What is your feeling on the Bly and draft pick rumors

[chris_c_19960]

I was just wandering what people thought about our Free Agency so Far and also what everyone thought if we gave up our no 6 and Spings for Bly and a coiuple of picks. Me personally I like it if we get him and 2 or 3 picks with it but I also like Springs so I ll go with the feeling that leans with the pro side of this bc Bly really wants to be here and hes younger I just hope that if he gets paid he produces too. What does everyone think

[tizzod]

We give up the #6 for Bly and picks. Not Springs too. We then trade Springs for another pick.

I'd go for it. Provided Bly doesn't want the Gross National Product of the Ukraine.

[Parlett316]

It's crap.

[eb94dt15]

We get Bly their 1st and 2nd for our # 6 overall. Done deal . Then trade Springs to the best offering team for a draft pick . We would improve our team and have a huge draft day .

[LoudMouth12thMan]

No way! Betts for Bly + a second rounder makes sense, but Bly + our 6 and a second and third is....well it's not as tasty. I wouldn't do the latter...Bly is too old to give up the #6 even with a 2nd and 3rd. The 6 is much more valuable than just Bly and a 2nd and 3rd IMO.

HTTR

[robotfire]

I think we should do everything we can to keep Springs.

[SMOSS89]

No way! Betts for Bly + a second rounder makes sense, but Bly + our 6 and a second and third is....well it's not as tasty. I wouldn't do the latter...Bly is too old to give up the #6 even with a 2nd and 3rd. The 6 is much more valuable than just Bly and a 2nd and 3rd IMO.

HTTR

It doesnt matter that Bly is worth a 6 or not cause we're gonna get extra picks, then trade Springs for more picks then trade back up to like 15 or something. The two part move would be monster!

[Lil Kenzo]

We get Bly their 1st and 2nd for our # 6 overall. Done deal . Then trade Springs to the best offering team for a draft pick . We would improve our team and have a huge draft day .

That is a little much. I would say send Springs and our #6 pick to Denver for Bly, their 1st and 2nd. Then draft Amboi Okeye the 19-year-old DT and draft a DE in the second round. If this happens, I think it would be the best off-season that Daniel Snyder has had since owning the Skins.

Think about it, Bly has expressed his desire to play for the skins while Springs refuses to take a pay cut and has a good relationship with Shannahan. Then, we obviously have pressing needs at both DT and DE. If the right moves are made, we could be set on the defensive side of the ball by the end of the draft.

[chris_c_19960]

No Im not for the Betts Trade IM asking on Springsand 6th pick for Bly the Denver pick infirst round and a 2 rd pick and a coditional even(maybe)

[chris_c_19960]

Im with you on this and you have good point

[Taylor 21]

Gosh, I wonder why everbody wants to play in Washington. =P

[Joncevensen]

they choreography will probably be Bly & the Bronco's 1st, 2nd, and fourth, for the #6

then, Springs (or the picks netted for trading Springs) + the Bronco's first rounder to move up to a mid teens pick.

Draft teh Louisville DT, use the 2nd on one of the quality players that fall out of the first, the fourth to pick up a guard, the fifth sixth and seventh for OL and DL depth

[jbooma]

If you use last years draft to see value this is what it would have been:

I would make this trade in a heartbeat

if we look at the draft from last year this is what we would get:

#21 Laurence Maroney RB
#56 Chris Chester G
Bly

for

Vernon Davis TE


You make that trade in a heartbeat :cheers:

[HEavyJumbo85]

I'd personally like to stay away from giving away that number 6 unless we were getting a lot for it. We would have to drop down into the 20's for this to work and I'm assuming we wouldn't get a 2nd round choice in that package. Then with Springs involved, I really don't think they have the value we could and should get when sending the 6th overall choice and our best corner...no chance on this trade.

[Disco Dave]

Trade Springs and Betts to Denver for Bly and Denvers 2nd. round pick and a 3rd. round pick(this years or next years). :logo:

[argentina_redskins]

I don't like it at all. I think Bly is not worth a 3rd round pick in himself. Plus, if we went down to #21, then we wouldn't be able to pick up a premier pass-rusher from the draft.

The only way I would do this trade would be the following:

#6 and Springs

for

#21, #53, #70 and Bly

This way we could pick-up a Defensive End at #21, a Defensive Tackle at #53, an offensive guard at #70, then a middle linebacker in the 5th round to develop under Fletcher, a CB to play dime in the 6th and some O-line depth in the 7th!

