's a threat on the ground and through the air, Mcnabb is still a QB that most teams would love to have on their roster.

5) Marc Bulger - A guy who's consistently under the radar, Bulger played very well and mistakefree, despite having a depleted offensive line that resulted in him being sacked 49 times! (Second only to Jon Kitna and the Lions). He threw for 4301 yards and only had 8 ints and is another example of great QBs that can be found in the lower rounds.

[OWUeagleMD]

1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. McNabb
5. Palmer

[bubba9497]

1.-5. Manning

that's it, that's the list :D

[Fred Jones]

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Brees
4. Tie McNabb and Palmer

[Fred Jones]

1.-5. Manning

that's it, that's the list :D

You give to much love to Manning.

[ptr77]

Alrighty, the 06 season has come to a closure, with Peyton finally (oh god!) winning the big one. With everything we've seen, who do you feel are the top 5 (because all good things some in fives :D) quarterbacks in the league as of now and why?

1) Tom Brady - I know I might get some heat from this, but I still feel Tom is better then Peyton (not taking anything away from Peyton). When the Pats dealt Deion Branch to the Seahawks, I really thought the playoffs run out of the questions for NE without Tom's favorite weapon. But I feel he did the most with the least amount. While he ultimately lost, the fact that he was only one game away from the Super Bowl (again ... ugh!) with the receiving corps he had is pretty crazy.

2) Peyton Manning - While his postseason performance was less then steller, no one can deny that he's best pure pocket passer of our era. Not only is he deadly accurate, he's practically a coach on the field, and teams always have to account for the deep pass with him combined with Wayne and Harrison.

3) Drew Brees - This season, Brees silenced all the critics who said that he couldn't come back from his shoulder injury, and made the Chargers front office look quite the fool for giving up on him so easily. While Reggie Bush, Marques Colston, and Sean Payton were integral parts of revitalizing the Saints, Brees was the key to their success. Imagine if they signed Daunte Culpepper ...

4) Donovan Mcnabb (Man this hurts) - While he had a shortened season, Mcnabb was in absolute Pro Bowl form and played extremely well when he was healthy. A guy who's a threat on the ground and through the air, Mcnabb is still a QB that most teams would love to have on their roster.

5) Marc Bulger - A guy who's consistently under the radar, Bulger played very well and mistakefree, despite having a depleted offensive line that resulted in him being sacked 49 times! (Second only to Jon Kitna and the Lions). He threw for 4301 yards and only had 8 ints and is another example of great QBs that can be found in the lower rounds.

Agree completely with your top five. I would love to see people post their top 16 qbs, then you could have some real debate. The only debate in the top five is whether manning is better than brady, and i still don't know. A year ago people wouldn't put brees in the top five, would have palmer at 3, trent green ahead of bulger and hasselbeck and roth were in the top 8 on most lists for sure then. A year sure does make a difference.

Mine would go:

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Donovan Mcnabb
Marc Bulger
Carson Palmer
Chad Pennington
Phillip Rivers

After them it gets really comlicated for me:

Ending Careers:
Brett Favre
Trent Green
Steve Mcnair
Jeff Garcia

Young:
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Rex Grossman
Big Ben


Above average Veterans

Matt Hasselbeck
Jake Delhomme

Great potential:
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
JP Losman
Alex Smith


Probably missing a big name, if I am i apologize

[bubba9497]

You give to much love to Manning.

he's a Vol :D

[Fred Jones]

he's a Vol :D


Well,


Ok then. :)

[Hero21]

Ending Careers:
Brett Favre
Trent Green
Steve Mcnair
Jeff Garcia

Young:
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Rex Grossman
Big Ben

Above average Veterans

Matt Hasselbeck
Jake Delhomme

Great potential:
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
JP Losman
Alex Smith



Gotta say I agree with these lists for the most part dude. However, I have a few slight changes:

Brett Favre (If it hadn't been for his resurgence this season, Garcia would be #1 on this)
Jeff Garcia (Played Quite well, can he keep it up?)
Steve Mcnair (solid game managar, looked kinda dead in the post season)
Trent Green (I think they would've been better off with Huard)

