Tennessee Bill Would Require Death Certificates for Aborted Fetuses

[portisizzle]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,252113,00.html

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Legislation introduced in Tennessee would require death certificates for aborted fetuses, which likely would create public records identifying women who have abortions.

Rep. Stacey Campfield, a Republican, said his bill would provide a way to track how many abortions are performed. He predicted it would pass in the Republican-controlled Senate but would have a hard time making it through the Democratic House.

"All these people who say they are pro-life — at least we would see how many lives are being ended out there by abortions," said Campfield.

[Fergasun]

So... basically we haven't been keeping track of how many people have had abortions nation-wide? I can see this type of bill passing in the South, and if it creates better records and better stats, good.

I guess the argument against this is... it would make people go outside of the state, back-alley abortions, and it would discourage abortions?

[zoony]

This is just posturing... Bredesen won't sign it.

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[rincewind]

Why haven't we been keeping track of those types of numbers in the past?

[Buford]

I am alittle surprised that the state didn't keep better records in the past. Even if they were HIPAA compliant.

This isn't going to stop anybody from making their own choices. All it means is that they might change where they choose to go if they choose to do it.

[chomerics]

Why haven't we been keeping track of those types of numbers in the past?

They have, these people just want to outlaw abortion because of religion. it is a wedge issue to focus on because republicans have no platform anymore. . .well, unless you consider big government and Iraq a platform :rolleyes:

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

It's a good idea, but it most likely will be shot down.

[chomerics]

I am alittle surprised that the state didn't keep better records in the past. Even if they were HIPAA compliant.

They do. . .from the article.



The number of abortions reported to the state Office of Vital Records is already publicly available. The office collects records, but not death certificates, on abortions and the deaths of fetuses after 22 weeks gestation or weighing about 1 pound.

[zoony]

They have, these people just want to outlaw abortion because of religion. it is a wedge issue to focus on because republicans have no platform anymore. . .well, unless you consider big government and Iraq a platform :rolleyes:



:laugh: What's the dem's platform?

Bush is bad? We are against the Iraq war, even though we voted for it? Higher taxes?



But any chance to take a shot. I'll expect one of your multi-quote replies now with links to stupid websites that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And I'll expect a few :rolleyes: smileys, and the accusation that I'm the one who's close minded :laugh:


So let's have it :munchout:


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[Buford]

Lets see.

They did a few things in those 1st few weeks.

Passed the 9/11 Security Bill, Min wage, Stem Cells, Precription Drug Costs, Student Loans and the Energy Policy Rollback.

So, there you have it.

next?

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

:laugh: What's the dem's platform?

Bush is bad? We are against the Iraq war, even though we voted for it? Higher taxes?



But any chance to take a shot. I'll expect one of your multi-quote replies now with links to stupid websites that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And I'll expect a few :rolleyes: smileys, and the accusation that I'm the one who's close minded :laugh:


So let's have it :munchout:


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Is that you Sean Hannity?

[zoony]

So, there you have it.

next?



Good job with the sarcasm, but I prefer a few :rolleyes: 's smileys, links to hack-job websites, and accusations that I'm close minded.



Is that you Sean Hannity?


That's the spirit! :applause:

[Buford]

So, are you saying those things didn't pass?

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

That's the spirit! :applause:
I try.

[headexplode]

If they already collect records on abortions, then there is no reason to create death certificates other than to make a political statement about the morality of abortion.

[zoony]

So, are you saying those things didn't pass?



So what's next, are you going to go thru all of the legislation that the Republicans passed to refute Chomerics' claim that their only platform is the Iraq War and Big Government?


Becuase my response was purposely absurd in response to his... to point out how dumb his statement was.


Of course, for you to do that would require you to see past your partisan way of thinking, so I'm not holding out hope.



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[Larry]

If they already collect records on abortions, then there is no reason to create death certificates other than to make a political statement about the morality of abortion.

Oh, no.

You forgot the "legislation as a fundraiser" factor.

And the "If it passes, then every person who's just made what is likely the toughest decision of her life will get some official, government-mandated verbal abuse and humiliation" factor.

[zoony]

Oh, no.

You forgot the "legislation as a fundraiser" factor.



Exactly... this piece of legislation is nothing more than grandstanding by some no-name politicians in the legislature.

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[Buford]

Oh, gotcha. I just told you what you thought nobody could list, so now its change the topic time.


You tell me what the Republican Platform is. how about that?

I gave you 6 direct examples of bills that were targeted and passed right away. So, can I expect the same or some more whining?


