LOST is here

[dreamingwolf]

I kinda wished they would have replayed the what six episodes they showed months ago to lead in the return. I cant wait.

[codeorama]

I kinda wished they would have replayed the what six episodes they showed months ago to lead in the return. I cant wait.

I saved them on my tivo... :geek:











And I'm pumped for Wed night as well... :cheers:

[Mr. S]

oh man, I gotta try and re-watch the 6th episode, or hopefully they re-air it on wednesday night, either way, this was what I looked forward to after the super bowl ended.

[skin-em]

I hate the time change

[oriolesfan93p]

oh man, I gotta try and re-watch the 6th episode, or hopefully they re-air it on wednesday night, either way, this was what I looked forward to after the super bowl ended.

Starting at 9 I believe they will be airing one of those recap episodes that will bring you up to date from the beginning of the season to this point, I don't know if it will cover the entire show up to this point or if it will just be the current season up to this point...

As for the time change, yeah, it sucks big time....

[JMS]

If you don't have the last few episodes you can download them from the itunes store for about one $ each. You can download the software for free from www.itunes.com (http://www.itunes.com).


The reason why they stopped airing the repeated episodes was because the veiewership dropped to nothing on those episodes. The production times are so slow for Lost that they couldn't keep up with the full season of shows. So they would show repeats in the middle of the season. This dragged the entire ABC networks ratings down people were so pissed.

I'm glad lost is back too. I also heard they were already negotiating the end of the series. It won't be like Giligan's Island where they never get off. They've already told the network when they're ending the series.. I think one more season.

[coldpacker]

i'm pretty sure these are the last 6 espisodes.. merry christmas, all video are perfectly legal. Just click launch and scroll to the lost section

http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing

[jrockster21]

Wait....time change?

Is this Wednesday is a new episode, or a recap episode?

[jrockster21]

They've got a couple teasers up on the home page: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index

[rictus58]

Wednesday is both. Recap at 9. New episode at 10pm.

[CTaylor42]

I can't wait for it's return as well. Here is a review by EW on the upcoming episode. I didn't read it because I was afraid of spoilers. If you don't mind possible spoilers here it is:
http://www.ew.com/ew/tv/tonights_best_tv/0,,3,00.html



Starting at 9 I believe they will be airing one of those recap episodes that will bring you up to date from the beginning of the season to this point, I don't know if it will cover the entire show up to this point or if it will just be the current season up to this point...

As for the time change, yeah, it sucks big time....


Here is the details from TV Guide on the recap at 9.

A recap of the series prior to the resumption of it's third season. Included: a look at how life on the Island has changed and shaped the characters, as well as a review of their backstories. Executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse host.

[Bryan81]

I am souring on LOST a little. I mean "the others" were all concerned about Aaron & kept trying to kidnap him & now they don't even care that he is there. The whole thing has just gotten to out of control, hopefully they fix it in the 2nd half of this season.

[dreamingwolf]

I now know what a crack addict feels when he smells crack burning when I see the commercials for LOSTcomming back tomorrow

[Gary Clark Fan]

I love the show.....but off the top of my head cant remember where they left off......I hope they give us an explanation of where in the hell mike and walter are and what about the boat at the end of lastseason that said they found something and placed a phone call to a lady who had appeared to be Desmond's girl.....So many questions not enough answers.

[dreamingwolf]

Ive been watching the first six episode in anticipation for tomorrow night on the abc site that cold packer listed. I dont think they have mentioned mike and walt in the first 6 episodes, but Ive only watched the first two so far. and was it a boat last season, I thought it was some artic listening station, I cant remember?

[Gary Clark Fan]

Ive been watching the first six episode in anticipation for tomorrow night on the abc site that cold packer listed. I dont think they have mentioned mike and walt in the first 6 episodes, but Ive only watched the first two so far. and was it a boat last season, I thought it was some artic listening station, I cant remember?

yea i was just being brief but there was a boat somewhere in an artic area (the guys were wearing heavy jackets and you could tell they were cold) and they were tryin to track something but then that was it

[codeorama]

yea i was just being brief but there was a boat somewhere in an artic area (the guys were wearing heavy jackets and you could tell they were cold) and they were tryin to track something but then that was it


They detected a magnetic anomaly, which was of course the hatch imploding...

[dreamingwolf]

for some reason I thought they were in a tent, its been so long ago it very well could have been a boat I will have to see if I can find that episode.

[dreamingwolf]

I hate the time change

at first I wasnt thrilled about the time change, but now that I think about it if theres a wizards game on LOST will come on after it since most games end arround 9:30.

[jbooma]

They need to copy what 24 does and just start the season in January.

The way it ended was Jack told the "others" that he will kill the main bad guy (let him bleed to death during surgery) or they had to let Kate get leave. The only problem is there is no way off the island they are on right now and Jack does not know this. The other problem is Sawyer is about to be killed by the husband of the lady that they killed.

[McMetal]

Ho-hum.

They've found every way possible to kill people's interest in this show. Relentless repeats last year, interminable hiatus this year, plodding storylines that go nowhere, that insane ARG, moving timeslots, etc etc. I barely care enough to keep watching.

This show was SO GOOD when it first started...now they're getting their ass handed to them weekly by Heroes and Battlestar Galactica.

[jrockster21]

for some reason I thought they were in a tent, its been so long ago it very well could have been a boat I will have to see if I can find that episode.

They were in Antarctica I believe, at a Seismic research station. That's what I remember, anyway...

[jbooma]

Ho-hum.

They've found every way possible to kill people's interest in this show. Relentless repeats last year, interminable hiatus this year, plodding storylines that go nowhere, that insane ARG, moving timeslots, etc etc. I barely care enough to keep watching.

This show was SO GOOD when it first started...now they're getting their ass handed to them weekly by Heroes and Battlestar Galactica.

then don't watch :)

[CTaylor42]

They need to copy what 24 does and just start the season in January.

They are next year. 22 straight episodes with no breaks. I'm not sure when the season will start.

[Reic]

I personally like the time change cause now I can watch criminal minds at 9 with my girlfriend and LOST at 10. I love the show, only missed one episode in the first season.


It was a research station on antarctica that had the red phone that rang and desmon's girl answered.

My sisters b/f is a huge LOST fan also, he has notebooks filled with notes and has the box sets, he has a lot of stuff written down that is insane if you only watch the show on TV.

One epsode there was a man in the clouds and on the episode with the shark swimming with mike and sawyer, the shark had the ( I can't for the life of me remember the companys name) logo on it (whichever company has all the cameras in the hold).

[zoony]

Ho-hum.

They've found every way possible to kill people's interest in this show. Relentless repeats last year, interminable hiatus this year, plodding storylines that go nowhere, that insane ARG, moving timeslots, etc etc. I barely care enough to keep watching.

This show was SO GOOD when it first started...now they're getting their ass handed to them weekly by Heroes and Battlestar Galactica.



I have to agree.

This is almost like a social experiment... where a major TV Network tries it's level best to kill interest and ruin a perfectly good show. :mad:

That said, I'll still watch, even though 10 is past my bedtime. :)

..

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

BTW, it's spelled coming. One m.

Word police out.

[DixieFlatline]

I'm so bummed, I won't be able to watch it until Thursday. After all, the UNC/Duke game is on.

[DixieFlatline]

They were in Antarctica I believe, at a Seismic research station. That's what I remember, anyway...

Do we know its Antartica or just some place real cold with snow?

[kevin11]

I gave up on it. I used to watch it, but I just got too lazy and stopped watching. I missed the entire 2nd season.

[dreamingwolf]

Do we know its Antartica or just some place real cold with snow?

[The scene suddenly switches to a landscape of snowy peaks in blizzard conditions. The camera pulls back to reveal that it's a shot through a window. We see the inside of a fairly small shelter filled with equipment and laundry hanging from lines. One man is getting coffee while another man waits at a chess board.]

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Live_Together%2C_Die_Alone_%28Part_1_and_2%29_tran script

thats the best I can find, Ive been putting off buying season 2 on dvd. It doesnt say if they said exactly where it was but I dont think antartica is a bad guess. Could be anywhere I suppose, I dont remember if they said where it was.

[dreamingwolf]

I gave up on it. I used to watch it, but I just got too lazy and stopped watching. I missed the entire 2nd season.

the amazing thing about the addictioin, is that it is so strong that when its in the air people have to come and atleast hang arround it even if they are trying to stay clean by denying the addiction aloud.

[CTaylor42]

the amazing thing about the addictioin, is that it is so strong that when its in the air people have to come and atleast hang arround it even if they are trying to stay clean by denying the addiction aloud.

My name is CTaylor42 and I'm an addict. :D

[McMetal]

then don't watch :)

I still barely care. There's always the chance the show could improve.

Besides, some things irritate you so much you can't resist them - like picking a scab or reading "Funky Winkerbean".

[codeorama]

the amazing thing about the addictioin, is that it is so strong that when its in the air people have to come and atleast hang arround it even if they are trying to stay clean by denying the addiction aloud.

:laugh: :laugh: :notworthy

[oriolesfan93p]

Ho-hum.

They've found every way possible to kill people's interest in this show. Relentless repeats last year, interminable hiatus this year, plodding storylines that go nowhere, that insane ARG, moving timeslots, etc etc. I barely care enough to keep watching.

This show was SO GOOD when it first started...now they're getting their ass handed to them weekly by Heroes and Battlestar Galactica.

Well, Lets see, to address your(and everyone elses) complaints of relentless repeats of last year they this year decided to have the long hiatus this year, and have stated already that next year will be straight through like 24.

If the show wasn't still "so good" then it wouldn't have been a "interminable hiatus" as you put it but simply a time gap between episodes. That being said, there will be no more missing weeks before the season finalie and no more missing weeks next season, so I would say that they are addressing the concerns of the viewership nicely.

