Norv is now the man in SD (per sirius nfl radio)

[cavs9]

Cold Pizza just reported they have a preliminary deal in place. Good news for the rest of the AFC.

[SkinsHokiesFan07]

Bad news for the NFC though:(

:dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

[skinsandgibbsfan]

Wrong forum but it looks like the Chargers like the Redskins' old coaches.

[Sec325]

they are talking about it now.

[MisterPinstripe]

Well yeah, why wouldnt they like our coaches, look at all of the success we had with them. :whoknows: And this is not redskins news, next time might want to put this stuff in the Around the NFL.

[MisterPinstripe]

This will be... Interesting.

[MisterPinstripe]

So what do people think? Are the chargers going to crash and burn? Or will they do well? I think they are in for some bad times personally. Depends on how much Norv has to do head coachy things.

[Genghis Khan]

I don't like this hire at all but I guess it can't be too bad AJ smith is the gm and he is inheriting a great team.

[Sec325]

here is the link

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6485122

[thinker]

As Nelson from the Simpsons says "HAH HAH."

[Spaceman Spiff]

What ****ing idiots. Marty to Norv?

[lovellj]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2771126

[Sec325]

Norv success all depends on who is going to be in charge of the Defense, we know as skins fans that he will have a good offense.

[ntotoro]

Norv success all depends on who is going to be in charge of the Defense, we know as skins fans that he will have a good offense.

For one year, anyway.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

They have a good team......let's see how Norv screws this one up :laugh: :laugh:

[Stuckinphilly1]

I think that's a pretty good offensive fit for the Chargers offense. As long as he can groom Rivers and they have a strong DC, which I think they will. I think they'll stay on top.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Norv is a great offensive mind, but a coach he is not. A horrible move switching from marty to him.

I honestly think everyone else they were looking at would have been a good hire. Also, why didnt they offer phillips the head coaching job? That seems like it would have been a pretty good internal hire...

[fuji869]

That is ironic being that Marty replaced Norv in D.C. I wonder is Spurrier will end up coaching the Chargers one of these days.

I never thought that Norv would ever be an NFL Head Coach again..... :whoknows:

[Hooper]

What are the Chargers thinking? They went from the guy who couldn't win the big game to the guy who can't even get to the big game. Unbelievable. Norv has never proven anything as a head coach -- the best thing that ever happened to him was when Snyder fired him in the middle of the season. People still feel he was "wronged" by the owner everyone loves to hate and that clouded the media's opinion of him as a coach. At best, he's mediocre.

[dfbovey]

The offense should have continued success. Norv likes to use the TE and you know that Tomlinson will continue to do his thing.

The question is will they find someone to run that defense properly. If they can, they might not miss a beat.

[Hooper]

Turner's head coaching record is 58-82-1.

Even if you don't think he was in good situations before... I mean, come on.

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

God, I like the Chargers a lot, but this is a ridiculous move, imo. Norv can't coach someone on making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Granted Norv gets to take the reigns of a great team, he's still not a good coach. I don't get this move at all.

[Oldskool]

Yet another stupid move by Dean Spanos and A.J. Smith.

I just can't wait to hear Chargers fans complain about Norval. It's going to be déjà vu, all over again.

[HapHaszard]

The Chargers just snached defeat from the jaws of victory. No that's Norv.

[twenty-eight]

:ciao: AJ Smith

[Matt [Redskins Fan]]

I don't care about politics, Schott is 2x the coach Norv is.

[FedExFielder]

I just don't see the improvement here for SD

[Who Del]

Wow. Just... wow.

[Basileus777]

This is one of those times where I wish the Chargers had fans.

[bubba9497]

AJ Smith's new puppet

[GibbsFactor]

I think it's a great hire and think Norv might find some success.

[AKM311]

I think AJ Smiths head is exploding. He has such a huge EGO right now, that he even thinks its his talent that will win the games and Norv will just improve the offense. He doesn't understand the fact that the players don't listen to Norv when he's the HC. He doesn't fire a team up, he doesn't discipline a team enough, and he doesn't win the big games enough (even the reg season big games).

AJ Smith is about to learn the hard way that a coach is more important than the talent.

[JetSkins]

they are taking a step backward with this hire

[Henry]

Norv Turner must be the Nicest Man in America to be able to get himself hired again and again like this.

[Phixius]

I kinda of laugh when I saw it on the ESPNEWS ticker

[DCsportsfan53]

So, Marty was the wrong guy because he couldn't get it done in the playoffs. Now, they have a guy who can't get it done, well, ever, and who's players have a history of walking all over him. Good job, AJ. Look forward to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for the foreseeable future.

