Arenas over-rated? Haha look at this Caron over-rated too? hahaha

[BayouBrave86]

So I'm discussing over-rated players in this thread and Arenas is being called out as over-rated..check this out..Ridiculous Thread (http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=3992122&Pg=1)

[TakeTheFG]

they are right.. hes in the top 10-15 range

[The End]

Stand behind your star, D.C!

[BayouBrave86]

I said he was 10-15 range. Did you see where one of the guys said he was 10-15 and then went on to say oh wait..maybe 17,18? I mean seriously, these guys are taking Pierce and McGrady over Arenas which is absurd.

[TakeTheFG]

I said he was 10-15 range. Did you see where one of the guys said he was 10-15 and then went on to say oh wait..maybe 17,18? I mean seriously, these guys are taking Pierce and McGrady over Arenas which is absurd.

pierce no.. tmac when healthy defintely

[The Nations Team]

Gil is def top 8 range

[MonkFan8]

It's silly to compare Arenas to players outside of his position like those guys are doing. The only guards I would even consider taking over Arenas right now is Nash and maybe Kobe.

[jbooma]

It's silly to compare Arenas to players outside of his position like those guys are doing. The only guards I would even consider taking over Arenas right now is Nash and maybe Kobe.


Kobe may be the best all around player in the leauge

[jps36]

Arenas is a top 10 player in the league.

His +/- numbers are absurdly good and are significantly better than Wade, LBJ, Nash and Kobe. In that thread, on the LSU board, people were constantly talking about Arenas' shot selection and FG%. Arenas does take a lot of shots and has a poor FG%, but the FG% is extremely misleading. Gil loves to taking three pointers, which are 1.5x more than the 2. TS% is a better indicator of a player's offensive efficiency because it takes into account a player's ability to take the three and his ability to get to the line. If you measure a player's offensive productivity by looking at a player's TS%, you would realize that Gil is on the same level as some of the most heralded players in the game-- Wade and Kobe.

Gil is definitely not an overrated player. How many people outside of DC knew who he was before the Cleveland series or this season? This guy is on the same level as some of the best in the game, and, up until recently, got zero pub. He couldn't even make the effing all star game without the help of D. Stern. Arenas is in no way an overrated player.

[909997]

arenas is def top 5 in production last 3 years

[phishisthegreatstuff]

best players in the league IMO are kobe, then KG/tim duncan, steve nash, dirk/wade, lebron/gil. Then prob Tmac/yao and then like shaq.

[XxSpearheadxX]

tmac when healthy defintely

When was that exactly?

best players in the league IMO are kobe, then KG/tim duncan, steve nash, dirk/wade, lebron/gil. Then prob Tmac/yao and then like shaq.

I agree with this, good list, but I'd put Yao above gil. And lower Wade to Gil status, overrated.

[Warhead36]

It's tough to compare Gil to big guys. I mean Gil or Dwight Howard? Gil or Amare Stoudemire? Gil or Yao Ming? I'd probably take the big guy over Agent Zero in all three situations. But again, a great big guy, hell even a very good big guy is always more valuable than a great perimeter guy.

So all these "Gil is top 10" or whatever doesn't really mean much to me. Gil is a great basketball player anyway you slice it. He's not a "pure PG" or anything like that but how many are there in the NBA right now? 10 maybe?

Gil is a ****in hell of a player anyway you slice it.

[BayouBrave86]

Holy ****, from one of the posts on there.."Caron Butler is overrated because he was an All Star and he might be the worst guy in the Wizards' starting 5. He just plays in an uptempo offense and plays a lot of minutes and shoots a lot. "

OMG these guys are idiots.

[TakeTheFG]

Holy ****, from one of the posts on there.."Caron Butler is overrated because he was an All Star and he might be the worst guy in the Wizards' starting 5. He just plays in an uptempo offense and plays a lot of minutes and shoots a lot. "

OMG these guys are idiots.

well you can make a case that butler wont play well in a half court system and excels in the open court.. i dont think he would be too successful in a system where he would need to go around screens and etc. Caron Bulter honestly has 1 move which is that quick 2 step jump shot

[BayouBrave86]

What system did the Heat and Lakers run when Caron was apart of their team? He's thrived on two teams before joing the Wizards, that weren't run and gun. Hell he was the main reason the Heat made it to the playoffs his rookie year.