I do hate the time switch, I will have to adjust my viewing time to the night after the show by watching on my tivo most nights, but other than that I love the show and am happier with a hiatus than I am incessant reruns for 3 weeks when you are waiting for a new episode, just to get 2 new episodes and then 3 more reruns....

[dreamingwolf]

the last couple days Ive been watching the first episodes of this season on http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing , and I just finished watching where they left off and my heart was pumping. I cant wait the count down has begun. I will probably watch the last 10 minutes again right before LOST comes on.

[turtle]

Allright shows on!!!!

[DjTj]

Juliet is a *****!

['Skins_&_'Stons]

AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME!



What a beginning!!





LOST is HANDS-DOWN the best show on TV.

[turtle]

OH ****! Ben's awake!

['Skins_&_'Stons]

OH ****! Ben's awake!

Love it!

[skins1206]

ok WTF was that?

['Skins_&_'Stons]

ok WTF was that?

sensory depravation

[verneukery]

anyone catch tonights' episode?

[skins1206]

anyone catch tonights' episode?

ummmm its still on haha

[zoony]

Good episode!


The ending was really good. Finally, some :hump:ing questions are being answered.


...

['Skins_&_'Stons]

Good episode!


The ending was really good. Finally, some :hump:ing questions are being answered.


...

Friggin kick @ss episode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[dreamingwolf]

sensory depravation

are you talking about what was happening to the french chicks daughters boyfriend sensory depravation? That was some clockwork orange brainwashing, if anything it was sensory saturation.

[dreamingwolf]

I was wondering, do you think Ben raped Kate? her wrists were pretty mangled when they first put her in the cage, and that might explain why Ben wanted them to escape cause he was hoping he got her pregnant.

[WVUforREDSKINS]

are you talking about what was happening to the french chicks daughters boyfriend sensory depravation? That was some clockwork orange brainwashing, if anything it was sensory saturation.

First thing I thought of was clockwork orange.

I am excited to see what this whole thing is. The woman (I forget her name) was only suppose to be there six months. I think she said she has been there for over 3 years because Henry wouldn't let her go.

I wonder where their little village and neighborhood is?? Remember the beginning of the episode where they are all at like a community book club meeting and then you see the plane crash? Where the heck is that place??

[dreamingwolf]

was totally clockwork orange

Her name is Juilet, and their village is near the shore of the island and by boat they could have easily made land fall out of view and treked to the sites inside an hour being 2 miles away.

[jrockster21]

Good episode. I can't wait for next week!

Did anyone else think that Ben said "I'd rather die than see those two escape" instead of what Juliet said? :laugh:

[dreamingwolf]

Good episode. I can't wait for next week!

Did anyone else think that Ben said "I'd rather die than see those two escape" instead of what Juliet said? :laugh:

I would think it was more like "if you make me die, the guy with the eye patch will make the smoke monster come for you"

[Mr. S]

I missed the part about why Juliet told Alex she had to remain, what was the conversationg? Something about Alex's father not wanting her to leave?

[PokerPacker]

I missed the part about why Juliet told Alex she had to remain, what was the conversationg? Something about Alex's father not wanting her to leave?
that would be it.

[codeorama]

Great great episode. Definately top 3 IMO. Wow.



Wow.

[Mr. S]

that would be it.

right, I guess I missed the part of who Alex's father is, or didn't pick up on it. Was it Ben?

[codeorama]

Ben is Alex's father.

[codeorama]

How 'bout Sawyers "Wookie prisoner" comment....


LOL.

[jrockster21]

Great great episode. Definately top 3 IMO. Wow.

Wow.


Top 3? I wouldn't rank it that high, but it was definitely a good episode.

I can't remember what Sawyer's wookie comment was...can you remind me? :D

[codeorama]

Top 3? I wouldn't rank it that high, but it was definitely a good episode.

I can't remember what Sawyer's wookie comment was...can you remind me? :D


When he was "fake handcuffed" and they walked up on that guy with the gun that was guarding the area where Alex's boyfriend was being held, after they beat him down, he said something along the lines of "You fell for the Wookie prisoner trick".

The reason I enjoyed it as a top 3 episode is because we saw how Juliet ended up on the island, her ex husband getting killed the way he did was awesome and really makes you question how much power dharma has and the end was just amazing.
Just my opinion of course..... :D

[jrockster21]

When he was "fake handcuffed" and they walked up on that guy with the gun that was guarding the area where Alex's boyfriend was being held, after they beat him down, he said something along the lines of "You fell for the Wookie prisoner trick".

Ahhhhhh....okay. I didn't understand what he said there the first time. That is much funnier than what I thought he said!! :laugh:


The reason I enjoyed it as a top 3 episode is because we saw how Juliet ended up on the island, her ex husband getting killed the way he did was awesome and really makes you question how much power dharma has and the end was just amazing.
Just my opinion of course..... :D

Yeah, it was a good episode. Definitely 10 times better than anything we've seen in season 3 so far.

Speaking of the guy dying - as soon as she said "If he got hit by a bus I could take the job!" I knew he was going to get killed that way. Anyone else think that?

[codeorama]

Speaking of the guy dying - as soon as she said "If he got hit by a bus I could take the job!" I knew he was going to get killed that way. Anyone else think that?


I saw that coming too.... Still, very cool.... :applause:

[rincewind]

How 'bout Sawyers "Wookie prisoner" comment....


LOL.


Best line of the show - maybe the best Lost line ever. :laugh:



Ben is Alex's father.


Another great Sawyer line - "The boss's daughter, huh? Didn't see that one coming."







Great episode. Carl was kept in room 23 - not only one of the numbers, but evidently the number of the Devil. Also, another book reference - the guard that fell for the 'wookie prisoner trick' was reading Hawking's 'A Brief History of Time'.

[RabidFan]

Clockwork Orange yes...but with the glasses it also made me think of Undercover Brother....."caucasian overload, caucasian overload!!" :)

[codeorama]

Best line of the show - maybe the best Lost line ever. :laugh:





Another great Sawyer line - "The boss's daughter, huh? Didn't see that one coming."


LOL... Sawyer's lines are always the best.

How about when he asked if Sayid wanted a job at his tent (a convienience store, with all the stuff he has stashed there) or calling Hurley Jabba... :laugh:

[codeorama]

Day 1 on the island was Wednesday, September 22, 2004.

The current day (last night's episode) Day 73 since the crash - Friday, December 3, 2004

Subtract Juliet's Time on Island, 3 years, 2 months and 28 days.

What is that?

[codeorama]

http://one.revver.com/watch/165062/flv


Possible spoiler, highlight to read.
Juliet, Juliet it's me, I've been trying to contact you for years and warn you......since I knew they were coming to get you....since before you left.....this is the only way....communications out there Juliet. But Hanso has been doing experiments on humans for years. and you're in one....the (inaudible) experiment. You are one. We all are. The hanso foundation, the JWC, Widmore Corporation, Mittelos Biosciences. It's all the same Juliet. Over a century they've been in control they've been killing us. They were trafficking slaves in the 1800's not to sell....They're going to KILL YOU!....And they were the ones who commissioned Valenzetti....still doing experiments on humans......Just don't let them know that I contacted....

[codeorama]

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7179/mbproj1ur8.jpg

[rincewind]

Day 1 on the island was Wednesday, September 22, 2004.

The current day (last night's episode) Day 73 since the crash - Friday, December 3, 2004

Subtract Juliet's Time on Island, 3 years, 2 months and 28 days.

What is that?



How do you know last night was the 73rd day?

[codeorama]

How do you know last night was the 73rd day?


The lostpedia timeline...

[codeorama]

Based on that map, we don't know who is on the observation island...

[GibbsFactor]

Day 1 on the island was Wednesday, September 22, 2004.

The current day (last night's episode) Day 73 since the crash - Friday, December 3, 2004

Subtract Juliet's Time on Island, 3 years, 2 months and 28 days.

What is that?

September 6th?? 2001

[codeorama]

September 6th?? 2001

So, she left for the island right before 9/11...

[McMetal]

Based on that map, we don't know who is on the observation island...

Where did you get that from? It's fascinating.

It does seem odd that neither Desmond nor Michael, Jin, or Sawyer noticed any of the other islands during their departure/returns. Two miles is really not that far at all.

What we really should all be talking about is The Anagram, the major clue that was revealed in last night's episode, as per the producers.

Mittelos = "Lost Time"

Let's discuss.

Just a coincedence that on the pre-show they aired the clip with Hurley's comment to Sayid about the radio transmission possibly coming from "any time"? I think not.

26 year old woman with a 68 year old uterus? Hmmm...Lost Time, anyone?

This has all the elements of the Phildelphia Experiment...time travel, electromagnetism, invisibility, you name it.

Good episode. Let's see if they can sustain it.

[jrockster21]

Semi off-topic; I just recently learned that a friend from high school was the director's assistant for this season of Lost, and was in Hawaii filming while I was still there. :mad: I missed my chance to meet Evangeline and steal her away from the hobbit!! :(

Reason # 341005 to keep in touch with people from high school. Although she was not a great friend, I'm sure other people from HS would have known that she was out there!! :(

[McMetal]

Ben is Alex's father.

ADOPTED father.

She is Rousseau's daughter, and if Ben was really the father it's pretty certain she would have recognized him when she caught him in the net.

They have to be doing something with the kids they steal...adoption is probably one of the results.

[codeorama]

Where did you get that from? It's fascinating.

It does seem odd that neither Desmond nor Michael, Jin, or Sawyer noticed any of the other islands during their departure/returns. Two miles is really not that far at all.

What we really should all be talking about is The Anagram, the major clue that was revealed in last night's episode, as per the producers.

Mittelos = "Lost Time"

Let's discuss.