[MisterPinstripe]

I think AJ Smiths head is exploding. He has such a huge EGO right now, that he even thinks its his talent that will win the games and Norv will just improve the offense. He doesn't understand the fact that the players don't listen to Norv when he's the HC. He doesn't fire a team up, he doesn't discipline a team enough, and he doesn't win the big games enough (even the reg season big games).

AJ Smith is about to learn the hard way that a coach is more important than the talent.

I agree, that guy seems to have a huge ego. It almost seems that he brought in Norv so that he could control him because he wants to be the HC. But thats just plain silly. :paranoid:

[Phixius]

Like I said in a thread couple of days ago, There a winning team with a worst FO than the Redskins. I actually appriciate that we dont have a GM as of right now seeing what AJ is doing in San Diego with a winning team.

[GrapeApe]

If Norval can't win with this team he will never win as a HC and should be put out to pasture as a HC candidate.

But I think this could work out for a year or two and give SD a run. Especially if they can get a strong DC. Norv and Marty are polar opposites in discipline and offense. Maybe this is what that team needed. They may have started to tune Marty out (as seems to happen with disciplinarians). Who knows. But I don't see this working out long term as Norv's club med approach will eventually kill that team.

[Chief skin]

They won't even make the playoffs this year, NORV HAHAHAHAH F***ING LOSER

[Tom [Giants fan]]

I wonder if this drops Tomlinson's value as a fantasy RB? Hey, only five more months until fantasy drafts start. Have to think about these things.

[Henry]

Tomlinson will get his under Turner. RB production has never been Turner's problem.

It's been just about everything else.

[ouvan59]

']I wonder if this drops Tomlinson's value as a fantasy RB? Hey, only five more months until fantasy drafts start. Have to think about these things.

I doubt it. If there is one thing Norv does it is churn out great fantasy backs. LT will still put up huge numbers but Norv will transform Phillip Rivers into a puddle of jelly. I predict a 6-2 start to next season for them with a 9-7 final record and at his year end press conference he will say he is so proud of his team because they competed to the end.

[GibbsFactor]

You'll have to consider Rivers too. I think the offense might be better next year.

[Hooper]

The opening, scripted drives will be great. And then things will go straight to hell.

And no lead will ever be safe.

[McMetal]

Charger Fan has got be feeling "Norvous" right aout now...poor bastards have no idea about the sad sack postgame routines they are in for...

I think the real story now is who does he bring in to run the D - Ryan or Cottrell?

[Seabee1973]

Tomlinson will get his under Turner. RB production has never been Turner's problem.

It's been just about everything else.

till they need to use one to win a game at the end of the game

[Oldskool]

This is one of those times where I wish the Chargers had fans.


Um.. You haven't a clue wtf youre talking about do you? :doh:

[Warhead36]

Oh god. Poor Chargers fans. :(

[DixieFlatline]

I feel bad for all Chargers fans. I just sent my buddy a condolences email.

[redskns21]

Unexplainable IMO. I do follow the Chargers as they are somewhat close to where I live and I can't stand the Bay Area teams so I'm very bummed about this hire. I see no benefit to hiring him, especially for this team.

[Fred Jones]

The Chargers won't replicate what they had last year, but they have a lot of talent on that team and will probably add to it come draft time. If the Chargers can get someone like Rivera to run the defense they should at least win a few games. Close games and playoff games is where Norv will display his lack of head coaching ability.

[jbooma]

Charger Fan has got be feeling "Norvous" right aout now...poor bastards have no idea about the sad sack postgame routines they are in for...

I think the real story now is who does he bring in to run the D - Ryan or Cottrell?

I completely disagree heck look what he was able to do in Oakland with that crap.

Think about this if Norv can make Phillip take that next step, this team with a very good QB, LT, and their D is going to be sick.

[jimster]

I don't get why some people keep getting opportunities and others don't.

I was hoping they'd hire Rex Ryan.

[bubba9497]

I completely disagree heck look what he was able to do in Oakland with that crap.
.


yeah, he took a team 2 years away from the Superbowl to the awesome season record of 5-11 then 4-12


:rolleyes:

[jbooma]

yeah, he took a team 2 years away from the Superbowl to the awesome seasons 5-11 then 4-12


:rolleyes:

true but at least the competed instead of the team this year :laugh: :laugh:

the funny thing is if he wins a superbowl in SD then redskin and dallas fans will never be able to complain about him again :)

he started to learn how to win here and then Danny took over :(

[kevin11]

the charges are done.