Young:
Tony Romo (Looked good, but let's see how he does as the starter from the beginning)
Big Ben (Still won a SB and did lead the Steelers to 15-1 record in his rookie season)
Eli Manning (Has shown flashes of brilliance, but needs to become consistent in order to live up to the hype)
Rex Grossman (crap)

Great potential:
Vince Young (This kid proved me wrong, he worked some intense magic. He's something special)
Jason Campbell (Solid play, exciting future ahead of him)
Alex Smith (Really rebounded from his ugly rookie season)
Matt Leinart (Gonna take another year to really adjust to the pros, might make a rebound like Smith)
JP Losman (I'm not convinced)

[TheREALJBird]

Don't feel like making a top 5 list:laugh:

Manning is #1 though

[sableholic]

I just don't see how you can't put Manning at the top of the list. The title says as of now, and as of now Manning is the Super Bowl MVP and the Super Bowl Champion. He even beat Brady's team.

[Skins4481]

1.Jason Campbell
2.Antwaan Randle-El
3.Mark Brunell
4.Todd Collins
5.Casey Bramlet.

lol j/k.

Here's mine.
1.Tom Brady(the guys just wins and if he had a receiver who could've hold on to the ball, he would've been in his 4th Super Bowl)
2.Peyton Manning(Greatest regular season QB I have ever seen but chokes big time in the playoffs. Colts won the SB with great defense and a running game. Manning "Mark Brunelled" his way into a championship)
3.Drew Brees(would've been MVP if not for LT's record breaking year.)
4.Carson Palmer(Was playing probably better than any QB in the league until the Pittsburgh D-lineman dove at his knee.)
5.Donovan McNabb.

[ptr77]

Gotta say I agree with these lists for the most part dude. However, I have a few slight changes:

Brett Favre (If it hadn't been for his resurgence this season, Garcia would be #1 on this)
Jeff Garcia (Played Quite well, can he keep it up?)
Steve Mcnair (solid game managar, looked kinda dead in the post season)
Trent Green (I think they would've been better off with Huard)

Young:
Tony Romo (Looked good, but let's see how he does as the starter from the beginning)
Big Ben (Still won a SB and did lead the Steelers to 15-1 record in his rookie season)
Eli Manning (Has shown flashes of brilliance, but needs to become consistent in order to live up to the hype)
Rex Grossman (crap)

Great potential:
Vince Young (This kid proved me wrong, he worked some intense magic. He's something special)
Jason Campbell (Solid play, exciting future ahead of him)
Alex Smith (Really rebounded from his ugly rookie season)
Matt Leinart (Gonna take another year to really adjust to the pros, might make a rebound like Smith)
JP Losman (I'm not convinced)

This might be homer bias (I am a giants fan), but i can' put roth ahead of eli in any way. His best games came in the playoffs when he actually lead his team, in the superbowl he hurt is team badly. In most of his games his rookie year it was the oline, defense, and running game. He is a great game manager and is great at keeping defenses honest (deep ball). This year whether due to his injuries or having to actually lead his team, he became a turnover machine (i think he kind of was before, its just when you go from 20 throws a game to 40 it looks a lot worse).
Romo, grossman, eli, roth, all have to cut down on fumbles, unneeded sacks, and interceptions, they all can be accurate, throw deep, and make plays. They all made boneheaded mistakes this year. That is a reason why redskins fans should be happy with campbell right now, he isn't lighting the league up but he also isn't doing boneheaded things, he is being "super smart" and has all the natural ability needed to be a steve mcnair type quarterback. Phillip rivers also seems to have that knack for playing smart, but i would think tomlinson, gates, and one of the best olines in the league has a lot to do with it. I am glad delhomme, vick, culpepper, and bledsoe were all exposed heavily this year, delhomme is as good as his supporting cast, vick and culpepper are dumb, and bledsoe is too slow and again dumb. Even hasselbeck looked bad this year, almost like Eli. Huard and garcia imo are system QBs, take garcia out of the WCO and he is dead, tkae huard out of the chiefs system and i dunno but i doubt he plays that well. Smith played a lot better, but the stats don't look that good yet, I imagine once davis improves and he gets good WRs smith will be a very good qb. Cutler really impressed me, but it is too early for me to say much on him.