Just a coincedence that on the pre-show they aired the clip with Hurley's comment to Sayid about the radio transmission possibly coming from "any time"? I think not.

26 year old woman with a 68 year old uterus? Hmmm...Lost Time, anyone?

This has all the elements of the Phildelphia Experiment...time travel, electromagnetism, invisibility, you name it.

Good episode. Let's see if they can sustain it.


The map was posted on the "lost forum"....

The Lost Time anagram is cool.
Based on what I've read, IMO, it makes sense to me, that time on the island is moving at a different speed than from the real world.

[codeorama]

ADOPTED father.

She is Rousseau's daughter, and if Ben was really the father it's pretty certain she would have recognized him when she caught him in the net.

They have to be doing something with the kids they steal...adoption is probably one of the results.

Maybe... I wonder if they did something at some time to Rousseau that would have made Ben the real father?

But you are probably right, since she was taken from Rousseau at a young age, she could have just been told that Ben was her dad... :2cents:

[codeorama]

Semi off-topic; I just recently learned that a friend from high school was the director's assistant for this season of Lost, and was in Hawaii filming while I was still there. :mad: I missed my chance to meet Evangeline and steal her away from the hobbit!! :(

Reason # 341005 to keep in touch with people from high school. Although she was not a great friend, I'm sure other people from HS would have known that she was out there!! :(


Damn, you missed out on that... :laugh:

I think you could take the Hobbit as well... I'd put my money on you... :D

[jrockster21]

Maybe... I wonder if they did something at some time to Rousseau that would have made Ben the real father?

But you are probably right, since she was taken from Rousseau at a young age, she could have just been told that Ben was her dad... :2cents:


Maybe all the "others" are sterile, because of Juliet's experiments? Or maybe that is why she is there, to unsterilze them (the 80 year old womb in the 26 year old's body) Maybe that is a side-effect of their research on the island or something? They steal kids to repopulate themselves until they can do so themselves...or maybe her experiments involve extracting DNA from children or something along those lines...

[jrockster21]

Damn, you missed out on that... :laugh:

I think you could take the Hobbit as well... I'd put my money on you... :D


:laugh:

[Mufumonk]

Best line of the show - maybe the best Lost line ever. :laugh:





Another great Sawyer line - "The boss's daughter, huh? Didn't see that one coming."







Great episode. Carl was kept in room 23 - not only one of the numbers, but evidently the number of the Devil. Also, another book reference - the guard that fell for the 'wookie prisoner trick' was reading Hawking's 'A Brief History of Time'.


23 is the number for synchronicity.

[Mooka]

Great episode. So who's a lip reader and can read what Ben and Juliet were talking about?

[dreamingwolf]

The map was posted on the "lost forum"....

The Lost Time anagram is cool.
Based on what I've read, IMO, it makes sense to me, that time on the island is moving at a different speed than from the real world.

is that just a fans interpretation or is the map official?

[codeorama]

is that just a fans interpretation or is the map official?

It was taken from one of those "secret websites", I think the mittleos one...

[dreamingwolf]

It was taken from one of those "secret websites", I think the mittleos one...

so it is pretty much legitimate, so the big one Im guessing is where they started?

[McMetal]

Yes, the Big One is where they started. The control island is where Jack, Sawyer, and Kate were taken.

We have seen or heard nothing about the "Observation Island" unless that was where the community was located where the Others actually lived. We have no way of knowing. Perhaps that's where Jacob/Radzinsky/EyePatch guy lives...

[codeorama]

so it is pretty much legitimate, so the big one Im guessing is where they started?

Yes, the north small island is the one jack is on now, the small one to the west, well, we haven't seen that one yet. This was the first hint of a third island.

From reading at the lost forum, the producers hinted about a third island in a pod cast and supposedly, that may be the direction that Michael and Walt headed, but that wasn't a definate.

Not sure the eye patch guy would be on the observation island, because if he was, why would the hatch have a camera linked to the observation island?

But I have no clue, just throwing stuff out there...

[McMetal]

Not sure the eye patch guy would be on the observation island, because if he was, why would the hatch have a camera linked to the observation island?

But I have no clue, just throwing stuff out there...

Well, the ? station had been vacant for quite awhile, and they had to rig up the cameras to work again, so maybe it had some purpose originally and never got shut down. Maybe he needed to communicate with the people in that hatch for some reason.

I tell you what, the first damn thing everybody better do is all get together and pump that Karl kid for every single detail he knows about the island, the others, and everything else. It's maddening the way they don't share information.

Think about it - if Sayid had bothered to tell Kate about Rousseau's daughter Alex, Kate could have made the connection and said something when they were on the beach. "Oh by the way, Ben's not your father...he stole you from your mother when you were an infant and now she lives in the jungle like some half-crazy animal. Yep, maybe Juliet can explain it all to you...gotta go!"

They really need to start screwing with the Others' heads for a change.

[codeorama]

Well, the ? station had been vacant for quite awhile, and they had to rig up the cameras to work again, so maybe it had some purpose originally and never got shut down. Maybe he needed to communicate with the people in that hatch for some reason.

I tell you what, the first damn thing everybody better do is all get together and pump that Karl kid for every single detail he knows about the island, the others, and everything else. It's maddening the way they don't share information.

Think about it - if Sayid had bothered to tell Kate about Rousseau's daughter Alex, Kate could have made the connection and said something when they were on the beach. "Oh by the way, Ben's not your father...he stole you from your mother when you were an infant and now she lives in the jungle like some half-crazy animal. Yep, maybe Juliet can explain it all to you...gotta go!"

They really need to start screwing with the Others' heads for a change.


Yeah, I totally agree.... I can definately see a "tables turned on the Others" scenario playing out, but who knows.
LOL... that would be funny if Kate said that...
:laugh:

[Mr. S]

I hope Karl or whatever his name is shares some infor. Last nights episode certainly shed more light onto everything. Poor Juliet's ex-husband. I kind of liked how they showed different sides of Tom and Juliet, I kinda like Tom now after the way he handled things during the surgery. I guess we'll see what happens now between Ben and Jack.

[dreamingwolf]

Tom sure is a tough queen.

Im not so sure that karl is going to be in any shape to provide any intel, looks like they scrambled his brain up pretty good. Maybe after some recovery it will start comming back to him.

[codeorama]

I watched the episode again :geek: and noticed something I missed the first time....

Jack asked Tom why they had to do the procedure there, why couldn't they get Ben off the island, and Tom said that ever since the sky turned purple (the hatch implosion).... and then he was cut off because Jack nicked an artery.

[dreamingwolf]

I watched the episode again :geek: and noticed something I missed the first time....

Jack asked Tom why they had to do the procedure there, why couldn't they get Ben off the island, and Tom said that ever since the sky turned purple (the hatch implosion).... and then he was cut off because Jack nicked an artery.

that doesnt make sense, cause they were working on getting jack long before the hatch implosion. Had to be a scramble to find an excuse from the big queen.

[Mr. S]

that doesnt make sense, cause they were working on getting jack long before the hatch implosion. Had to be a scramble to find an excuse from the big queen.

right, in an earlier episode he says "when I find out I need spinal surgery, a spinal surgeon falls out of the sky".

[dreamingwolf]

I wonder if the islanders are convinced the world outside is gone?

[codeorama]

that doesnt make sense, cause they were working on getting jack long before the hatch implosion. Had to be a scramble to find an excuse from the big queen.

Good point... I found that conversation very odd, and now, as you guys point out, they were trying to get Jack all along... Doesn't add up. Yet at least.

[codeorama]

I wonder if the islanders are convinced the world outside is gone?


Because of the purple sky thing or just in general???

Good question.

[Mr. S]

I wonder if the islanders are convinced the world outside is gone?

I dunno, I mean, im sure they could have just sent Michael on a wild goose chase, but they guaranteed him if he went at 38 degrees or whatever, he would reach the mainland.

Of course that was before the hatch explosion. If they think the world was gone before, then they could not have received any broadcasts such as the Red Sox winning the penant. So if they knew how to get off, they could have sent Ben already cause they already sent Michael.

I guess this still leaves open lots of possibilities, including that they believe the outisde world ended because of the purple sky thing.

[McMetal]

Good point... I found that conversation very odd, and now, as you guys point out, they were trying to get Jack all along... Doesn't add up. Yet at least.


And yet Juliet, who you would assume knows at least as much if not more than Tom, is completely convinced that she is somehow going to be able to get off the island after her conversation with Ben. But if Ben could really get people off the island, why couldn't he leave for the surgery?


It's a conundrum!

[jrockster21]

Good point... I found that conversation very odd, and now, as you guys point out, they were trying to get Jack all along... Doesn't add up. Yet at least.


Were they? The "a spinal surgeon fell out of the sky" comment made it seem serendipitous to me. I think they could have easily found out who was on the plane once the news that it was lost broke in the real world. Then they could have known everything about the passengers.

I dunno...we need more answers though for sure. :(

[codeorama]

Damn this show....

[dreamingwolf]

Take your stinking paws off me, you dammen dirty ape-isodes!

I am suspicous about mike and walt actually being able to leave, I think they were grabbed on their way out. Also, with Ben propensity for lying whats the chance he was telling the truth when he claimed "hes been here all his life". There seems to be some believability to that one, cause we are lead to believe he is french chicks daughters father and that would place him on the island for atleast 16 years or so.

[codeorama]

Take your stinking paws off me, you dammen dirty ape-isodes!

I am suspicous about mike and walt actually being able to leave, I think they were grabbed on their way out. Also, with Ben propensity for lying whats the chance he was telling the truth when he claimed "hes been here all his life". There seems to be some believability to that one, cause we are lead to believe he is french chicks daughters father and that would place him on the island for atleast 16 years or so.


LOL....I agree, mike and walt could have been directed right to the control island where they were re-captured OR, they could have just been sunk by the sub or just killed out right. I think its clear that killing isnt a big deal to those involved.

