WP:Redskins Target Broncos Bly (merged x4)

[mcees4life]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html

Redskins Target Broncos' Bly
Club Creates Cap Room by Restructuring Additional Contracts

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 7, 2007; Page E04

The Washington Redskins, after netting primary free agent targets linebacker London Fletcher and cornerback Fred Smoot, are poised to acquire cornerback Dre' Bly from the Denver Broncos.

The Redskins were $8.4 million under the cap yesterday before re-signing reserve cornerback Ade Jimoh, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

The Redskins completed another sweeping series of contract restructurings to create the cap room, according to sources -- only two new contracts have been announced by the team thus far -- and remain interested in Bly. Washington attempted to get him from Detroit before he was traded to the Broncos.

The Redskins offered Bly a lucrative contract extension during trade talks, numerous NFL sources said, while Denver has been unwilling to compensate him beyond the $4.2 million base salary he has for 2007.

Bly has told numerous past and present teammates of his desire to play for Washington, and several NFL sources believe the Broncos are willing to part with him. Denver was scheduled to have free agent cornerback David Macklin visit yesterday.

The Broncos and Redskins have been discussing trade possibilities since before the combine last month, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, with Denver coveting Washington's sixth overall pick and the Redskins looking to trade down and reacquire a second- and third- round pick, which were dealt away (the Broncos have the Redskins' third-round selection from the T.J. Duckett trade).

Denver tried to get running back Ladell Betts in the deal, according to sources, but Coach Joe Gibbs has been intent on pairing Betts and Clinton Portis in the backfield next season.

The Redskins were offering veteran cornerback Shawn Springs for Bly, but those talks stalled when Washington asked for additional cap relief to offset Spring's $7.5 million cap charge and Denver declined, sources said. Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency.

Should Denver be willing to essentially replace Wilson with Bly in trade talks, the potential for a deal could be high. Also, the Broncos could still make a play for Springs, whom Washington asked to take a $2 million pay cut, or the Redskins could attempt to trade Springs for draft picks if they acquired Bly.

Given Washington's cap standing, and the fact the team could create an addition $4 million in space by cutting injured kicker John Hall and reserve defensive lineman Renaldo Wynn, absorbing Spring's cap charge would not be prohibitive.

The Redskins began creating cap room by restructuring tackle Jon Jansen's deal last month, giving him a $10 million signing bonus but slashing his 2007 base salary. Backup quarterback Mark Brunell also agreed to a very cap-friendly new contract, with no guaranteed money. Over the weekend the club also announced the extension of guard Randy Thomas's contract, and, sources said, in the process lowered his 2007 cap charge from $5.5 million to $3.3 million. Thomas's deal is nearly identical to Jansen's, according to a source with knowledge of the contract, including a $10 million bonus. Thomas, whose previous contract was voidable after 2007, thus making him eligible for unrestricted free agency next year, is now signed through 2011, the source said.

[talk show host]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html?sub=AR


If the deal proposed in the article is done, we are going to get to screw the broncos over bigtime.

We get:
1. Bly
2. Denvers #21
3. Denvers 2nd rounder
4. Denvers 3rd rounder which they stole from us for the Duck.

Denver gets:
1. To take a huge gamble on a defensive end at our #6, which hopefully will turn out to be a bust to make our revenge extra sweet.

[talk show host]

looks like we posted this at the sametime.

[skinsfan07]

That would be sweet. And at #21, I'm sure someone good will be there. I mean we got Campbell at #25!

[Bonez3]

That doesn't seem to add up to me!?!?

I think we're getting a little too much for #6.

[Cheers, Beers and Mountaineers]

That doesn't seem to add up to me!?!?

I think we're getting a little too much for #6.

who cares, **** the broncos, lets just hope it happens

[SMOSS89]

You should really change the thread title to the name of the article

[argentina_redskins]

That doesn't seem to add up to me!?!?

I think we're getting a little too much for #6.

Nah, to make it a fair deal (just in picks) we should be getting their #1st, 2nd, both of their 3rd and their 5th.

But instead of their late 3rd and late 5th we are getting Bly, which seems fair to me.

Then we could get another 3rd for Springs and maybe use the our former 3rd and pick #21 to get in the top 15 so we could draft Adam Carriker who is a good pass-rusher and strong against the run!

[Rufus T Firefly]

If it's the 1, 2 and 3 with Bly for the 1st, I'll breathe a sigh of relief.

[mcees4life]

great minds think alike.............and you are right, we are gonna get Bly

[Hawkskin]

Man Bly, their 1st 2nd and 3rd for our 6th......in a heartbeat...is that basically what they said...just subbing dre bly for wilson.....

[AKM311]

The funny thing is if we also add Springs, they could give us there other 3rd as well! Now that is a trade I would take.

Also, I love the fact that they wont trade Betts. Shows loyalty after he showed us loyalty.

[SkinsHokieFan]

The Broncos and Redskins have been discussing trade possibilities since before the combine last month, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, with Denver coveting Washington's sixth overall pick and the Redskins looking to trade down and reacquire a second- and third- round pick, which were dealt away (the Broncos have the Redskins' third-round selection from the T.J. Duckett trade).

Denver tried to get running back Ladell Betts in the deal, according to sources, but Coach Joe Gibbs has been intent on pairing Betts and Clinton Portis in the backfield next season.

The Redskins were offering veteran cornerback Shawn Springs for Bly, but those talks stalled when Washington asked for additional cap relief to offset Spring's $7.5 million cap charge and Denver declined, sources said. Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency.

Should Denver be willing to essentially replace Wilson with Bly in trade talks, the potential for a deal could be high. Also, the Broncos could still make a play for Springs, whom Washington asked to take a $2 million pay cut, or the Redskins could attempt to trade Springs for draft picks if they acquired Bly.

So if I get this correct

The Broncos may be willing to part with Bly, their 1st, 2nd and the 3rd they took from us, for our number 6 overall pick?

I would take that deal in a heart beat. That deal does NOT include Springs

[mcees4life]

Betts ain't going nowhere........he's a Redskin. Gibbs knows how valuable it is to have two good running backs

[cmorina69]

plz be true, i dont think we need Bly but i think it would be good to have him 3 good cbs and springs is fine by me.

[talk show host]

You should really change the thread title to the name of the article

do you think the mods would mind if i changed it to say, "We're about to **** the ******** broncos"? :laugh:

[jbooma]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html?sub=AR


If the deal proposed in the article is done, we are going to get to screw the broncos over bigtime.

We get:
1. Bly
2. Denvers #21
3. Denvers 2nd rounder
4. Denvers 3rd rounder which they stole from us for the Duck.

Denver gets:
1. To take a huge gamble on a defensive end at our #6, which hopefully will turn out to be a bust to make our revenge extra sweet.

You have to make that trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SkinsDukes]

I would take that deal in a heart beat. That deal does NOT include Springs

Absolutely we take it in a heartbeat if they offer.....then turn around and unload Springs to the highest bidder. Would give us a good amount of first day picks to maneuver around with.

[HEavyJumbo85]

That doesn't seem to add up to me!?!?

I think we're getting a little too much for #6.

:shhh: I think it's okay to let this one go, I mean it is in our favor...

[skinsfan07]

who cares, **** the broncos, lets just hope it happens

:laugh: So true!

[Tarhog]

Must......not........post........'Signed: Dre Bly' thread..........

[skinsngibbs4life]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html?sub=AR


If the deal proposed in the article is done, we are going to get to screw the broncos over bigtime.

We get:
1. Bly
2. Denvers #21
3. Denvers 2nd rounder
4. Denvers 3rd rounder which they stole from us for the Duck.

