Is anyone else besides me, uncomfortable with Barak Obama becoming our next Pres.?

[michael_33]

And let me tell ya 1st off....I really do not like Hillary Clinton at ALL!

I truly think I would vote for my ex-girlfriends for that position before I voted for that.... :rolleyes:

But something has me concerned the way Obama has gained popularity throughout with (from what I've heard and read)not much credentials...

It may be wrong for me to be truthful here,but I will say what is on my mind anyways...

I'm not a prejudiced person at all as I have 3 lovely nephews and 2 of them are african American..Boy and girl...

But I got a problem letting a Muslim become the President of the United States of America with the "War on Terror" that we currently face to this day...

If it were the Irish,Italian or any other ethnic group....I would still share these same feelings, if they were bombing Grocery stores...Flying planes into buildings....Shooting shoulder rocket launchers at Commercial airliners or whatever throughout the world...

He may or may not be a great man...?I don't know!But how do we all know he doesn't share the same religious believes as Osama bin Laden,but just a little bit better under the radar than the fanatics?

I truly don't know much about him other than what I've heard other programs talk about him and of course what Hillary has dug up on him (which can't be trusted either)

So my question to everyone here....Am I a rascist for feeling the way that I do?Because I'm willing to bet that many feel the same way I do too!

PS....I'd be more than willing to take the Man and his wife out to dinner...pay for his meal...But the guy a beer...and have a few laughs with him...

I just don't want this man running this Country!!

[Fergasun]

I really don't think he'll become president. The love affair he's getting from the media, no surprise there. I agree with the sentiment of Joe Biden.

He's not Muslim... and I would have no problem with him running the country (except that he's a socialist, except everyone is tending towards socialism).

[DjTj]

But I got a problem letting a Muslim become the President of the United States of America with the "War on Terror" that we currently face to this day...
He's not Muslim... so michael, have you changed your mind about Obama now that you know he's a Christian?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20070116/capt.sge.irm89.160107165015.photo00.photo.default-394x512.jpg
Barack "I am not a Muslim" Obama

[Enter Apotheosis]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20070116/capt.sge.irm89.160107165015.photo00.photo.default-394x512.jpg

But... but... but... he looks funny!

[just skins baby]

Just as long as we have no more Bushes and Clintons I would probably survive alright.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Be prepared to be called a racist/xenophobe/ignorant or something equally harsh by the resident lefties of the board.

[Rdskns2000]

Why on earth are worry about something that will not happen. Obama will fall faster than Howard Dean did. He's a media creation and nothing more. When the votes are cast, he won't get any and will be done after the first couple of weeks of primaries.


The democratic race is between Hillary and Edwards.

[luckydevil]

Be prepared to be called a racist/xenophobe/ignorant or something equally harsh by the resident lefties of the board.

I am not a leftist, but are you honestly suggesting that it is not ignorant?

[Spaceman Spiff]

I am not a leftist, but are you honestly suggesting that it is not ignorant?

It is what it is. I don't neccesarily agree with it but whatever.

I'm saying people are entitled to their own feelings and shouldn't have to justify them or made to feel bad about them.

Peoples perceptions are their realities.

[Major Harris]

It is what it is.

blondie, is that you?

if not, spiff owes somebody some royalties.

[Spaceman Spiff]

blondie, is that you?

if not, spiff owes somebody some royalties.

Is that her trademark saying? I don't care enough/pay attention enough to notice. :toilet:

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

You all are way off on Barack. He would absolutely make a great president. He DOES have experience and more importantly he has REAL WORLD experience. Plus he was dead on about the Iraq War, way more then any other candidate on both sides. Don't listen to all the bull**** about him. That's just some kool-aid drinking Sean Hannity ****. Read his book. Educate yourselves about him. Him and Guiliani are 1-2 in my opinion. He's got my vote.

EDIT: Oh and **** Hillary Clinton and John McCain. They are both full of ****.

[Burgold]

Almost every President has come from nowhere and lacks Presidential experience. Who heard of Carter or Clinton or Taft? I mean really, despite his name, who knew much about George W. Bush? They knew his last name and that he'd been a governor and they wanted to get off the Clinton train. That was enough for most. These guys rise up because they have a charisma or an idea or ideal that is appealing. The media will do its thing. Their thing is pump up a new figure and make a hero. Then, it will disect and try to bring the hero down. Obama is in the honeymoon phase of his candidacy. Is he the guy? right now he seems somewhat thoughtful and well spoken. He's willing to own up to mistakes and be somewhat blunt. Good qualities. He hasn't been tested yet. No one's really challenged him or put the fire to him. When that happens the American people can better judge him?

[Thanos]

Same old rhetoric with a new spin. How much more experience does he need? Joe Biden has been in the Senate for over thirty years and people cant name three things he's accomplished.

Obama will court and win the young vote and that may be the difference.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Yes, I am VERY uncomfortable with Barak Obama. I'm uncomfortable with him because he's a LIBERAL, and therefore someone who holds no common morals or values with me.

[codeorama]

He's not going to win and neither is Hillary, so, I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it... :2cents:

[matty dread]

At this point I'd take just about anyone over the douchebag who's been running things for the past 6 years.

[portisizzle]

At this point I'd take just about anyone over the douchebag who's been running things for the past 6 years.

You mean "the douchebags" running things for the past 14 years.

[portisizzle]

With the goings on in this country and outside this country I think it is high time for a President with the credentials to properly perform the job of Commander in Chief.

[Zen-like Todd]

Do you have a problem with the fact that you were suckered by the media into thinking that he was Muslim?


And let me tell ya 1st off....I really do not like Hillary Clinton at ALL!

I truly think I would vote for my ex-girlfriends for that position before I voted for that.... :rolleyes:

But something has me concerned the way Obama has gained popularity throughout with (from what I've heard and read)not much credentials...

It may be wrong for me to be truthful here,but I will say what is on my mind anyways...

I'm not a prejudiced person at all as I have 3 lovely nephews and 2 of them are african American..Boy and girl...

But I got a problem letting a Muslim become the President of the United States of America with the "War on Terror" that we currently face to this day...

If it were the Irish,Italian or any other ethnic group....I would still share these same feelings, if they were bombing Grocery stores...Flying planes into buildings....Shooting shoulder rocket launchers at Commercial airliners or whatever throughout the world...

He may or may not be a great man...?I don't know!But how do we all know he doesn't share the same religious believes as Osama bin Laden,but just a little bit better under the radar than the fanatics?

I truly don't know much about him other than what I've heard other programs talk about him and of course what Hillary has dug up on him (which can't be trusted either)

So my question to everyone here....Am I a rascist for feeling the way that I do?Because I'm willing to bet that many feel the same way I do too!

PS....I'd be more than willing to take the Man and his wife out to dinner...pay for his meal...But the guy a beer...and have a few laughs with him...

I just don't want this man running this Country!!

[Thanos]

Yes, I am VERY uncomfortable with Barak Obama. I'm uncomfortable with him because he's a LIBERAL, and therefore someone who holds no common morals or values with me.

Morals dont mean a damn if you cant see the raod this nation is going that may take generations to correct.Conservatives have proven they cant run things .So at this rate they may not sniff the WH until the 2020's at the very least.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Morals dont mean a damn if you cant see the raod this nation is going that may take generations to correct.Conservatives have proven they cant run things .So at this rate they may not sniff the WH until the 2020's at the very least.

This has to account for something.

It's not a secret that we're widely hated on the world scene right now. We need someone to improve our relations outside our borders (and actually unite the people in this country, too).

[skinsfan44]

Obama is a Socialist.

That's all I need to know.

He will NOT be getting my vote.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Morals dont mean a damn if you cant see the road this nation is going that may take generations to correct.

I know it's going to take Generations and decades to correct the things wrong with this country. It may take longer to fix than the 150 years it's taken to break it this badly. But the journey has to start with a single step. Nominating, running, electing, and letting a truly CONSERVATIVE politician would be a good first step so far as I'm concerned.


Conservatives have proven they cant run things.

When has a CONSERVATIVE actually be put in a position of power in this country's recent history? Certainly not in MY lifetime. Let's actually give a CONSERVATIVE a chance to run things before saying they won't do a good job.


So at this rate they may not sniff the WH until the 2020's at the very least.

No Conservative has had any level of power in the Federal Government in my lifetime, so I'm not sure how you can say this. You're probably right that no CONSERVATIVE could actually win, but I'd like to see one party or the other actually nominate one at some point in time.

[flashback]

Obama is a Socialist.

That's all I need to know.

He will NOT be getting my vote.

I think you meant "Democrat". Obama could join the DSAUSA (http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html) if he wanted to. He's no more a Socialist than McCain or Guiliani.

I guess this means you'll be supporting Tancredo or Hunter?

[twa]

With the goings on in this country and outside this country I think it is high time for a President with the credentials to properly perform the job of Commander in Chief.

Who would that be?

What I find funny( in a sick way) are those that say Obama is not black enough,yet are not considered out of line.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=rss_World&set_id=1&click_id=&art_id=vn20070118062045785C268484

[headexplode]

Obama is a Socialist.

That's all I need to know.

He will NOT be getting my vote.

If Barack Obama is a socialist, then I'm the queen of England.



I know it's going to take Generations and decades to correct the things wrong with this country. It may take longer to fix than the 150 years it's taken to break it this badly. But the journey has to start with a single step. Nominating, running, electing, and letting a truly CONSERVATIVE politician would be a good first step so far as I'm concerned.



When has a CONSERVATIVE actually be put in a position of power in this country's recent history? Certainly not in MY lifetime. Let's actually give a CONSERVATIVE a chance to run things before saying they won't do a good job.



No Conservative has had any level of power in the Federal Government in my lifetime, so I'm not sure how you can say this. You're probably right that no CONSERVATIVE could actually win, but I'd like to see one party or the other actually nominate one at some point in time.

I think you should run for president, Mass.

Edit: I guess you're not quite old enough. But in 2012, you should run.

[headexplode]

And you know his middle name is Hussein. I don't see this playing well in the "heartland."

[Destino]

You know guys I have an idea:
Why not stop posting opinions on a guy you know nothing about, and instead using that time to actually answer some of your questions about the guy.

The thread was started by a guy that can't support Barak because he's muslim. The problem with that opinion being that he is not a muslim. These are the kinds of things that can be prevented if you take 5 minutes to read up a bit. A good start is to visit his site and find the "about" page that every candidate has. The last line would have cleared up the whole muslim thing: "His wife, Michelle, and his two daughters, Malia, 8, and Sasha, 5, live on Chicago's South Side where they attend Trinity United Church of Christ"

Presonally I haven't heard enough from Obama to make an opinion, but I don't like his stance on the war. We'll see about the rest of it.

[G-Prime]

My wife told me last night, I should run for President when I'm old enough. Her reasonings were "Because all you do is fix things and make them better, no matter what the problem is you fix it"..

I love my wife =)

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I think you should run for president, Mass.

Edit: I guess you're not quite old enough. But in 2012, you should run.

There's no party in this country that would have me, head. None that would even look at me, once they understood the things that I believed in and the fact that I do not compromise on or hide those things.

That's part of the problem with the system... The few people who might do what's necessary can never even find a party to support them, never mind WIN an election.

[Kilmer17]

Im uncomfortable only because I dont know much about his stances, and those that I do know, I dont agree with at all.