[Skins4481]

I just don't see how you can't put Manning at the top of the list. The title says as of now, and as of now Manning is the Super Bowl MVP and the Super Bowl Champion. He even beat Brady's team.

If Reche Caldwell could've held on to at least one of the two wide open balls he dropped the Patriots would be in the Super Bowl.

[sableholic]

If Reche Caldwell could've held on to at least one of the two wide open balls he dropped the Patriots would be in the Super Bowl.

You don't know that. Dropped passes happens to everyone. Don't make excuses. His team lost. Manning drove the Colts down the field and beat the Pats. Brady had another chance and threw a interception. Don't kid yourself.

[Hero21]

I just don't see how you can't put Manning at the top of the list. The title says as of now, and as of now Manning is the Super Bowl MVP and the Super Bowl Champion. He even beat Brady's team.

I'm not taking anything away from Peyton dude. I admit he's a great QB, one of the best of our era. But the fact that remains that Tom has not only won 2 more rings then Peyton, but has proven consistently more clutch, and more resourceful, taking full advantage of his weapons (no matter how small they were).

[bubba9497]

If Reche Caldwell could've held on to at least one of the two wide open balls he dropped the Patriots would be in the Super Bowl.

and you can play the "if" game for the Colts loses, and several of the Pat's close wins starting with the infamous "tuck rule"

[TheREALJBird]

and you can play the "if" game for the Colts loses, and several of the Pat's close wins starting with the infamous "tuck rule"

To further that, if the "tuck rule" wouldn't have bailed the Pats out of that game, I guarantee Tom Brady would just be another name and the Patriots would have never even came close to being a modern day dynasty

[bubba9497]

I'm not taking anything away from Peyton dude. I admit he's a great QB, one of the best of our era. But the fact that remains that Tom has not only won 2 more rings then Peyton, but has proven consistently more clutch, and more resourceful, taking full advantage of his weapons (no matter how small they were).


actually Brady has fewer come from behind 4th qtr victories, by less than half, and he has had one of the best defenses almost every year, and up until this season the best clutch pk'er

Wins are a team thing, Mannings numbers, wins, and the fact he calls almost all his own plays puts him well above Brady

[HEavyJumbo85]

I just don't see how you can't put Manning at the top of the list. The title says as of now, and as of now Manning is the Super Bowl MVP and the Super Bowl Champion. He even beat Brady's team.

mostly because a couple years back Tom beat Peyton's team, Tom has 3 rings, and 2 Super Bowl MVPs. They're both great, if Manning's Colts have another deep playoff run that might close the gap. But as of now Tom is still 10-2 in the playoffs 3-0 in SuperBowls and has 2, easily could have had 3 MVPs. He's still the best in my mind.

[DWinzit]

1.-5. Manning that's it, that's the list :D

he's a Vol :D
Bubba, did you just blow an orange and white wad?

[bubba9497]

To further that, if the "tuck rule" wouldn't have bailed the Pats out of that game, I guarantee Tom Brady would just be another name and the Patriots would have never even came close to being a modern day dynasty


I agree, as do many others.

[bubba9497]

Bubba, did you just blow an orange and white wad?

just having some fun

[bubba9497]

mostly because a couple years back Tom beat Peyton's team, Tom has 3 rings, and 2 Super Bowl MVPs. They're both great, if Manning's Colts have another deep playoff run that might close the gap. But as of now Tom is still 10-2 in the playoffs 3-0 in SuperBowls and has 2, easily could have had 3 MVPs. He's still the best in my mind.


the Patroits won 3, 2 by FG, and a top rated defense

and for the most part except ints (because of this year) Manning has better overall playoff numbers.

[DWinzit]

Manning
Brady
Brees
Palmer
McNabb
Campbell:D

[The-Rock]

Someone should study us. By us I mean football fans. We have a strange need to categorize things in lists of 5 or 10. I dont know why we have to do it but we do, apparently.

1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. Palmer
5. McNugget

edit* great, by no intention of my own my list is identical to the one above me. Fantastic :doh:

[DWinzit]

edit* great, by no intention of my own my list is identical to the one above me. Fantastic :doh:
:laugh: I think you have a darn good list!:laugh:

[The-Rock]

:laugh: I think you have a darn good list!:laugh:


Hey, I did spell McNabb "McNugget"...