Denver gets:
1. To take a huge gamble on a defensive end at our #6, which hopefully will turn out to be a bust to make our revenge extra sweet.

actually, the funny thing is, point wise, that trade is actually pretty close in value.(actually, we still give up a tad more points then denver)

[All In]

I think this is are best chance to dump Springs for a decent pick. Springs wants to play for Shannahan and we need to get something for him, even a 4th or two lower picks. I think it's best for us to make this deal as large as possible.

Better we do this now and develop a good strategy going into the draft. There will be a lot of players we really need that can contribute.

[XxSpearheadxX]

That would be sweet. And at #21, I'm sure someone good will be there. I mean we got Campbell at #25!

The differences between us drafting a top rate Safety or D-Lineman at 21 and #6 don't seem that big to me for some reason this year. Usually I'm like the most anti-trade down fan of all, but this year I just feel a shrug.

To me? Laron Landry, Patrick Willis and Paul Pozluszny are the three impact defensive players in the draft, and they will definately be around in the 15-25 pick range, as well as Tank Tyler, Leon Hall, the guy from syracuse, Jarvis Moss Charles rogers, Baraka Atkins and others.

[talk show host]

plz be true, i dont think we need Bly but i think it would be good to have him 3 good cbs and springs is fine by me.

I dont mind losing our #6. a pick that high is such a huge gamble. besides, if we had had a good season and made the playoffs, we would be drafting in the 20s anyways.

also, i think the idea is that we trade springs as well. I think he could garner a 4th rounder.

In the end, think about this: We could end up with a FULL COMPLIMENT OF DRAFT PICKS AND DRE BLY and all we would be losing is shawn springs and trading down 15 spots in the 1st round. This could be the sweetest deal ever.

[Aston]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html?sub=AR


If the deal proposed in the article is done, we are going to get to screw the broncos over bigtime.

We get:
1. Bly
2. Denvers #21
3. Denvers 2nd rounder
4. Denvers 3rd rounder which they stole from us for the Duck.

Denver gets:
1. To take a huge gamble on a defensive end at our #6, which hopefully will turn out to be a bust to make our revenge extra sweet.Wow. This sounds too good to be true. OMG could Okoye or the one of the other big 3 fall that far? 2nd AND 3rd? And we keep Betts?

Who do they want so bad??

[Bounce]

Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency.

We... we turned that deal down?!

:doh:

[All In]

How good is Dre Bly? Are there any clips of him out there?

[XxSpearheadxX]

Wow. This sounds too good to be true. OMG could Okoye or the one of the other big 3 fall that far? 2nd AND 3rd? And we keep Betts?

Who do they want so bad??

I forgot about Okoye..... Maybe they want to draft a RB?:laugh: Who knows...

I would guess they want to draft Ted Ginn Jr.

[talk show host]

Wow. This sounds too good to be true. OMG could Okoye or the one of the other big 3 fall that far? 2nd AND 3rd? And we keep Betts?

Who do they want so bad??

I think they want the same guy we would take if we stayed at 6: whichever Defensive line player arizona doesnt take.

[BuryYourDuke]

I read the article, but I seriously doubt we can get a strong cb, a late 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd rounder for the #6 pick...if that happens I have a whole lot of flux capacitors and Florida swamp land to sell to the Denver front office.

[SkinsDukes]

I dont mind losing our #6. a pick that high is such a huge gamble. besides, if we had had a good season and made the playoffs, we would be drafting in the 20s anyways.

also, i think the idea is that we trade springs as well. I think he could garner a 4th rounder.

In the end, think about this: We could end up with a FULL COMPLIMENT OF DRAFT PICKS AND DRE BLY and all we would be losing is shawn springs and trading down 15 spots in the 1st round. This could be the sweetest deal ever.

I think there is a decent chance you could get better than a 4th for Springs. I'd say almost certainly someone would offer up a 3rd for him, and if there were a bidding war between two CB hungry teams you might be able to pry a 2nd rounder away from someone for him.

[freeseantaylor2k6]

We get:
1. Bly
2. Denvers #21
3. Denvers 2nd rounder
4. Denvers 3rd rounder which they stole from us for the Duck.
Denver gets:
1. To take a huge gamble on a defensive end at our #6, which hopefully will turn out to be a bust to make our revenge extra sweet.

I think if we added a mid round pick from a trade involving Springs, this deal would be as good as done. While I would love to see Branch or Anderson in B&G, i would rather have 3 or 4 potential starters.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I read the article, but I seriously doubt we can get a strong cb, a late 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd rounder for the #6 pick...if that happens I have a whole lot of flux capacitors and Florida swamp land to sell to the Denver front office.


Well you have to look at the points

Basically our number 6 pick= Denver's 1st, 2nd and two 3rd round picks

Hence why Bly would be thrown in there. Starting corners are probably only worth 3rd round picks, considering you can't get a 1st for a QB anymore

[Tarhog]

I dont mind losing our #6. a pick that high is such a huge gamble. besides, if we had had a good season and made the playoffs, we would be drafting in the 20s anyways.

also, i think the idea is that we trade springs as well. I think he could garner a 4th rounder.

In the end, think about this: We could end up with a FULL COMPLIMENT OF DRAFT PICKS AND DRE BLY and all we would be losing is shawn springs and trading down 15 spots in the 1st round. This could be the sweetest deal ever.


All picks are gambles, and we've not exactly shown any particular 'gift' in our ability to make mid-late round picks pan out.

If the best case offer here is true, I don't see how you can refuse it though. Beyond a 'blockbuster' offer we 'can't refuse' though, I'd prefer we stay where we're currently at.

[skinsfan07]

I read the article, but I seriously doubt we can get a strong cb, a late 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd rounder for the #6 pick...if that happens I have a whole lot of flux capacitors and Florida swamp land to sell to the Denver front office.

Hey, anything can happen!

[talk show host]

We... we turned that deal down?!

:doh:

if we substitue bly instead it works out even better for us... b/c we got fletcher in free agency. there were plenty of MLBs going to be available in free agency, but only one quality corner who would be rediculously expensive. plus the MLB we wanted was familiar with the system. in the end, this could be one of the best trades in recent memory for this franchise.

[skins84]

what the hell?

we turned down al wilson???

[spanishomelette]

actually, the funny thing is, point wise, that trade is actually pretty close in value.(actually, we still give up a tad more points then denver)
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192355
(1) WSH #6 - 1600

(1) DEN #21 - 800
(2) DEN #56 - 340
(3) DEN #70 - 240 (TJ Duckett trade)
Bly ends up a 220 to make the difference...He's worth a 3rd rounder chart-wise

[rdavis2005]

We... we turned that deal down?!

:doh:
I'm thinking the same thing.

[TK]

You should really change the thread title to the name of the article


do you think the mods would mind if i changed it to say, "We're about to **** the ******** broncos"? :laugh:
Yes.


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Hence the merged threads.

[skinsngibbs4life]

How good is Dre Bly? Are there any clips of him out there?
former pro bowler with some injury issues...

detriot was originally asking for a 3rd rounder when trying to deal him

[rdavis2005]

(1) WSH #6 - 1600

(1) DEN #21 - 800
(2) DEN #56 - 340
(3) DEN #70 - 240 (TJ Duckett trade)
Bly ends up a 220 to make the difference...He's worth a 3rd rounder chart-wise
That sounds good. We should accept nothing less than this trade.

[Zen-like Todd]

Just FYI Dre Bly turns 30 in a couple of months. He's only two years younger than Springs.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Dre Bly is a favorite of mine. I heard someone here say they don't like him though... one of the mods I think.

I'm gonna sit back on this one... though the juices are starting to flow, I'm scared to get excited this year....