[alexey]

I'm saying people are entitled to their own feelings and shouldn't have to justify them or made to feel bad about them.

Peoples perceptions are their realities.
He did not have to justify his feelings. But he decided to do that and so he started this thread. He asked the people if his feelings were justified and he got two types of responses:

1) No.
2) Yes but not for the reason he stated.

[EersSkins05]

You know guys I have an idea:
Why not stop posting opinions on a guy you know nothing about, and instead using that time to actually answer some of your questions about the guy.

The thread was started by a guy that can't support Barak because he's muslim. The problem with that opinion being that he is not a muslim. These are the kinds of things that can be prevented if you take 5 minutes to read up a bit. A good start is to visit his site and find the "about" page that every candidate has. The last line would have cleared up the whole muslim thing: "His wife, Michelle, and his two daughters, Malia, 8, and Sasha, 5, live on Chicago's South Side where they attend Trinity United Church of Christ"


:applause:

This thread has gone on 3 pages and most of you are dignifying the original post which was at BEST uninformed, and at worst bigoted.

This is the reason the electoral system in this country is so effed up. People don't actually take the time to LEARN anything, they'd just rather be TOLD something and believe it.

[The Evil Genius]

Be prepared to be called a racist/xenophobe/ignorant or something equally harsh by the resident lefties of the board.

Would you settle for ignorant dumb****?

:rolleyes:

[skinsfan07]

At this point I'd take just about anyone over the douchebag who's been running things for the past 6 years.

Amen to that!

And this upcoming election will be my first chance to vote for prez since I will be 18, and believe you me, Barack's got my vote.

[zoony]

I saw him on 60 minutes last week... he is very charismatic and he is very smart.


I liked his ideas about communicating more with our enemies. But I didn't like his plan to roll back tax cuts (only the wealthy my ass) and his desire for socialized medicine.

[Henry]

I'm saying people are entitled to their own feelings and shouldn't have to justify them or made to feel bad about them.

Michael_33 didn't have to justify his feelings. He chose to do so of his own free will. If he feels bad about them that's on noone but him.


Peoples perceptions are their realities.

So because M33 perceives Obama to be Muslim, he really is?

[Thanos]

I saw him on 60 minutes last week... he is very charismatic and he is very smart.


I liked his ideas about communicating more with our enemies. But I didn't like his plan to roll back tax cuts (only the wealthy my ass) and his desire for socialized medicine.

What is Medicaid & Medicare?

[zoony]

What is Medicaid & Medicare?


What Obama wants to put me on thru raising taxes... even though I have my own.

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[Destino]

What Obama wants to put me on thru raising taxes... even though I have my own.

.......

The problem is people can't afford health care. One way to fix that is to tax people and have it provided for those that can't afford it. I don't like that solution.

I'd like to see is downward pressure on the cost of health care. Lowering costs as a way of making it more affordable. The cost of health care in this country is flat out crazy and a required service that every body needs. Something so essential with such a high consumer base shouldn't be priced so highly. Either the system is lacking competition, stunningly inefficient, or being artificially inflated by companies that for whatever reason are allowed to get away with it. Either way, something needs to be done.

[War Paint]

The problem is people can't afford health care. One way to fix that is to tax people and have it provided for those that can't afford it. I don't like that solution.

I'd like to see is downward pressure on the cost of health care. Lowering costs as a way of making it more affordable. The cost of health care in this country is flat out crazy and a required service that every body needs has so much volume that it shouldn't be priced so highly. Something needs to be done.


Health insurance premiums are insane. My parents health insurance is over $600 a month. They are pretty healthy too. $600 a month is insane. I'm a republican, but I am really on the fence in regards to what should be done with health care.

[zoony]

The problem is people can't afford health care. One way to fix that is to tax people and have it provided for those that can't afford it. I don't like that solution.

I'd like to see is downward pressure on the cost of health care. Lowering costs as a way of making it more affordable. The cost of health care in this country is flat out crazy and a required service that every body needs. Something so essential with such a high consumer base shouldn't be priced so highly. Either the system is lacking competition, stunningly inefficient, or being artificially inflated by companies that for whatever reason are allowed to get away with it. Either way, something needs to be done.



I absolutely agree Des. The Insurance Industry & Pharmaceutical Industries are out of control. I've said as much in the past, and I posted links a few weeks back about the combined $1.6 billion those 2 industries alone have contributed to political campaigns since 1998. That is an insane amount of cash.

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[The Evil Genius]

Like it or not, I think socialized health care is inevitable in the US.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Like it or not, I think socialized health care is inevitable in the US.

I'm sure I'll be in the minority on this but I'd rather have NO health care system than a socialized health care system. As somebody who has to see certain specialists on a fairly regular basis, I'd rather pay for it out of my own pocket than to have the government tell me how often I can see the doctors I need, and what treatments/medications I can use.

[Kilmer17]

Like it or not, I think socialized health care is inevitable in the US.


I hate it, but you are absolutely right.

Get ready to wait 6 months for important procedures.

And get ready for a secondary market of non-insurance doctors/health care for the rich.

[zoony]

And get ready for a secondary market of non-insurance doctors/health care for the rich.



Absolutely. It's happens every time the Socialist agenda wins out.


As liberal as I am on so many social issues, the economics of Democrats/Socialism always prevents me from taking the plunge.


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[Kilmer17]

Absolutely. It's happens every time the Socialist agenda wins out.


As liberal as I am on so many social issues, the economics of Democrats/Socialism always prevents me from taking the plunge.


....

Very true for lots of us.

[The Evil Genius]

I guess I should amend my last comment...

I don't think we in our lifetime will see a pure 100% socialized health care system in the US. I do think we (well some of us) are seeing the need for total coverage for everyone and moving towards it, rightly or wrongly.

[Thanos]

I'm sure I'll be in the minority on this but I'd rather have NO health care system than a socialized health care system. As somebody who has to see certain specialists on a fairly regular basis, I'd rather pay for it out of my own pocket than to have the government tell me how often I can see the doctors I need, and what treatments/medications I can use.

Your statement is insane.What if the person can't afford it out of pocket as yourself? I guess SOL for them right?

[The Evil Genius]

Your statement is insane.What if the person can't afford it out of pocket as yourself? I guess SOL for them right?

As the current rate of increase in medical costs - that will soon be a lot of us. :silly:

[Midnight Judges]

Absolutely. It's happens every time the Socialist agenda wins out.


As liberal as I am on so many social issues, the economics of Democrats/Socialism always prevents me from taking the plunge.


....

Perhaps you should learn the definition of socialism, that might change your stance. Same for you Kilmer.

[Hooper]

You know guys I have an idea:
Why not stop posting opinions on a guy you know nothing about, and instead using that time to actually answer some of your questions about the guy.

The thread was started by a guy that can't support Barak because he's muslim. The problem with that opinion being that he is not a muslim. These are the kinds of things that can be prevented if you take 5 minutes to read up a bit. A good start is to visit his site and find the "about" page that every candidate has. The last line would have cleared up the whole muslim thing: "His wife, Michelle, and his two daughters, Malia, 8, and Sasha, 5, live on Chicago's South Side where they attend Trinity United Church of Christ"

Presonally I haven't heard enough from Obama to make an opinion, but I don't like his stance on the war. We'll see about the rest of it.

Come on, Destino. That's too much work. It's much easier to listen to Air America or watch Fox news and have them tell you what to think about a certain candidate.

[Air Force Cane]

Barack Hussein Obama:
Muslim father
Muslim step-father
raised in Indonesia and Hawaii
law school professor at liberal U of Chicago
liberal and undistinguised state senator from Illinois
walked into office against Alan Keyes in US Senate race
less than two years legislative experience
-ZERO executive experience
-ZERO jobs created in private sector

sounds like just the kind of hard nosed warrior we need to take on Al Qaeda :rolleyes:

if he was white he would have the same media coverage as Dennis Kucinich.

[zoony]

Perhaps you should learn the definition of socialism, that might change your stance. Same for you Kilmer.



Oh that's rich coming from a music major :laugh:



I can look directly to Europe's rotting cesspool of economic decay, as well as the failed Economic social princibles implemented in other countries just fine.

I can also look to the United State's rise to global Economic domination, and figure out just how ignorant one might have to be to make a statement such as the one you just made.

Maybe you should spend less time accusing others of being ignorant, and more time looking in the mirror. :whoknows:




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[Thanos]

Barack Hussein Obama:
Muslim father
Muslim step-father
raised in Indonesia and Hawaii
law school professor at liberal U of Chicago
liberal and undistinguised state senator from Illinois
walked into office against Alan Keyes in US Senate race
less than two years legislative experience
-ZERO executive experience
-ZERO jobs created in private sector

sounds like just the kind of hard nosed warrior we need to take on Al Qaeda :rolleyes:

if he was white he would have the same media coverage as Dennis Kucinich.

Cant wait for the election .

[Zen-like Todd]

Barack Hussein Obama:
Muslim father
Muslim step-father
raised in Indonesia and Hawaii
law school professor at liberal U of Chicago
liberal and undistinguised state senator from Illinois
walked into office against Alan Keyes in US Senate race
less than two years legislative experience
-ZERO executive experience
-ZERO jobs created in private sector

sounds like just the kind of hard nosed warrior we need to take on Al Qaeda :rolleyes:

if he was white he would have the same media coverage as Dennis Kucinich.

1) He's Christian. Throwing out the word Muslim just makes us ignore you as a troll.
2) The University of Chicago is the home of the Chicago school of economics... that is to say, neoclassical.
3) He has 10 years of legislative experience, in addition to teaching law, and heading the Harvard Law Review.
4) If that's the best you can do, you might as well pack up and go home.

[zoony]

Oh yah, here's Webster's definition Kilmer. You really should study up, because disagreeing with Midnight Judges could only mean that you're ignorant in all things economic. I'll do some studying as well!




Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1837
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Your statement is insane.What if the person can't afford it out of pocket as yourself? I guess SOL for them right?

Yes. So far as I'm concerned Health Care is a PRIVLEDGE, not a right. On a personal level, I would rather die than accept monies and assistance from the government.

[HSW]

1) He's Christian. Throwing out the word Muslim just makes us ignore you as a troll.
2) The University of Chicago is the home of the Chicago school of economics... that is to say, neoclassical.
3) He has 10 years of legislative experience, in addition to teaching law, and heading the Harvard Law Review.
4) If that's the best you can do, you might as well pack up and go home.

You are just now learning that AFC is a troll? :laugh: If you skip past
the 5 daily threads he puts up there are actually some good
ones posted in this forum.

[Thanos]

Yes. So far as I'm concerned Health Care is a PRIVLEDGE, not a right. On a personal level, I would rather die than accept monies and assistance from the government.

What about Tri-Care?

[mboyd784]

Obama is far more intelligent and moralistic than our current pres. I'm fine with it.

[DjTj]

if he was white he would have the same media coverage as Dennis Kucinich....or maybe John Edwards four years ago - some people just have "it."

And BTW, Chicago Law is probably the most conservative of the top 25 law schools. It was the birthplace of the law and economics movement and home to one of the founding chapters of the Federalist Society.

[HSW]

Yes. So far as I'm concerned Health Care is a PRIVLEDGE, not a right. On a personal level, I would rather die than accept monies and assistance from the government.