That gets me some kind of creativity points right?

[Fanatic684]

Hmm, Manning or Brady as number one. I honestly can't decide. Anyone who claims one is significantly better than the other is fooling himself.

If you make the argument that Brady has had a better defense, well, Manning wouldn't have won the Superbowl if his defense hadn't played so well in the playoffs this year, especially the first two playoff games.

Vinatieri? He kicks the big winners for the Pats, and also pretty much scored all the points for his Colts team against the Chiefs and Ravens.

Numbers? Manning has better regular season numbers, so he's the better regular season QB. But I believe Brady has also had less to work with, especially this year.

Both are great team leaders, smart QBs, and neither are injury prone. And of course they are good public figures for the game. I think it's cool that they're friends too.

I think you can at least say that they are the clear 1 and 2, in whatever order you want to put them.

[Hero21]

Someone should study us. By us I mean football fans. We have a strange need to categorize things in lists of 5 or 10. I dont know why we have to do it but we do, apparently.

1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. Palmer
5. McNugget

edit* great, by no intention of my own my list is identical to the one above me. Fantastic :doh:

like i said, all good things come in fives! :silly: (and in this case, tens)

[Warhead36]

1. Peyton Manning

2. Tom Brady

3. Drew Brees

4. Carson Palmer

5. Donovan McNabb

[sableholic]

mostly because a couple years back Tom beat Peyton's team, Tom has 3 rings, and 2 Super Bowl MVPs. They're both great, if Manning's Colts have another deep playoff run that might close the gap. But as of now Tom is still 10-2 in the playoffs 3-0 in SuperBowls and has 2, easily could have had 3 MVPs. He's still the best in my mind.

At this moment though who just won the Super Bowl and beat the other quarterback prior to the super bowl? Manning. It doesn't say who is the best QB over the past 5 years.

[Smurf85]

1. Peyton Manning

2. Tom Brady

3. Drew Brees

4. Carson Palmer

5. Donovan McNabb

Take out Brady and this is my list.I just cna't put Brady in there.I hate that SOB and his coach.

[909997]

brady should not be rated higher then manning

patriots won the 3 superbowl not brady

and not having dan marino in top 5 is just insane

and for brady lovers

if brady played for another team he would't even sniff the afc championships

[CaptChaos86]

This is too easy.

1) Jason Campbell
2) Mark Brunell
3) Todd Collins

Thats all.

[RedskinsNation]

Current Day Top 5 -

1. Manning
2. Brees
3. Brady
4. Palmer
5. McNabb (hopefully for his sake the Grant Hill/Ken Griffey Jr of the NFL gets healthy in the near future).

[Hero21]

brady should not be rated higher then manning

patriots won the 3 superbowl not brady

and not having dan marino in top 5 is just insane

and for brady lovers

if brady played for another team he would't even sniff the afc championships

dude i'm talking about CURRENT players. if i was talking about all time, i'd have guys like montana, unitas, young, and marino in the list.

and i think it's the other way around. had the patriots not had brady, they most likely wouldn't have gotten as far as they had. i'm pretty sure that brady is the real thing and not some system QB that you make him out to be.

[Riggo-toni]

1. Brady
2. Brady
3. Manning
4. Brees
5. Hasselbeck

[FlyinO]

If Reche Caldwell could've held on to at least one of the two wide open balls he dropped the Patriots would be in the Super Bowl.

If the Chargers wideouts woulda caught anything and that one guy doesn't fumble a Brady interception you wouldn't even be able to talk about this.

[Riggo-toni]

brady should not be rated higher then manning

patriots won the 3 superbowl not brady

and not having dan marino in top 5 is just insane

and for brady lovers

if brady played for another team he would't even sniff the afc championships

I guess someone forgot to tell you Marino retired.
Brady played better in the playoffs than anyone. If Caldwell hadn't dropped that easy TD pass, Manning would've been watching the game from home as always. Manning is throwing to 2 pro-bowl WRs. Not only did NE not have a legit #1 WR, they didn't even have a legit #2. No way Manning puts up 30 points with Reche Caldwell and Troy Brown. The Pats D won their first SB, I'll grant you, but Brady has been the best QB in the NFL ever since. Period!