If you want to smack him down like you got smacked down. Then go for it. But come strong.

[zoony]

Oh, gotcha. I just told you what you thought nobody could list, so now its change the topic time.


You tell me what the Republican Platform is. how about that?

I gave you 6 direct examples of bills that were targeted and passed right away. So, can I expect the same or some more whining?


If you want to smack him down like you got smacked down. Then go for it. But come strong.




Bufford... for starters, why don't you go back and take my post in context. I'll repeat... and this time I'll type slowly, so you can understand.

"My response was purposely absurd in response to his... to point out how dumb his statement was"


But you ran with it. And you continue to run with it, even after I've pointed out twice in plain English what you did not have the capacity to detect on your own.

But don't worry, you don't look stupid.


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[Buford]

uh huh.

Calling him out, and it was so private that you did it on a message board.

[rictus58]

Zoony is just backtracking now. Reading your post in context, Buffords comment makes perfect sense.

"My response was purposely absurd in response to his... to point out how dumb his statement was"

Except you didn't intend to be absurd. That's just a by-product of your "quick-defense" strategy to protect the Republican party and deflect attention.
I'm a conservative and even I know you are wrong.
Zoony, what is the Republican platform?

[The Burgundy Rhino]

Lets see.

They did a few things in those 1st few weeks.

Passed the 9/11 Security Bill, Min wage, Stem Cells, Precription Drug Costs, Student Loans and the Energy Policy Rollback.

So, there you have it.

next?


Dude, you should have left him a few teeth to eat with. You kicked them in pretty hard there.

[Hart Turner]

Dude, you should have left him a few teeth to eat with. You kicked them in pretty hard there.

HAHA!

Word.

[Redskins Diehard]

Lets see.

They did a few things in those 1st few weeks.

Passed the 9/11 Security Bill, Min wage, Stem Cells, Precription Drug Costs, Student Loans and the Energy Policy Rollback.

So, there you have it.

next?

When does the higher minimum wage take effect?

[Buford]

Over the next two years as part of a package with small business tax CUTS.

Now they put the versions from the House and Senate together, and keep on being productive.

[Redskins Diehard]

Over the next two years as part of a package with small business tax CUTS.

Now they put the versions from the House and Senate together, and keep on being productive.

Last I heard it was stalled. Do you have any source that tells how they are putting the versions together and keep on being productive?

[Buford]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/12/AR2007021201348.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/12/AR2007021201170.html

Two Days ago

They are working with everybody there to iron it all out. Amazing what can happen. You give alitte, you get alittle.

[rictus58]

Just a few days ago the Chamber of Commerce backed the Minimum Wage bill that is being proposed.

[The Burgundy Rhino]

Just a few days ago the Chamber of Commerce backed the Minimum Wage bill that is being proposed.

I thought I heard that also.

I can't put my finger on it. Problem something on WTOP while driving to work the past few days-weeks.

[headexplode]

Oh, no.

You forgot the "legislation as a fundraiser" factor.

And the "If it passes, then every person who's just made what is likely the toughest decision of her life will get some official, government-mandated verbal abuse and humiliation" factor.

It's very similar to the handful of states who voted on amending their constitutions to ban gay marriage.

[Destino]

If you are wondering what this bill does read the first part of the article again.



Legislation introduced in Tennessee would require death certificates for aborted fetuses, which likely would create public records identifying women who have abortions.


BTW - would this bill require death certificates for all miscarriages too? What about the morning after pill, would taking one require you to fill out a death certificate?

[Mass_SkinsFan]

If they already collect records on abortions, then there is no reason to create death certificates other than to make a political statement about the morality of abortion.

Yes there is, though you are correct that it's a political thing. I would guess that the state collects numbers on how many and the general information on who is having them, not the specifics. This would allow people (ie.. potential employers) to do a public records search for death certificates related to a specific person, and potentially use it as a black mark against people.

[CandaceM23]

I am 100% against any personal information being shared like this ....
Not cool at all.

[Redskins Diehard]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/12/AR2007021201348.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/12/AR2007021201170.html

Two Days ago

They are working with everybody there to iron it all out. Amazing what can happen. You give alitte, you get alittle.

So am I right in saying that it hasn't passed yet?

[rictus58]

So am I right in saying that it hasn't passed yet?

No it hasn't. But it hasn't even 3 months since the new congress met for the first time.

But that wasn't your original question. Your original question is

Last I heard it was stalled. Do you have any source that tells how they are putting the versions together and keep on being productive?