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

They are just that: rumors.

I honestly don't care because there are a million different rumors and a million different scenarios possible.

When/if it happens, it does...then I'll care...

[hellonothing86]

Robotfire... "I think we should do everything we can to keep Springs".

I agree 100%, having Springs in our lineup makes our secondary at the caliber that it needs to be at. More and more teams need better corners exspecially our number three Corner because more and more teams are passing. Exspecially in a pass happy division. aka the Eagles. The more I think about it, the more I want Bly and Springs. If we could trade Betts and one of our damn WR's not saying any names or anything (Brandon Lloyd) or (James Thrash) along with next year's third rounder. I would do it as long as the skins don't give multiple picks or a First or second round pick.

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

If we drafed Antrel Rolle, none of this would even be discussed.


*I just remembered he went before we got on the board:doh:

[#98QBKiller]

I think we should do everything we can to keep Springs.



Amen brother. I'm not sold on Bly he's almost as old as Springs and a lot smaller. Plus Springs has been in this system for a few years now and we know he can produce.

[CaptainChaos47]

It amazes me how many people are willing to give up betts in a flash. No way should he be traded to anyone. If portis goes down whos going to run the ball for us??? Bly?? even if we were to draft a running back in the second rd i would disagree with trading betts because he is a proven back and he knows the system. I would do this trade as follows... our 1st rd for Bly, their 1st, and 3rd or 2nd if the were feeling generous or if Bly raises enough of a fuss. Imagine a combo of Springs, Rogers, Smoot and Bly. That would hopefully be the end of our D giving up huge passing plays.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Guys, look at the points

Number 6 pick=1600

Denvers 1st, 2nd, and two 3rd's = 1567

[dfbovey]

I would make the deal in a heartbeat. If the report is true that we would get the Broncos 1st, 2nd and 3rd in addition to Bly... it's a no brainer. Get it done. Then we could trade Springs for a 3rd rounder as well.

Then we could trade back up, take Okoye and then still address multiple needs like Guard, Defensive end and Tight end.

[mistertim]

I would make the deal in a heartbeat. If the report is true that we would get the Broncos 1st, 2nd and 3rd in addition to Bly... it's a no brainer. Get it done. Then we could trade Springs for a 3rd rounder as well.

Then we could trade back up, take Okoye and then still address multiple needs like Guard, Defensive end and Tight end.

How exactly are we going to trade back up to where Okoye is going to be? I've seen some boards that have him surpassing Branch as the top DT in the draft. I think he may very well crack the top 10 when all is said and done. We don't really have the leverage to move that far back up. If we do this trade I'm guessing we're just going to have to settle for a lesser talent, which I think is a mistake.

[CapitalDefense]

It's crap.Exactly..... The post article said they just restructured 3-4 more contracts so something is about to go down, Springs would cost us 7.5 if we trade him, and we have to if we get Bly.

Denver is gonna rape us again, you watch. If it goes down we will get #21 in the first round, our original 3rd rounder back and another overpaid middle aged player to go with our already youthful roster. We will then trade Springs to somebody for a 4th rounder and take a 7.5 million dollar cap hit in the process. We will draft 2 Jim Molinaros with the 3rd and 4th rounders trying to replace Dockery. Denver will get #6 and an absolute stud defensive lineman for the next 10 years, something we actually need.


Yea thats a good deal....:doh:

[phishisthegreatstuff]

Can we even trade springs?? wouldn't the cap hit be too high. If springs cap hit wouldn't be too high we should do as follows. Bly and denvers 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for our 6th pick. then trade springs for prob like a 4th rounder. so we have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, two 4th, and i think a 6th and 7th? then we could trade our 3rd and 4th to get another 2nd. and have a 1st, two 2nds, a 4th, 6th and 7th.

[mrtacconi]

i would do the 6th pick to the broncos for Bly, and their #21, 53, and 70 in a blurr!!! A lot of mock drafts have Adam Carriker falling to pick 21 anyway, and he was pretty damn impressive at the combine. as far as Springs....he is always hurt and he started much drama lately. If we can get a 4th rounder and cap relief from someone i would be all for it. maybe even a 6th rounder. We can free up some dough to make Cooley a lifer....NOW!!!!!

[bedlamVR]

I think this is a BAAAADDDD deal... anyway you look at it.

Trading Spings - cornerstone for the defence in the 2 good years missed a few games sure but is a known quantity and better suited to the system than Bly.