[909997]

i bet u guys norv will have a better record then gibbs next year

[redskns21]

true but at least the competed instead of the team this year :laugh: :laugh:

the funny thing is if he wins a superbowl in SD then redskin and dallas fans will never be able to complain about him again :)

he started to learn how to win here and then Danny took over :(

I know that it's early in 2007, but I nominate this for dumbest post of the year. What's that now Booma? 3 or 4 years running? :laugh:

[Seabee1973]

I completely disagree heck look what he was able to do in Oakland with that crap.

Think about this if Norv can make Phillip take that next step, this team with a very good QB, LT, and their D is going to be sick.

yeah he made it worse in oakland

[Phixius]

true but at least the competed instead of the team this year :laugh: :laugh:

the funny thing is if he wins a superbowl in SD then redskin and dallas fans will never be able to complain about him again :)

he started to learn how to win here and then Danny took over :(

Yeah 1996 was a great year for the Skins, and oh yeah wasnt he 7-6 before he was fired.

[doom44]

They are now starting from square negative one....Makes our redskin organization look Like Chess champions. Lets spit in our 14-2 Head coaches face with a half assed extention...chase away all his assistants...and start over...New system...new chemistry ...good players....Good Luck San Diego...you need it.

[skinzplay]

Don't be so quick to predict clouds of doom hovering over San Diego. I think Turner will be successful in San Diego because he can only be successful when he has what he had in Dallas:

(a) an abundance of talent at the skill positions
(b) a strong general manager who has the final say on coordinators and position coaches
(c) a competent defensive coordinator (i.e., Norv didn't pick him)

Look for the Chargers to make it well past the first round of the playoffs next season. Turner's going to light it up with his play-calling now that he has Tomlinson and a great offense at his disposal. And, just to note, the offense the Chargers have been running the last few years is the one he implemented when he was there as O-Coordinator.

[Mooka]

http://static.flickr.com/66/157479377_00b53b6c37_m.jpg

[worstSeat]

So what do people think? Are the chargers going to crash and burn? Or will they do well? I think they are in for some bad times personally. Depends on how much Norv has to do head coachy things.

Norv's worst problem is he's a yes-man for owners. He had the Skins in the playoffs, a soon-to-be Super Bowl QB, and a brusing back playing Redskins football. What does Snyder do? He plays over-the-hill fantasy football with our favorite NFL team, mortagages the team's future for the first time, and benches Johnson for Jeff George.

I have no idea why Norv catches Snyder's rub around here other than he didn't tell the boss "Hell, no."

Norv can do fine. It looks like the reason he ain't in Dallas is because he finally grew a backbone and told *Jerry* the way the team should be run. Jerry said forget it; the Chargers said bring it on. Good for Norv.

Btw, why isn't this Stadium worthy? It's an ex-Skins coach. That's enough for me.

[jbooma]

They are now starting from square negative one....Makes our redskin organization look Like Chess champions. Lets spit in our 14-2 Head coaches face with a half assed extention...chase away all his assistants...and start over...New system...new chemistry ...good players....Good Luck San Diego...you need it.


no they are keeping things in place, it is the same offense as last year, and with the hiring of the new DC the defense is the same

this move all points to Rivers and how SD must have thought he did not improve enought, now with Norv can take him to the next level

this is a very smart way for SD to keep both systems the same

[jbooma]

I know that it's early in 2007, but I nominate this for dumbest post of the year. What's that now Booma? 3 or 4 years running? :laugh:

and how is that

if we wins a superbowl then skins fans would like wrong about how they feel of him and Danny was the reason why he failed, we were a make fg away from advancing to the nfc championship and then next year they bring in the overpriced crew, we were close

[SkinsDukes]

the funny thing is if he wins a superbowl in SD then redskin and dallas fans will never be able to complain about him again :)

I'm more than willing to take that chance.


he started to learn how to win here and then Danny took over :(

In general, taking 7 years to learn how to do anything is grounds for dismissal, not praise. And apparently he needed remedial courses by the time he got to Oakland.

Please don't blame Norv's ineptitude on Snyder. If anything Danny should have booted him the moment the ink was dry on the deal buying the team.

[SkinsDukes]

no they are keeping things in place, it is the same offense as last year


Really? Norv has no abandoned his Air Coryell roots and is going to play Marty Ball?

[peckerwood]

Yeah 1996 was a great year for the Skins, and oh yeah wasnt he 7-6 before he was fired.


what?

[jbooma]

I'm more than willing to take that chance.