[Califan007]

I guess someone forgot to tell you Marino retired.
Brady played better in the playoffs than anyone. If Caldwell hadn't dropped that easy TD pass, Manning would've been watching the game from home as always. Manning is throwing to 2 pro-bowl WRs. Not only did NE not have a legit #1 WR, they didn't even have a legit #2. No way Manning puts up 30 points with Reche Caldwell and Troy Brown. The Pats D won their first SB, I'll grant you, but Brady has been the best QB in the NFL ever since. Period!
I think I agree with this...

[Fanatic684]

Anyone can play the "if" game until they're blue in the face. If the Charger didn't drop the int by Brady they wouldn't have advanced, if Manning's D didn't carry the team in the first two playoff games they wouldn't have advanced, etc etc.

In my opinion, neither the Patriots or the Colts are in the playoffs without Brady and Manning. Without Brady, that offense stinks, he had to adjust to mediocre receivers, some of whom were inserted mid-season. And without Manning, the regular season offense does not do enough to cover for the bad regular season run defense. And without Vinatieri, do either of these two even have rings? :silly:

These two teams and quarterbacks are going to battle it out in the AFC for years to come I think.

[Jethrodsp]

I'll do it like this:

Top 5 QBs I would most like to run my offense:
1. Manning - always been the best to me.
2. Brady - always been #2.
3. Palmer - Carson makes the top 3 hard for me to distinguish.
4.(t) McNabb - the guy has been Philly's offense for years.
4.(t) Brees - had a couple good years in San Diego and a great year in New Orleans.

[BigRay]

1. Manning


2. Brady

3. Brees

4. Palmer

5. McNabb

[skeenzfan]

1.Manning
2 Brady
3 Palmer
4 Mcnabb
5 Brees

[Darc Requiem]

1. Eli Manning
2. Jake Plummer
3. Jake Delhomme
4. David Carr
5. Michael Vick

Oh you mean the TOP five, sorry thought you said bottom 5 :thumbsup:

[ptr77]

1. Eli Manning
2. Jake Plummer
3. Jake Delhomme
4. David Carr
5. Michael Vick

Oh you mean the TOP five, sorry thought you said bottom 5 :thumbsup:

Jay cutler, charlie frye, rex grossman, jason campbell, jp losman, alex smith, matt leinart, are all better than those guys? I can't see how you would put delhomme in the bottom five, he is middle of the pack, same with Eli.

[OWUeagleMD]

Jay cutler, charlie frye, rex grossman, jason campbell, jp losman, alex smith, matt leinart, are all better than those guys? I can't see how you would put delhomme in the bottom five, he is middle of the pack, same with Eli.


I'll take Jay Cutler, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Alex Smith and Matt Leinart over Eli Manning if I'm starting a franchise today.

Edit: Maybe not Leinart...

[ptr77]

I'll take Jay Cutler, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Alex Smith and Matt Leinart over Eli Manning if I'm starting a franchise today.

Edit: Maybe not Leinart...

Lol, good to hear... Jason campbell is coachable and doesn't make big mistakes so that isn't so crazy but i doubt campbell starts tossing 24 tds next year.Cutler is jake plummer vs. 2. Alex smith has thrown ten more ints than tds, eli has thrown 10 more tds than ints. Losman isn't that impressive to me, he threw 14 ints and 19 tds. Which guys on that list have thrown 48 tds in their last two years of play? Eagles fans seem to forget eli has had some good games against them, and has beat them 3 times. You are the same guy that thinks the eagles current third string qb can lead the team if mcnabb goes down (again)...

You can bash eli for his 18 interceptions this year, but the man puts points on the board, more than even mcnabb has the last two years. His completion percentage at 57.7 is no worse than mcnabb's was in his third year, his only major problem is his bad decision interceptions, which often occurs when he gets pressure right in his face (and then his mechanics fall apart). Eli made the playoffs 2 years in a row, and he played a good enough game to win in philly, the defense just couldn't hold on to it (a problem guys like brady and mcnabb never had). Don't tell me how a dominant run game lead the team and eli was just there for the ride, eli has over 520 attempts in each of the past seasons. If you can't say eli manning is a top 16 qb then you are just a sad hater imo.