No problem there. I would rather let you pass away then give
you a dime.:D

[Mass_SkinsFan]

What about Tri-Care?

I will admit to not being terribly well versed on the Tri-Care military health system. So far as I'm concerned we should be providing standard medical coverage for full-time military personnel and their families. It's the least we can do considering what they give up to do the job and how poorly we compensate them. Once they leave the service, however, I am nowhere near as in favor of providing them medical coverage at government expense.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

My wife told me last night, I should run for President when I'm old enough. Her reasonings were "Because all you do is fix things and make them better, no matter what the problem is you fix it"..

I love my wife =)

She was just buttering you up for Valentine's Day...hoping for a nice gift!

;)

[Peregrine]

People use the term "Christian" very loosely now a days.

I wouldnt vote for Obama in a million years, because unfortunately he has had enough experience to show his values are...well...not based on principles.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

No problem there. I would rather let you pass away then give you a dime.:D

I get the feeling this response might surprise you....


GOOD. It's a good thing that you don't want to spend a dime on my health. SO LONG AS you don't want to spend a dime on some Liberal's health, your parent's health, etc... It doesn't make sense to spend your money on somebody else's health. Especially through the government.

Now if your comment is based solely on disliking ME, and would pay money to support other people's health, then you're being disingenuous.

[Thanos]

I get the feeling this response might surprise you....


GOOD. It's a good thing that you don't want to spend a dime on my health. SO LONG AS you don't want to spend a dime on some Liberal's health, your parent's health, etc... It doesn't make sense to spend your money on somebody else's health. Especially through the government.

Now if your comment is based solely on disliking ME, and would pay money to support other people's health, then you're being disingenuous.

That burden is just passed to the states via their Medicaid programs good sir.Society pays for it in other ways to included America's overcrowded for profit prison system.We need to wake up to this problem before its too late.

[Midnight Judges]

Oh yah, here's Webster's definition Kilmer. You really should study up, because disagreeing with Midnight Judges could only mean that you're ignorant in all things economic. I'll do some studying as well!




Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1837
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Exactly. We are not even close to fitting these definitions, but you and Kilmer are faithful to the Republican party the way I am faithful to the Redskins. It's just your team and you will root for them through thick and thin. I thought Patrick Ramsey was going to be a good QB because I wear burgundy and gold glasses, you literally think Dems are socialists because you wear Republican goggles. Go Team!

[zoony]

Exactly. We are not even close to fitting these definitions, but you and Kilmer are faithful to the Republican party the way I am faithful to the Redskins. It's just your team and you will root for them through thick and thin. I thought Patrick Ramsey was going to be a good QB because I wear burgundy and gold glasses, you literally think Dems are socialists because you wear Republican goggles. Go Team!



:laugh: Your knowledge shines thru again :applause:


I'm a registered independent. I voted for two democrats in the last election... Harold Ford Jr. and Phil Bredesen.


But by all means, keep building your straw man, it's all you have at this point. Leave the actual debate to the grown-ups, okay?

....

[HSW]

I get the feeling this response might surprise you....


GOOD. It's a good thing that you don't want to spend a dime on my health. SO LONG AS you don't want to spend a dime on some Liberal's health, your parent's health, etc... It doesn't make sense to spend your money on somebody else's health. Especially through the government.

Now if your comment is based solely on disliking ME, and would pay money to support other people's health, then you're being disingenuous.

No, everyone else is OK. Just not you. :D j/k.

[Destino]

People use the term "Christian" very loosely now a days.

I agree. Many "Christians" these days define morality with sexuality, spend all day passing judgement on others, and only love like minded neighbors.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

That burden is just passed to the states via their Medicaid programs good sir.Society pays for it in other ways to included America's overcrowded for profit prison system.We need to wake up to this problem before its too late.

Notice I didn't say FEDERAL government, Thanos. I don't believe there's any state that has health care as a prescibed benefit/power of the government.

You mentioned the prison system... I don't believe that anything beyond basic medical care should be given to prisoners.

We do need to wake up... wake up and move away from government influence in yet another private industry. Before it's too late.

[Predicto]

law school professor at liberal U of Chicago


:laugh:

WTF?

U Chicago liberal? The home of Professor Antonin Scalia? Richard Posner? Frank Easterbrook? The place where law and economics was created? The birthplace of the Federalist Society?

For a member of the bar, your willful ignorance is appalling.

[Thanos]

Notice I didn't say FEDERAL government, Thanos. I don't believe there's any state that has health care as a prescibed benefit/power of the government.

You mentioned the prison system... I don't believe that anything beyond basic medical care should be given to prisoners.

We do need to wake up... wake up and move away from government influence in yet another private industry. Before it's too late.


http://bp3.blogger.com/_Aq1TxR2o6RE/RdOB4_ELjWI/AAAAAAAACEM/lbfyZvMHMCk/s400/kanye.jpg

Cmon Mass admit.This is the real reason Obama scares you.:rant:

[headexplode]

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Aq1TxR2o6RE/RdOB4_ELjWI/AAAAAAAACEM/lbfyZvMHMCk/s400/kanye.jpg

Cmon Mass admit.This is the real reason Obama scares you.:rant:

Absolutely effing hilarious. And hot, too.

I mean, I actually guffawed.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Cmon Mass admit.This is the real reason Obama scares you.:rant:

I'm GUESSING that you're trying to make an inter-racial dating comment with your response and that photograph.

I believe the Senator's wife is of the same racial background that he is, so that's obviously not an issue.

On the issue in general, I'd suggest next time backing it up with something other than a posed photograph from a soft-core porno issue of a sports magazine. Assuming that the photograph wasn't posed.... The two people pictured are both apparently adults and more than capable of making their own decisions on who to fraternize with. If she was my daughter or girlfriend, we'd be having a conversation on several issues, but that's a personal thing.

Now let's try to get this back on topic. Or at least back to the last hijacked subject vaguely related to the topic.

[Thanos]

I'm GUESSING that you're trying to make an inter-racial dating comment with your response and that photograph.

I believe the Senator's wife is of the same racial background that he is, so that's obviously not an issue.

On the issue in general, I'd suggest next time backing it up with something other than a posed photograph from a soft-core porno issue of a sports magazine. Assuming that the photograph wasn't posed.... The two people pictured are both apparently adults and more than capable of making their own decisions on who to fraternize with. If she was my daughter or girlfriend, we'd be having a conversation on several issues, but that's a personal thing.

Now let's try to get this back on topic. Or at least back to the last hijacked subject vaguely related to the topic.

Where is the patented sense of humor I've read about?

Give me three concrete reasons why you won't vote for Sen. Obama based on legislation he's authored or policy issues?

[Air Force Cane]

Originally Posted by Air Force Cane
if he was white he would have the same media coverage as Dennis Kucinich.

...or maybe John Edwards four years ago - some people just have "it."


I agree with you on that one. And notice how Edward's OWN STATE of North Carolina voted against him in the 04 election. He wasn't qualified either.

They are basically clones of each other, other than the fact that Edward's being a slimy ambulance chaser- while Obama is a less slimy constitutional lawyer.

Other than Obama admitting to frequent cocaine use and the color of their skin, he and Edwards are the same empty suits :mad:

[mboyd784]

Originally Posted by Air Force Cane
if he was white he would have the same media coverage as Dennis Kucinich.

...or maybe John Edwards four years ago - some people just have "it."


I agree with you on that one. And notice how Edward's OWN STATE of North Carolina voted against him in the 04 election. He wasn't qualified either.

They are basically clones of each other, other than the fact that Edward's being a slimy ambulance chaser- while Obama is a less slimy constitutional lawyer.

Other than Obama admitting to frequent cocaine use and the color of their skin, he and Edwards are the same empty suits :mad:




Like you and John Ashcroft, except you like girls and have far less money!

[Air Force Cane]

for HSW who obviously has the reading comprehension skills of a 6 year old:

I NEVER STATED HE WAS A MUSLIM.

I wrote "Father was a Muslim. Step-father was a Muslim"

You are the one who decided to interpret that into some kind of nonsense. Sure, great he is a Christian in a weird type of Chicago church. So what does that have to do with his background in Indonesia?

Todd the Troll can call me as many names as he wishes- that doesn't change the fact that Hussein Obama is not going to be elected President of the United States.

I will wager 200 dollars on that right now.

[Zen-like Todd]

for HSW who obviously has the reading comprehension skills of a 6 year old:

I NEVER STATED HE WAS A MUSLIM.

I wrote "Father was a Muslim. Step-father was a Muslim"

You are the one who decided to interpret that into some kind of nonsense. Sure, great he is a Christian in a weird type of Chicago church. So what does that have to do with his background in Indonesia?

Todd the Troll can call me as many names as he wishes- that doesn't change the fact that Hussein Obama is not going to be elected President of the United States.

I will wager 200 dollars on that right now.


Just like the time you challenged chomerics to a bet on the number of Democrats who would win congressional seats in this past election? How'd that work out for you buddy? That's a mighty fine track record you've got there AFC. Really man, you're becoming a caricature.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Where is the patented sense of humor I've read about?

It only exists in place where humor is appropriate. Politics is not one of those places. EVER.


Give me three concrete reasons why you won't vote for Sen. Obama based on legislation he's authored or policy issues?

I did a quick Google search on Obama's name and legislation. I came up with three legislative issues without even getting to the bottom of the first page:

Obama was involved in the Deceptve Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2005. Personally, I'd like to see the qualifications for voters in this country raised substantially. If people are too stupid or scared to know the particulars of voting, they probably aren't the people I want voting anyway.

Obama was involved in presenting a binding resolution to force redeployment of American forces in Iraq before March 31, 2008. Again that's a piece of legislation I would be totally against.

Lastly, Obama co-authored a bill to approve $20 Million in aid to African Union peacekeeping forces in the Sudan. Seems Mr. Obama feels the citizens of Sudan are more important than the citizens of Iraq. NO monies should be going to ANY foreign military force. Including the United Nations.

Should I go on?

[luckydevil]

While I am not a Obama fan, I find most conservatives attacks on Obama amusing. It is obvious that they fear him ( in terms of political capital).

As for the healthcare debate, we essentially do have socialized healthcare in this country. Just a REALLY inefficient one. If we go the European route (which seems likely), I hope we embrace the French model not the British model

[Zen-like Todd]

While I am not a Obama fan, I find most conservatives attacks on Obama amusing. It is obvious that they fear him ( in terms of political capital).

As for the healthcare debate, we essentially do have socialized healthcare in this country. Just a REALLY inefficient one. If we go the European route (which seems likely), I hope we embrace the French model not the British model


I noticed the same thing. There definitely seems to be a lot of fear on that side of the aisle. It really is pretty amusing.

[HSW]

for HSW who obviously has the reading comprehension skills of a 6 year old:

I NEVER STATED HE WAS A MUSLIM.

I wrote "Father was a Muslim. Step-father was a Muslim"

You are the one who decided to interpret that into some kind of nonsense. Sure, great he is a Christian in a weird type of Chicago church. So what does that have to do with his background in Indonesia?

Todd the Troll can call me as many names as he wishes- that doesn't change the fact that Hussein Obama is not going to be elected President of the United States.

I will wager 200 dollars on that right now.

Troll says what?