Trading Betts - Trading Betts for Bly is more stupid . Then we would have a crowded backfield at the CB possition it would instantly devalue Springs as teams would now we would need to offload him and significantly weaken the RB possition. It is not even that we would be trading an area of strength for an area of weakness we would be trading to weaken TWO areas of the team because then you have no Portis back up and have to hope Bly can play the system.

I don't even think we wanted Bly in the first place when discussing things with the lions we were essentially in it for picks in a three way trade off and it was a plan B if Smoot was not realeased.

Trading the 6th pick for picks - This always works best on draft day because you cannot predict nearly two months away from the draft who people want and what may be available for the pick. Right now Denvers 1,2,3 may sound ok but there is no garuntee they are offering that and on a points basis we would still be down and 21 in the 1st round is a LOOOONNG way from no 6.

Also who know who would be available at No6. Either of the top two QB may be available, CJ may be there, Peterson may be there, the thing is someone else in the top 10-12 may be willing to give up a lot more to obtain the player they covet than Denver does right now.

[ruralskin]

After last year's performance Betts is diffently 1st round material,Vinny in charge makes me uncomfortable.

[RedBeast]

I think at some point in time we need to pay the piper. Let Springs stay, keep the 6th, and pick the best DL available. We need to anchor the D-line. Find someone to fill in the guard gap, and work that the best we can for this year. They should have locked Dock down early last season, or in camp. Trade Betts? uggh, yea, for Bly their 1st ,2nd , and 3rd...no way. Suck it up and do the best we can in next years draft. We will always have areas of need. Get Danny to spend some money on some better scouts. I feel we have a weak scouting department, and that all starts with the weak Leader who runs the department...VC

[TriangleSkinsFan]

I think if Bly really wants to be in Washington then he will accept the fact that Denver won't extend his contract and play for the Skins in 08 once he becomes a free agent. If he wants to be in DC just for the money then they don't need in the first place. If Bly wants to be in DC beceause he wants to be a Redskin then it will work itself out anyway. EDIT: I just heard on Sirius NFL radio that Dry Bly is from Chesapeake, he be a Skins Fan from way back.

As someone else said before the Denver 1st, 2nd, and TWO 3rds still isn't as valuable as the #6 overall pick from a point status...it's just too far to fall and still get the impact D line player. Maybe if it was Denver's 1st, 2nd, and next years 1st for the #6 overall....maybe

The Skins made the right move in not dealing Springs unless they get the cap relief they need in order for it to make sense.

Betts should never even be a consideration....Let the Broncos work thier backfield magic with someone else.

[Santana_89]

I think this is a BAAAADDDD deal... anyway you look at it.

Trading Spings - cornerstone for the defence in the 2 good years missed a few games sure but is a known quantity and better suited to the system than Bly.

Trading Betts - Trading Betts for Bly is more stupid . Then we would have a crowded backfield at the CB possition it would instantly devalue Springs as teams would now we would need to offload him and significantly weaken the RB possition. It is not even that we would be trading an area of strength for an area of weakness we would be trading to weaken TWO areas of the team because then you have no Portis back up and have to hope Bly can play the system.



:cheers: KEEP SPRINGS!! Keep Betts!!

Let Dre Bly stay in Denver.

[fwo40]

Say no to Bly- he is overrated at this point -and to trade our 6th pick would mean no pass rush in DC this year either.

[SprintBomb]

we dont need to keep springs. to injury prone. i am all for getting picks.

[SprintBomb]

I would hate to see Betts go....but.....if it brings us some draft picks, then I am all for it. I just makes sense long term

[DiscoBob]

This is a case where the longer we wait to pull the trigger, the more we are favored....I doubt Denver want's to go into the season with "rent a player" on Bly. We are in a decent position now.....JOE - Stick to your guns and make sure we come out on top in any trade we do!!!!

[REEM10]

Havent you noticed that the Broncos end up with all of our picks. I tired of it. I say NO!

Get a defensive end in the draft and call it a day!

[Veretax]

I like bly, but no, we need to sit on this one and let Denver eat its own hand and release bly, then sign him out from waivers or something

[CaptChaos86]

I think the pick ups we have made so far have been solid. Smoot and Fletcher and resigning key players is very good. Bly only wants to come here for a paycheck he can stay where he is.