In general, taking 7 years to learn how to do anything is grounds for dismissal, not praise. And apparently he needed remedial courses by the time he got to Oakland.

Please don't blame Norv's ineptitude on Snyder. If anything Danny should have booted him the moment the ink was dry on the deal buying the team.


It took 7 years because of the mistake at QB once he had a decent QB we were a good team. Not all of the skins mistakes where his fault. As soon he figured out who to win then Danny gives him a bunch of washed up players. I think we would have been better off not making those moves and see what happened.

Oakland was going to be a mistake from the beginning no QB, Randy Moss, and Al Davis.

[jbooma]

Really? Norv has no abandoned his Air Coryell roots and is going to play Marty Ball?

The old OC there played his offense. Mary had nothing to do with the O this year, he was like Gibbs a CEO type coach.

[peckerwood]

I heard someone on the radio say today that they've been running that offense since 2001, when Norv was the OC.

[SkinsDukes]

It took 7 years because of the mistake at QB .

Agreed, but its a mistake Norv himself made...Heath was his baby.

[peckerwood]

Like he's the only guy to ever make a mistake drafting a QB in the first round. Shuler was the consensus number one QB in the draft that year... him and Dilfer were the top two. Nobody could've known Shuler would be such an assclown.

[RedskinInExile]

I didn't see anyone mention this (sorry if I missed it) but has anyone seen the SI write-up on the hire yet?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jeffri_chadiha/02/19/turner/index.html?cnn=yes

It seemed that when the Cowboys were pursuing him, he could do no wrong-- they credited him with the development of everyone from Ricky Williams to Doug Flutie. Now he is "simply not an effective head coach."

I usually brush off the whole media-loves-the-cowboys-and-hates-the-skins stuff as paranoia, but this one had me scratching my head...

[peckerwood]

same writer?

I mean, it might sound strange, but SI has more than one person writing articles for them, and different people sometimes have different opinions.

[Redskins4Life]

What's actually sad and yet unbelievable is that some of the Charger faithful over at the forum that I happen to be an admin of (http://www.thenflforum.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=73971) believe that this coaching move was actually a good thing.

I'm for one am baffled ... and yet saddened at the same time. Charger fans deserve better. :doh:

[Tom Sullivan]

Norv Turner wasn't all that terrible as the Redskins coach, now that I think about it. He was just in over his head. His overall record as a head coach is 58-82-1, but that looks worse than it is - the last two seasons in Oakland were with an overbearing owner and a team that was inadequate, and he was 5-11, and then 4-12, but I don't think that situation was really his fault - I doubt that very many coaches could have won in that situation.

With the Redskins, he was 49-59-1, and these were his season records, as everyone well knows--

1994: 3-13
1995: 6-10
1996: 9-7
1997: 8-7-1
1998: 6-10
1999: 10-6, 1-1 in playoffs
2000: 7-6

That's decidedly mediocre and of course record-wise he lost more than he won, but when I think about it if I take away the first two seasons when he was just getting started, and focus on the final 5 years of his tenure, that's not really all that terrible. Not great but not terrible either. Also, in the one year of those last 5 seasons in which he didn't have a winning record (6-10 in 1998), the Redskins battled back from an 0-7 start to win 6 out of the last 9 games, so it was a respectable finish given the 35, 31, 22, and 21 point losses during the 7 game losing streak.

He wasn't, and isn't, a great head coach, he's a good offensive coordinator but he's in over his head at the head coaching position and its going to show again in San Diego. When thinking about it I realized that he's not terrible he just doesn't have what it takes to be great, and ultimately that's why he has failed everywhere he's been.

[RedskinInExile]

same writer?

I mean, it might sound strange, but SI has more than one person writing articles for them, and different people sometimes have different opinions.

Yeah, that is true. But still, I remember reading a couple of pro-Norv articles during the Cowboys thing. Plus, while the writers may have different opinions, its ultimately the editors that choose which to publish.

Meh, its probably nothing

[Seabee1973]

Norv's worst problem is he's a yes-man for owners. He had the Skins in the playoffs, a soon-to-be Super Bowl QB, and a brusing back playing Redskins football. What does Snyder do? He plays over-the-hill fantasy football with our favorite NFL team, mortagages the team's future for the first time, and benches Johnson for Jeff George.

I have no idea why Norv catches Snyder's rub around here other than he didn't tell the boss "Hell, no."

Norv can do fine. It looks like the reason he ain't in Dallas is because he finally grew a backbone and told *Jerry* the way the team should be run. Jerry said forget it; the Chargers said bring it on. Good for Norv.