[Kilmer17]

Exactly. We are not even close to fitting these definitions, but you and Kilmer are faithful to the Republican party the way I am faithful to the Redskins. It's just your team and you will root for them through thick and thin. I thought Patrick Ramsey was going to be a good QB because I wear burgundy and gold glasses, you literally think Dems are socialists because you wear Republican goggles. Go Team!

Im fairly certain Im on record here supporting not one, but two Dems for President in 08 (Warner or Schweitzer). As well as stating emphatically that I would have voted for Lieberman if he had won the nomination in 04. Further, I voted for Dems in the last election for 2 of the 3 state positions as well as my state rep.

It's convenient for your argument to paint with such a broad brush, we all do it to some degree. It's hard to actually use facts in the debate.

[JMac]

Dont worry about Obama, worry about IT!

[Predicto]

I am uncomfortable with Obama being our next president. I do not think he has sufficient experience for the most important job in the world.

I think he would do better than the clown we currently have in there, but so would most McDonalds managers, truck drivers, or carnival sideshow geeks.

My standards are a little higher than that.


ps - he is not muslim. Where did you hear that? You might want to question the usefulness of any such information source.

[Friend of the Devil]

He's not Muslim. Religion should be disregarded from politics anyway. IMO.

[Rdskns2000]

Amen to that!

And this upcoming election will be my first chance to vote for prez since I will be 18, and believe you me, Barack's got my vote.


Barracks only got your vote if he's on the ballot. When is the MD presidential primary? Also, you'd have to register as democrat to vote for him; unless your state is one of those states with open primaries.


I seriously doubt; you'll get a change to vote for him as president in fall ballot.

[chomerics]

As for the healthcare debate, we essentially do have socialized healthcare in this country. Just a REALLY inefficient one. If we go the European route (which seems likely), I hope we embrace the French model not the British model

What is the difference in the two models?

[luckydevil]

What is the difference in the two models?

It is much more market friendly, it is more of a mixed system.

[chomerics]

It is much more market friendly, it is more of a mixed system.

Thanks, I'll do some reading on the two.

I am personally interested to see how our state comes out with our socialized health care. This model, from what I have read, will work, and it is market friendly, but puts the onus on business' to pay for health care. They will receive a tax rebate if they pay their employees health care, or a tax penalty if they do not. In other words, they are taxing business that do not offer health care to their employees (I believe it is over 15 employees, but I am not sure of the number).

This state has two things which will allow it to work.

1. A wealthy state which has a high tax revenue (although low on a % basis)
2. A population which is small.

Because of these two things, it is a feasible plan, but I am curious to see how it plays out. We will still have our HMOs and current plans through our employers, but the non-insured (about 20% off the top of my head) will now have their health insurance taken care of as well. They models also predict less emergency room visits which decrease costs. Either way, I want to see IF it can work before I take the jump and back a government health care system, I am skeptical to say the least.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Because of these two things, it is a feasible plan, but I am curious to see how it plays out. We will still have our HMOs and current plans through our employers, but the non-insured (about 20% off the top of my head) will now have their health insurance taken care of as well. They models also predict less emergency room visits which decrease costs. Either way, I want to see IF it can work before I take the jump and back a government health care system, I am skeptical to say the least.

Yep. You and I are going to get to pay for the health care of the bums, beggars, welfare recipients and other people that our society would be much better off without. Instead of allowing them to week themselves out of society we're going to make them more physically healthy so they can continue raping the taxpayers of Massachusetts through other social programs. Really bright idea.

Hopefully the program will be an abysmal failure and show the rest of the country that socialized ANYTHING is an abhoration, contrary to any level of human morals and values, and doomed to failure from the start.

[dockeryfan]

Insinuating Barak Obama is Muslim to turn public opinion against him is about as bad as
designing Willie Horton ads to use race as a means to influence votes.

Both use racism and fear to swing votes. They are untrue and slanderous. Family values=joke.

[BAFGA]

He's not Muslim. Religion should be disregarded from politics anyway. IMO.

Tell that to Al-Qaeda.
Tell that to Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

I agree that religion should be disregarded from politics, but as long as people have an agenda it will never be.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I am uncomfortable with Obama being our next president. I do not think he has sufficient experience for the most important job in the world.

I think he would do better than the clown we currently have in there, but so would most McDonalds managers, truck drivers, or carnival sideshow geeks.

My standards are a little higher than that.


ps - he is not muslim. Where did you hear that? You might want to question the usefulness of any such information source.
So Hillary, Edwards, and McCain all have more experience but yet they were all wrong about Iraq and Obama was dead on about it. That says to me that experience is vastly overrated.

[luckydevil]

. That says to me that experience is vastly overrated.

Yes it is

[borninblood]

And let me tell ya 1st off....I really do not like Hillary Clinton at ALL!

I truly think I would vote for my ex-girlfriends for that position before I voted for that.... :rolleyes:

But something has me concerned the way Obama has gained popularity throughout with (from what I've heard and read)not much credentials...

It may be wrong for me to be truthful here,but I will say what is on my mind anyways...

I'm not a prejudiced person at all as I have 3 lovely nephews and 2 of them are african American..Boy and girl...

But I got a problem letting a Muslim become the President of the United States of America with the "War on Terror" that we currently face to this day...

If it were the Irish,Italian or any other ethnic group....I would still share these same feelings, if they were bombing Grocery stores...Flying planes into buildings....Shooting shoulder rocket launchers at Commercial airliners or whatever throughout the world...

He may or may not be a great man...?I don't know!But how do we all know he doesn't share the same religious believes as Osama bin Laden,but just a little bit better under the radar than the fanatics?

I truly don't know much about him other than what I've heard other programs talk about him and of course what Hillary has dug up on him (which can't be trusted either)

So my question to everyone here....Am I a rascist for feeling the way that I do?Because I'm willing to bet that many feel the same way I do too!

PS....I'd be more than willing to take the Man and his wife out to dinner...pay for his meal...But the guy a beer...and have a few laughs with him...

I just don't want this man running this Country!!

He is not a muslim he is a member of the Church of Christ

[Air Force Cane]

Obviously the same libs who have been clueless in the war against Islamofascist terror- are going to be clueless when it comes to the relevancy of Obama's own Muslim background.

How many of you even realize that religion passes through the FATHER in the Islamic faith? I bet none of you leftists even knew that.

So no matter what Obama thinks of himself as- the Muslims still regard him as a Muslim. And if he takes a stand against Islam- he would be marked as an apostate and must be killed by EVERY Muslim.

Just because you are ignorant as to religion- doesn't mean the rest of us have to remain silent as to the ramifications of having a Muslim apostate as our President.

[The Evil Genius]

Obviously the same libs who have been clueless in the war against Islamofascist terror- are going to be clueless when it comes to the relevancy of Obama's own Muslim background.

How many of you even realize that religion passes through the FATHER in the Islamic faith? I bet none of you leftists even knew that.

So no matter what Obama thinks of himself as- the Muslims still regard him as a Muslim. And if he takes a stand against Islam- he would be marked as an apostate and must be killed by EVERY Muslim.

Just because you are ignorant as to religion- doesn't mean the rest of us have to remain silent as to the ramifications of having a Muslim apostate as our President.

So what you are saying is you don't want a Muslim as President?

Obama was raised in a non-religious household, according to his 2006 book. The son of a white midwestern Baptist/Methodist and a African Muslim raised father who left when he was 2. According to his book, "although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist, thinking religion to be so much superstition."

How much influence his step-dad had can be debated -since he lived with his Mom's parents in Hawaii from age 11 through 18.

I guess when it comes down to it, you have to take people at their word.

[alexey]

How many of you even realize that religion passes through the FATHER in the Islamic faith?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
That's some funny $%$%t.


Wear condoms or you'll catch Islam :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Zen-like Todd]

AFC is a huge disappointment as a MOT. Not for the positions he chooses to support, but the manner in which he attempts to support them. For shame.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I guess when it comes down to it, you have to take people at their word.

WRONG. To paraphrase a former actor and POTUS... "Distrust until verified." That's the philosophy I follow anyway.

[ChiefBigMeat]

Like you and John Ashcroft, except you like girls and have far less money!


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


OMG I almost peed a little when I saw this ... hilarious

[HSW]

AFC is a huge disappointment as a MOT. Not for the positions he chooses to support, but the manner in which he attempts to support them. For shame.

I agree. Kind of like saying that if your father or grandfather was
a Nazi or Nazi collaborator then you are one also...:doh: :doh:

[chomerics]

Yep. You and I are going to get to pay for the health care of the bums, beggars, welfare recipients and other people that our society would be much better off without. Instead of allowing them to week themselves out of society we're going to make them more physically healthy so they can continue raping the taxpayers of Massachusetts through other social programs. Really bright idea.

yea I know, god forbid we actually help people out so they can contribute to society in the future and LOWER our tax burden. . .

[chomerics]

Just because you are ignorant as to religion- doesn't mean the rest of us have to remain silent as to the ramifications of having a Muslim apostate as our President.

:laugh: I guess you missed Predicto's post about the law. . .and you are calling others "ignorant". . .if the irony were any thicker, I would need a chainsaw to cut through it.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

yea I know, god forbid we actually help people out so they can contribute to society in the future and LOWER our tax burden. . .

chom, the people who need this new public-dole health care aren't contributing anything to society to begin with. They're largely the bums, welfare recipients, and career minimum-wagers that society would be better off without to a large degree.

The answer is to get the government (at all levels) out of the social program business. Whether it's health care, welfare, unemployment, etc....

[Air Force Cane]

I am very interested to hear this answer.

What EXACTLY are Obama's plans for the economy, national defense, health care, social security, war on terror, immigration?

Not your billious liberal claptrap about "helping people". What are his exact policy plans and how much will they cost?

I bet not one of you libs could lay down an answer to those questions. How do I know?

Because when asked by a person in one of his crowds- Obama himself said he didn't have full plans thought out yet :doh:

[headexplode]

chom, the people who need this new public-dole health care aren't contributing anything to society to begin with. They're largely the bums, welfare recipients, and career minimum-wagers that society would be better off without to a large degree.

The answer is to get the government (at all levels) out of the social program business. Whether it's health care, welfare, unemployment, etc....


Here, here, Mass.

Those millions of dumb kids that don't work, and they cry: "Oh, I'm not even twelve yet, I can't legally work." I wish they would shut up and get a damn job. It it weren't for the socialists, they could go work in the coal mines or sewing factories and actually contribute something to society. All they do is sit around watching cartoons and playing with toys. What a bunch of lazy, shiftless jerks.

I'd rather my money go to something worthwhile: like the airline companies that always go bankrupt and whom we then bankroll in some never-ending orgy of corruption and incompetence. And so what if their CEO makes 200 times the amount of most of their employees. They deserve it, you know, for all the money they don't earn.

Or I'd rather my money go to the pharmacuetical industries in the form of government funded research for new drugs that they can then sell for more than 4 times the price, and then when people start developing diseases from these medicines they can take yet more government funded research to create more drugs that they can sell for 4 times the price.

Or to highly-connected defense companies for new weapons system that don't actually ever work but are fun to imagine tearing through the sinew of another human being. And to companies that build houses and infrastructure in war-torn nations that never actually seem to get built.

Or to friendly religious organizations who do "charity" work in the form of telling fifteen year-olds that condoms actually spread aids and they shouldn't use them for pregnancy either because, hey, nothing's a sure thing. Then they give them a cheese sandwich and some runny soup.