[Oldskool]

1. Manning
2. Palmer
3. Brady
4. Brees
5. McNabb

[desioreo87]

Could you guys stop using the whole reche caldwell dropping that easy pass in the endzone thing. The pats still got a TD on that drive. So you cant use that anymore.

My Top 5:

1. Manning (No one in NFL history had the ability of this guy. He is the best quarterback)
2. Brady (the guy wins and hes a good quarterback, but hes this high cause he just wins.
3. Drew Brees - if he puts up another season like last year, hes moving up to 2.
4. Bulger - no one talks about him but hes a great QB.
5. CP

[sableholic]

Could you guys stop using the whole reche caldwell dropping that easy pass in the endzone thing. The pats still got a TD on that drive. So you cant use that anymore.

Shhh don't try and tell them the truth, they don't want to hear that.

[Capt'n Obvious]

1. Peyton Manning

2. Tom Brady

3. Carson Palmer

4. Drew Brees

5. Donovan McNabb

I hope Jason Campbell rises up this list in the years to come.

:logo:

[MartinC]

1. Manning

2. Brady
3. Palmer
4. Brees
5. McNabb

[pointyfootball]

Don't tell me how a dominant run game lead the team and eli was just there for the ride, eli has over 520 attempts in each of the past seasons. If you can't say eli manning is a top 16 qb then you are just a sad hater imo.

I think most people's opinions, including mine, are based on the general direction Manning's career seems to be taking. To be honest, he has looked incredibly Grossmanlike in several key situations this past season. Yes, there are times when he looks like he could match his brother's abilities, but so far he seems to have underachieved. The most telling incident was last year's playoff loss. Having Shockey, Toomer, Plax and Tiki and not garnering ONE point was amazing. Not all his fault (coaches especially), but he has to share some of the burden.

I would definitely take him over Grossman, Culpepper, BJohnson, Carr, Simms, Delhomme, either of Jax's QBs, Vick, Campbell (right now), Losman, Young (right now), and maybe some of the other QBs right now, but after that it's questionable. Thing is, he's still young and as a Eagles' fan I hope he doesn't improve, but with better coaching he no doubt could get even better.

Other major issue with Eli is how he and his family stiffed SD only to get sent to the toughest city to play football in due to the media. He isn't going to get any slack due to that trade and the city he's playing in.

[ptr77]

I think most people's opinions, including mine, are based on the general direction Manning's career seems to be taking. To be honest, he has looked incredibly Grossmanlike in several key situations this past season. Yes, there are times when he looks like he could match his brother's abilities, but so far he seems to have underachieved. The most telling incident was last year's playoff loss. Having Shockey, Toomer, Plax and Tiki and not garnering ONE point was amazing. Not all his fault (coaches especially), but he has to share some of the burden.

I would definitely take him over Grossman, Culpepper, BJohnson, Carr, Simms, Delhomme, either of Jax's QBs, Vick, Campbell (right now), Losman, Young (right now), and maybe some of the other QBs right now, but after that it's questionable. Thing is, he's still young and as a Eagles' fan I hope he doesn't improve, but with better coaching he no doubt could get even better.

Other major issue with Eli is how he and his family stiffed SD only to get sent to the toughest city to play football in due to the media. He isn't going to get any slack due to that trade and the city he's playing in.

I'm not touting eli as a top 10 qb, or even top 12, I'm just saying you can't argue with his results and the points he puts up. Eli pretty much played the same over the last two season's, same td numbers, higher comp %, 1 more int. The OC this year didn't throw the ball downfieild as much as last year, and coughlin and gilbride both want more of that (i disagree). Eli is good on the deepball, but burress often quits on routes, and burress is a slow deep threat, the giants have no true burner with hands right now. Eli is just grossman with more potential right now, Eli can come back in the 4th, but he still makes grossman-like mistakes. Grossman has been in the league long enough i can't see him improving much more, he has studied for over 4 years and the coaches still don't trust him, eli's coaches do trust him, maybe too much sometimes. The only difference between eli and grossman is grossman is in a 1 read offense and never audibles, eli usually has 3 reads, and 3 plays to call at the LOS as well as audibles. Before toomer and luke went down, eli was playing very well, he just isn't good enough yet to make receivers better (like manning, brady, and brees). If eli can throw 24 tds next year with 60% comp and 16 ints with a winning record thats good enough for him to be top 10 imo, but he will almost for sure never live up to his draft status. I'm hoping eli hasn't maxed out his potential, but if he needs to rely on the his teammates staying healthy (shockey, moss, toomer, luke) the giants are not in good shape.