[H@iL2Gibb$]

OT: I was looking at this year's draft order and I noticed NY Giants (20th overall) are picking ahead of the Broncos (21st). Why is that? Didn't the Gints make the playoffs.

[19Skins72]

I'm okay with some of the rumors. If it has to happen I don't want to see us giving up our 6th overall pick unless we get a TON of additional early picks.

[Chanhillbilly]

We'll end up screwed in the deal...

[Heidenreich]

I don't like it.

The cap hits will not be pretty.

I don't have a problem trading down from #6 to get more picks, but dealing Springs will cost us 7.5 mill THIS YEAR. Add that to the contract the Bly is going to sign, and all of a sudden, we're right up against the cap, leaving us little room to do much else, such as extend certain players (#47 comes to mind)

Of course, if we cut Springs, then the cap hit can be pushed back to next year. Trading him would be a cap killer.

[RedzoneHunter]

I'd jump all over pick #'s 21, 56, & 87 + Bly.
Then dump Springs

We're getting away from the #6 and all of the overpriced hype that goes with that pick, but we're not really losing out on a good player because this draft is loaded with good DE's. We could still get DT's Okoye or Tyler, or DE's Carricker, Moss or Spencer, and still have pick #'s 56 & 87 to build depth with.

Jump on this one now!

[Gilligan28]

The rumor is our 6th for bly 1st 2nd and 3rd rounder....when you do trades each player and pick has a value...the 6th pick has a value that when you combine bly and the picks it is even that is how it is approved by the teams and the league. All this betts and springs talk is garbage the skins will not give up betts and i believe they hope springs can restructure and if not traded for another pick.

And oh yeah I would do it in a heart beat. there are several DE's or DT that may be available, and a 2nd round guard should be able to contribute....we might even bea ble to get a SS that can tackle and cover in the 3rd round...it makes sense!!!

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Best trade we will EVER receive. Deal Betts for Bly. No brainer. Sheesh, deja vu

[Gilligan28]

Best trade we will EVER receive. Deal Betts for Bly. No brainer. Sheesh, deja vu



we need betts if portis goes down again...even more importantly we need draft picks for depth and youth

[WorldBFree76]

I don't like it.

Draft picks = fine however. If all this cap room is being made so they can trade Springs for draft picks, then I'm all for it.

I don't know, I just don't think Bly works here.

[gorebd82]

One scenario that no one has mentioned is that we keep Springs after making the trade. The deal I read about said we get Bly, the first, second, and third in exchange for the #6 pick. Springs would most likely restructure his contract if he doesn't get sent to Denver cause no one wants to go to Detroit. We would then move him to FS, play Taylor at SS, and let the three corners compete for the starting spots. We then use the #21 pick on a DE since that position is deep in this draft. And that leaves us with 5 picks to build depth.

[Gilligan28]

I understand his size is an issue being 5'9 but i really think he is able to neutralize a good receiver and with rodgers and smoot whoever is playing is more than able to cover the run...and hopefully with london being a sideline to sideline lb and using the 21st pick to get a de or okoye our lbs will be able to roam free to make the tackles and not leave or CBs on island outside like what happened last year

[Gilligan28]

One scenario that no one has mentioned is that we keep Springs after making the trade. The deal I read about said we get Bly, the first, second, and third in exchange for the #6 pick. Springs would most likely restructure his contract if he doesn't get sent to Denver cause no one wants to go to Detroit. We would then move him to FS, play Taylor at SS, and let the three corners compete for the starting spots. We then use the #21 pick on a DE since that position is deep in this draft. And that leaves us with 5 picks to build depth.

I think that is the ideal situation I am just convinced springs wants out too much and that we will trade him for whatever we can get...remember there is a big difference between restructuring to save cap room and asking a starter to take a paycut.

[SkinsWizCubsDukes]

Once again, the trade rumors expressed in the washington post article were Our 6th pick for, Dre Bly, Broncos first, second, and the TJ duckett trtade third rounder back...

[gorebd82]

With the other deals we just restructured we now have 8.4 million in cap room. That would actually give us some breathing room to bring on Bly and keep Springs. It makes sense to me to restructure his contract if our cap situation doesn't force our hand on a pay cut. And sliding down 15 slots in the draft would also give us some financial flexibility. And maybe we don't get Okoye, but Carriker, Charles Johnson, Quentin Moses, and a lot of other DL will be there at 21. That scenario would leave us with some of the best talent and depth in the league in our back seven. And we wouldn't have a drain on knowledge of the system like past years.