This is uber-capitalism through socialism and that I can support. But government money for working class schmucks that actually need it: **** them.

[Destino]

Because when asked by a person in one of his crowds- Obama himself said he didn't have full plans thought out yet :doh:

Do you know of any candidate that is willing to share precise information at this early a stage in the campaign? No.

BTW - why would anyone talk about immigration? Bush's plan will most likely pass in the next two years freeing this crop of candidates from having to worry about it.

[Thanos]

I am very interested to hear this answer.

What EXACTLY are Obama's plans for the economy, national defense, health care, social security, war on terror, immigration?

Not your billious liberal claptrap about "helping people". What are his exact policy plans and how much will they cost?

I bet not one of you libs could lay down an answer to those questions. How do I know?

Because when asked by a person in one of his crowds- Obama himself said he didn't have full plans thought out yet :doh:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

I think he lays it out very well.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Those millions of dumb kids that don't work, and they cry: "Oh, I'm not even twelve yet, I can't legally work." I wish they would shut up and get a damn job. It it weren't for the socialists, they could go work in the coal mines or sewing factories and actually contribute something to society. All they do is sit around watching cartoons and playing with toys. What a bunch of lazy, shiftless jerks.

The bigger problem than the 12 year olds is the single mothers and unemployed fathers that many of them have sitting around the house with them watching cartoons and playing with toys. Those are the lazy, shiftless jerks. The 12 year old already HAS a job... it's called school. Though I would suggest it should be much easier to "fire" the 12 year old from his/her job if they don't meet their job requirements than it is currently.


I'd rather my money go to something worthwhile: like the airline companies that always go bankrupt and whom we then bankroll in some never-ending orgy of corruption and incompetence. And so what if their CEO makes 200 times the amount of most of their employees. They deserve it, you know, for all the money they don't earn.

I am against government money being given to ANY private company or industry. I've commented on that numerous times in the past.


Or I'd rather my money go to the pharmacuetical industries in the form of government funded research for new drugs that they can then sell for more than 4 times the price, and then when people start developing diseases from these medicines they can take yet more government funded research to create more drugs that they can sell for 4 times the price.

Again, another thing the government should not be spending ANY money on. That sort of research is the pervue of PRIVATE industry. Just as I believe regulation of the products those companies make should be.


Or to highly-connected defense companies for new weapons system that don't actually ever work but are fun to imagine tearing through the sinew of another human being. And to companies that build houses and infrastructure in war-torn nations that never actually seem to get built.

I'd like to see more results out of the defense industry, for the amount of money put into it, but at least that's a Constitutionally mandated expenditure.

We shouldn't be building or rebuilding ANYTHING outside the US with American taxpayers money.


Or to friendly religious organizations who do "charity" work in the form of telling fifteen year-olds that condoms actually spread aids and they shouldn't use them for pregnancy either because, hey, nothing's a sure thing. Then they give them a cheese sandwich and some runny soup.

Yet another thing the government should not be involved in. No government money should be going to any private organization.


This is uber-capitalism through socialism and that I can support. But government money for working class schmucks that actually need it: **** them.

Government money should not be going to anything that isn't specifically and clearly outlined in Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.

[headexplode]

The bigger problem than the 12 year olds is the single mothers and unemployed fathers that many of them have sitting around the house with them watching cartoons and playing with toys. Those are the lazy, shiftless jerks. The 12 year old already HAS a job... it's called school. Though I would suggest it should be much easier to "fire" the 12 year old from his/her job if they don't meet their job requirements than it is currently.



I am against government money being given to ANY private company or industry. I've commented on that numerous times in the past.



Again, another thing the government should not be spending ANY money on. That sort of research is the pervue of PRIVATE industry. Just as I believe regulation of the products those companies make should be.



I'd like to see more results out of the defense industry, for the amount of money put into it, but at least that's a Constitutionally mandated expenditure.

We shouldn't be building or rebuilding ANYTHING outside the US with American taxpayers money.



Yet another thing the government should not be involved in. No government money should be going to any private organization.



Government money should not be going to anything that isn't specifically and clearly outlined in Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.


I'll give you one thing, Mass, you are very consistent. Most people are far more selective with the term socialism.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I'll give you one thing, Mass, you are very consistent. Most people are far more selective with the term socialism.

That's true, on both counts.

Most people are far more selective with their use of the term socialism because either they don't know any better (probably about 50%) or because they are trying to hide the fact that they're much closer to Josef Stalin than Thomas Jefferson, philosophically (the other 50%).

[Mickalino]

Barack Hussein Obama:
Muslim father
Muslim step-father
raised in Indonesia and Hawaii
law school professor at liberal U of Chicago
liberal and undistinguised state senator from Illinois
walked into office against Alan Keyes in US Senate race
less than two years legislative experience
-ZERO executive experience
-ZERO jobs created in private sector

sounds like just the kind of hard nosed warrior we need to take on Al Qaeda :rolleyes:

if he was white he would have the same media coverage as Dennis Kucinich.


He's Christian. Throwing out the word Muslim just makes us ignore you as a troll.

Todd, it wouldn't hurt to read his post - he never said Obama was a Muslim - he said his father and mother were Muslims

[michael_33]

Interesting that Russia has now pulled out of NATO in the Nuclear Arms race...Isn't it people?

Something weird to share :(
----------------------------

Barack=Iraq.......Hussein=Saddam.......Obama=(Osam a Bin Laden)

And we want this guy to be the President of the United States of America?

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

But I got a problem letting a Muslim become the President of the United States of America with the "War on Terror" that we currently face to this day...


A Muslim is he? Thats all I needed to know :doh:

[michael_33]

A Muslim is he? Thats all I needed to know :doh:



Have you seen this?
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A simple word play on this phonetically ironic name will generate Barack=Iraq, Hussein=Saddam (Hussein), Obama=Osama (Bin Laden).

Obama claims to be a Protestant Christian (The United Church of Christ).

Many websites are already beginning to question if Barack Hussein Obama is indeed the supposedly coming “false Messiah”, id est, The Antichrist. Indeed, according to Overture.com (the parent of the Yahoo search engine) Barack Obama is the 2nd most popular search incorporating the keyword “antichrist”. In fact, if you perform a Yahoo search for Antichrist, the alternative suggestions are “Also try: barack obama antichrist, nicolas sarkozy antichrist, maitreya antichrist, javier solana antichrist” with Obama's name being the first alternative. Google claims over 90,000 web pages connecting Barack Obama and Antichrist.

With all of these coincidences, it does make one wonder, is this man really a secret Muslim Manchurian candidate, and if so, is he dedicated to the Jihad declaring Death to all Whites? Many people assume the name “Barack Hussein Obama” to be that of purely African origin, and indeed the name “Obama” is just that — however his first name came directly from the Holy Qur'an, where the word “Barack” means “blessed”. It is without much doubt that everyone on earth now realizes that “Hussein” is a Muslim name, one which originated from Hussein bin Ali, who was the Sharif of Mecca, Emir of Mecca, King of Hejaz, and Caliph of all Muslims. So one needs to ask themselves now, will Barack be yet another Black Muslim, this time sworn into our nation's highest office using the Holy Qur'an? Does he seem to fit the middle-eastern-looking profile suggested by many theologians, as being that of The Antichrist? Why has he downplayed his attendance at a “predominantly Muslim school” (Saudi funded Madrassa) in Jakarta Indonesia?

The other night before going to bed, I saw on CNN, radical Black Muslims in Europe standing in front of a Catholic church, calling for the death of the Pope. They were dressed very similar to the Muslims you see killing Americans in Iraq (faces covered with cloth; with only their eyes showing). Their message was succinct, “The Prophet Mohammed has come to slaughter all of you. We are Muslims, we drink the blood of the enemy, and we can face them anywhere. This is Islam. This is jihad.” A quote of the message shouted by bullhorn from masked men in front of a church. Keep in mind, if a White European was to shout even the most benign comments against Muslims or the Prophet Mohammed in front of a Mosque, he would quickly be arrested and charged with “inciting racial hatred”, a charge seemingly only applicable to native European Whites. So why the double standard?

One has to ask, why would White Europeans EVEN LET such vile non-White Muslims into their country, if all they want to do is commit crimes against Whites and commit acts of racial violence? Have White people the world over, collectively lost their minds? What was life like before “multiculturalism” and is it really so much better now?



Minority Race is apparently so important in American politics these days, that it has ultimately propelled this Black Chicago politician, a freshman senator, less than two years removed from the corruption plagued Illinois state senate, into the limelight of the upcoming 2008 U.S. Presidential election.

Yet we still aren't supposed to engage in any real, genuine, or honest public debates regarding the realities of race.

I will freely admit that I am wholly unimpressed with, and do not endorse any presidential candidates. So let me note that Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) strikes me as essentially a no-more-or-less typical candidate for President, than any of the other potentials, past or present, including my very own irrelevant governor, Tom Vilesack from Iowa (now withdrawn from the race due to lack of support).

Still, I might be able to play an educational role here, by actually mentioning some of the unmentionable reasons behind this Obama phenomenon.

Obama is constantly being compared in the media to Tiger Woods, however he bears a striking difference from Woods in two rather significant ways. First, his list of any real accomplishments within his chosen profession is vastly smaller, and second, Woods rejected Nike's assertion that he should identify himself as Black (in order to maximize his marketability in America). Woods rejected this notion because he did not want to offend and alienate his mother and all of his other non-Negro ancestors.

In contrast, like Oscar winning Halle Berry, Obama identifies only as Black, tho that requires a somewhat symbolic disowning of his White mother and maternal grandparents — despite the fact that they did far more for him than his drunken abusive polygamous African father (who abandoned him when he was age two, later dying in a one-car drunk driving accident in Kenya when Obama was age 21). Obama writes: “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.” That seems to me to be quite self-sacrificial, but oddly enough, this statement apparently hasn't hurt his popularity amongst Whites one bit! Interestingly, in what appears to be a rather coincidental theological parallel, throughout all of his life, Jesus would often ridicule, scold, and even disowned his mother at the age of twelve (Luke 2:49, John 2:4). Although this may merely be yet another coincidence, but isn't The Antichrist prophesied to have many parallels in common with Jesus? Also, how do people react when Obama speaks, and how is this entranced captivation similar to what is foretold in end-times prophecy?



Regardless of all this circumstantial evidence, the brutal truth remains that Obama is an Uncle Tom. He is a remarkably exotic variety of “faux American Negro”, and is essentially what is termed “an Oreo”. He has absolutely no ancestors who were ever slaves in the U.S., moreover, his upbringing by his White mother and Indonesian stepfather in Indonesia — and at age 10+ by his White grandparents in Hawaii (an area where mixed-race children are essentially commonplace) has almost wholly divorced him from any semblance of an “African-American” heritage, except of course for what he could see and possibly assimilate from TV.

Even genetically, Obama; whose East African descent is apparent by his above-Black-median intelligence, generally non-aggressive, nonviolent personality, as well as his unusual features — has only a very distant relationship to West Africans, who are the predominant ancestors of American Blacks. But details such as these just seem to make this nominal “African-American” all that much more endearing to Whites.

So why are so many Whites, especially those in the media, so passionate about promoting this man for President in 2008?