I'm really curious about the next episode since its about Desmond and Penelope. I wonder if they spend anytime, even one scene, on Penelope's quest to find Desmond.

[CTaylor42]

Awesome episode.

Room 23 really freaked me out. Do you guys think there's other rooms? If there is, I wonder what's in rooms 4, 8, 15, 16, and 42.

[dreamingwolf]

LOL....I agree, mike and walt could have been directed right to the control island where they were re-captured OR, they could have just been sunk by the sub or just killed out right. I think its clear that killing isnt a big deal to those involved.

I'm really curious about the next episode since its about Desmond and Penelope. I wonder if they spend anytime, even one scene, on Penelope's quest to find Desmond.

ya I think thats probably what happend to mike and walt, and I would like to see more of the desmond back story especially the search for him.

[codeorama]

Awesome episode.

Room 23 really freaked me out. Do you guys think there's other rooms? If there is, I wonder what's in rooms 4, 8, 15, 16, and 42.

No doubt, that room, the visuals, the sounds... it was bizarre. It was cool how Sawyer got caught up in it and Kate had to yell at him.

That would be nuts if there were other rooms with those numbers.

[dreamingwolf]

No doubt, that room, the visuals, the sounds... it was bizarre. It was cool how Sawyer got caught up in it and Kate had to yell at him.

That would be nuts if there were other rooms with those numbers.

I wonder if they put something into sawyer that releases a chemical into him that makes him more receptive to suggestion, and thats why he dazed out in that room?

[CTaylor42]

LOL....I agree, mike and walt could have been directed right to the control island where they were re-captured OR, they could have just been sunk by the sub or just killed out right. I think its clear that killing isnt a big deal to those involved.

I heard that Michael (Harold Perrineau Jr.) won't be returning to the show. So, I think that could be a very real possibility. I haven't heard about Walt. Wouldn't it be cool if Vincent or the Losties find Walt floating on a piece of drift wood from the boat? I still want to see why the others think Walt is so special.

[dreamingwolf]

I heard that Michael (Harold Perrineau Jr.) won't be returning to the show. So, I think that could be a very real possibility. I haven't heard about Walt. Wouldn't it be cool if Vincent or the Losties find Walt floating on a piece of drift wood from the boat? I still want to see why the others think Walt is so special.

ya I heard that they couldnt come to an agreement about his return, but a come back is still possible. Hes leaving LOST to do a pilot about an exorcist pffft

[WVUforREDSKINS]

I heard that Michael (Harold Perrineau Jr.) won't be returning to the show. So, I think that could be a very real possibility. I haven't heard about Walt. Wouldn't it be cool if Vincent or the Losties find Walt floating on a piece of drift wood from the boat? I still want to see why the others think Walt is so special.


If they thought Walt was so special and wanted him so bad they wouldn't just let him go.

I bet we will be seeing Walt this season. So MANY old questions need to be answered.

[dreamingwolf]

I wonder how long they are going to show last weeks at nine and the new one at ten, I like it I hope they keep doing it.

Walt is doing other projects too like mike is, so Im not sure if either will be back at all.

[Chris Worthy]

Heads up on Desmond (britsh guy that was originally in the hatch)

I think he died in the blast when he turned the key to overide the meltdown.
Looks like the Island brought him back to life with the ability to see the future.
Could explain why he woke up naked inthe jungle. :)

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Heads up on Desmond (britsh guy that was originally in the hatch)

I think he died in the blast when he turned the key to overide the meltdown.
Looks like the Island brought him back to life with the ability to see the future.
Could explain why he woke up maked inthe jungle. :)


That is a heck of a theory.

[skins1206]

so what was that?

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Heads up on Desmond (britsh guy that was originally in the hatch)

I think he died in the blast when he turned the key to overide the meltdown.
Looks like the Island brought him back to life with the ability to see the future.
Could explain why he woke up maked inthe jungle. :)




Tell me more of what you know!

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[Chris Worthy]

Nows hes back in time when he was with Penny..


interesting, :)

['Skins_&_'Stons]

OH snap, this is getting good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chris Worthy]

Good one so far.

['Skins_&_'Stons]

I just hope they don't stray too far & actually start revealing some of the mystery!

[Chris Worthy]

So much for my theory....lol

[zoony]

That old lady with the ring... good stuff. :cheers:

So far, this is 2 good episodes in a row

......

[Baculus]

Woah - that old lazy threw me for a loop!

Yes, good espisode thus far.

[DjTj]

that was a seriously mind-blowing episode ...

[Skins24]

Great episode!

Looks like next week will make 3 weeks in a row of great episodes.....

[payCeSkin]

wow, LOST is picking up again... another good episode, thank god !

['Skins_&_'Stons]

that was a seriously mind-blowing episode ...


x10

[zoony]

Good episode... but I'm completely lost as far as theories.

[Mr. S]

was that old lady from his memory in the preview for next week? Just wondering cause they showed an old lady whom I've never seen before on the island.

as for the episode, that was pretty crazy. I guess it's obvious he was subconsciously living his past, but wow.

[RLeVan]

This is just a guess, but I think Desmond travelled back in time through a temporary artificial black hole created when he turned the failsafe. The island itself is looking like they were trying to create a man-made contained black hole. I could be way off base, but it seems like a pretty cool concept.

[MonkFan8]

Damn that was a really really good episode.

[prophet]

Might be the best the show has made to date.

[dreamingwolf]

Heads up on Desmond (britsh guy that was originally in the hatch)

I think he died in the blast when he turned the key to overide the meltdown.
Looks like the Island brought him back to life with the ability to see the future.
Could explain why he woke up naked inthe jungle. :)

maybe when you travel back in time you have to go naked cause clothes and other inanimate objects cant go with you, unless they are covered with flesh. Even if the past is just in your head :silly:

The big twist for me was that he was saving charlies life, not claires. I thought for sure she was the one fate was after, too bad for charlie I wonder how many episodes he can dodge death.

[jps36]

This is just a guess, but I think Desmond travelled back in time through a temporary artificial black hole created when he turned the failsafe. The island itself is looking like they were trying to create a man-made contained black hole. I could be way off base, but it seems like a pretty cool concept.

You are a smart man.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20011756,00.html

The above article contains a theory that tries to explain the mystery behind the island.

[Makaveli]

Today's episode was great. :applause:

[drums and skins]

awesome episode.

The black hole idea is decent...but would be a big let down if it were true.

[dreamingwolf]

what if the explosion of the hatch connected desmond to all his alternitive realities and he experiences them all at once but they are not all happening at the same time, kind of living in a perpetual ground hog day(day break) that doesnt end.

For instance saving charlie, in one reality that is further along than the others he discovers charlie dies drowning cause charlie stays on the beach while claire goes for a swim. So in order to stop charlie from dying he gets charlie off the beach thinking that claire wont drown, in the jungle while desi is looking arround in a panic maybe hes checking in on the other alternate realities and sees claire dies cause charlie was the only one who noticed her in trouble so he has to dash back to save her since her.

[DjTj]

The big twist for me was that he was saving charlies life, not claires. I thought for sure she was the one fate was after, too bad for charlie I wonder how many episodes he can dodge death.Yeah, that was a big twist ... now they can have a Charlie near-miss every episode from now until the end of the season. And if he doesn't die by then, they can have one heck of a cliffhanger.

I think Charlie's only hope will be to find the One Ring and destroy it in Mount Doom ... Hurleywise the brave will help him.

[dreamingwolf]

I think Charlie's only hope will be to find the One Ring and destroy it in Mount Doom ... Hurleywise the brave will help him.

or get rid of the vans, the guy in desi's dream had chuck taylors on. obviously whatever is after charley doesnt like shoes.

[Baculus]

I think it is related to this:

http://www.valenzettifoundation.org/photos.html

http://www.valenzettifoundation.org/wikipedia.html

EDIT: This also has to do with the possible orgin of the numbers and the Valenzetti Equation.

That is the possible device or the orgin of the EM device which was in the Hatch - this device, or a descendent of that that device, could have brought down both Flight 815 and could have created a black hole, an event horizon, or a temporary time-space distortation of some type, whatever was the anamoly (which also made the sky turn color). This is one of the Lost tie-in websites and, I believe, explains one element of the Dharma experiements in electromagnetism.

In connection with Mr. Widmore, the father of Desmond's love, here is a website for Widmore Laboratories:

One of the pieces of the puzzle...
http://www.widmorelaboratories.com/

[Skinned]

Holy ****! That was a phenomenal episode.

So many questions raised going forward. I guess we are seeing Des' first loop on the island.


was that old lady from his memory in the preview for next week? Just wondering cause they showed an old lady whom I've never seen before on the island.

as for the episode, that was pretty crazy. I guess it's obvious he was subconsciously living his past, but wow.

That would be awesome if the old lady is on the island too. That could mean that she has been living the loop too and also knows what will happen, as evidenced in the flashback scene. Perhaps it just took Des a few times to finally remember it.

[dchogs]

what if the explosion of the hatch connected desmond to all his alternitive realities and he experiences them all at once but they are not all happening at the same time, kind of living in a perpetual ground hog day(day break) that doesnt end.

For instance saving charlie, in one reality that is further along than the others he discovers charlie dies drowning cause charlie stays on the beach while claire goes for a swim. So in order to stop charlie from dying he gets charlie off the beach thinking that claire wont drown, in the jungle while desi is looking arround in a panic maybe hes checking in on the other alternate realities and sees claire dies cause charlie was the only one who noticed her in trouble so he has to dash back to save her since her.

similar to my thought that the blast moved him from one brane to another (string/M theory). would be cool if he could access mental images from any/all of the branes to see what was shakin in the future.