[arenasisgod]

Caron scores most of his points in the half court, and on put backs (offensive rebounds are valuable too). I seem to recall a certain knicks game where Caron finished the game in the half court with a dunk. Anyone else remember that? Totally uptempo. Yeah, he doesn't run around screens, most of his work is in the half court with the shot clock dwindling. People say the same garbage about Marion when he creates shots, hits jumpers and gets garbage points better than anyone else. Tempo has nothing to do with it, talent does. If anyone is a beneficiary of uptempo basketball, its Jamison

[Chachie]

Gilbert IS a Top 7 player in the NBA. The thing is, the distance between the top 3 and the rest is a mile wide.

[909997]

top 7 at the age of 25 isnt bad

[TakeTheFG]

Gilbert IS a Top 7 player in the NBA. The thing is, the distance between the top 3 and the rest is a mile wide.


soory i cant agree with that..

i would have to say kobe, wade, dirk, nash, KG and duncan. i thikn lebron is overrated but he has the most potential and would be placed at 7. i thikn arenas is 8-10 range

[909997]

soory i cant agree with that..

i would have to say kobe, wade, dirk, nash, KG and duncan. i thikn lebron is overrated but he has the most potential and would be placed at 7. i thikn arenas is 8-10 range

first of all wade is not better then arenas

2nd if ur gonna put lebron 7 because of potential

arenas is only 25 y dont u put him ahead of nash, dirk, duncan because of potential

[TakeTheFG]

first of all wade is not better then arenas

2nd if ur gonna put lebron 7 because of potential

arenas is only 25 y dont u put him ahead of nash, dirk, duncan because of potential

arenas better than wade? :laugh: The guy single handed won the title and won 4 games against the favorite.. He destoryed Detriot last year and if it weren't for his injury 2 yrs ago the heat could have made back to back apperances in the finals. Yes arenas is only 25 but nash, dirk and duncan are simply better. Lebron is a good player and he will get better but he is still averaging 27 pts a game without a legit shot in his repitotore

[swisha]

first of all wade is not better then arenas




I would take Wade over Arenas anyday.

[DoGood28]

arenas better than wade? :laugh: The guy single handed won the title and won 4 games against the favorite.. He destoryed Detriot last year and if it weren't for his injury 2 yrs ago the heat could have made back to back apperances in the finals. Yes arenas is only 25 but nash, dirk and duncan are simply better. Lebron is a good player and he will get better but he is still averaging 27 pts a game without a legit shot in his repitotore

You guys are GROSSLY understimating the impact of having a Shaq in the paint. That's all I have to say if you seriously believe that Wade alone single-handly won the title.

[kevin11]

WOW, somebody is actually trying to say Butler is really overrated.

[909997]

arenas better than wade? :laugh: The guy single handed won the title and won 4 games against the favorite.. He destoryed Detriot last year and if it weren't for his injury 2 yrs ago the heat could have made back to back apperances in the finals. Yes arenas is only 25 but nash, dirk and duncan are simply better. Lebron is a good player and he will get better but he is still averaging 27 pts a game without a legit shot in his repitotore

yes arenas is better then wade

and did u see the finals?

mavs had 2 guys on shaq the whole time

i wanna see arenas play with a guy like shaq in the middle

and no lebron is overrated

i would take carmelo over him any day of the week

[BayouBrave86]

Seriously, I would take Wade over Arenas. I'm not denying that Arenas would win a championship with Wade, but seriously Wade is a freaking baller. You can't stop him. The only way he does get stopped is because of injury. He is a leader through and through and as clutch as they come.

[909997]

Seriously, I would take Wade over Arenas. I'm not denying that Arenas would win a championship with Wade, but seriously Wade is a freaking baller. You can't stop him. The only way he does get stopped is because of injury. He is a leader through and through and as clutch as they come.

iam not denying wade is a good player

i think arenas should get more credit then wade

arenas pretty much single handedly brought the franchise up from the graves

wade had shaqs help

i think we both agree kobe is a good player

kobe without shaq couldt take the lakers to the players

just imagine what miami would have done last 2 years without shaq

[swisha]

iam not denying wade is a good player

i think arenas should get more credit then wade

arenas pretty much single handedly brought the franchise up from the graves

wade had shaqs help

i think we both agree kobe is a good player

kobe without shaq couldt take the lakers to the players

just imagine what miami would have done last 2 years without shaq

If you didn't remember, Wade took the heat to the playoffs his rookie season WITHOUT Shaq.