So yes. They are being productive and working to push it through.

[Buford]

I stand corrected.

The individual houses passed their versions, and they are now working on combining the two. I should have been more clear when explaining the level of production going on. Its just when you compare to the past few years of one-party rule. Anything looks productive.

[Larry]

BTW - would this bill require death certificates for all miscarriages too? What about the morning after pill, would taking one require you to fill out a death certificate?

Those are being held in reserve, for use as fundraising tools for future elections.

[Redskins Diehard]

No it hasn't. But it hasn't even 3 months since the new congress met for the first time.

But that wasn't your original question. Your original question is


So yes. They are being productive and working to push it through.

The orginal statement was something along the lines of "they got a lot done in the first couple of weeks. this, that, and the other thing WERE PASSED". Well it appears that at least "that" wasn't passed. My original question was "when do the changes take effect"

"Passed" and "being productive and working to push it through" are different in my opinion. How many of the other issues that have "passed" are actually in the "being productive and working to push it through" stage?

Wonder if the Rhino will give Zoony back at least one of his teeth.

[rictus58]

Rd,
I read it differently. I read it as "Passed the 9/11 Security Bill." The other things were items they have recently worked on and addressed. Not necessarily passed.
Bufford, you need to work on your Grammar.

[Buford]

You're right. I apologize.

They were passed on different levels and I should have been more clear.

Funny thing is that I still listed 6 items, to what? zero?

[Redskins Diehard]

You're right. I apologize.

They were passed on different levels and I should have been more clear.

Funny thing is that I still listed 6 items, to what? zero?

From a quick look at the net it seems that "Energy Policy Rollback" and "Prescription Drug Prices" fall more into the "working on it" than "passed it" category.


And my point here is not to bust your chops over it. Just that many times the big announcement is made that "blank was passed" when in reality it is no closer to changing the way things were. And no, I don't fault democrats for this...it is a politician issue.

Zoony may be able to eat again afterall!

[Buford]

He asked what they were for. I know these were easy targets for the Dems to get moving on. that's why they picked them. But, in one way or another, they passed.


http://www.nytimes.com/ref/washington/100HOURS_GRAPHIC.html

What of those do you dispute?

[Redskins Diehard]

He asked what they were for. I know these were easy targets for the Dems to get moving on. that's why they picked them. But, in one way or another, they passed.


http://www.nytimes.com/ref/washington/100HOURS_GRAPHIC.html

What of those do you dispute?

It seems that the "Democrats" have not passed any of them. I guess we have to define "Passed". But I view "Passed" as on the Presidents desk waiting for a signature(and accompanying "Signing Statement") or Veto at which point is out of their control. It looks like none of them are at that point yet.(I think it is not an uncommon practice for one house to pass legislation with the knowledge that there is no way it would become law because the other side would not)

[Buford]

Well, then that's were this debate ends I guess.

I consider it being passed amongst those who voted. If the President delays or vetos the passed bill. Then it doesn't become law, and that's a different story. They never made promises about making the President sign anything.

[Redskins Diehard]

Well, then that's were this debate ends I guess.

I consider it being passed amongst those who voted. If the President delays or vetos the passed bill. Then it doesn't become law, and that's a different story. They never made promises about making the President sign anything.

I think we agree, for the most part at least, on what you are saying here. If the Congress, both Houses, pass a piece of legislation(the same piece) then they have done all they can do. But, and correct me if I am wrong, the Democratic controlled congress has not passed any of this legislation in both Houses and is simply waiting on Presidential action.

[chomerics]

:laugh: What's the dem's platform?

Paygo
Increase Minimum Wage
Low Interest Loans to Students
Fix Senior Drug Plan
Stem Cells
Energy Research

for starters. . .

edit: :laugh: I see you already got your teeth kicked out in this thread Zoony, par for the course for you and your party :laugh:

[Redskins Diehard]

Paygo
Increase Minimum Wage
Low Interest Loans to Students
Fix Senior Drug Plan
Stem Cells
Energy Research

for starters. . .

edit: :laugh: I see you already got your teeth kicked out in this thread Zoony, par for the course for you and your party :laugh:

None of which has been passed yet.

A lot of talk and hot air...no results... par for your course

[chomerics]

None of which has been passed yet.

A lot of talk and hot air...no results... par for your course

Through the House, and the republicans are trying to kill it in the Senate through a back handed filibuster type maneuver. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SicFn8rqPPE

[Redskins Diehard]

Through the House, and the republicans are trying to kill it in the Senate through a back handed filibuster type maneuver. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SicFn8rqPPE

Yeah, nobody else has ever threatened a filibuster type manuever have they Chom?