[Mr. S]

I just have to mention again those websites are just insane, definitely adding to the insanity of the show. People always tell me Lost is a buncha crap and 24 is better, to which I say "does 24, or other dramas, involve soo much thought compared to what Lost does? Brining in soo many different spiritual, philosophical, scientific, and social references that however small they seem, can suddenly explode into a major component of the show?"

This show is pure awesomeness.

[McMetal]

You are a smart man.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20011756,00.html

The above article contains a theory that tries to explain the mystery behind the island.

You want smart? How about this:

Many of the key characters share the names of great thinkers and philosophers - Locke, Rousseau, etc.

And Desmond's namesake is David Hume, who put forth a theory called compatibilism which posits that free will and determinism both exist, and that what we do with our lives is essentially the result of these two concepts butting against each other. (I'm paraphrasing this morning's EW article but you can check it all out on Wikipedia too)

If it doesn't matter what you do, if the universe is "self-correcting" then why does it matter so much for Desmond to go back and push the button? Seems like a contradiction.

If it was all a concussion induced fantasy, then there's still no explanation for his precognitive abilities.

If it wasn't all a fantasy, you'd have to assume his consciousness has somehow become unfixed, unstuck in time somehow.

Anyone got an advanced degree in quantum physics?

[More Complete]

Anyone notice that chick in the "next week on lost" preview that said "we're here to watch"?? She was the flight attendant who served Jack a mixed drink on the plane. I think she might have even slipped him an extra mini-bottle, just because she thought he was cute and Jack was flirting with her.

Her name is Cindy, and she ended up with the tailies til she disappeared right before Ana Lucia shot Shannon. She mysteriously "DISAPPEREARD" when they were carrying sawyer up that hill on the stretcher..... :yikes:

[skinstzar]

I seem to remember a past episode where Desmond goes looking for Penelope to apologize for not marrying her. She meets him in a limo and doesn't accept the apology. What is the time frame on that. And when and why does Desmond meet Jack on the steps of the stadium?

[rictus58]

I want to know how Desmond ended up in Prison.

[skinstzar]

Am I the only one who thinks that Penelope is smokin hot? Good gracious that British accent kills me. If I were that dude I would have married her and sent daddy dearest a video of me piping his daughter. But that is just me.

[Mr. S]

I seem to remember a past episode where Desmond goes looking for Penelope to apologize for not marrying her. She meets him in a limo and doesn't accept the apology. What is the time frame on that. And when and why does Desmond meet Jack on the steps of the stadium?

Im not sure about the limo thing, but he does meet Jack right before he is about to do his world race. It would have been after he was in the military though, so definitely some time had passed between the time frame in last nights episode because it was Penelope's father who meets Desmond after he is released from the military. He later decides to the world race and does run into Penelope at the stadium before meeting Jack. Not sure where his meeting with Libby for the boat falls in but probably around that time.


Am I the only one who thinks that Penelope is smokin hot? Good gracious that British accent kills me. If I were that dude I would have married her and sent daddy dearest a video of me piping his daughter. But that is just me.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :cheers: agreed, Kate has her followers, but I am giving the edge to Penny, especially since Juliet has completely crashed in my book.

More Complete, you are right, if you look at her profile on the lostpedia, one of the overwhelming theories is that she is a Dharma/Hanso employee.

[codeorama]

I agree... Penelope is WAY hot...

[Mr. S]

I agree... Penelope is WAY hot...

you feeling a sudden loss of interest for Juliet as well? I know we both were into her before.

[codeorama]

you feeling a sudden loss of interest for Juliet as well? I know we both were into her before.

No, Juliet is still hot too...I'm thinking along the lines of a menagé.... I could be an orgy guy... :paranoid:

[dreamingwolf]

Juliet is way hotter when shes in ass kicking [female dog] mode than soft cutesy mode.

[RabidFan]

You can experience Juliet's fruits and garden in nude makeout scenes with Jolie in Gia.....Penelope has been hot since being on HBO's The Mind of a Married Man...and was on Sleeper Cell Season 1 and briefly on Season 2. She's money and has nice jubblies.

[McMetal]

It was Penny's Dad that Desmond spoke to in the limo, right after he was released from military prison.

He only saw Penny once after getting out of jail - when she showed up at the stadium before his run with Jack.

Anyone else think the matronly woman confronting Jack on next week's preview is the infamous Mrs. DeGroot?

At the rate they're introducing characters, one of these people is eventually going to have to be a DeGroot or a Hanso.

[dreamingwolf]

Anyone else think the matronly woman confronting Jack on next week's preview is the infamous Mrs. DeGroot?

At the rate they're introducing characters, one of these people is eventually going to have to be a DeGroot or a Hanso.

I didnt watch the preview, I normally dont for any show, so I dont know. Do you really think they will introduce one of those guys this season, I would think they would hold those cards till the last season.

['Skins_&_'Stons]

DAYYYYYUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! That Island honey is fine!!!!

['Skins_&_'Stons]

:wtf::whoknows: :whoknows: :whoknows::whoknows::whoknows:

[Reic]

Was a good episode, and skins, that lingere made my mind wander a little myself...


I like how Jack is walking around freely among the "Others"


He don't take "jack" :doh:

[elkabong82]

So what exactly were the three big questions that were supposed to be answered in this episode?

['Skins_&_'Stons]

So what exactly were the three big questions that were supposed to be answered in this episode?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


I was about to ask the same thing...

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Henry mentioned that they had a surgeon named Ethan. Who was that? Are we supposed to know? Was it someone that Anna lucia killed?

[dreamingwolf]

asian hotty with thick thighs and boobs + some insight = good episode.

The mark didnt make much sense to me since its concealed, should have slapped that sucker on her forehead.

Im begining to believe that some of the others have been on the islands for their whole lives, when sawyer made the brady bunch ref the clockwork orange kid had no idea what he was talking about. Even if youve never seen the brady bunch you know the name.

I found it funny that jack didnt figure out the machine in sawyers old cage, but also didnt get shocked. The only reason sawyer tried to figure out the machine was cause it shocked him and he wasnt gonna let it get the best of him.

[TK]

Henry mentioned that they had a surgeon named Ethan. Who was that? Are we supposed to know? Was it someone that Anna lucia killed?
Yeah. We are suspossed to know. Ethan was the Other they had captured last season.

[jrockster21]

Henry mentioned that they had a surgeon named Ethan. Who was that? Are we supposed to know? Was it someone that Anna lucia killed?

Ethan was the one that pretended to be a Lostie, and kidnapped Claire. And yes, Anna Lucia killed him.

['Skins_&_'Stons]

Henry mentioned that they had a surgeon named Ethan. Who was that? Are we supposed to know? Was it someone that Anna lucia killed?

I am assuming that you are new to the show?

[dreamingwolf]

Henry mentioned that they had a surgeon named Ethan. Who was that? Are we supposed to know? Was it someone that Anna lucia killed?

ethan pretended to be a survivor, then ethan kidnapped claire, claire escaped, he came back for her, charlie busted several caps in his ass.

[dreamingwolf]

Ethan was the one that pretended to be a Lostie, and kidnapped Claire. And yes, Anna Lucia killed him.

damn you and your posting acumen, all you bastards that beat me to it you make me feel old and slow.

[jrockster21]

asian hotty with thick thighs and boobs + some insight = good episode.

The mark didnt make much sense to me since its concealed, should have slapped that sucker on her forehead.

Yeah - I thought there was going to be some parallel with the flashback - like the Asian chick getting marked really badly because she gave Jack the tatoo, which would explain why Jack seemed upset when they said Juliet was to be marked. Oh well...


Im begining to believe that some of the others have been on the islands for their whole lives, when sawyer made the brady bunch ref the clockwork orange kid had no idea what he was talking about. Even if youve never seen the brady bunch you know the name.

I found it funny that jack didnt figure out the machine in sawyers old cage, but also didnt get shocked. The only reason sawyer tried to figure out the machine was cause it shocked him and he wasnt gonna let it get the best of him.

He only pressed the button twice - I believe the third time it shocks you. And yeah, the kids have been there all their life. That video with the Asian doctor was from the 60's it seemed like!!

[rincewind]

Best part of this episode was Sawyer singing 'I'm Tired and I Want to Go Home', which is the song they sing in Jaws when they get drunk and compare scars. :laugh:

[jrockster21]

damn you and your posting acumen, all you bastards that beat me to it you make me feel old and slow.


:nana:

Although I was only second fastest. TK failed to mention that Ethan pretended to be a Lostie though...:D Also, they had Henry captured last season, so that was kind of ambiguous. :)

[PokerPacker]

Henry mentioned that they had a surgeon named Ethan. Who was that? Are we supposed to know? Was it someone that Anna lucia killed?
i think so. i can't remember what exactly he did, but he had been introduced.

[jrockster21]

So what exactly were the three big questions that were supposed to be answered in this episode?


1) Jack's tatoo and why he was in Thailand
2) What happened to the kids and other Losties they kidnapped
3) .... not sure

[elkabong82]

I did notice that when the Others were in the room sentencing Juliette, there was a wooden podium the older "sheriff" lady was speaking at. That podium had the dharma symbol on it. Don't know if there is any significance to that.


That and I'm pretty sure the fat guy, Hurley, is an Other as well.

[jrockster21]

i think so. i can't remember what exactly he did, but he had been introduced.

Try reading the whole thread, doofus! :silly:

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Ethan was the one that pretended to be a Lostie, and kidnapped Claire. And yes, Anna Lucia killed him.


Thats what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up

[WVUforREDSKINS]

I am assuming that you are new to the show?


started 2nd season

[dreamingwolf]

1) Jack's tatoo and why he was in Thailand
2) What happened to the kids and other Losties they kidnapped
3) .... not sure

I would say 3 was defining the 2 islands, one is the work island the other is the home island.