The Obama phenomenon appears to be similar to the Colin Powell craze of 1995. Of course, Powell had far better qualifications. He had been intimately involved in managing a successful international campaign, the Gulf War of 1991. He had also articulated a thoughtful, cautious policy for when and how to conduct military operations, the Powell Doctrine, a journalist created neologism, based in large part on the Weinberger Doctrine, the wisdom of which our current situation in Iraq has only served to underline. Supporting Obama for President, like supporting Powell a decade ago, is seen by many Whites as the ultimate in White Guilt absolution!

It is important to understand however, that White Guilt is quite different from for example, Catholic Guilt — which consists of a very straightforward feeling of spiritual, personal and of course, moral failure.

By comparison, I don't think I've ever personally meet even ONE White who personally felt any real guilt for the inability of Blacks to fit and function within American society. But I HAVE known many Whites, who choose to loudly blame any Racial Realist Whites for the many obvious Black difficulties.

Some Whites choose to heap guilt upon their own ancestors, but many who publicly proclaim both the existence and reality of White Guilt, aren't at all averse to noting that their own forefathers arrived at Ellis Island long after slavery was over, thus absolving themselves forever of any inherited shame.

In other words, White Guilt is just another power ploy in the great American White status struggle. Negroes have become nothing more than pawns, used by Whites in asserting a higher level of moral superiority over all other Whites.

Also, finding and punishing “guilty” Whites seems to have become almost a national obsession. One notorious example from current events is the framing of the White Duke University lacrosse players by Durham district attorney Mike Nifong (with the enthusiastic assistance of the Jew York Times) in their endless hunt for what Tom Wolfe, author of Bonfire of the Vanities calls “the Great White Defendant”.

So, many Whites want to be able to say, “I'm not a hater, I'm not one of those bad Whites — l voted for a Black guy for President!”

I also suspect that there is an even more insidious reason many Whites wish Obama becomes selected for President — they hope that when Blacks finally move into the White House, it will prove to ALL American Negroes, once and for all, that White animus isn't the root cause of all their troubles. They hope that it will show, once and for all, that all Blacks need to do is to live and behave just like President Obama, and all their problems will disappear as well!

It's quite a seductive vision, don't you think? It plays right into our national delusion — that race is only skin deep, that race is “all in our minds”, and that the solution for all racial conflict is simply becoming color blind.

Of course, selecting Obama for President won't actually have any real effect on Black behavior, just as electing Tom Bradley as Black mayor of Los Angeles for five terms in a row from 1973-1993, prevented the thousands of Black rioters from looting and burning down much of that city's commercial district in 1992. Another example could be drawn from the more recent Black riots in Toledo Ohio, where electing a Black mayor, Jack Ford, had little effect in preventing the Black riots on October 15, 2005, which left many North Toledo businesses looted, and in flames.

The unfortunate reality is that there is no panacea for race. The roots of racial difference in America are fundamentally genetic, and these genetic differences stretch far back into the historical and prehistorical past of our respective peoples, even spanning onto other distant continents. Symbolic gestures such as these simply won't have any impact at all on genetic Black-White racial differences.

[nuposse87]

personally I like the guy, because first off, he seems more intellectual then other past presidents. I like the fact he is liberal on many issues such as healthcare seeing as how I am as well. I have a muslim father but i'm not but I still think if we have to kill muslims, then we should (although I think we've done a crappy job so far). I don't think Obama would sacrifise family relations in order to have a stable world. How asinine are some of you? Mass i get idea with your statement that you'd rather bring back harder voting laws, I take it you weren't a fan of the civil rights movement. We don't need to go backwards in our country's social era, wanna bring slavery back too?

at the end of the day people will vote for who they think is right for the job. I didn't like Bush staying for 2 terms but he did, life goes on beyond all of your petty idealistic politically self serving worlds...

[michael_33]

I also want to clarify 1 thing to everyone...I'm not against this man becoming President because of his color,which would be flat out stupid!!

I don't trust this man because of his hidden agenda's and his Supposively christian religious background!I believe he is a bad MAN and we will regret the day he becomes President (if he ever does)!

Give me Colin Powell,Denzel Washington ....anybody....Not this guy!!

[nuposse87]

I also want to clarify 1 thing to everyone...I'm not against this man becoming President because of his color,which would be flat out stupid!!

I don't trust this man because of his hidden agenda's and his Supposively christian religious background!I believe he is a bad MAN and we will regret the day he becomes President (if he ever does)!

Give me Colin Powell,Denzel Washington ....anybody....Not this guy!!

so u don't like him based on some deep paranoia u have for him? Who doesn't have hidden agenda's these days? What you think the retard we had in office for the last 6 years didn't have his own ideas? ****ing damn people.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I'm convinced. Obama is the anti-christ. All the evidence points to it.

[Enter Apotheosis]

I also want to clarify 1 thing to everyone...I'm not against this man becoming President because of his color,which would be flat out stupid!!

Considering how frequently you feel compelled to say that makes one wonder, though...

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

I'm convinced. Obama is the anti-christ. All the evidence points to it.

Not to change the subject but I'm not even sure if the Bible even mentions an Anti Christ. I just found out "The Rapture" is never mentioned in the Bible, but it seems to be widely taught in Christianity and millions are made off of the subject :whoknows:

Edit is his middle name really "Hussein"?

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Not to change the subject but I'm not even sure if the Bible even mentions an Anti Christ. I just found out "The Rapture" is never mentioned in the Bible, but it seems to be widely taught in Christianity and millions are made off of the subject :whoknows:

Edit is his middle name really "Hussein"?
No idea about the Bible.

And yes his middle name is Hussein. He's Saddam's nephew, duh.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

BTW, Michael 33, PM me and I will personally send you a copy of Obama's last book. No charge. You just have to promise that you'll read it.

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

And yes his middle name is Hussein. He's Saddam's nephew, duh.

Only in America can a guy have the middle name Hussein and a name so close to Osama can a guy run for president.

For the record I have nothing against Obama but I wish Al Gore was running for president. Im really undecided right now

[909997]

he cant be worse then bush

2 towers gone

2 wars

countless american died in thee silly war

gas prices gone up

[Burgold]

Want to flip the world upside down? How about a Obama/Liebermann ticket? That would confuse everyone and really unite all the haters!

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Want to flip the world upside down? How about a Obama/Liebermann ticket? That would confuse everyone and really unite all the haters!
I think my head would explode.

[Burgold]

Nah, headexploding with be the Obama/David Duke ticket.

[ldysknzfn1]

I don't really know enough about him to say I'm uncomfortable w/him becoming President. I need read and find out more about his platforms and such. I'm not leaning toward any candidate at this point. None of them get me excited about our country's future. I hope I can eventually pick someone...b/c no vote is a vote for whoever is winning the popular vote imo.

[Corcaigh]

I'm convinced. Obama is the anti-christ. All the evidence points to it.

I don't think the evidence is so clear. But if Bush was chosen by God and you look at the mess GWB has made, I'm prepared to give the anti-Christ his turn in office.:)

[Renegade7]

This has to account for something.

It's not a secret that we're widely hated on the world scene right now. We need someone to improve our relations outside our borders (and actually unite the people in this country, too).

That's why I'm voting for Obama. Based on what I've HEARD HIM say, and SEE HIM do, I have more confidence in him uniting the nation and improving our international relations then anyone else at this point. And I don't care who ya'll vote for, just vote for somebody!!!

[SkinsOrlando]

That's why I'm voting for Obama. Based on what I've HEARD HIM say, and SEE HIM do, I have more confidence in him uniting the nation and improving our international relations then anyone else at this point. And I don't care who ya'll vote for, just vote for somebody!!!



Out of curiosity what have you seen him do other than talk? I haven't followed him closely but I find it hard to believe anyone's seen him do anything yet. He hasn't been in Congress long enough to have an established record of any kind.

[willmb5]

Socialism sucks ass people. As far as Obama goes, I don't really know much about him but i notice A LOT of kids my age supporting him, and to be honest with you, I think that a lot of support among the younger crowd has nothing to do with the policies he supports but rather because the media presents him as a young mixed-race guy who wants to "help people" (imagine that). He's the "cool" candidate to vote for. I have no idea what I'm going to do in this election. As the time gets closer, I'll start to think about it more and read into a lot more

[#98QBKiller]

Wow. The misinformation in this thread is astounding. Some of you need to unglue yourselves from the 24-hour news media networks and stop getting all of your information from 20-second soundbites. Others (Air Force Cane) need to give your heads a quick tugging and swiftly remove them from your asses so you can read.

Obama's father was an Athiest and he was raised in a secular household.

The only question raised about possible Muslim connections on Obama's part, is an allegation that he attended a Muslim elementary school in Indonesia as a child when his parents moved him there from Hawaii for a short time.

That myth can be debunked here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16813267/

Obama was not raised Muslim and he was not raised Christian. He is a Christian through his own free will.

[Corcaigh]

Obama was not raised Muslim and he was not raised Christian. He is a Christian through his own free will.

:yikes: What? You mean he's a Christian, just like GW Bush?

[Air Force Cane]

far leftist liberal who will raise taxes, socialize health care, and increase government

inexperienced politician with less than ONE term in national politics

no military service or study

comes from Muslim family- so other Muslims can say he is an apostate/heretic which is punishable by fatwa death

ZERO executive experience or responsibility in entire career

What's to worry about? :doh:

[macnoke03]

far leftist liberal who will raise taxes, socialize health care, and increase government

inexperienced politician with less than ONE term in national politics

no military service or study

comes from Muslim family- so other Muslims can say he is an apostate/heretic which is punishable by fatwa death

ZERO executive experience or responsibility in entire career

What's to worry about? :doh:


Yes, and Bush's "credentials" have done wonders for this country :doh:

[SkinsOrlando]

Yes, and Bush's "credentials" have done wonders for this country :doh:


Were talking about Obama's credentials but nice try at deflection there.

[macnoke03]

Were talking about Obama's credentials but nice try at deflection there.


Not a deflection... He wants to say that Obama's credentials are lacking for a president but the goof he supports who supposedly has the credentials is the worst President this country has seen in a long long time, if not ever.

It looks like you can't judge the effectiveness of a president or potential president based on his "credentials"

[Kilmer17]

I have absolutely no problem with his credentials.

I have lots o' problems with his ideas and platform.

[Air Force Cane]

"The only question raised about possible Muslim connections on Obama's part, is an allegation that he attended a Muslim elementary school in Indonesia as a child when his parents moved him there from Hawaii for a short time"

Who exactly is the ignorant one here?!! :laugh:

Uh, since you love Obama so much- you should probably read his OWN BOOK where he discusses that his BIRTH FATHER was Muslim, and that his mother married another Muslim for her second marriage. His father was a Muslim from Kenya (Barrack Hussein Obama) and his mom a white atheist from Kansas, Shirley Ann Dunham, who met at the University of Hawaii in Honolulu.

That is why his middle name is the same as Saddam’s: Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. His first name is taken from the Islamic term in Arabic for “blessed,” baraka, used in the Koran.

His father deserted the family when Barack Jr. was two and returned to Kenya. His mother then married another Moslem studying at UH, Lolo Soetoro from Indonesia. He moved with his mother and stepfather to Jakarta when he was six, where he attended a Moslem madrassah school.

And maybe you can do a quick google search and realize that Islam is transmitted to the children through the father.