[909997]

If you didn't remember, Wade took the heat to the playoffs his rookie season WITHOUT Shaq.

wade barely started half the games that year

and their were 2 better players on his team that year lamar odom and eddie jones.

[swisha]

wade barely started half the games that year

and their were 2 better players on his team that year lamar odom and eddie jones.

He played 61 games that season, starting 56 games, which is easily more than half of the 82 season games, not barely.

Lamar Odom and Eddie Jones were not "better" than Wade, they were just veterans on the team while he was the rookie. That doesn't not make his contributions to the 03-04's season run any less than Odom's or Jones'. The point is he was a star from the beginning, not because Shaq made him a star.

By the way, Arenas did not ressurrect this team ALONE. In his first year here, the Wizards was 25-57. It was the trio of Arenas, AJ, and Larry Hughes that brought back the Wizards onto the NBA map.

You can't simpy compare players by giving one more credit than the other. Wade just has a better, more complete game than Arenas.

[hands11]

I said he was 10-15 range. Did you see where one of the guys said he was 10-15 and then went on to say oh wait..maybe 17,18? I mean seriously, these guys are taking Pierce and McGrady over Arenas which is absurd.

McGrady was one of the most dominant players in the league when healthy.

He did things from the SG position that was elite. That's not a stretch to put him over Gil. And Prince is just efficient and productive on a title winning team.

Someone can make these arguments and not be nuts.

[hands11]

Arenas is a top 10 player in the league.

His +/- numbers are absurdly good and are significantly better than Wade, LBJ, Nash and Kobe. In that thread, on the LSU board, people were constantly talking about Arenas' shot selection and FG%. Arenas does take a lot of shots and has a poor FG%, but the FG% is extremely misleading. Gil loves to taking three pointers, which are 1.5x more than the 2. TS% is a better indicator of a player's offensive efficiency because it takes into account a player's ability to take the three and his ability to get to the line. If you measure a player's offensive productivity by looking at a player's TS%, you would realize that Gil is on the same level as some of the most heralded players in the game-- Wade and Kobe.

Gil is definitely not an overrated player. How many people outside of DC knew who he was before the Cleveland series or this season? This guy is on the same level as some of the best in the game, and, up until recently, got zero pub. He couldn't even make the effing all star game without the help of D. Stern. Arenas is in no way an overrated player.

But Gil is supposed to be a PG. How does he measure up against other PG in assist to turnovers, assists, making his team better, running the offense, etc.

[GOSKINS_08]

But Gil is supposed to be a PG. How does he measure up against other PG in assist to turnovers, assists, making his team better, running the offense, etc.

What dont you understand? Arenas is a shooter who plays PG..Its not Arenas's fault that he is the PG..I would rather see Arenas score 50 and have 3 assists, then see him have 15 points and 10 assists..Because that would mean that Arenas is playing his way, not the way of his position that he plays because he is not a PG.

[clathel]

Arenas is in the top 3 of PG's but 10-15 overall is about right.

[arenasisgod]

#1 in my heart

[XxSpearheadxX]

If you didn't remember, Wade took the heat to the playoffs his rookie season WITHOUT Shaq.

I seem to remember a rookie of the year from the year before named Caron Butler, and oh yeah this other guy named Lamar Odom who was playing sensational basketball.

In fact, those 2 guys had SUCH great years that year, that they were the catalyst for a trade FOR Shaq.

[XxSpearheadxX]

What dont you understand? Arenas is a shooter who plays PG..Its not Arenas's fault that he is the PG..I would rather see Arenas score 50 and have 3 assists, then see him have 15 points and 10 assists..Because that would mean that Arenas is playing his way, not the way of his position that he plays because he is not a PG.

No he is a combo guard in a system that utilizes 2 guards, 2 forwards and 1 center.

Blame the system maybe, blame Gil's intermittent immaturity at time, but don't say he is playing out of position.

Show me all those times that Smush parker sets up his teammates. Thats right, because the Triangle is a similar styled offense.

Only when EJ had Kidd did he bend the system to include a pure PG - because that was Kidd's superstar talent.

[swisha]

In fact, those 2 guys had SUCH great years that year, that they were the catalyst for a trade FOR Shaq.

LOL. Now that's a statement that can kick your own ass. They were soooooo good that they got traded! Gotcha.