And when you say "it" which "it" are you talking about?

Now give Zoony his teeth back...or I guess they weren't actually ever "kicked out"

[chomerics]

Yeah, nobody else has ever threatened a filibuster type manuever have they Chom?

And when you say "it" which "it" are you talking about?


I take it you didn't watch the clip :laugh: Because it would tell you where the bill is right now.

[Redskins Diehard]

I take it you didn't watch the clip :laugh: Because it would tell you where the bill is right now.

It does? Does it say it is passed in both houses and waiting on the President? You do know that that video is at least 2 weeks old right?

Bottom line is nobody(including you) has provided ONE single source that says the bill is passed. Why can't you admit it?:laugh: :doh: :rolleyes: (I assume that is the language you really speak)

I guess you'll be eating dinner through a straw

[chomerics]

It does? Does it say it is passed in both houses and waiting on the President? You do know that that video is at least 2 weeks old right?

Bottom line is nobody(including you) has provided ONE single source that says the bill is passed. Why can't you admit it?:laugh: :doh: :rolleyes: (I assume that is the language you really speak)

I guess you'll be eating dinner through a straw


Who said the bill has passed? I showed you what is taking so long, and instead of admitting the republicans are stalling things you want to say the democrats are doing nothing. Now go off in your "non republican" views and believe what you want.

Just so we have this straight. . .the republicans stalling is proof that the democrats have no platform. . . gotcha :doh:

Oh yea, and you are not a republican :doh:

[Redskins Diehard]

Who said the bill has passed? I showed you what is taking so long, and instead of admitting the republicans are stalling things you want to say the democrats are doing nothing. Now go off in your "non republican" views and believe what you want.

Just so we have this straight. . .the republicans stalling is proof that the democrats have no platform. . . gotcha :doh:

Oh yea, and you are not a republican :doh:

A statement was made that the bill was passed. The man that made the statement admitted he was incorrect in saying that or how he worded. The republicans stalling is proof that the democrats have not passed anything. Answer this question:

Have any of those bills that Bufford mentioned actually passed?

[Redskins Diehard]

A statement was made that the bill was passed. The man that made the statement admitted he was incorrect in saying that or how he worded. The republicans stalling is proof that the democrats have not passed anything. Answer this question:

Have any of those bills that Bufford mentioned actually passed?

What are the odds that Guy "I can't make a post without a" Smiley answers this question?

[Larry]

What are the odds that Guy "I can't make a post without a" Smiley answers this question?

Why, whoever are you referring to? :halo:

[Buford]

I admitted I needed to be more clear, not that I didn't think they hadn't passed.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/01/19/house_democrats_pass_6_bill_agenda_in_first_100_ho urs/


House Democrats pass 6-bill agenda in first 100 hours
By Kasie Hunt, Associated Press | January 19, 2007

WASHINGTON -- House Democrats crossed the finish line yesterday in their race to pass a six-bill agenda in the first 100 hours of the new Congress -- getting there 13 hours ahead of schedule.

From noon, Jan. 4, when the 110th Congress opened, the House had been in session 87 hours when, shortly after 6 p.m. yesterday, it passed the last of the "Six for '06" bills that Democrats promised to deliver within 100 hours of assuming power.

"We have delivered on our promise," Speaker Nancy Pelosi said at a press conference prematurely hailing her party's accomplishment more than two hours before the actual final vote on an energy bill capping the agenda.

Pelosi's "game" clock showed only 42 hours and 15 minutes of the 100 hours had elapsed when the roll call ended on the energy bill, which would reimpose $15 billion in fees, royalties, and taxes on the oil industry.

Pelosi had promised the six-bill, 100-hour drive to voters in the fall. After recapturing a House majority in the November election following a dozen years of Republican rule, Democratic leaders said their clock for measuring the hours would include only those spent directly on the six bills.

How it's counted is irrelevant, House Democrats said.

"No matter how many different ways they want to count it, we made it within our 100 hours," said Majority leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland

Republicans contended the bills were hammered through after Democrats reneged on a campaign promise to let the opposition offer amendments and help shape legislation. Democrats had leveled the same criticism that Republicans, when they held the majority, denied them those opportunities.

"Many of the flawed 100 hours bills either face an uphill battle in the Senate or are destined for a veto pen," said Minority leader John Boehner, Republican of Ohio.