But his only connection to Islam is his years in Islamic schools- right?

Even when you try and call people out by name- you still get it wrong. Embarrassing..

[#98QBKiller]

Were talking about Obama's credentials but nice try at deflection there.



You're right that Obama has spent little time in Washington for a Presidential candidate but for those who say that he has done nothing in his time there, that is simply not true.

-He has passed legislation in IL that requires police interrogations to be taped (eliminating suspects from being coerced into confessions of crimes they did not commit)

-He (along with Republican Senator Tom Coburn) introduced the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act (signed into law by President Bush on 09/26/06) which is a step in right the direction toward responsible government spending.

-He is the sponsor of the Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act (currently in the Senate, sitting with the Committee on Armed Services) which will provide more mental healthcare workers for U.S. veterans, require more thorough and more routine inspections of military hospitals and help restore the military disability review process among other things.

-He's voted on too many things to list, but most importantly he voted against going to war with Iraq.



Also, I think that the fact that he hasn't had time to be tainted by Washington politics is a good thing, we need a fresh perspective in the White House and Obama is just what the doctor ordered.

[skinsfan51]

Yes, I'd be concerned if Obama became President. I'd be more concerend if Hillay got a second shot at office (;-)), though. God help us!

Go Mike Huckabee! (Bad name for a Pres., but "Grover" wasn't the best either. Great man, though.)

[#98QBKiller]

"The only question raised about possible Muslim connections on Obama's part, is an allegation that he attended a Muslim elementary school in Indonesia as a child when his parents moved him there from Hawaii for a short time"

Who exactly is the ignorant one here?!! :laugh:

Uh, since you love Obama so much- you should probably read his OWN BOOK where he discusses that his BIRTH FATHER was Muslim, and that his mother married another Muslim for her second marriage. His father was a Muslim from Kenya (Barrack Hussein Obama) and his mom a white atheist from Kansas, Shirley Ann Dunham, who met at the University of Hawaii in Honolulu.

That is why his middle name is the same as Saddam’s: Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. His first name is taken from the Islamic term in Arabic for “blessed,” baraka, used in the Koran.

His father deserted the family when Barack Jr. was two and returned to Kenya. His mother then married another Moslem studying at UH, Lolo Soetoro from Indonesia. He moved with his mother and stepfather to Jakarta when he was six, where he attended a Moslem madrassah school.

And maybe you can do a quick google search and realize that Islam is transmitted to the children through the father.

But his only connection to Islam is his years in Islamic schools- right?

Even when you try and call people out by name- you still get it wrong. Embarrassing..



Wrong.

Obama has said in several speeches that his father was an Atheist and that his mother was a spiritual person with doubts, but if you don't believe me you may want to start here to get a better understanding of his stance on religion:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/faith/


Obama practices Christianity, whether you choose to accept it or not. Also, Islam isn't even the dominant religion in Kenya, Protestants and Roman Catholics (45% & 33% of the country respectively) are much more prevelant.

[Baculus]

I hate it, but you are absolutely right.

Get ready to wait 6 months for important procedures.

And get ready for a secondary market of non-insurance doctors/health care for the rich.

That issue already exists.

And here is the issue with the debate of socialized health care: Problems that some feel will exist if we have socialized health care in the US are already present in the our health care industry.

There is already a health care system for have's and have not's. There are already waiting periods for treatments, if you can even receive the treatments for financial reasons. In some areas, the health care system is over-burdened, have long waiting lines or lists for treatments, do not have enough nurses and doctors, or the health care clinic isn't well-enough funded or has other systemic issues. And some people already pay heft monthly fees for either a policy they rarely use, or for a policy that does not pay for what they need.

I am not sure what is the alternative to our current health care system, and I haven't been a fan of socialized medicine, but let's not behave as if the current system is working well. It isn't for a lot of American citizens, and we have to be open for different ideas to fix this issue.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

He's not a Muslim. Why does this thread have 11 pages worth of posts?

[pez]

He's not a Muslim. Why does this thread have 11 pages worth of posts?

I agree... I don't believe in the idea of a religion being transmitted like a std.

Religion is a personal choice for every man or woman. Period.

The man has put his faith into a christian church... that is all I need to know about that.

[nuposse87]

"The only question raised about possible Muslim connections on Obama's part, is an allegation that he attended a Muslim elementary school in Indonesia as a child when his parents moved him there from Hawaii for a short time"

Who exactly is the ignorant one here?!! :laugh:

Uh, since you love Obama so much- you should probably read his OWN BOOK where he discusses that his BIRTH FATHER was Muslim, and that his mother married another Muslim for her second marriage. His father was a Muslim from Kenya (Barrack Hussein Obama) and his mom a white atheist from Kansas, Shirley Ann Dunham, who met at the University of Hawaii in Honolulu.

That is why his middle name is the same as Saddam’s: Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. His first name is taken from the Islamic term in Arabic for “blessed,” baraka, used in the Koran.

His father deserted the family when Barack Jr. was two and returned to Kenya. His mother then married another Moslem studying at UH, Lolo Soetoro from Indonesia. He moved with his mother and stepfather to Jakarta when he was six, where he attended a Moslem madrassah school.

And maybe you can do a quick google search and realize that Islam is transmitted to the children through the father.

But his only connection to Islam is his years in Islamic schools- right?

Even when you try and call people out by name- you still get it wrong. Embarrassing..

that is true, I used to be muslim when i believed in religion but Islam doesn't enslave the ones born into them in order to believe it. What he was born into in his past doesn't make him any worse a person then you. Personally I don't really care that he has a connection with Islam, oh and what significant military experience did Bush have? he sure knows how to run effective wars...

[Hooper]

Really don't know who I'm going to vote for. I will say what I like about Obama is that he comes off as a very rational and objective guy -- he seems like he would do the best job of bringing both "sides" together a little more. As far as his religion goes, well he doesn't seem like a particularly religious person at all which is fine by me. It's not what you to preach, it's what you do, and there are plenty of so-called Christians in politics who are acting like anything but.

[pez]

Really don't know who I'm going to vote for. I will say what I like about Obama is that he comes off as a very rational and objective guy -- he seems like he would do the best job of bringing both "sides" together a little more. As far as his religion goes, well he doesn't seem like a particularly religious person at all which is fine by me. It's not what you to preach, it's what you do, and there are plenty of so-called Christians in politics who are acting like anything but.


Hmmm rational and objective..... guess he will never get elected.. :doh: :laugh:

[Weganator]

You all are way off on Barack. He would absolutely make a great president. He DOES have experience and more importantly he has REAL WORLD experience. Plus he was dead on about the Iraq War, way more then any other candidate on both sides. Don't listen to all the bull**** about him. That's just some kool-aid drinking Sean Hannity ****. Read his book. Educate yourselves about him. Him and Guiliani are 1-2 in my opinion. He's got my vote.

EDIT: Oh and **** Hillary Clinton and John McCain. They are both full of ****.

Obama and Guiliani?? wow... -127 cool points for you.... I would rather i didnt have to sign a permission slip with the government to be able to wipe my own a**... so i m all for Ron Paul...

[thedoc4454]

I believe that Obama had the most liberal voting record in the senate for the last few years. What else do you need to know? Also there is no damn way this country ever elects anyone with the middle name of Hussain.:2cents:

[Zuck]

Yes, I am VERY uncomfortable with Barak Obama. I'm uncomfortable with him because he's a LIBERAL, and therefore someone who holds no common morals or values with me.


Common morals and values??

Didn't you say you don't care what happens to the planet when your dead since the only person you care about is yourself?


I'd be curious to know what you consider morals?

[Inigo Montoya]

wasnt it only recently that Obama decided to announce thats hes Christian? (this is a real question not sarcasm, so I dont need smart***** remarks)


You want someone who is for real? How about this guy: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

-less government
-lower taxes
-no war, b/c being the police of the world sucks and doesnt work

I voted for Bush twice and we are spending more now than when freakin' Clinton was in office. The only good thing he's done is the partial-birth abortion ban.

[Siven]

Being uncomfortable with Obama because he's Muslim?

We aren't fighting Muslims in our War on Terror

We ARE fighting Terrorists. Many of whom happen to be Muslim.

If we were fighting conservative Christians in the middle east. Would you be uncomfortable with Bush being the president?

I bet you don't even know anyone Muslim.

[michael_33]

he cant be worse then bush

2 towers gone

2 wars

countless american died in thee silly war

gas prices gone up


Wanna bet!!
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"He also forced everyone,small and great,rich and poor,free and slave,to recieve a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark,which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.Let him calculate the number of the beast,for it is a man's number and the number is 666."Rev13:11-18

This "Antichrist" will call for a 7 year peace treaty with Isreal.31/2 years into the treaty,the antichrist will break the treaty by having russia attack Isreal from the North...When they are pushed back to Siberia then shall the Kings of the East (plural)will atack from the East...(China,N.Korea and others)and then shall the greatest war of all time be presented...The war is known as "Armageddon" The bloodiest war mankind has ever seen!!

Only then will christ come down and wipe all the evil armies off the face of the earth and set up his kingdom for 1000 years..."They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks!"

But not until 2/3rds of mankind has died...1/3 die of war and the other 1/3 die of Pesctilences and disease!(2/3rds total)

There are 6 billion people on earth right now...4 Billion will be dead because of the antichrist!

Don't tell me nobody can be worst than Bush!

[Siven]

I voted for Bush twice and we are spending more now than when freakin' Clinton was in office. The only good thing he's done is the partial-birth abortion ban.


We might have spent a lot of Clinton, but at least we attempted to lessen the deficit.

I don't think anyone here realizes, how incrediably stupid it is that we, the greatest country in the world, is in DEBT to a bunch of ****ing BANKS.

[Zuck]

Wanna bet!!
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This "Antichrist" will call for a 7 year peace treaty with Isreal.31/2 years into the treaty,the antichrist will break the treaty by having russia attack Isreal from the North...When they are pushed back to Siberia then shall the Kings of the East (plural)will atack from the East...(China,N.Korea and others)and then shall the greatest war of all time be presented...The war is known as "Armageddon" The bloodiest war mankind has ever seen!!

Only then will christ come down and wipe all the evil armies off the face of the earth and set up his kingdom for 1000 years..."They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks!"

But not until 2/3rds of mankind has died...1/3 die of war and the other 1/3 die of Pesctilences and disease!(2/3rds total)

There are 6 billion people on earth right now...4 Billion will be dead because of the antichrist!

Don't tell me nobody can be worst than Bush!



Oh brother. :doh:

I used to be 5 one time as well.

[Baculus]

One note regarding experience: It isn't as if George W. Bush has a great deal of experience when he became President. He was governor for a little more than one term (winning re-electon in 1998 after winning his first term in 1994), and his business ventures were not exactly greatly successful. Also, many have questioned his military service, of which he didn't have a very distinguished career. So, compared to the current and past Presidents, Obama probably has as much experience as necessary for the Presidency.

[Thanos]

Funny how the word "liberal" has been coopted by th the so-called poor conservatives who are being royally screwed by the Rockerfeller Republicans of Kst.

Waving the flag will not bring back the thousands of soldiers killed and tens of thouands wounded.

At this rate the GOP will go the way of the WHIG party if this war continues to drag on with excuse after excuse .