[pjfootballer]

One thing I have noticed with this Denver situation. Who in the hell is Denver so enamored with at #6? DE? DL?

[mistertim]

I'd jump all over pick #'s 21, 56, & 87 + Bly.
Then dump Springs

We're getting away from the #6 and all of the overpriced hype that goes with that pick, but we're not really losing out on a good player because this draft is loaded with good DE's. We could still get DT's Okoye or Tyler, or DE's Carricker, Moss or Spencer, and still have pick #'s 56 & 87 to build depth with.

Jump on this one now!

No, the draft is loaded with "ok" DEs. We could not get Okoye at 21, sorry. Tyler is strong but that is about it. Not big enough to be a 2 gap guy, doesn't have the burst or tackle shedding ability to be a penetrating DT. Carriker isn't bad but will be gone by 21. Moss and Spencer? No thanks. Moss is taller but even lighter than Gaines Adams (6'6 250) with only average speed. He'll get thrown around like a rag doll. Once you get past the top D line picks (Anderson, Branch, Adams, Okoye) the talent level falls quite a bit. We need an impact player, not a space filler.

[bigyim]

i would do the 6th pick to the broncos for Bly, and their #21, 53, and 70 in a blurr!!! A lot of mock drafts have Adam Carriker falling to pick 21 anyway, and he was pretty damn impressive at the combine. as far as Springs....he is always hurt and he started much drama lately. If we can get a 4th rounder and cap relief from someone i would be all for it. maybe even a 6th rounder. We can free up some dough to make Cooley a lifer....NOW!!!!!

To further verify what you said, Mr Tacconi, the Wash. Post suggested last week that the Redskins brass were unimpressed by the Branch at the combine.

also, you have to think that having one DE who weighs less than 265 could hamper the run Defense a little bit...I think they will think twice about getting Gaines Adams because of his size, and I could easily see them dropping down to take Carriker.

[Morneblade]

They are just that: rumors.

I honestly don't care because there are a million different rumors and a million different scenarios possible.

When/if it happens, it does...then I'll care...

Pretty much how I feel about it, other than Im really kinda tired of it by now.....

[Ram-Z]

I think the Redskins should trade Springs and #6 pick for Bly, 1st, 2nd, and two 3rd round picks. (theirs and ours from Ducket trade) Then Trade up all the late rounders for earlier ones and have a beastly draft!

[redskin48]

I would like to see bly a 1st and a 2nd round pick. Then I would trade Springs for the highest pick that I could get. we need to get ride of his cap hit. I like Springs a lot but if he does not want to work with the team and restructure his contract then you have to do what you have to do.

[Warpath81]

It's crap.

Couldn't have said it any better....OK maybe just a little better, but I agree:applause:

[Veretax]

OT: I was looking at this year's draft order and I noticed NY Giants (20th overall) are picking ahead of the Broncos (21st). Why is that? Didn't the Gints make the playoffs.

Teams are ceded by record then when tied by "strength of schedule" regardless of where they finish, except for the two SB attendees that pick last and next to last.


DOn't do it joe! keep what you got and make denver sweat a while :P

[Hiro]

On March 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007), Bly was traded by the Detroit Lions to the Denver Broncos for running back Tatum Bell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatum_Bell), offensive tackle George Foster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foster_%28American_football%29), and a 5th round draft pick. However, it has just been mentioned that Bly is unhappy about being traded to Denver. Supposedly, he wanted to become a Redskin due to the fact that the Redskins were willing to give him a new deal. Denver has told Bly they will not be giving him a new deal, and because of this, it looks like Denver and Washington will be starting negotiations on a deal that could send Shawn Springs to Denver and Dre' Bly to Washington.

Came across this while I was looking up Dre Bly on wikipedia. If Denver's willing to give us their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and our old 3rd for Springs and our 1st, I'd be fine with that actually!

:cheers:

[je21]

so you'd be content with Rogers, Smoot and Jimoh?

[21dave]

I agree completely with Navy Dave. To me, the best team we can put on the field this season is a secondary of Springs/Smoot/Rogers with the best DE available at #6. If we need added CB depth, let's pick up Macklin. We can address the guard position in FA, look at what the Seahawks did when they lost arguably the best Guard in the game last year. They didn't panic and make a short-sided trade. If we want Bly that bed, show some patience and sign him next year when he's a free agent.

Sometimes the best trades are the trades you don't make.