Btw, why isn't this Stadium worthy? It's an ex-Skins coach. That's enough for me.

Look at the circumstances to many odd circumstances he told jerry one thing then allowed teh chargers to hire him while saying another thing

[Seabee1973]

Norv's worst problem is he's a yes-man for owners. He had the Skins in the playoffs, a soon-to-be Super Bowl QB, and a brusing back playing Redskins football. What does Snyder do? He plays over-the-hill fantasy football with our favorite NFL team, mortagages the team's future for the first time, and benches Johnson for Jeff George.

I have no idea why Norv catches Snyder's rub around here other than he didn't tell the boss "Hell, no."

Norv can do fine. It looks like the reason he ain't in Dallas is because he finally grew a backbone and told *Jerry* the way the team should be run. Jerry said forget it; the Chargers said bring it on. Good for Norv.

Btw, why isn't this Stadium worthy? It's an ex-Skins coach. That's enough for me.


Also Snyder asked Norv what he needed to win a championship Norv told him snyder got it Norv Blew it

[Seabee1973]

and how is that

if we wins a superbowl then skins fans would like wrong about how they feel of him and Danny was the reason why he failed, we were a make fg away from advancing to the nfc championship and then next year they bring in the overpriced crew, we were close


That over priced crew improved our defense to number 4

[riggoraider]

Tis was the dream job for an offensive coach who specializes in QB development. I expect for them to be in the superbowl next season.

[Califan007]

Tis was the dream job for an offensive coach who specializes in QB development. I expect for them to be in the superbowl next season.
They won't even make the playoffs next season.

[Califan007]

The opening, scripted drives will be great. And then things will go straight to hell.

And no lead will ever be safe.
As well as stupid penalties out the wazoo, and at just the worst times...

[elkabong82]

Norv is great for an offense, and Sand Diego's offense will be formidable again next season. But Norv requires someone who can a lead a team in the right direction. In Oakland he certainly didn't have that. When he was here, Snyder was relatively new to the game and was making mistakes.

Now Norv is going to San Diego, where the owner just axed the old head coach because they lost one playoff game. To me that move seemed to be jumping the gun and not much thought was put into it. Snyder acted that way in the begining and it screwed Norv. I just think the same thing is going to happen again.

The whole team has new coaches now. The offense, the TE's, the defense, the linebackers, etc. It is hard to succeed immediately when you are going through that big of a change, especially when you are in one of the hardest divisions. Norv has also inherited the team only two weeks before free agency, and the draft isn't too far behind either. Norv has a whole lot of work to do, and very little time to do it in. Add all of that onto the fact the team will probably be receiving a tougher schedule next season for going 14-2 in '06.

Norv will be hard pressed to produce right away, and it's obvious the owner is very impatient. I don't think Norv will be there in 3 years, especially not if a better coach like Cowher comes back into the picture. Given Norv track record in the past, and the overwhelming difficulty and pressure that lays ahead of him, odds are he isn't going to get done.

[elkabong82]

They won't even make the playoffs next season.

agreed. see my above post for why.

[Ax]

Barring injury, a good high school coach could get the Chargers to the playoffs. How Norval got this sweet gig HAD to involve pictures of AJ Smith and a donkey.

One season might not be long enough for full blown Norvitus to take it's life sapping effect on the team and it's fans. The Chargers best shot to win the Super Bowl will be next season, and they have a damn good shot at it.

Not because of Norval, but in spite of him.

[SkinsDukes]

Like he's the only guy to ever make a mistake drafting a QB in the first round. Shuler was the consensus number one QB in the draft that year... him and Dilfer were the top two. Nobody could've known Shuler would be such an assclown.

Correct, but Norv's miscalculation on Shuler was one of the key steps on sending this franchise into oblivion for the better part of a decade. Is he the only one to make a mistake? Nope, but that kind of mistake and his track record means he doesn't warrant another shot with a head coaching job.

I'm shocked there are that many people on here defending Norv, and his methods. Were some of you people even paying attention in the 90's?:doh:

[Phixius]

what?

I was being sarcastic about the 1996 season

[DarkLadyRaven]

Man it would be so easy to bumb a thread started by critics of the Rooney rule right now

[jrockster21]

The whole team has new coaches now. The offense, the TE's, the defense, the linebackers, etc. It is hard to succeed immediately when you are going through that big of a change, especially when you are in one of the hardest divisions.


Keep in mind the team has already run Norv's offense for the most part the past 4 seasons.