Something I didnt get was way was Bens stretcher put on a row boat with jack and then at the very end we see jack on a bigger boat. Do they not have a dock or something on the work island?

[rincewind]

I would say 3 was defining the 2 islands, one is the work island the other is the home island.

Something I didnt get was way was Bens stretcher put on a row boat with jack and then at the very end we see jack on a bigger boat. Do they not have a dock or something on the work island?



When they were loading the row boat you could see the big boat out on the horizon - guess they don't have a dock.

[dreamingwolf]

Thats what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up

anna lucia killed goodwin, that was the other that was sent to infiltrate the tailies. Charlie killed ethan who was the other sent to infiltrate the mid section survivors and the one who kidnapped claire.

[dreamingwolf]

When they were loading the row boat you could see the big boat out on the horizon - guess they don't have a dock.

thats so george takei, build a friggin dock.

[jrockster21]

When they were loading the row boat you could see the big boat out on the horizon - guess they don't have a dock.

Yeah - I thought it was a filming mistake when I first saw it! :laugh:


anna lucia killed goodwin, that was the other that was sent to infiltrate the tailies. Charlie killed ethan who was the other sent to infiltrate the mid section survivors and the one who kidnapped claire.

Oh yeah - I knew that didn't sound right. Charlie killed Ethan right as he was about to talk (so we thought) because he wanted to get revenge for Claire. I stand corrected. That all happened in the first season, no? Or was that the beginning of 2?

[TK]

thats so george takei, build a friggin dock.
You're on a winning team & gathering no Randy tonight. :laugh:

[dreamingwolf]

Oh yeah - I knew that didn't sound right. Charlie killed Ethan right as he was about to talk (so we thought) because he wanted to get revenge for Claire. I stand corrected. That all happened in the first season, no? Or was that the beginning of 2?

Ethan died first season I think. The tailies came in season two, so thats when anna lucia killed goodwin. But ethan made an appearance in this season, season three, when the company was trying to hire juilette. He was there at the interview and also in the morgue when they made another play for her.

[jrockster21]

Ethan died first season I think. The tailies came in season two, so thats when anna lucia killed goodwin. But ethan made an appearance in this season, season three, when the company was trying to hire juilette. He was there at the interview and also in the morgue when they made another play for her.

Ugh - this makes me want to go back and watch seasons 1 and 2 over again! :laugh:

[dreamingwolf]

Ugh - this makes me want to go back and watch seasons 1 and 2 over again! :laugh:

Its suprising all the little things you miss, its alot like arrested developement. you really have to watch it all a couple times to see all the things they throw arround. Im gonna go back and watch the first two season at some point to see if they had the hot asian from tonight in any of them.

[Reic]

what signifigance does "the mark" have? I have only missed 1 episode in 3 seasons and can not for the life of me remember it.

And the episode I missed was in season 1... I need to get the box sets.

[dreamingwolf]

I did notice that when the Others were in the room sentencing Juliette, there was a wooden podium the older "sheriff" lady was speaking at. That podium had the dharma symbol on it. Don't know if there is any significance to that.


That and I'm pretty sure the fat guy, Hurley, is an Other as well.

Im sure theres a dharma symbol on everything in every other camp.

Hurley is not an other, by any stretch of the imagination. He believes hes been cursed by their wicked numbers, but thats about the extent he has to do with them.

[dreamingwolf]

what signifigance does "the mark" have? I have only missed 1 episode in 3 seasons and can not for the life of me remember it.

And the episode I missed was in season 1... I need to get the box sets.

we dont know what the mark means, tonight was the first mention of it we have heard. I said earlier I dont understand why they would put it on the back where its concealed. perhaps it means those marked can not leave the island? They keep it concealed as not to pyschologically damage them, but that part of the body is searched for anybody trying to leave? Other than that it makes no sense where it is.

[Reic]

Well, even after seing the mark, Juliet asked how she was still going to get off the island and Jack said "together" so maybe she can't get off with the mark.


Their convo was something along those lines

[Skinned]

I would say 3 was defining the 2 islands, one is the work island the other is the home island.

Something I didnt get was way was Bens stretcher put on a row boat with jack and then at the very end we see jack on a bigger boat. Do they not have a dock or something on the work island?

I think 3 was Cindy finally showing up. We haven't seen her since she disappeared early in season 2. Also, the 2 kids were the ones that were snatched off the tailies beach. They even asked about Ana Lucia.

[TK]

we dont know what the mark means, tonight was the first mention of it we have heard. I said earlier I dont understand why they would put it on the back where its concealed. perhaps it means those marked can not leave the island? They keep it concealed as not to pyschologically damage them, but that part of the body is searched for anybody trying to leave? Other than that it makes no sense where it is.
It's clearly their version of the tramp stamp tattoo. :D

[dreamingwolf]

It's clearly their version of the tramp stamp tattoo. :D

from bill maher:

New Rule: Just because your tattoo has Chinese characters in it doesn't make you spiritual. It's right above the crack of your ass. And it translates to "beef with broccoli." The last time you did anything spiritual, you were praying to God you weren't pregnant. You're not spiritual. You're just high.

[dreamingwolf]

I think 3 was Cindy finally showing up. We haven't seen her since she disappeared early in season 2. Also, the 2 kids were the ones that were snatched off the tailies beach. They even asked about Ana Lucia.

that is probably the third one, makes more sense.

[dreamingwolf]

Well, even after seing the mark, Juliet asked how she was still going to get off the island and Jack said "together" so maybe she can't get off with the mark.


Their convo was something along those lines

I will pay extra attention to that when I watch tomorrow, really its the only thing I can think the mark can be used for. Its concealed so its not some kind of overt punishment, so really theres nothing else for it to do.

[elkabong82]

Im sure theres a dharma symbol on everything in every other camp.

Hurley is not an other, by any stretch of the imagination. He believes hes been cursed by their wicked numbers, but thats about the extent he has to do with them.

I dunno. One of the surviviors (can't remember who) had a dream where a bunch of the survivors and some of the others were all at the airport. All the survivors were passengers, all the others were airport employees. Hurley was the only survivor who wasn't a passenger, he was an employee.

That and when he was captured w/ Sawyer, Kate, Jack, he was allowed to leave.

[elkabong82]

from bill maher:

New Rule: Just because your tattoo has Chinese characters in it doesn't make you spiritual. It's right above the crack of your ass. And it translates to "beef with broccoli." The last time you did anything spiritual, you were praying to God you weren't pregnant. You're not spiritual. You're just high.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I remember that. Classic.

[dreamingwolf]

I dunno. One of the surviviors (can't remember who) had a dream where a bunch of the survivors and some of the others were all at the airport. All the survivors were passengers, all the others were airport employees. Hurley was the only survivor who wasn't a passenger, he was an employee.

That and when he was captured w/ Sawyer, Kate, Jack, he was allowed to leave.

That was Locke who was in the sweat lodge doing a hallucinogenic introspective. Locke was intent on entering the hatch he found, and when he was finally able to blast it open hurley was the only one who actively tried to prevent it. I think he holds a grudge against hurley, and that vision is foreshadowing to an eventual show down between the two.

Locke has announced he is going to get Jack, sawyer, and kate back. Even though sawyer and kate will arrive soon, jack is still out there and Locke will go after him. Hurley knowing the power of the others will be the voice against him, justifying Lockes vision as correct and suspecting Hurley as the enemy he always knew he was.

Hurley is not an other, he is just a speed bump on Lockes road and Locke saw it in his vision.

[elkabong82]

That was Locke who was in the sweat lodge doing a hallucinogenic introspective. Locke was intent on entering the hatch he found, and when he was finally able to blast it open hurley was the only one who actively tried to prevent it. I think he holds a grudge against hurley, and that vision is foreshadowing to an eventual show down between the two.

Locke has announced he is going to get Jack, sawyer, and kate back. Even though sawyer and kate will arrive soon, jack is still out there and Locke will go after him. Hurley knowing the power of the others will be the voice against him, justifying Lockes vision as correct and suspecting Hurley as the enemy he always knew he was.

Hurley is not an other, he is just a speed bump on Lockes road and Locke saw it in his vision.

That makes a lot of sense actually. This show makes my brain hurt.

[Mr. S]

That makes a lot of sense actually. This show makes my brain hurt.

:laugh: and that's why we love it!

I again did not catch all the dialogue between the asian chick and Jack about the tattoos. She did not want to give him one, but for what reason? Then the tattoos said "You are not one of us" or whatever. Can someone explain that a bit, I kinda figured at the end the significance when seeing Juliet marked.

[GrapeApe]

Bai Ling was hot, but other than that I didn't care much for the episode. At least now that they are going to the other island maybe it will get better. The "work" island episodes bored me. Kind of a let down after last weeks episode.

[jrockster21]

I think 3 was Cindy finally showing up. We haven't seen her since she disappeared early in season 2. Also, the 2 kids were the ones that were snatched off the tailies beach. They even asked about Ana Lucia.

That was number 2:


1) Jack's tatoo and why he was in Thailand
2) What happened to the kids and other Losties they kidnapped
3) .... not sure

[More Complete]

Bai Ling was hot, but other than that I didn't care much for the episode. At least now that they are going to the other island maybe it will get better. The "work" island episodes bored me. Kind of a let down after last weeks episode.

I agree. This episode wasn't all that. I really was hoping for some explainations. But, as usual, they brought up more question than they answered...
What's the deal with thie Isobel lady?
Why mark Jules any way, and why where no one really sees the mark?
What is going on with all the "abducts" ?

It makes me mad how people don't seem to talk to each other and ask the most obvious of questions. Sawyer and Carl are talking and he says "we gave them a better life" Oh yeah? and all Sawyers has to say is "you have back yards?" Really now? :rolleyes:

Where? Where do you live? Where are your houses? Where the hell are we? What the heck are you guys doing here? What is with you people, are you some kind of cult? Why were they giving you the Clockwork Orange brainwashing treatment? Never heard of the Brady Bunch? Have you lived here your whole life or what? Why aren't you and Alex allowed to be together? WTF IS GOING ON?!?!