[soljaofjesus]

Lets close this thread now and forever so the Bronocs won't see that we will be getting the upper hand bigtime!

[rdavis2005]

Well you have to look at the points

Basically our number 6 pick= Denver's 1st, 2nd and two 3rd round picks

Hence why Bly would be thrown in there. Starting corners are probably only worth 3rd round picks, considering you can't get a 1st for a QB anymore
agreed

[talk show host]

All picks are gambles, and we've not exactly shown any particular 'gift' in our ability to make mid-late round picks pan out.

If the best case offer here is true, I don't see how you can refuse it though. Beyond a 'blockbuster' offer we 'can't refuse' though, I'd prefer we stay where we're currently at.

All picks are gambles, but the higher you draft, the more likely you expose yourself to a "big bust." also, picks that high are rediculously expensive... and you dont even know what youre getting.

all your picks below the top 10-15 come fairly cheap, so even if half of them are busts, its very limited exposure. unless there is a reggie bush type player, i would never ever want a draft pick in the top 10.

[skinsngibbs4life]

I read the article, but I seriously doubt we can get a strong cb, a late 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd rounder for the #6 pick...if that happens I have a whole lot of flux capacitors and Florida swamp land to sell to the Denver front office.

although it seems like a rape at first, the points dont lie.

[XxSpearheadxX]

former pro bowler with some injury issues...

detriot was originally asking for a 3rd rounder when trying to deal him

Yet they got Tatum bell, a 2nd rounder and a starting Right tackle? Somehow I think your info on what Detroit was asking might be a little off, of no fault of your own I'm sure

[Tarhog]

All picks are gambles, but the higher you draft, the more likely you expose yourself to a "big bust." also, picks that high are rediculously expensive... and you dont even know what youre getting.

all your picks below the top 10-15 come fairly cheap, so even if half of them are busts, its very limited exposure. unless there is a reggie bush type player, i would never ever want a draft pick in the top 10.

I understand what you're saying, but adopting a philosophy of 'we're too frigging incompetent to pick a talent worthy of the 6th selection in the draft, so we better rid of that mofo, and quick' just strikes me as a little off :)

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

Backup quarterback Mark Brunell also agreed to a very cap-friendly new contract, with no guaranteed money.

Brunell is being a good sport about this. He must realize his day are numbered. I can't help to comment on how he is a team player

[tizzod]

I'm thinking the same thing.

Read it again. It was PERHAPS a second rounder. If it has gone from "Perhaps" to "hell yeah" with bly now, I don't see the problem.

Take it. In a second.

[SkinsDukes]

Yet they got Tatum bell, a 2nd rounder and a starting Right tackle? Somehow I think your info on what Detroit was asking might be a little off, of no fault of your own I'm sure

Which is why if that's the market that has been established I think its possible we could net a 2nd for Springs from somewhere. If Bly commanded a 2nd and two possible starters for Detroit I'd start the bidding with a 2nd for Springs, and then work down to a 3rd if necessary.

[talk show host]

Yes.




Hence the merged threads.

well i got all of that except the verbatim title. i havent posted here in a while, so i'm a little rusty. sorry! :(

[Dana87]

We... we turned that deal down?!

:doh:
Your darn right. We don't need to have to teach the QB of our defense the system when we already knew we were going after a guy that could step in the first OTA and know exactly how our Defense works. The picks alone are not enough for the 6th pick.

[All In]

Well you have to look at the points

Basically our number 6 pick= Denver's 1st, 2nd and two 3rd round picks

Hence why Bly would be thrown in there. Starting corners are probably only worth 3rd round picks, considering you can't get a 1st for a QB anymore

This is why I would see Springs for Bly straight up, and the 6th for the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 3rd.

This works out best for both teams.

[SMOSS89]

Brunell is being a good sport about this. He must realize his day are numbered. I can't help to comment on how he is a team player

For sure, Brunell has really helped out. It also said that CP and Moss helped out, but I dont think it affected their gauranteed money. Brunell truly is a class guy, he wants to be a Redskins and IS a core Redskin.

[TK]

Must......not........post........'Signed: Dre Bly' thread..........
* :)

[Dana87]

I read the article, but I seriously doubt we can get a strong cb, a late 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd rounder for the #6 pick...if that happens I have a whole lot of flux capacitors and Florida swamp land to sell to the Denver front office.

If you use the Draft value chart that most of the NFL GM's are using you will see this trade is very equal.

[Tarhog]

Note Dana87's address :laugh:

Swampdealer....

[SkinsHokieFan]

This is why I would see Springs for Bly straight up, and the 6th for the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 3rd.

This works out best for both teams.


Although I still say Springs>Bly

Lets see if we can get one more pick out of it ;)

[talk show host]

I understand what you're saying, but adopting a philosophy of 'we're too frigging incompetent to pick a talent worthy of the 6th selection in the draft, so we better rid of that mofo, and quick' just strikes me as a little off :)

well my viewpoint is that with our current philosophy, we get impact starters in free agency. then we use the draft to get depth. in the past, we've never had draft picks, so that whole philosophy has just been lip-service. with a full compliment of draft picks, we can pick up dept along our offensive and defensive lines, TE, and maybe even a corner or runningback.

[SkinsFanMania]

I read the article, but I seriously doubt we can get a strong cb, a late 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd rounder for the #6 pick...if that happens I have a whole lot of flux capacitors and Florida swamp land to sell to the Denver front office.

Hmmm, maybe we could give Denver the flux capaxitors and Florida swamp land instead of the #6 pick.

[LiveStrongSkins]

I will freak out if we get Okeye and Anthony Spencer.

[spanishomelette]

Note Dana87's address :laugh:

Swampdealer....
Sorry, Dana. Your cover is blown.

[skinsfan93]

For those who don't think this could happen, remember Shanahan and Portis. Portis was upset over his contract and instead of signing him to a new deal, he traded him to us.

If Bly seems like he won't be a happy camper, I see the Broncos trying to unload him. The proposed trade with the 2nd rounder thrown in makes sense to me.

It is still even considering we are getting an older player who will make a decent amount of cash.

[terpfan]

Wilson is overrated. I'd rather have Bly.

I'd take that suggested trade in a heart beat. Hell, if need be we could even trade back UP a bit and try to land Okoye.

[SkinsFanMania]

Did the Redskins hire a GM and forget to make the announcement or is this a once in a lifetime move for Gibbs, Snyder and Vinnie.

[phishisthegreatstuff]

not to mention that if we get bly were going to trade springs and get even more picks.

[Zen-like Todd]

Yet they got Tatum bell, a 2nd rounder and a starting Right tackle? Somehow I think your info on what Detroit was asking might be a little off, of no fault of your own I'm sure


I believe it was a fifth round pick.

[FranchiseTY11]

That doesn't seem to add up to me!?!?

I think we're getting a little too much for #6.


And you have a problem with that???

[SkinsHokieFan]

I will freak out if we get Okeye and Anthony Spencer.

That would make me very happy

By dropping down we may be able to get our draft of D-line, O-line and LB with our first 3 picks

[jbooma]

This is how it would look using last years draft:

I would make this trade in a heartbeat

if we look at the draft from last year this is what we would get:

#21 Laurence Maroney RB
#56 Chris Chester G
#86 David Thomas TE
Bly

for

Vernon Davis TE


Yes you must make this deal :cheers:

[One Shot]

I really hope I come home from school this week, check redskins.com, and read "Redskins acquire Broncos' Bly through trade" with the trade option shown in the article. That would be amazing.

[All In]

Wilson is overrated. I'd rather have Bly.