Yet Obama is seen as a threat.:doh:

[nuposse87]

Wanna bet!!
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This "Antichrist" will call for a 7 year peace treaty with Isreal.31/2 years into the treaty,the antichrist will break the treaty by having russia attack Isreal from the North...When they are pushed back to Siberia then shall the Kings of the East (plural)will atack from the East...(China,N.Korea and others)and then shall the greatest war of all time be presented...The war is known as "Armageddon" The bloodiest war mankind has ever seen!!

Only then will christ come down and wipe all the evil armies off the face of the earth and set up his kingdom for 1000 years..."They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks!"



But not until 2/3rds of mankind has died...1/3 die of war and the other 1/3 die of Pesctilences and disease!(2/3rds total)

There are 6 billion people on earth right now...4 Billion will be dead because of the antichrist!

Don't tell me nobody can be worst than Bush!

...wow

[Weganator]

I have not friggin idea what i m talkin about!! :cool:

I edited your post for you....

Trading one useless war for another (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/printedition/chi-0409250111sep25,1,4555304.story)

Stalin and Hitler also tried to get rid of guns (http://www.ontheissues.org/Gun_Control.htm)

Its not like Canadians are coming down here for medical treatment because universal healthcare is so great (http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jan/25/obama_the_time_has_come_for_universal_health_care_ in_america)

Ron Paul '08... No war unless self defense... Follow the constitution.... No more welfare state...

[Thanos]

I edited your post for you....

Trading one useless war for another (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/printedition/chi-0409250111sep25,1,4555304.story)

Stalin and Hitler also tried to get rid of guns (http://www.ontheissues.org/Gun_Control.htm)

Its not like Canadians are coming down here for medical treatment because universal healthcare is so great (http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jan/25/obama_the_time_has_come_for_universal_health_care_ in_america)

Ron Paul '08... No war unless self defense... Follow the constitution.... No more welfare state...

Do me a favor.Never manipulate words and ascribe me to them.

Ron Paul is an internet wack-job who'll be out of the race by Halloween.

BTW I rather launch missiles than insert troops.

[Inigo Montoya]

Do me a favor.Never manipulate words and ascribe me to them.

Ron Paul is an internet wack-job who'll be out of the race by Halloween.

BTW I rather launch missiles than insert troops.


Not to hi-jack this thread but... an internet whack-job... explain how so?

[Weganator]

Do me a favor.Never manipulate words and ascribe me to them.

Ron Paul is an internet wack-job who'll be out of the race by Halloween.

BTW I rather launch missiles than insert troops.

just messin w/ you i have read stuff with you in there and knew you would have a sense of humor about stuff like that... but idk... I m not necessarily an anti war person.. i just dont like how Iraq was such a bad call when everyone was voting on it... and now they want to turn and go into Iran because their preemptive strike on a middle eastern nation will somehow be more just than the one bush did.

Also if we just leave Iran alone Israel will turn them into a parking lot if they ever become a threat like they did to Iraq back in '81

[#98QBKiller]

Funny how the word "liberal" has been coopted by th the so-called poor conservatives who are being royally screwed by the Rockerfeller Republicans of Kst.



Funny too that they keep calling Obama a liberal when he isn't. I automatically disqualify someone's political opinion when they assume that the words "Democrat" and "liberal" are synonymous, and the same goes for the words "Republican" and "conservative."

[Corcaigh]

Wanna bet!!
------------

This "Antichrist" will call for a 7 year peace treaty with Isreal.31/2 years into the treaty,the antichrist will break the treaty by having russia attack Isreal from the North...When they are pushed back to Siberia then shall the Kings of the East (plural)will atack from the East...(China,N.Korea and others)and then shall the greatest war of all time be presented...The war is known as "Armageddon" The bloodiest war mankind has ever seen!!

Only then will christ come down and wipe all the evil armies off the face of the earth and set up his kingdom for 1000 years..."They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks!"

But not until 2/3rds of mankind has died...1/3 die of war and the other 1/3 die of Pesctilences and disease!(2/3rds total)

There are 6 billion people on earth right now...4 Billion will be dead because of the antichrist!

Don't tell me nobody can be worst than Bush!

I recommend that you see a mental healthcare professional at the earliest opportunity.

[cjcdaman]

Wanna bet!!
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Don't tell me nobody can be worst than Bush!


:laugh: Well, we have all kinds of loony Libs on this board. Now, he have a right-wing nutjob.

[edgun88]

Who said he is going to be the next president?

Personally I dont believe that America is ready for an African-American president. Nor a Spanish president, for that matter. Just my :2cents:

[ArmchairRedskin]

It's all about the Obama Girls vs. the Giuliani Girls


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekSxxlj6rGE

[honeydont]

First and foremost our leader should stay a deeply devought Christian!!!! I have read the Bio on Obama and his spiritual connection is to the violent Muslim faith. Never ever must we let a Muslim fanatic walk in the White House. He kind of reminds me of the Anti Christ profile. (666) This is a Christian Country. :)

[cjcdaman]

First and foremost our leader should stay a deeply devought Christian!!!! I have read the Bio on Obama and his spiritual connection is to the violent Muslim faith. Never ever must we let a Muslim fanatic walk in the White House. He kind of reminds me of the Anti Christ profile. (666) This is a Christian Country. :)


:munchout:

[praise_gibbs]

Christian Country? WHy?

[StillUnknown]

One note regarding experience: It isn't as if George W. Bush has a great deal of experience when he became President. He was governor for a little more than one term (winning re-electon in 1998 after winning his first term in 1994), and his business ventures were not exactly greatly successful. Also, many have questioned his military service, of which he didn't have a very distinguished career. So, compared to the current and past Presidents, Obama probably has as much experience as necessary for the Presidency.

its not a good idea to use Dubya as a reference point as to why Obama doesn't need much experience to be president. :laugh:

[#98QBKiller]

its not a good idea to use Dubya as a reference point as to why Obama doesn't need much experience to be president. :laugh:



Hey you! What are you doing posting out of the MMA thread? Get back there now...;)

[Mooka]

Have you seen this?
-------------------- :laugh:

I'm sure there's a reason why you didn't provide a link and it doesn't say who wrote that. Chain-email?

btw...

Even genetically, Obama; whose East African descent is apparent by his above-Black-median intelligence, generally non-aggressive, nonviolent personality, :wtf:

[grhqofb5]

First and foremost our leader should stay a deeply devought Christian!!!! I have read the Bio on Obama and his spiritual connection is to the violent Muslim faith. Never ever must we let a Muslim fanatic walk in the White House. He kind of reminds me of the Anti Christ profile. (666) This is a Christian Country. :)

It's this type of **** that makes honest, sincere, intelligent christians look like damn fools. It makes our beliefs look like a damn joke out of a comic book or something.

[Hooper]

First and foremost our leader should stay a deeply devought Christian!!!! I have read the Bio on Obama and his spiritual connection is to the violent Muslim faith. Never ever must we let a Muslim fanatic walk in the White House. He kind of reminds me of the Anti Christ profile. (666) This is a Christian Country. :)

:doh:

[ACW]

:munchout: Anyone in this seat here? :munchout:

[Enter Apotheosis]

First and foremost our leader should stay a deeply devought Christian!!!! I have read the Bio on Obama and his spiritual connection is to the violent Muslim faith. Never ever must we let a Muslim fanatic walk in the White House. He kind of reminds me of the Anti Christ profile. (666) This is a Christian Country. :)

You should be shot...











I'm thinking with an elephant tranquilizer on election day.

[nuposse87]

First and foremost our leader should stay a deeply devought Christian!!!! I have read the Bio on Obama and his spiritual connection is to the violent Muslim faith. Never ever must we let a Muslim fanatic walk in the White House. He kind of reminds me of the Anti Christ profile. (666) This is a Christian Country. :)

your 43 and your talking like an ignorant child. I bet you spread this same bull**** to your kids and loved ones. You are right in that we shouldn't let a muslim fanatic take the white house, but first off he isn't muslim, nor is he a fanatic. This is a christian country, i know many good christians, you sir with such ignorant and racist remarks lose all creditability as a good christian. You are beyond pathetic.

[dfitzo53]

I agree that religion should be disregarded from politics, but as long as people have an agenda it will never be.
It's perfectly reasonable, and I would argue necessary, to consider religion in politics. For many candidates, religion greatly informs political beliefs.

Now, if one's analysis of Sen. Obama's spirituality goes no deeper than, "He's a Muslim," that's ignorant. It's perfectly reasonable to say, however, that you won't vote for someone who believes the world is ending in the next five years.

It's an embarrassingly cheap ploy, on the other hand, to paint Obama as a Muslim when he isn't.



Barack=Iraq.......Hussein=Saddam.......Obama=(Osam a Bin Laden)

And we want this guy to be the President of the United States of America?
And you expect us to take you seriously?

[Spaceman Spiff]

This threads hilarious. I don't even know why people are taking it seriously anymore.

[bird_1972]

Wanna bet!!
------------


This "Antichrist" will call for a 7 year peace treaty with Isreal.31/2 years into the treaty,the antichrist will break the treaty by having russia attack Isreal from the North...When they are pushed back to Siberia then shall the Kings of the East (plural)will atack from the East...(China,N.Korea and others)and then shall the greatest war of all time be presented...The war is known as "Armageddon" The bloodiest war mankind has ever seen!!

Only then will christ come down and wipe all the evil armies off the face of the earth and set up his kingdom for 1000 years..."They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks!"

But not until 2/3rds of mankind has died...1/3 die of war and the other 1/3 die of Pesctilences and disease!(2/3rds total)

There are 6 billion people on earth right now...4 Billion will be dead because of the antichrist!

Don't tell me nobody can be worst than Bush!

Are you nuts, or just stupid?

[Dan T.]

You should be shot...






I'm thinking with an elephant tranquilizer on election day.

This made me laugh. I reduced the spacing, which was perfect in the original. . .

[ironmic]

And what religion is is Bush?...................Seriously i can say i am a christian and defy the bible(Bush)....Ooh and to join the Skull and Bones you have to denounce Christ and take a vow of absolute power...Do your research...So do i think this thread started out of ignorance and a scoop of bigotry...YES...............

[Predicto]

Wow, some appalling ignorance in this thread.

[ironmic]

Wow, some appalling ignorance in this thread.
It's scary huh? :doh:

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Funny how the word "liberal" has been coopted by the so-called poor conservatives who are being royally screwed by the Rockerfeller Republicans of Kst.

That's solely because too many of the so-called Conservatives are no more Conservative than I am Jewish. Yes, the Conservatives are being screwed by the Republicans, but only because most Conservatives refuse to accept that the Republicans no longer have any more interest in Conservatism than Josef Stalin did or his philosophiscal daughter Hillary Rodham Clinton does.


Waving the flag will not bring back the thousands of soldiers killed and tens of thouands wounded.

No, but burning it only helps our enemies, not our troops (healthy, dead, or wounded).


At this rate the GOP will go the way of the WHIG party if this war continues to drag on with excuse after excuse.

Actually what's going to kill the GOP is their absolute retreat from any sort of real Conservative values and acceptance of a watered-down version of the Liberal Socialism that the Democrat Party has been preaching for 50 years.


Yet Obama is seen as a threat.:doh:

Obama is a threat because, any of the Republicans would be amateurs at Liberal Socialism... Obama is a professional in that field.