I'd be asking 100 questions. Sadly, the losties seem just fine being bubling idiots who know nothing and don't care to. :(

[jrockster21]

What's the deal with thie Isobel lady?

I swear we've seen her before. I can't remember where for the life of me, but if I have time, I'm going to rewatch the first and second seasons. She's in there somewhere, I'm 92% sure.


Why mark Jules any way, and why where no one really sees the mark?

Yeah, I thought she was going to get some wicked mark across her face or something, possibly deforming. That mark was kinda lame. Although it was a brand, so it had to hurt like balls.


What is going on with all the "abducts" ?

Pretty sure they went through the brainwashing like Karl did, and now feel like they are part of the others.


It makes me mad how people don't seem to talk to each other and ask the most obvious of questions. Sawyer and Carl are talking and he says "we gave them a better life" Oh yeah? and all Sawyers has to say is "you have back yards?" Really now? :rolleyes:

Yeah, that kind of irritated me too. Hello! McFly! :laugh:

[dchogs]

Bai Ling was hot, but other than that I didn't care much for the episode. At least now that they are going to the other island maybe it will get better. The "work" island episodes bored me. Kind of a let down after last weeks episode.

agreed on bai ling. i wasn't crazy about this episode. my wife missed it to pick up her sister at the airport, and when she asked me to summarize it for her, it took me about 20 seconds.

[Jaded-Dragon]

Some of the Lost mystique is slipping away from me. I've enjoyed the last 3 episodes, but I can't shake the feeling I had during the first 2 seasons. I think mainly it's due to 2 things.

1) How the characters never really discuss any of these weird things that happen.

And 2) NO Questions get answered.
Why are the others on the island?
How did they get there?
Why did they bring in people from the mainland?
Why are there Polar bears on a tropical island?
What the hell is that smoke monster?
How did a rather large ship end up in the middle of the island?
How do the others have contact with the outside world?
What do the numbers represent? And why do bad things seem to revolve around them?
What exactly was Dharma trying to do?
Are the others employees of Dharma?
Why has most of the cast had glimpses of people that have passed away, or in Hurley's case, someone from his past?
Why didn't the Smoke monster kill Eko the first time they were face to face?
Why were the others originally wearing disguises?
Why are they so concerned over the well-being of Claire's child?
Why was Walt so special to them?
Why did they let Walt go if he was so special?
Why do dead bodies mysteriously disappear? (Eko's brother, Jack's father, or did Jack really not ever get his fathers body on the plane?)

In fact, the only questions I recall being answered are; what was in the hatch, what happens when you don't push the button (which is still debatable on exactly what happened), and why do the others want Jack? But that leads to another question, they had another oppurtunity to capture Jack, but they didn't, why?

I have my own theories for most of them, some of which revolve around other theories presented at http://4815162342.com

It's just getting damn frustrating that a good portion of these questions have been going on since the first season and none of them have been answered. I'm not even totally convinced that everything will be explained by the time they do end the show. I can easily see them never explaining the Polar Bears:silly:

The most famous theory is probably "The Ultimate Theory" Which I think holds water in a lot of places, but a few things have been proven false since the start of season 3. It's worth a read though. And I think the writer's theory on the smoke monster would show why it did not kill Eko the first time they met, but why it chose to during their second encounter.

[More Complete]

I swear we've seen her before. I can't remember where for the life of me, but if I have time, I'm going to rewatch the first and second seasons. She's in there somewhere, I'm 92% sure.

92% is pretty good. :laugh: I didn't recognize her but you could be right. Seems like everyone is connected in some way.




Pretty sure they went through the brainwashing like Karl did, and now feel like they are part of the others.

I dunno man. Seemed like Karl's brainwashing was more of a punishment or something. Plus, I think he's lived there his whole life so I'm not sure he would really "need" it. He didn't know who the Brady Bunch were. Even if you've never seen it you would recognize the name and he didn't have a clue.

I took the "we're here to watch" to mean they were going to watch the trial. But, because they never freaking explain anything we can't be sure. :mad:

"Hey it's great to see you are alive Jack! Nope, I don't notice that you are in a cage at all!"

"Come on everyone! Let's go see Jack in the cage! See how his moral confusion and sordid past make him angry and dangerous? It's much nicer here." :laugh:

[jrockster21]

The polar bears are there because of climate adjustment studies that Dharma has performed - this has been pretty definitively answered from "extra" material.

[jrockster21]

I dunno man. Seemed like Karl's brainwashing was more of a punishment or something. Plus, I think he's lived there his whole life so I'm not sure he would really "need" it. He didn't know who the Brady Bunch were. Even if you've never seen it you would recognize the name and he didn't have a clue.

Well, its obvious that Karl and Alex are rebelling from the others for one reason or another - so maybe Karl is being brainwashed to quell that stuff. Also, the stewardess seemed to think being there to watch the trial (what I took "there to watch" to mean) was perfectly normal, and didn't seem like she even remembered that she had been kidnapped. It wreaked of brainwashing to me...:whoknows:

[jrockster21]

It's just getting damn frustrating that a good portion of these questions have been going on since the first season and none of them have been answered. I'm not even totally convinced that everything will be explained by the time they do end the show. I can easily see them never explaining the Polar Bears:silly:


Even more frustrating is that they are killing off the most intriguing characters. Eko was my favorite, and Libby was in the mental hospital with Hurley. They killed her off before they ever explained that, and now its kinda pointless.

I agree though - for an episode that was supposed to clear a lot of things up, it did a really ****ty job. :laugh:

[The Evil Genius]

Why should they answer all the questions? Wouldn't you not watch because there was no mysteries left?

This is what made the show what it is - a puzzle wrapped up in an enigma.


BTW - the role of Ethan was played by Tom Cruise's cousin.

[More Complete]

Well, its obvious that Karl and Alex are rebelling from the others for one reason or another - so maybe Karl is being brainwashed to quell that stuff. Also, the stewardess seemed to think being there to watch the trial (what I took "there to watch" to mean) was perfectly normal, and didn't seem like she even remembered that she had been kidnapped. It wreaked of brainwashing to me...:whoknows:

True but that littel girl asked about Anna Lucia so they have to rememeber. You're right though, they seemed to have "joined" the Others, brainwashed or not. It's just frustrating that Jack doesn't inquire more about the situation. Like "how come I'm in a cage and you guys are all chillin out?" or "These people are crazy why are you friendly with them?"

[Jaded-Dragon]

The polar bears are there because of climate adjustment studies that Dharma has performed - this has been pretty definitively answered from "extra" material.

Ah see, never bought the dvd's as I record all the episodes through my PC, so I never had the need. Anybody care to give a run down of what things are covered in the extras?

[The Evil Genius]

So Jack's tattoo translates to "he who walks with others but isn't one of them"...or something like that.

But it doesn't "mean" that according to Jack. Any guesses as to what it actually means?

[Jaded-Dragon]

Why should they answer all the questions? Wouldn't you not watch because there was no mysteries left?

This is what made the show what it is - a puzzle wrapped up in an enigma.


BTW - the role of Ethan was played by Tom Cruise's cousin.

Not saying they should answer ALL the questions. But dropping a hint here a there would be nice. It's irritating that something happens on the island and by the next episode all the Losties have seemingly forgotten about it untill it's mentioned eight episodes later for 30 seconds. Wouldn't you be discussing it? Trying to make sense of it? Asking a million questions of the others?


And yeah, Eko was one of my favs too.

[codeorama]

The tattoo really means "Tai Whore was here".

:paranoid:

[McMetal]

3 Mysteries:
1) Cindy and the kids
2) Meaning of Jack's tattoos
3) Where the Others live (The Big Island)

What a letdown. This was just like watching the episodes from the first part of this season. Did anything actually happen? Wow…Jack’s tattoos means he is a great leader, but lonely and angry. Like that wasn’t completely obvious since the first season.

Nothing came out of the scene with Cindy, or any of the scenes with Diana Scarwid. (“The Sheriff”) Ho-hum.

Next week – Hurley finds a car!

Glad to see they’re working so hard on explaining the bigger plot arcs…not.

BTW, Karl is a tool and deserves to be killed. After all the insane torture he's still SO convinced that the children are better off with those psychopaths than with the Losties. Stick your Helsinki syndrome up your arse and pull your head out, idiot.

[Mufumonk]

I swear we've seen her before. I can't remember where for the life of me, but if I have time, I'm going to rewatch the first and second seasons. She's in there somewhere, I'm 92% sure.

I kept thinking she looked familiar but realized it was because I had seen her in an episode of Prison Break when they found the money buried inside her garage.

[McMetal]

So Jack's tattoo translates to "he who walks with others but isn't one of them"...or something like that.

But it doesn't "mean" that according to Jack. Any guesses as to what it actually means?

She told him. She sees who people are and then marks them accordingly.

Jack's mean he is a great leader, but lonely and angry, yadda yadda yadda.

And for all of you speculating, Diana Scarwid has NEVER been on Lost before.

You have not seen "The Sheriff" previously. This is a new character.

I think Cindy and the kids were there to watch the execution, not the trial.

When they asked about Ana-Lucia, I was praying Jack was going to scream "How's she doing?!?! Your pals forced one of our people to pump her full of bullets! THAT'S how she's doing!"

Anyone else think that scene of Henry lying prone on the boat was awfully reminiscent of the Arthurian legend? Like at the end of Excalibur when Arthur's body is being borne out to sea by the women in the boat. Odd.

[jrockster21]

When they asked about Ana-Lucia, I was praying Jack was going to scream "How's she doing?!?! Your pals forced one of our people to pump her full of bullets! THAT'S how she's doing!"