I'd take that suggested trade in a heart beat. Hell, if need be we could even trade back UP a bit and try to land Okoye.

I have a feeling that is exactly what we are trying to do. We drop down close enough where we can trade back up if he is available in the mid first, or we take the best player available at OG/DE/DT. For this though we need draft picks to trade this year, meaning we need to package Springs in this deal. HE is key for this be successful for us.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Yet they got Tatum bell, a 2nd rounder and a starting Right tackle? Somehow I think your info on what Detroit was asking might be a little off, of no fault of your own I'm sure

They didn't get a 2nd rounder. They traded up from the 6th round to the 5th round. Foster was a starting RT, but a bad one. Was probably going to be cut. T. Bell is a change of pace back in a market where Thomas Jones just netted a 3rd round pick value.

So, yes, that all added up to about a 3rd rounder.

[nemocystem]

what the hell?

we turned down al wilson???

I was thinking the same thing :D


just wondering though...if, for some strangely wonderful reason this trade happens & we are shopping around Springs for somebody else.........

just a thought, but what about the CB starved KC Chiefs for disgruntled Jared Allen & maybe a mid-early rounder from next year's draft?

it's almost too good to be true. if we could pull that off, we get ample opportunity to pick up a DT in Amobi Okoye with the #21, we get a younger CB in Bly who doesn't get injured as much & has a knack for the INT. we get a 2nd rounder & an early (our former) 3rd rounder!!! that opens up the possibility even to get a lower priced man-eater DT & instead use the #21 for a safety like Reggie Nelson (if he falls) or Michael Griffin (sorry guys, don't think Landry makes it this far back).

then, with most or all of our major defensive needs filled we could look at a TE or WR in either the 2nd or 3rd rounds. possibly getting somebody like Steve Smith or Robert Meachem.

this could really give us an opportunity to add alot of depth. i'm keeping my fingers crossed on this one...especially since he wants to come here so badly. you can't go wrong picking up guys that WANT to come play for you.

[SkinsDukes]

I believe it was a fifth round pick.

I think you're right Todd, for some reason I too was thinking it was a higher pick than that. Hopefully though getting two starters and a pick for Bly still sets the market relatively high for Springs.

[Fifty Gut]

"Denver tried to get running back Ladell Betts in the deal, according to sources, but Coach Joe Gibbs has been intent on pairing Betts and Clinton Portis in the backfield next season."

:applause:

[Parlett316]

Good lord.

[LiveStrongSkins]

The only thing this whole team is missing is young blood on both lines. It looks like we will be able to put a huge dent in that in this years draft. I will be extremely happy coming into this year. The only thing that makes me nervous will be teams with bigger receivers. Bly, Smoot, and Rogers arent exactly bigger corners. Hopefully a better pass rush will disguise it.

[talk show host]

Check out this thread they started in the broncos message board.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=87998


Redskins: Building the Denver Franchise

Our Two Franchise Players have practically been handed to us by the Redskins.
First they gave us Champ for a guy who they don't know how to use and proceeded to destroy his body. I'll be amazed if C-Po ever is the same again.
Secondly they gave us the pick that we traded to get Cutler, our franchise QB.

Whatever happens with this Bly thing, I know one thing for sure. It will end bad for the skins and good for us.

are they in for a rude awakening or what

[spanishomelette]

Y'all think we're going to use all those picks...in the draft? Bwahahaha We're going to trade up, up, up! or get some more vets!

[Dana87]

All picks are gambles, and we've not exactly shown any particular 'gift' in our ability to make mid-late round picks pan out.

If the best case offer here is true, I don't see how you can refuse it though. Beyond a 'blockbuster' offer we 'can't refuse' though, I'd prefer we stay where we're currently at.

2006
2. Rocky McIntosh, LB, Miami
5. Anthony Montgomery, DT, Minnesota
6. Reed Doughty, S, Northern Colorado
6. Kedric Golston, DT, Georgia
7. Kili Lefotu, OL, Arizona
7. Kevin Simon, LB, Tennessee

2005
1. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn
4. Manuel White, Jr., RB, UCLA
5. Robert McCune, LB, Louisville
6. Jared Newberry, LB, Stanford
7. Nehemiah Broughton, RB, The Citadel

2004
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami (Fla.)
3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State
5. Mark Wilson, OL, California
6. Jim Molinaro, OL, Notre Dame

2003
2. Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida
3. Derrick Dockery, G, Texas
7. Gibran Hamdan, QB, Indiana

2002
1. Patrick Ramsey, QB, Tulane
2. Ladell Betts, RB, Iowa
3. Rashad Bauman, CB, Oregon
3. Cliff Russell, WR, Utah
5. Andre Lott, S, Tennessee
5. Robert Royal, TE, LSU
6. Reggie Coleman, T, Tennessee
7. Jeff Grau, LS, UCLA
7. Greg Scott, DE, Hampton
7. Rock Cartwright, FB, Kansas St.

2001
1. Rod Gardner, WR, Clemson
2. Fred Smoot, CB, Mississippi St.
4. Sage Rosenfels, QB, Iowa St.
5. Darnerien McCants, WR, Delaware St.
6. Mario Monds, DT, Cincinnati

I actually think we have done fairly well. Most of these mid round picks saw considerable playing time. Some have moved on to other teams and are starting and most are still in the league. I think you looked at every team in the NFL you will find similar results. Now that's not to say we can't do better, but I feel good about what we've done. And remember Taylor Jacobs was Spurrier's pick

[Brotherz]

How are we getting a reliable guard and defensive end that can make animpact at some point next year with this deal. I get why its sweet. It makes us younger, we shift our philosophy from high priced older free agents (although Fletcher seems to suggest otherwise IMO) BUT have you watched the combine? If we can get Gaines Adams with that #6 pick I don't see how we get away from that opportunity. What are we gonna get with our 21 overall 1st pick? Adams, Anderson, Branch - ALL GONE. We need a pass rush. We got SMoot to sure up the secondary and we do currently have springs and rogers too. Roderick hood is out there right now isn't he. Cheap, good and young. Why do we NEED Dre Bly? We do NEED a pass rushing defensive end. I guess I just started to have my heart set on see Andre Carter and Gaines Adams coming off their respective edges and seeing how much better our secondary holds up when they can't run in the middle and the QB can't take more than a 3 step drop back cause they'll get killed or opponents can only send three players out on routes because they have to max protect. Our secondary got TORCHED because our safety play was horrific and our corners couldn't handle isolation on a receiver for 10 seconds with the likes of donovan mcnabb, jeff garcia, tony romo, etc. We seta franchise record for fewest sacks in a season!! I just don't know how we address our NEEDS with an extra 2 and a 3.

[skinsfan07]

Check out this thread they started in the broncos message board.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=87998



are they in for a rude awakening or what

Yes they are.

i think they're still bitter over the ass whooping we gave them in the SB. :laugh:

[skinsngibbs4life]

"Denver tried to get running back Ladell Betts in the deal, according to sources, but Coach Joe Gibbs has been intent on pairing Betts and Clinton Portis in the backfield next season."

:applause:

now that is something I absolutly love to hear :cheers:

[JimmiJo]

Lord in Heaven make it so.

[Manasseh]

Yet they got Tatum bell, a 2nd rounder and a starting Right tackle? Somehow I think your info on what Detroit was asking might be a little off, of no fault of your own I'm sure

I'm not sure where you got these terms. According to the articles below, the Lions received Bell, Foster, and a 5th round pick in exchange for Bly and a 6th round pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2789996
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-03-01-lions-broncos-trade_x.htm



not to mention that if we get bly were going to trade springs and get even more picks.