President Bush has threatened to veto two of the bills -- one to expand stem cell research and another to force the government to negotiate the prices of prescription drugs under Medicare. Last year, he vetoed a similar stem cell bill -- the only time he's wielded the veto pen.

All of the bills face change in the Senate, where rules and a much slimmer Democratic majority assure a more prominent role for Republicans.

And the House and Senate would have to agree on the language of any bill before it is sent to President Bush for his signature or a veto.




So, there is your technical differences. Even the Republicans admit they were passed.


Republicans contended the bills were hammered through after Democrats reneged on a campaign promise to let the opposition offer amendments and help shape legislation. Democrats had leveled the same criticism that Republicans, when they held the majority, denied them those opportunities.

"Many of the flawed 100 hours bills either face an uphill battle in the Senate or are destined for a veto pen," said Minority leader John Boehner, Republican of Ohio.


Let them Veto or crush them. They are almost all very popular bills with Americans, and campaign killers for those who will admit they opposed them. Thus going after creampuff bills that would be easy to PASS. They Prez will totally veto a few, screwing over his party in 08.

[Redskins Diehard]

I admitted I needed to be more clear, not that I didn't think they hadn't passed.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/01/19/house_democrats_pass_6_bill_agenda_in_first_100_ho urs/

So, there is your technical differences. Even the Republicans admit they were passed.

Let them Veto or crush them. They are almost all very popular bills with Americans, and campaign killers for those who will admit they opposed them. Thus going after creampuff bills that would be easy to PASS. They Prez will totally veto a few, screwing over his party in 08.

Listen, when the Democratic that control BOTH congress passes a bill through BOTH houses I will give them credit for it(Credit meaning they passed something, not necessarily they passed something that should be passed). I don't give them credit for passing a different version of minimum wage increase in both houses.

Here is my question for Chomerics again:
Have any of those bills that Bufford mentioned, and you cited, actually passed? Feel free to use unlimited :laugh: :doh: ;) :rolleyes: to avoid answering the question

[Seabee1973]

Lets see.

They did a few things in those 1st few weeks.

Passed the 9/11 Security Bill, Min wage, Stem Cells, Precription Drug Costs, Student Loans and the Energy Policy Rollback.

So, there you have it.

next?

Now mention some good things they have done :laugh:

[chomerics]

Here is my question for Chomerics again:
Have any of those bills that Bufford mentioned, and you cited, actually passed? Feel free to use unlimited :laugh: :doh: ;) :rolleyes: to avoid answering the question

I showed you why they have not passed YET, and they will. So when they get to Bush desk are you going to hang your head in shame??? I bet you would not even show up.

[borninblood]

The republicans had better start following through on promises they make to the evangelicals or in the next few years you will see a third party of evangelicals emerge.
Mark my word.....You heard it here first(insert peace sells base line)

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

The republicans had better start following through on promises they make to the evangelicals or in the next few years you will see a third party of evangelicals emerge.
Mark my word.....You heard it here first(insert peace sells base line)

I want Sarge or Mass to start a party, I'll follow it :laugh:

[Redskins Diehard]

I showed you why they have not passed YET, and they will. So when they get to Bush desk are you going to hang your head in shame??? I bet you would not even show up.

Wondering if they got to Bush desk yet?

[70th Week]

I think this is a great idea.It would hit home to the person after they had the abortion that they actually murdered a human being.

[#98QBKiller]

Are we going to start counting pregnant women as two people in the US Census?

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I want Sarge or Mass to start a party, I'll follow it :laugh:

Actually, I've been working on a "Constitution" for the fictional "Republic of MSF" in my free time. When it's done, I might be willing to post it and see how horrible everyone thinks it is.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Are we going to start counting pregnant women as two people in the US Census?

We definitely should, so far as I'm concerned.

[70th Week]

Are we going to start counting pregnant women as two people in the US Census?


nice try. Totally has nothing to do with the issue.It would be stupid to count an unborn baby on the census cause the pregnancy is only 9 months and they will be counted soon enough.Just cause they're not on the census doesn't mean a fetus is not a human being. :rolleyes:

[#98QBKiller]

We definitely should, so far as I'm concerned.


If this bill passes then it's inevitable. At least it should be if this country doesn't want to look ridiculous contradicting itself...wait a minute...maybe it's too late for that...

[#98QBKiller]

nice try. Totally has nothing to do with the issue.It would be stupid to count an unborn baby on the census cause the pregnancy is only 9 months and they will be counted soon enough.Just cause they're not on the census doesn't mean a fetus is not a human being. :rolleyes:



Then the Tennessee bill is garbage that should never be passed. I'm using the same logic that Representative Campfield is using on the issue.