[OWUeagleMD]

Lol, good to hear... Jason campbell is coachable and doesn't make big mistakes so that isn't so crazy but i doubt campbell starts tossing 24 tds next year.Cutler is jake plummer vs. 2. Alex smith has thrown ten more ints than tds, eli has thrown 10 more tds than ints. Losman isn't that impressive to me, he threw 14 ints and 19 tds. Which guys on that list have thrown 48 tds in their last two years of play? Eagles fans seem to forget eli has had some good games against them, and has beat them 3 times. You are the same guy that thinks the eagles current third string qb can lead the team if mcnabb goes down (again)...

You can bash eli for his 18 interceptions this year, but the man puts points on the board, more than even mcnabb has the last two years. His completion percentage at 57.7 is no worse than mcnabb's was in his third year, his only major problem is his bad decision interceptions, which often occurs when he gets pressure right in his face (and then his mechanics fall apart). Eli made the playoffs 2 years in a row, and he played a good enough game to win in philly, the defense just couldn't hold on to it (a problem guys like brady and mcnabb never had). Don't tell me how a dominant run game lead the team and eli was just there for the ride, eli has over 520 attempts in each of the past seasons. If you can't say eli manning is a top 16 qb then you are just a sad hater imo.

I think AJ Feeley can keep the tam from going 0-4 if McNabb isn't ready to go. It's not like I think we're going to win the Super Bowl if McNabb is out for the season. Feeley's done it before in a desperate situation and I think he could do it again, given proper support from the running game and defense.

Manning has had plenty of success, sure, but since the impressive two minute drill against Denver two years ago he has gradually regressed as a QB. The fact that his mechanics fall apart when he has pressure on him says a lot about his future as a QB.

Impressive as his numbers have been from time to time, keep in mind the weapons he works with. Plaxico, Shockey, Barber and Toomer are quite a contingent of skill players, a better group than any of the guys mentioned above are working with.

I don't think Manning is a scrub, but I've seen enough out of him to have a pretty good feel for what he's going to be in his career. Not to mention, you use his two playoffs trips as a support to his game, but I could just as easily quote his 0-2 playoff record as further justification of my opinion.

[Hero21]

Other major issue with Eli is how he and his family stiffed SD only to get sent to the toughest city to play football in due to the media. He isn't going to get any slack due to that trade and the city he's playing in.

Heehee, this Bang cartoon comes to mind after thinking about that trade.

The Bunker (http://www.bangcartoon.com/cartoons/index.cfm/fa/viewcartoon/cartoon/2006Archive%7Cbunker.swf)

[CoachingWinsChampionships]

You can bash eli for his 18 interceptions this year, but the man puts points on the board, more than even mcnabb has the last two years.

You do know McNabb was injured, right?

His only major problem is his bad decision interceptions, which often occurs when he gets pressure right in his face (and then his mechanics fall apart).

The man is Brett Favre without the upside or half the arm. Favre can throw those off-balance, awkward looking passes that come in at 100 mph, but Eli tries them and he just simply can't do it. The decision of which receivers are open is different for every QB... someone should tell Eli that.


Don't tell me how a dominant run game lead the team and eli was just there for the ride, eli has over 520 attempts in each of the past seasons.

Tiki Barber absolutely carried the Giants the past several years. Ask any Redskins fan. And those 520+ attempts placed the Giants 14th in the NFL in terms of pass attempts. Baltimore had more pass attempts than the Giants. Are you gonna tell me that Steve McNair carried Baltimore and not a power run game and an insane defense?

Eli Manning just doesn't have what it takes. He'll never amount to anything special.