Why trade Springs? If we have the cap room to support it, I would love to have Springs, Bly, Rogers, Smoot, and Jimoh as our corners. And I would much prefer Springs to a 3rd round pick.

[Aston]

Check out this thread they started in the broncos message board.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=87998



are they in for a rude awakening or whatHahaha... good for you Broncos!! We're definately coming out on top and they know it!!

Another Broncos thread. (http://www.broncosfreak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23099&page=2)

One of the guys mentions we get their #21, next year's second, this year's third and Bly. Just as well, imo.

[skinsngibbs4life]

I'm not sure where you got these terms. According to the articles below, the Lions received Bell, Foster, and a 5th round pick in exchange for Bly and a 6th round pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2789996
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-03-01-lions-broncos-trade_x.htm




Why trade Springs? If we have the cap room to support it, I would love to have Springs, Bly, Rogers, Smoot, and Jimoh as our corners. And I would much prefer Springs to a 3rd round pick.
7.5 million for an injury prone corner is just something I dont think this team really wants to do

[mistertim]

The differences between us drafting a top rate Safety or D-Lineman at 21 and #6 don't seem that big to me for some reason this year. Usually I'm like the most anti-trade down fan of all, but this year I just feel a shrug.

To me? Laron Landry, Patrick Willis and Paul Pozluszny are the three impact defensive players in the draft, and they will definately be around in the 15-25 pick range, as well as Tank Tyler, Leon Hall, the guy from syracuse, Jarvis Moss Charles rogers, Baraka Atkins and others.

Can't say I really agree with this. First of all, I think we need to go D line, not LB or Safety. Secondly, there is a major dropoff in talent after the top D line picks. The guys you named are completely "so-so" talent wise. Tank Tyler is strong but he isn't a huge 2 gap DT like Branch, nor does he have the explosiveness and block shedding ability to be a penetrating QB pressure DT like Okoye. Jarvis Moss is an extremely lanky guy with average speed. He is 6'6 250 lbs. He might be able to put on weight, but I doubt the 20 or more lbs he would need to to hold his own as a 4-3 DE in the NFL without losing speed. Charles Rogers is shorter but a bit heavier but doesn't have much of a burst so can't beat very good Tackles on the edge and he played opposite Quentin Moses who generally got more of the O line attention. Speaking of Moses, he would probably be there at 21 too. He is a light, slow underachiever who would also have to put on weight. Baraka Atkins? He is a mid rounder at best. He isn't a very good pass rusher and I've read about personality and work ethic problems. He was benched for a while last seasons I think.

I'd really rather stick with 6 and pick up Anderson, Branch, or Okoye. I know this offer is hard to resist but our D line needs an impact player, not a guy who would probably just sort of "hold his own" or might end up being completely worthless (too small, etc). The top guys for D line have a much better chance of being impact players than the guys later. And Dre Bly? He isn't that good. I remember reading a scouting report on him that someone posted on ES recently. Said he was a good cover corner but was undersized so he could get manhandled near the LOS by big receivers and couldn't redirect them. It also said he was pretty much uninterested in run support, missed open field tackles, got cocky, and sometimes seemed totally indifferent. Sorry, no thanks.

Hopefully we won't be in this high of a draft spot again any time soon. IMO we should take advantage of it and try to get a game changer as opposed to trying to recoup a couple picks we stupidly gave away. This year lets use the #6 pick and then next year, when we have a full draft lineup, go for as much depth as possible.

:2cents:

[Brotherz]

I was thinking the same thing :D


just wondering though...if, for some strangely wonderful reason this trade happens & we are shopping around Springs for somebody else.........

just a thought, but what about the CB starved KC Chiefs for disgruntled Jared Allen & maybe a mid-early rounder from next year's draft?

it's almost too good to be true. if we could pull that off, we get ample opportunity to pick up a DT in Amobi Okoye with the #21, we get a younger CB in Bly who doesn't get injured as much & has a knack for the INT. we get a 2nd rounder & an early (our former) 3rd rounder!!! that opens up the possibility even to get a lower priced man-eater DT & instead use the #21 for a safety like Reggie Nelson (if he falls) or Michael Griffin (sorry guys, don't think Landry makes it this far back).

then, with most or all of our major defensive needs filled we could look at a TE or WR in either the 2nd or 3rd rounds. possibly getting somebody like Steve Smith or Robert Meachem.

this could really give us an opportunity to add alot of depth. i'm keeping my fingers crossed on this one...especially since he wants to come here so badly. you can't go wrong picking up guys that WANT to come play for you.

:applause: Is there some way we can put you in the front office? I LOVE this plan!!! My biggest fear was that if we did this deal we woudl pass up on a pass rusher since gaines and anderson will be gone at 21. Your plan is terrific.

[FuriousD]

Can someone explain to my why we are so enamored with Bly? I thought Williams liked his corners big and physical. Bly is small! Small with a lot of miles on him. Small with a lot of miles and a BIG contract coming! Not sure why they are so high on him?

Don't get me wrong, I'd do the deal. Mainly for the picks but it sounds like Bly has been on the radar for some time.

BTW, Samuals and Arrington were both picked higer than #6 and they didn't exactly pan out value-wise. I would definately do the trade and stock up on players.

[Dana87]

Did the Redskins hire a GM and forget to make the announcement or is this a once in a lifetime move for Gibbs, Snyder and Vinnie.
If this trade actually goes down You need to give credit where credit is due.

[Rufus T Firefly]

OK, before everyone goes too far in celebrating how bad we're screwing Denver over, try this exercise:

Pretend the follwing are eggs-

0 0 0 0 0 0

Now, how many chickens is that?

[fdarugar]

The only way I would pull the trigger on this would be for the 1st/2nd/3rd and Bly .... anything else just would not be enough for Bly.

[TheLongshot]

One of the guys mentions we get their #21, next year's second, this year's third and Bly. Just as well, imo.

That is the deal that's most likely, IMO. That way, the Broncos get a full compliment of picks this year. I'll still take it.

Jason

[Rufus T Firefly]

I was thinking the same thing :D


just wondering though...if, for some strangely wonderful reason this trade happens & we are shopping around Springs for somebody else.........

just a thought, but what about the CB starved KC Chiefs for disgruntled Jared Allen & maybe a mid-early rounder from next year's draft?

it's almost too good to be true. if we could pull that off, we get ample opportunity to pick up a DT in Amobi Okoye with the #21, we get a younger CB in Bly who doesn't get injured as much & has a knack for the INT. we get a 2nd rounder & an early (our former) 3rd rounder!!! that opens up the possibility even to get a lower priced man-eater DT & instead use the #21 for a safety like Reggie Nelson (if he falls) or Michael Griffin (sorry guys, don't think Landry makes it this far back).

then, with most or all of our major defensive needs filled we could look at a TE or WR in either the 2nd or 3rd rounds. possibly getting somebody like Steve Smith or Robert Meachem.

this could really give us an opportunity to add alot of depth. i'm keeping my fingers crossed on this one...especially since he wants to come here so badly. you can't go wrong picking up guys that WANT to come play for you.

Umm, yeah. Allen for Springs? And I assume WE would be giving the mid round pick? Even so, KC would laugh at that offer. Probably to the point of pulling a muscle.

And they have Surtain and Law. If they're "CB starved", it's for young ones, not another old injury risk.

[Dana87]

Y'all think we're going to use all those picks...in the draft? Bwahahaha We're going to trade up, up, up! or get some more vets!
Your a real buzz kill.