Did the Losties ever find that out for sure? I thought they still blamed Henry for killing Libby and Anna...damn I need to rewatch seasons one and two! :(

[McMetal]

Did the Losties ever find that out for sure? I thought they still blamed Henry for killing Libby and Anna...damn I need to rewatch seasons one and two! :(

Yeah, Jack and Hurley and Kate and Sawyer all found out on their excursion to get Walt at the end of last season.

I would assume Hurley told the rest of the Losties, but given the way they stubbornly refuse to share information on this show, who knows?

I'm still trying to figure out Mr. Friendly's comment to Jack about the stones and the glass house. What was he trying to say? That struck me as significant.

[jrockster21]

I'm still trying to figure out Mr. Friendly's comment to Jack about the stones and the glass house. What was he trying to say? That struck me as significant.

I think he was just implying that they had control over him, and he shouldn't throw stones (or resist or make demands) because he had no power (or lived in a glass house). Its an expression..."Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones." I don't think there was any deeper meaning. :whoknows:

[DjTj]

I think he was just implying that they had control over him, and he shouldn't throw stones (or resist or make demands) because he had no power (or lived in a glass house). Its an expression..."Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones." I don't think there was any deeper meaning. :whoknows:Jack was criticizing the Others for kidnapping and killing people and whatnot, and Mr. Friendly was just pointing out that it was really Jack and the survivors that killed Ethan and Goodwin and tortured Henry.

[DjTj]

The tattoo really means "Tai Whore was here".

:paranoid: :laugh: from the flashback, I figured that it said "I slept with your sister so please beat the crap out of me."

or maybe "I went to Thailand and all I got was Herpes."

[McMetal]

Jack was criticizing the Others for kidnapping and killing people and whatnot, and Mr. Friendly was just pointing out that it was really Jack and the survivors that killed Ethan and Goodwin and tortured Henry.


Thanks for the insight. Of course I'm familiar with the expression, but the context was curious. He says something like "let's get you some stones" or something like that.

Tom is an interesting guy. Seems like just yesterday we all thought he was the bad-ass leader of the Others. Now's he's practically comic relief.

[RabidFan]

3 Mysteries:


BTW, Karl is a tool and deserves to be killed. After all the insane torture he's still SO convinced that the children are better off with those psychopaths than with the Losties. Stick your Helsinki syndrome up your arse and pull your head out, idiot.


:laugh: :laugh: :cheers:

[jrockster21]

Jack was criticizing the Others for kidnapping and killing people and whatnot, and Mr. Friendly was just pointing out that it was really Jack and the survivors that killed Ethan and Goodwin and tortured Henry.


Ahhh...that too. :nana:

[The Evil Genius]

Another question would be why was a Thai Mystic giving Jack a tattoo in Chinese?

[manleyistheman]

we dont know what the mark means, tonight was the first mention of it we have heard. I said earlier I dont understand why they would put it on the back where its concealed. perhaps it means those marked can not leave the island? They keep it concealed as not to pyschologically damage them, but that part of the body is searched for anybody trying to leave? Other than that it makes no sense where it is.

My only guess would be that it means she is no longer "pure". She is now one of the ones, like Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, that has sinned, however the others define what a sin is. We know that Hurley and Locke are not the marked ones that they wanted to kidnap. Maybe they test theories on how to fix the wrong-doers.

I'm expecting Isabel (the Sheriff) to scream "No Wire Hangers" at any moment.

[jrockster21]

Another question would be why was a Thai Mystic giving Jack a tattoo in Chinese?

You know, I thought about that as well. WTF?? :laugh:

[The Evil Genius]

You know, I thought about that as well. WTF?? :laugh:

The only think I can think of is that she isn't Thai - there are a lot of Chinese in Thailand...

[DjTj]

Another question would be why was a Thai Mystic giving Jack a tattoo in Chinese?You could ask why Allen Iverson gets tattoos in Chinese ... Chinese tattoos are just cool, whether you're in Southeast DC or Southeast Asia.

[rincewind]

Another question would be why was a Thai Mystic giving Jack a tattoo in Chinese?


I want to know why Jack spent such a long time in Thailand but never seemed to pick up the language.

[jrockster21]

Also, technically they only explained HALF of Jack's tattoo - the lettering. The symbols were not explained.


You could ask why Allen Iverson gets tattoos in Chinese ... Chinese tattoos are just cool, whether you're in Southeast DC or Southeast Asia.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :notworthy :notworthy

POW!!

[rincewind]

Also, technically they only explained HALF of Jack's tattoo - the lettering. The symbols were not explained.



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :notworthy :notworthy

POW!!


He didn't receive them all from the mystic. The '5' and the symbol above it were not there when he was on the beach - only the Chinese lettering was.

[dreamingwolf]

about the "lets get you some stones" comment from the big gay dude, I think what hes talking about is punishing Jack like they did to kate and sawyer by making him break rocks. That guy isnt exactly happy with Jack for all his extra slicing and dicing on Ben, and pretty much causing Jules to kill one of their own.

[The Evil Genius]

about the "lets get you some stones" comment from the big gay dude, I think what hes talking about is punishing Jack like they did to kate and sawyer by making him break rocks. That guy isnt exactly happy with Jack for all his extra slicing and dicing on Ben, and pretty much causing Jules to kill one of their own.

Actually, I disagree. And soon, I bet we will see them (Jack and fake leader beard guy whose name I can't remember) with a false sense of friendship. Trust me on that. ;)

As for the stones/glass comments. It was a reference to Jack's people who have done bad things (as seen from the others point of view) also. It's kind of like a, "STFU because you (the survivors) too have done bad things i.e. torturing Ben, torturing your own guy Sawyer, killing Ethan (no matter how unstable he was), etc.".

[boofMcboof]

worst episode yet. It seems like they've totally forgotten how to weave multiple storylines together this season much less make them compelling. But it was nice seeing Jack getting pounded on, chinese tattoos on non-asians = not cool.

[dreamingwolf]

As for the stones/glass comments. It was a reference to Jack's people who have done bad things (as seen from the others point of view) also. It's kind of like a, "STFU because you (the survivors) too have done bad things i.e. torturing Ben, torturing your own guy Sawyer, killing Ethan (no matter how unstable he was), etc.".

I rewatched and ya that is what hes saying, its just really phrased poorly.

[McMetal]

Actually, I disagree. And soon, I bet we will see them (Jack and fake leader beard guy whose name I can't remember) with a false sense of friendship. Trust me on that. ;)

As for the stones/glass comments. It was a reference to Jack's people who have done bad things (as seen from the others point of view) also. It's kind of like a, "STFU because you (the survivors) too have done bad things i.e. torturing Ben, torturing your own guy Sawyer, killing Ethan (no matter how unstable he was), etc.".

You're talking about the football scene, you spoiler. :)

I actually think the more literal rock-breaking explanation seems to make sense given how he said it, although clearly this never materialized. But it certainly fits in a metaphorical sense as well.

I don't think Tom dislikes Jack. I think he's more like a big dumb dog, loyal, but not too bright.

[Mr. S]

I kinda like Tom, he is loyal to the others, but seems relatively level-headed. He doens't know the full story of anything, but he tries to make sense of what he knows. Yeah, it is funny how only last season we thought of him as Zeke, leader of the others and "Henry Gale" as some dumb Other who came to the camp.

The episode was pretty poor on the whole, and they advertise next weeks episode similarily to this one, meaning I think it may suck as well.

[dreamingwolf]

I actually think the more literal rock-breaking explanation seems to make sense given how he said it, although clearly this never materialized. But it certainly fits in a metaphorical sense as well.

I don't think Tom dislikes Jack. I think he's more like a big dumb dog, loyal, but not too bright.

at first I thought it was a literal rock-breaking thing too, because of they way he said it. It was a clumsy way of saying those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones, but watching it again on the abc site I think that was big gay al's dumb way of saying the saying.

[jrockster21]

He didn't receive them all from the mystic. The '5' and the symbol above it were not there when he was on the beach - only the Chinese lettering was.

Duh, that's what I said, doofus. :laugh:

[Jaded-Dragon]

I was a bit pre-occupied with being in the ER lastnight, so I didn't catch the whole episode, I missed the part about the rocks. But, didn't someone earlier in the thread mention something about sinners? Is it possible he was saying lets get you some rocks as in "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?"

Just throwing it out there, gonna have to watch the episode fully when I get home tonight.


On a side note: My post count never goes up :(

[rincewind]

Duh, that's what I said, doofus. :laugh:


You said 'explained'. I thought you meant that they just didn't reveal what the other tatoos meant, not that they weren't even there.

[jrockster21]

You said 'explained'. I thought you meant that they just didn't reveal what the other tatoos meant, not that they weren't even there.

Its the same thing. They weren't there, hence they weren't explained. :) I was under the impression that it was one tattoo, not two different tattoos.

[dreamingwolf]

I was a bit pre-occupied with being in the ER lastnight, so I didn't catch the whole episode, I missed the part about the rocks. But, didn't someone earlier in the thread mention something about sinners? Is it possible he was saying lets get you some rocks as in "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?"

Just throwing it out there, gonna have to watch the episode fully when I get home tonight.


On a side note: My post count never goes up :(

http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing

you can watch the whole thing there.

good point about casting out the first stone, maybe big gay al was just mixing the two sayings into one clumsy one.

as to your post count, you have been marked for your sins against the others.

[rincewind]

Its the same thing. They weren't there, hence they weren't explained. :) I was under the impression that it was one tattoo, not two different tattoos.


At the beginning they made it sound like they were one - the Sheriff said something about 'a 5 and chinese symbols'. But on the beach the 5 and the rest above the 5 were not on his arm. That way they can make a whole other episode - hell maybe a spinoff - about the rest of his gay ass tats. :mad: