Fox - This wasn't a deal, it was robbery

[HapHaszard]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6533778

It might go down as the greatest deal in NFL history.

Ok, that's hyperbole. But it sure feels that way.

Mike Tannenbaum ripped off the Bears in acquiring Thomas Jones, one of the toughest and most effective running backs in the NFL.

All the savvy Jets general manager had to give up was one of his two second-round picks, No. 37 overall, which Tannenbaum stole from the Redskins last year on draft day in the infamous Rocky McIntosh deal.

Oh yeah, Chicago threw in its own second-round pick, No. 63 overall.

Somebody call the authorities.

The only thing missing is a gun and a mask.

The Jets sorely lacked a go-to running back last year and Jones fits the bill. He is a powerful workhorse who can run both inside and outside and take over games. And Jones plays big in big games; torching the Giants and Jets in the Bears' back-to-back New York swing last year, busting through Seattle for two touchdowns in the playoffs, bowling over New Orleans for two touchdowns in the NFC title game and ripping apart the Colts in the Super Bowl.

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[SMOSS89]

The 'infamous' Rocky Macintosh deal? What the hell?

[bubba9497]

I thought this was about Davis signing with the pokes



:)

[Jeremiah_Johnson]

I thought it was about dockery signing with the bills.

[SkinsGuy]

I thought this was about Davis signing with the pokes



:)


That wasn't an act of highway robbery.

That was an act of stupidity. :)

[Oldskool]

No. 37 overall, which Tannenbaum stole from the Redskins last year on draft day in the infamous Rocky McIntosh deal.

WTF is he talking about? This was a bit of a stretch on Gibbs part but it was in no way an "infamous" deal nor a Quincy Carter-esque reach.

[HeHateMe]

I thought this was about Davis signing with the pokes



:)

Nope.

But funny it all starts with how the Jets robbed the Skins to even put themselves in a position to pull this hiest.

Kudos to the Jets for getting away with robbery twice. :applause:

[HeHateMe]

WTF is he talking about? This was a bit of a stretch on Gibbs part but it was in no way an "infamous" deal nor a Quincy Carter-esque reach.

Hindsight is always 20-20.

[jrockster21]

Hindsight is always 20-20.


:laugh: As he says exactly one post after he criticizes a Skins draft-day trade. Hypocritical much? :laugh:

As much as all you opposing team fans want to believe that Rocky would have been there at 53, there is no guarantee that he would have been. Hindsight doesn't even factor in, because there's no telling where he would have gone. No GM is going to admit to having wanted to select him, even if they were eyeing him.

So please, go celebrate the signing of the 50 million dollar tub of lard, and save the hypocrisy for another board.

[Fifty Gut]

"All the savvy Jets general manager had to give up was one of his two second-round picks, No. 37 overall, which Tannenbaum stole from the Redskins last year on draft day in the infamous Rocky McIntosh deal."

:doh:

[HeHateMe]

:laugh: As he says exactly one post after he criticizes a Skins draft-day trade. Hypocritical much? :laugh:

As much as all you opposing team fans want to believe that Rocky would have been there at 53, there is no guarantee that he would have been. Hindsight doesn't even factor in, because there's no telling where he would have gone. No GM is going to admit to having wanted to select him, even if they were eyeing him.

So please, go celebrate the signing of the 50 million dollar tub of lard, and save the hypocrisy for another board.

I couldve put it all together in the same post but I didnt.

The point is that this writer is able to write that the trade is now robbery since we've seen, so far, what MacIntosh is.

Sure it could swing back to the Redskins if he ends up being the next Ray Lewis, but we're not there yet, so, for now, yes, the Jets got the better on the deal.

ESPECIALLY now since they parlayed that pick into a solid starting RB.

The point isnt what other GM mightve taken Rocky at that spot, the point is that looking at the deal now, the Jets look very good.

[SkinsFanMania]

Hindsight is always 20-20.

I challenge you to say that again after Rocky dances all over Romo this year.

[argentina_redskins]

The 'infamous' Rocky Macintosh deal? What the hell?

Rocky would have been there at #53. Most mock drafts predicted him going to us at that spot or some of them even said in the high 3rd round.

We got RIPPED

[skinsfan07]

I challenge you to say that again after Rocky dances all over Romo this year.

agreed! Romo's gonna's gonna be actin like a little school girl when he sees DA ROCK comin at him.

[TheLongshot]

The point is that this writer is able to write that the trade is now robbery since we've seen, so far, what MacIntosh is.

Seen what? He barely got on the field.

If there was evidence that the Skins were looking to replace him, then maybe there would be some validity there.

Jason

[HeHateMe]

Seen what? He barely got on the field.

If there was evidence that the Skins were looking to replace him, then maybe there would be some validity there.

Jason

Thanks for proving my point.

Even on a bad defense he wasnt able to get on the field.

I'm not saying he wont come around. In fact, I think he will be a solid player eventually.

I was just pointing out why this particular writer can be justified today in stating the Jets, thus far, got the better of the deal.

[twenty-eight]

The 'infamous' Rocky Macintosh deal? What the hell?

:laugh::laugh:

Well usually (unless its a QB) when you give up picks to move up and take a guy, you expect him to have an impact. Rocky barely saw the field:(


I thought this was about Davis signing with the pokes



:)

Me too! Cowboys are getting ripped for that signing.

[Flowtrain]

I was just pointing out why this particular writer can be justified today in stating the Jets, thus far, got the better of the deal.

To be clear, the Jets turned the Rocky McIntosh pick into a starting RB in Thomas Jones, a future starting QB in Kellen Clemens, and a late 2nd round pick in the 2007 draft to pair up with their existing 2nd round pick.

So if the McIntosh deal wasn't "infamous" (as the article stated) after it was consummated last year, it certainly will be now.

[phatSkins27]

When you stop and think ( I know its hard with all the BS around from the Toney Homo fans) this deal wasnt that bad for the Bears really.


1. Travis Henry was for free on the market...same stats this year on a rebuilding team with a rookie QB, Jones on a SB team built around running the ball

2 Bills cant trade McGahee for a 4th witch is less points than the swap...

3 Domminic Rhodes better back/ cheaper price

4 The RB position is deep in the draft this year

5 Jones was not a lockerroom presence that management liked..had off season probs/ camp distraction last year

6 Its a buyers market for RBs and they have a good starter in Benson

...if they can move to the beginning of the 2nd round and prob draft a starter at WR or TE or even DL if they need to replace Johnson then they did well plus they got rid of a guy who was a pain to them in the first place

I think this guy just wanted to trash the bears and or redskins and didnt think it through
:logo:

[RedskinzOwnU]

The bears made a horrible trade, but they can redeem themselves if they use that pick to draft troy smith. Otherwise, that franchise will be in the toilet for the next decade.

[pointyfootball]

The bears made a horrible trade, but they can redeem themselves if they use that pick to draft troy smith. Otherwise, that franchise will be in the toilet for the next decade.

Thomas wanted to be treated as a #1 back, and they invested the pick & money into Benson. They at least got something for him without a holdout/trade demand and the situation getting ugly. Jones is a good back, but this is also his 8th year coming up, which is like 15 years at any other position.

As to Smith, are you serious? I will be shocked if Troy Smith makes it in the NFL. He most likely won't be a first day (or even possibly first 3 rounds) draft pick. They'd be much better served picking the kid from Michigan, although I hope they don't so the Eagles can get him.

[bedlamVR]

Before Cowboys fans rip into to the Rocky McIntosh trade - who really may or more likely may not have been there at 53 can I say two words to you

Bobby Carpinter...

Also as has been stated is Thomas Brown really a top franchise back? 8 Years in the leauge RBs tend to be on the way down not up . Also Kellen Clements may be a solid No2 but has proven what so far he can beat out our Patrick Ramsey for a roster space...wow.

This is nowhere near on the scale of the Eli Manning trade or Drew Brees/LT trade.

[cnhnyy]

The point is that Redskins spent two No.2s on a LB who could not beat out Holdman for playing time.

[Passizle]

and ripping apart the Colts in the Super Bowl.


WTF??? He ran 15 times for 112 yards and no TD's. Most of those runs were for a yard or two. He only broke off like two big ones which skew the 112 mark. I hardly call that "ripping apart" the Colts. He was really stuffed IMO. Didn't the Colts win or was I in bizzarro world that day? :doh:

No doubt this was a great trade for the Jets, but before Benson was drafted and Jones had no competition, he was a non-factor like his brother in Dallas. In fact, he was about to be cut as far as I recall.

What is he going to be like without a solid nuber two to challenge him for a starting job?

[Flowtrain]

WTF??? He ran 15 times for 112 yards and no TD's. Most of those runs were for a yard or two. He only broke off like two big ones which skew the 112 mark. I hardly call that "ripping apart" the Colts. He was really stuffed IMO. Didn't the Colts win or was I in bizzarro world that day? :doh:

Your recollection of Super Bowl Sunday is pretty hazy. Jones had one long run of 52 yards to set up the Bears 2nd TD. There's absolutely no justification for ignoring that play as it was an important one, and it actually did happen. But if you were inclined to pretend that it didn't take place, Jones still averaged 4.3 YPC without that play including 6 other runs for roughly 10 yards.

In the Bears' previous 2 playoff games, he averaged 4.7 yards and scored 4 times. That gives Jones 5.5 YPC on 55 carries in the playoffs.



What is he going to be like without a solid nuber two to challenge him for a starting job?

The Jets have Leon Washington who, as a rookie in 2006, notched more yards from scrimmage than Benson (995).

[TheLongshot]

Thanks for proving my point.

Even on a bad defense he wasnt able to get on the field.

And no one outside of the organization really knows the exact reason why. I have a feeling, tho, that the letting go of Linsey can be read that the organization didn't like how that situation was handled.

That being said, what we've seen so far has been pretty promising, from his plays on special teams, to what he did with his limited time in the game.


I was just pointing out why this particular writer can be justified today in stating the Jets, thus far, got the better of the deal.

And any football person knows that you don't judge a rookie on one season, either positively or negatively.

Jason

[ouvan59]

Thanks for proving my point.

Even on a bad defense he wasnt able to get on the field.

I'm not saying he wont come around. In fact, I think he will be a solid player eventually.

I was just pointing out why this particular writer can be justified today in stating the Jets, thus far, got the better of the deal.

So you are saying that Bobby Carpenter is a bust as well since he did even less than McIntosh and the Boys used a 1st round pick on him.

Let's break out the draft value chart and see who made the dumbest pick by your reasoning.

The Skins traded the 53rd and 189th picks in last year's draft and the 37th pick in this year's draft to acquire McIntosh. Those picks values total 630.8 points using the value chart.

The Cowboys used the 18th pick in the entire draft to pick up Carpenter. That pick has a value of 900 points.

Now let's look at their performance. Both players played almost exclusively on ST until late in the season. The difference is that when they both finally got to play McIntosh actually performed recording 17 tackles in the last two games. Carpenter on the other hand had a high of 5 tackles in a game last year and in his only start managed to tally a monstrous 2 tackles.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Hindsight is always 20-20.

Or as Spurrier would say:

Hindsight is 50/50!