[mistertim]

if we could pull that off, we get ample opportunity to pick up a DT in Amobi Okoye with the #21

I'm sorry to burst your bubbles, guys, but Okoye is not going to be anywhere near #21. With the way his stock is rising I wouldn't be surprised if he cracked the top 10 or at the very least was close to it. Only way we could get back up there after being at #21 is trading back up but what do we have to offer that could get us back up to around #10 or so? If we trade down that far we are simply going to have to live with a lesser talent.

[Yusuf06]

Mistertim is exactly right. The Broncos pick is too low for us to get an impact DL player. Carriker will be long gone by #21 and Okoye will be so far gone he'll be in bed by #21.

We need to keep our powder dry and see who falls to #6 and make a deal THEN if we want to trade down. Besides, if we're all that pressed about getting Bly, we could have him without giving up any picks at all IF we're smart about it. (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3573518&postcount=246)

[Merlin Emrys]

The problem w/ just subbing Bly for Wilson is that the deal was discussed before the Broncos had given up a pick to get Bly. I don't know if they'd go that high now. I hope they do, b/c the deal in the article would be a hose job.

**edit**
I see know that the Broncos actually swapped their 6th rd. pick for the Lions' 5th. So, picks wouldn't be a prob.

[SkinsFanMania]

If this trade actually goes down You need to give credit where credit is due.

That's exactly what I'm doing and why I stated this.

[spanishomelette]

I'm sorry to burst your bubbles, guys, but Okoye is not going to be anywhere near #21. With the way his stock is rising I wouldn't be surprised if he cracked the top 10 or at the very least was close to it. Only way we could get back up there after being at #21 is trading back up but what do we have to offer that could get us back up to around #10 or so? If we trade down that far we are simply going to have to live with a lesser talent.
We can trade up by giving up '08 1st (Sorry, Dana :))

[nemocystem]

Umm, yeah. Allen for Springs? And I assume WE would be giving the mid round pick? Even so, KC would laugh at that offer. Probably to the point of pulling a muscle.

And they have Surtain and Law. If they're "CB starved", it's for young ones, not another old injury risk.

yes, it would be our mid-rounder (next year) or early-rounder (2-3rd, something like that). KC could use the depth & would add a quality CB who would probably start over Law (talk about gettin up in years).

it is true that they need more youth at that spot, but (see Jets teams coached by Herm) Edwards likes the older "cagey" vet DB's for his system. not too mention...it's not like they can really be too picky...there's not much in the way of quality DB's on the market anymore, especially in terms of youth & Jared Allen has already demanded a trade or release...face it, HE WANTS OUT!

that lowers some of their leverage & really, it's not a bad trade. heck...we might even be able to just pick up his RFA contract (1st & 3rd compensation) & either keep Springs or trade him still for another 3rd. how's that work!

[SkinsFanMania]

I'm sorry to burst your bubbles, guys, but Okoye is not going to be anywhere near #21. With the way his stock is rising I wouldn't be surprised if he cracked the top 10 or at the very least was close to it. Only way we could get back up there after being at #21 is trading back up but what do we have to offer that could get us back up to around #10 or so? If we trade down that far we are simply going to have to live with a lesser talent.

I believe either Okoye or Carriker will be around at #15 to 18 and we may trade back into position to nab him on draft day. The only way we will be able to accomplish this is if we trade Springs after acquring Bly or it is part of a blockbuster trade with Denver.

[Skinsinparadise]

[QUOTE=tizzod]Read it again. It was PERHAPS a second rounder. If it has gone from "Perhaps" to "hell yeah" with bly now, I don't see the problem.


Yeach exactly "perhaps" to me means maybe the Skins want it and Denver didn't budge but didn't slam the door. Denver has shown that they are patient at striking the right deal especially when it comes to us. I am guessing they sense when we get overeager as we often do, we cave.

Hope am wrong but am guessing why should this time be different and we cave And DON'T get a second rounder but just a third rounder or Denver haggles with us and just gives up their 2nd.

[nemocystem]

I'm sorry to burst your bubbles, guys, but Okoye is not going to be anywhere near #21. With the way his stock is rising I wouldn't be surprised if he cracked the top 10 or at the very least was close to it. Only way we could get back up there after being at #21 is trading back up but what do we have to offer that could get us back up to around #10 or so? If we trade down that far we are simply going to have to live with a lesser talent.

actually, most boards have him going at #24 right now. look at needs...I don't think it's that bad of a reach & besides. picking up Allen enables us to move Wynn to the DT spot or pick up a cheap, plug-in depth type DT (the Bengals have just the guy in Shaun Smith) & be done with the DL & focus on a Safety or WR.

[JorgeSkins]

Just a thought, but if we did the proposed deal in the article, we would definitely have a log-jam at corner. It would be a given that we HAVE to move Springs because of the cap hit he represents, (and remember one of the main reasons that Dre Bly wants to be a Redskin is because we are offering him a new deal), and so teams MIGHT choose not to acquire Springs via trade, and bank on the fact that we would have to release him if there are no takers in the trade market... just a thought.

[TheLongshot]

Just a thought, but if we did the proposed deal in the article, we would definitely have a log-jam at corner. It would be a given that we HAVE to move Springs because of the cap hit he represents, (and remember one of the main reasons that Dre Bly wants to be a Redskin is because we are offering him a new deal), and so teams MIGHT choose not to acquire Springs via trade, and bank on the fact that we would have to release him if there are no takers in the trade market... just a thought.

Thing is, Springs isn't going to be cheap, especially since there will be competition. A team may get a better deal if they just trade for him, rather than compete with other teams.

Jason

[Staylor21]

If this proposal is true which i'm pretty sure is why didn't the Redskins jump at it you would have got a proven middle linebacker and young player,a 1st back,second,and maybe 3rd for are 6th overall,and a player. Why would they take a 32 year over a 26 or 27 year old pro bowl player. This really doesn't make sense at all to me. Can someone pease explain how you dont do this trade.

"Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency."

[Skins4481]

Hahaha... good for you Broncos!! We're definately coming out on top and they know it!!

Another Broncos thread. (http://www.broncosfreak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23099&page=2)

One of the guys mentions we get their #21, next year's second, this year's third and Bly. Just as well, imo.

LOL look at this idiot...


I posted this on another thread, but...any takers?

We trade Bly and our #21 and a second rounder

To Washington for their #6 and Carlos Rogers, their young cornerback.

[bubba9497]

If this proposal is true which i'm pretty sure is why didn't the Redskins jump at it you would have got a proven middle linebacker and young player,a 1st back,second,and maybe 3rd for are 6th overall,and a player. Why would they take a 32 year over a 26 or 27 year old pro bowl player. This really doesn't make sense at all to me. Can someone pease explain how you dont do this trade.

"Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency."


link?


and I doubt the Bronco would give away Wilson

[skinfan2k]

WOW this offeseason with the broncos is getting interesting. Is there a new rule I have yet to here about that Wash and Den must do a trade every offeseason

[spanishomelette]

link?


and I doubt the Bronco would give away Wilson
It is in the WP article.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html?sub=AR

[bubba9497]

It is in the WP article.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html?sub=AR



:doh: missed it


Still doubt Wilson was trade bait

[SkinsDukes]

link?


and I doubt the Bronco would give away Wilson

Its in the Post article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html?sub=AR

[phatSkins27]

From Washingtonpost.com:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html

Redskins Target Broncos' Bly

Club Creates Cap Room by Restructuring Additional Contracts



By Jason La Canfora (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/jason+la+canfora/)
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 7, 2007; Page E04


The Washington Redskins, after netting primary free agent targets linebacker London Fletcher and cornerback Fred Smoot, are poised to acquire cornerback Dre' Bly from the Denver Broncos.