[70th Week]

Then the Tennessee bill is garbage that should never be passed. I'm using the same logic that Representative Campfield is using on the issue.


logic? sounds like politics to me. how about common sense?

[#98QBKiller]

logic? sounds like politics to me. how about common sense?



Whatever you want to call it buddy.

[jrockster21]

nice try. Totally has nothing to do with the issue.It would be stupid to count an unborn baby on the census cause the pregnancy is only 9 months and they will be counted soon enough.Just cause they're not on the census doesn't mean a fetus is not a human being. :rolleyes:


Nothing? If a fetus gets a death certificate, why not count it on the census? Crap, why stop there? Lets give fetuses social security numbers, state ID cards and put their foot and hand prints in the system too. :doh:

[jbooma]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,252113,00.html

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Legislation introduced in Tennessee would require death certificates for aborted fetuses, which likely would create public records identifying women who have abortions.

Rep. Stacey Campfield, a Republican, said his bill would provide a way to track how many abortions are performed. He predicted it would pass in the Republican-controlled Senate but would have a hard time making it through the Democratic House.

"All these people who say they are pro-life — at least we would see how many lives are being ended out there by abortions," said Campfield.

First off I am not a fan of abortions but should not be able to tell someone they can not have since I am a man. This should ONLY be the womans choice because lets be fair the man can take off, not the woman.

I do think it would be wise to know how many abortions are happening, but not this way this is showing that the fetus is a person, which it is not, it is a fetus etc....

[70th Week]

Nothing? If a fetus gets a death certificate, why not count it on the census? Crap, why stop there? Lets give fetuses social security numbers, state ID cards and put their foot and hand prints in the system too. :doh:


Well if you look at it like that then why just kill fetus' when they are in the womb?crap, why stop there? Lets kill them after their born?(wait,they already do that with partial birth abortion :mad: ) or lets have a right to kill them at 10,12 15 years old?

[jrockster21]

Well if you look at it like that then why just kill fetus' when they are in the womb?crap, why stop there? Lets kill them after their born?(wait,they already do that with partial birth abortion :mad: ) or lets have a right to kill them at 10,12 15 years old?


Now you are getting away from the issue, and speaking purely on your emotional attachment to the issue. We're talking about in the womb here, not 12, 15 years later. :doh:

[#98QBKiller]

Well if you look at it like that then why just kill fetus' when they are in the womb?crap, why stop there? Lets kill them after their born?(wait,they already do that with partial birth abortion :mad: ) or lets have a right to kill them at 10,12 15 years old?



:jerk:

[Larry]

Nothing? If a fetus gets a death certificate, why not count it on the census? Crap, why stop there? Lets give fetuses social security numbers, state ID cards and put their foot and hand prints in the system too. :doh:

You forgot requiring all women to submit to monthly ultrasounds, to verify that they aren't suppressing the rights of any Republican talking points, I mean, undocumented citizens.

And a Constitutional amendment that declares that people are citizens if conceived in the US. (Although that last one might at least cut down on the "let's sneak across the border before the baby gets born" thing.) And anther one that says people can vote if conceived 18 years ago.

(We'll also need a Federal law requiring all persons to inform the government, in writing, every time the have sex, including the SSNs of any participants, the date and time, and the location, so that the date of conception can be fully documented.)

After all, no price is too high if it stands in the way of the religious right's quest to make sex as dangerous as possible, because people shouldn't be having sex, anyway.

[SkinInsite]

Abortion clinic should just pass out these t-shirts.

http://www.offlinetshirts.com/catalog/images/scarletletterTN2f.jpg

[#98QBKiller]

You forgot requiring all women to submit to monthly ultrasounds, to verify that they aren't suppressing the rights of any Republican talking points, I mean, undocumented citizens.

And a Constitutional amendment that declares that people are citizens if conceived in the US. (Although that last one might at least cut down on the "let's sneak across the border before the baby gets born" thing.) And anther one that says people can vote if conceived 18 years ago.

(We'll also need a Federal law requiring all persons to inform the government, in writing, every time the have sex, including the SSNs of any participants, the date and time, and the location, so that the date of conception can be fully documented.)

After all, no price is too high if it stands in the way of the religious right's quest to make sex as dangerous as possible, because people shouldn't be having sex, anyway.


:applause: We have a winner...here's your trophy Mr. Larry :1stplace:, thanks for playing and remember to stay out of that left lane ;) .