The Redskins were $8.4 million under the cap yesterday before re-signing reserve cornerback Ade Jimoh, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
The Redskins completed another sweeping series of contract restructurings to create the cap room, according to sources -- only two new contracts have been announced by the team thus far -- and remain interested in Bly. Washington attempted to get him from Detroit before he was traded to the Broncos.

The Redskins offered Bly a lucrative contract extension during trade talks, numerous NFL sources said, while Denver has been unwilling to compensate him beyond the $4.2 million base salary he has for 2007.

Bly has told numerous past and present teammates of his desire to play for Washington, and several NFL sources believe the Broncos are willing to part with him. Denver was scheduled to have free agent cornerback David Macklin visit yesterday.

The Broncos and Redskins have been discussing trade possibilities since before the combine last month, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, with Denver coveting Washington's sixth overall pick and the Redskins looking to trade down and reacquire a second- and third- round pick, which were dealt away (the Broncos have the Redskins' third-round selection from the T.J. Duckett trade).

Denver tried to get running back Ladell Betts in the deal, according to sources, but Coach Joe Gibbs has been intent on pairing Betts and Clinton Portis in the backfield next season.

The Redskins were offering veteran cornerback Shawn Springs for Bly, but those talks stalled when Washington asked for additional cap relief to offset Spring's $7.5 million cap charge and Denver declined, sources said. Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency.

Should Denver be willing to essentially replace Wilson with Bly in trade talks, the potential for a deal could be high. Also, the Broncos could still make a play for Springs, whom Washington asked to take a $2 million pay cut, or the Redskins could attempt to trade Springs for draft picks if they acquired Bly.

Given Washington's cap standing, and the fact the team could create an addition $4 million in space by cutting injured kicker John Hall and reserve defensive lineman Renaldo Wynn, absorbing Spring's cap charge would not be prohibitive.

The Redskins began creating cap room by restructuring tackle Jon Jansen's deal last month, giving him a $10 million signing bonus but slashing his 2007 base salary. Backup quarterback Mark Brunell also agreed to a very cap-friendly new contract, with no guaranteed money. Over the weekend the club also announced the extension of guard Randy Thomas's contract, and, sources said, in the process lowered his 2007 cap charge from $5.5 million to $3.3 million. Thomas's deal is nearly identical to Jansen's, according to a source with knowledge of the contract, including a $10 million bonus. Thomas, whose previous contract was voidable after 2007, thus making him eligible for unrestricted free agency next year, is now signed through 2011, the source said.

Also, the Redskins reworked the contracts of Portis and star wide receiver Santana Moss, converting large portions of their 2007 base salaries to bonuses, which become guaranteed but can also be prorated for cap purposes. The players lose no money in the transaction, and Portis's cap figure went from $7.1 million to $4 million, according to sources, while Moss's charge was lowered from $5 million to $3.2 million.

Owner Daniel Snyder has been willing to make a strong financial commitment every year to frontload contracts and provide additional bonuses to players in order to lower cap charges, which in turn keeps the team aggressive in the trade and free agent market.

Redskins Notes: Free agent offensive lineman Luke Petitgout, who visited Washington Monday, agreed to a three-year deal with Tampa Bay yesterday.

The Redskins have been in contact with free agent guard Adam Timmerman, his agent said, and although some in the organization believe the 35-year-old may be beyond his productive stage, he remains a possibility to replace departed Derrick Dockery.

"We've had some discussions and we're waiting to hear back from them," said Timmerman's agent, Mark Bartelstein. The Redskins have also had limited discussions with free agent lineman Sean Mahan, his agent said, but no visits was planned and the player is traveling to other clubs. Veterans Ruben Brown and Cosey Coleman are other starting guards on the market . . .

Cornerback Fred Smoot's deal is actually worth a maximum of $21 million over five years and not $25 million, as previously reported, according to sources. Smoot received $7 million to sign and the deal is essentially worth $11.5 million over three years. . . . Safety Vernon Fox received a $300,000 signing bonus as part of the three-year deal he received over the weekend, sources said, and will earn the veteran minimum in base salary.

[Califan007]

" Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency."


Holy crap...

[Rufus T Firefly]

yes, it would be our mid-rounder (next year) or early-rounder (2-3rd, something like that). KC could use the depth & would add a quality CB who would probably start over Law (talk about gettin up in years).

it is true that they need more youth at that spot, but (see Jets teams coached by Herm) Edwards likes the older "cagey" vet DB's for his system. not too mention...it's not like they can really be too picky...there's not much in the way of quality DB's on the market anymore, especially in terms of youth & Jared Allen has already demanded a trade or release...face it, HE WANTS OUT!

that lowers some of their leverage & really, it's not a bad trade. heck...we might even be able to just pick up his RFA contract (1st & 3rd compensation) & either keep Springs or trade him still for another 3rd. how's that work!

Yeah. Law is a whopping one year older than Springs. That hardly constitutes a youth movement. And he didn't just miss half a season with injury.

KC is not looking for a CB, and they're not going to give away Jared Allen.

[HailfrmDEN]

Denver wants to trade up for branch. My sources say. And right now i'm sittin on him

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

" Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency."


Holy crap...






WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[goldenster95]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html?sub=AR


If the deal proposed in the article is done, we are going to get to screw the broncos over bigtime.

We get:
1. Bly
2. Denvers #21
3. Denvers 2nd rounder
4. Denvers 3rd rounder which they stole from us for the Duck.

Denver gets:
1. To take a huge gamble on a defensive end at our #6, which hopefully will turn out to be a bust to make our revenge extra sweet.

When did Mike Ditka become Denver's GM?

[phatSkins27]

If you use the Draft value chart that most of the NFL GM's are using you will see this trade is very equal.
If you look at all the measureables and ways to judge talents by most NFL GM's Mario Williams was the next Julius Peppers and Vince Young wasnt very good either!
:D
We could and probable still will get the DL with the most potentional who could work in starting rotation from day one and is a 19 year old freak. I mean I havent seen a DT like that since Mann and we could make him a redskin for life as well as get one of the top 3 guards in the draft with a 2nd or even third rounder, another player that could develop into a starter after a year or two(Rocky McIntosh and Smoot were 2nd rd and Cooley was a 3rd), and all kinds of leverage with springs and dealing him.

Speaking of Springs didnt coach say he liked shawn and he felt he would be a great safety for us? Why not keep him in at Safety with ST21 and dump Arch(whatever it takes). with bly, rodgers, smoot, and ST21 and springs for our defensive backfield we will eat Donovan, Tony Homo, and Peyton's Retard brother alive back there!

:dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck
:logo:

[SkinSabbath]

NFL live reported the story from the WP about Bly wanting to be a Redskin... I know it could just be hype but if it's on TV it must be true, right!? :doh:

Man I hope this deal heats up, we might be able to make some magic...

Then Neil Everett made a funny joey porter ENTOURAGE reference like Bob Ryan: "What if I could give you a 20mil$ contract, is that something you might be interested in?" :laugh: :laugh:

[twenty-eight]

Dealing with the Broncos makes me nervous. I dont wanna get hossed:(

[21Knock_U_Out]

There is a Bly thread already you could have posted this in. :)

[Enter Apotheosis]

There is a Bly thread already you could have posted this in. :)

Now that its been pointed out, I got nothing else to say...












:paranoid:
















Patrick Ramsey.

[21Knock_U_Out]

Now that its been pointed out, I got nothing else to say...












:paranoid:
















Patrick Ramsey.Me too.......oh wait. :doh:

[CapitalDefense]

Denver is gonna rape us again, you watch. If it goes down we will get #21 in the first round, our original 3rd rounder back and another overpaid middle aged player to go with our already youthful roster. We will then trade Springs to somebody for a 4th rounder and take a 7.5 million dollar cap hit in the process. We will draft 2 Jim Molinaros with the 3rd and 4th rounders trying to replace Dockery. Denver will get #6 and an absolute stud defensive lineman for the next 10 years, something we actually need.

yea thats a good deal....:doh:

[Never21Forgotten36]

Denver is gonna rape us again, you watch. If it goes down we will get #21 in the first round, our original 3rd rounder back and another overpaid middle aged player to go with our already youthful roster. We will then trade Springs to somebody for a 4th rounder and take a 7.5 million dollar cap hit in the process. We will draft 2 Jim Molinaros with the 3rd and 4th rounders trying to replace Dockery. Denver will get #6 and an absolute stud defensive lineman for the next 10 years, something we actually need.

yea thats a good deal....:doh:


Tell us what you really think.....

[tn_skin_fan_21]

i dunno whatever we do just hope it works out this upcoming season.

[Arsenic]

Sometimes it just seems like we'll go after anyone and everyone who's available, or we trade just for the sake of "doing deals" regardless if they fit our team or not. Vinny C "This Dre Bly guy has a nice fancy name let's get em'"

What ever happened to adding players that fit into our system? I thought Gregg liked big physical corners that could press the receivers at the line and also help in the run game?

When I think of Dre Bly, I think of a little guy who gets pushed around but is good in coverage, who knows, maybe I'm wrong.


To me, something just doesn't seem right about this Bly guy, i've never been a big fan of him- he's been in Denver for a day or two and he's already becoming a problem.

However, I would love to get more draft picks.

[lovetoaster]

Denver is gonna rape us again, you watch. If it goes down we will get #21 in the first round, our original 3rd rounder back and another overpaid middle aged player to go with our already youthful roster. We will then trade Springs to somebody for a 4th rounder and take a 7.5 million dollar cap hit in the process. We will draft 2 Jim Molinaros with the 3rd and 4th rounders trying to replace Dockery. Denver will get #6 and an absolute stud defensive lineman for the next 10 years, something we actually need.

yea thats a good deal....:doh:

There is one difference this time, we are in the drivers seat in negotiations with those Mile High d-bags. Don't get me wrong, we always could botch it, but we should have more negotiating power this time.

[Truant]

I'm not too excited about this. If one of the Blue Chip players falls to #6, you can hold a team hostage and not have to drop down too far in the first round. As far as I can tell, there are 5 studs in this draft (Russell, Quinn, Johnson, Thomas, Peterson)

Bly is 30 and we'd have to dump a large contract on him. Add the fact that we'd likely have to move Springs and take a cap hit, we'd be hurting our future again.

I like the idea of picking up more picks, but taking on another 30 something with an massive contract is asking either Cooley or Taylor to leave.

To defend Bly, he can lay a whooping on receivers. He's comparable to Winfield up in Minn. He's not big by any standards, but he's aggressive and a playmaker. He has 7 forced fumbles over the last two years. That's impressive for a 5' 9" corner.

[spanishomelette]

...

To me, something just doesn't seem right about this Bly guy, i've never been a big fan of him- he's been in Denver for a day or two and he's already becoming a problem.
You have to figure that he's upset because he expected to get a new contract with the 'Skins, but was hijacked in his mind by Denver. They stole his "quan".

[Arsenic]

You have to figure that he's upset because he expected to get a new contract with the 'Skins, but was hijacked in his mind by Denver. They stole his "quan".

I'm finding more and more from reading about this guy, that he's more of a physical corner than I originally thought.

It's usually the signings that I don't like that turn out to be good ;)

[Lil Kenzo]

I don't really care what we do or how we do it. Just as long as I see progress from this team during the regular season, I'll be happy. I want to see this team moving forward from here on out. No more of this trade him, cut him, restructure him, sign him. It needs to stop. JUST WIN BABY!

[clathel]

If we keep Springs and Bly and Rogers and Smoot, then have Jimoh and Fox to get Gatorade for them, then we will have a scary DB corps and 2 Gatorade gophers.
Get OL help with the second and third pick that we get from the Broncs and a DE in the first and we will be golden.

[frommd]

I'm not too excited about this. If one of the Blue Chip players falls to #6, you can hold a team hostage and not have to drop down too far in the first round. As far as I can tell, there are 5 studs in this draft (Russell, Quinn, Johnson, Thomas, Peterson)

Bly is 30 and we'd have to dump a large contract on him. Add the fact that we'd likely have to move Springs and take a cap hit, we'd be hurting our future again.

I like the idea of picking up more picks, but taking on another 30 something with an massive contract is asking either Cooley or Taylor to leave.

To defend Bly, he can lay a whooping on receivers. He's comparable to Winfield up in Minn. He's not big by any standards, but he's aggressive and a playmaker. He has 7 forced fumbles over the last two years. That's impressive for a 5' 9" corner.

I would bet if this deal goes down it will be done at the podium on draft day. Especially if the Broncos are targetting Branch. They will want to wait and make sure the player they are looking for is there.

[azmodeus13]

Sometimes it just seems like we'll go after anyone and everyone who's available, or we trade just for the sake of "doing deals" regardless if they fit our team or not. Vinny C "This Dre Bly guy has a nice fancy name let's get em'"

What ever happened to adding players that fit into our system? I thought Gregg liked big physical corners that could press the receivers at the line and also help in the run game?

When I think of Dre Bly, I think of a little guy who gets pushed around but is good in coverage, who knows, maybe I'm wrong.


To me, something just doesn't seem right about this Bly guy, i've never been a big fan of him- he's been in Denver for a day or two and he's already becoming a problem.

However, I would love to get more draft picks.

I have a problem with your idea that we are going "after anyone"... they have been a lot more circumspect this year and have allowed almost everyone to leave with no contract... it seems the FO is looking but not offering the house to all the FA coming to town... they are attempting to cut the age of the secondary and beef it up and gain draft picks - bly could be a very good pick up

he's had 33 interceptions in the last 8 years I believe... we had 6 last year with no one having more than 1 (Springs has had 27 ints in 10 seasons btw)

he wanted to go to the Skins, and the lions screwed him by trading him to a team who won't even renegotiate his contract while the Skins were offering him a nice deal

And if we could move down in the age range from 32 to 29 that would be great as well - move Springs to the broncs and pick up another pick or two...

yeah we'll take a hit on the cap, but realistically, we can afford it if what the post is reporting is true about several more contracts being reworked that haven't been announced and with Hall and Wynn possibly being cut...

This will give us a much younger secondary with people who are proven interceptors and allow us to concentrate on the lines in the draft which is (especially the d line) where we need the most help

we have a very good WR corps, two backs capable of going over 1000 yards in a season, an up and coming qb, a terrific line even with the loss of Dock, good te/fb, a very nice lb crew, and with the addition of bly a very nice secondary.

Some o line depth in the later rounds and a couple of man mountains at DT would really improve the heck out of our team...

[ST21]

The only part about this deal I did not like was the part where they said...Washington offered Bly a lucrative contract extension. That could be scary!! Right when I thought the FO might go the right direction, it looks like they are going to put all their eggs in one basket. Can the FO for once sign a deal for the going price of a player and not set the market??

[HoyaSkins28]

i think this year we may be able to be the champion of the offseason for real if this happened

[Chris Worthy]

The only part about this deal I did not like was the part where they said...Washington offered Bly a lucrative contract extension. That could be scary!! Right when I thought the FO might go the right direction, it looks like they are going to put all their eggs in one basket. Can the FO for once sign a deal for the going price of a player and not set the market??

They will probaly give him a back loaded contract, high signing bonus.
I didnt like the Adam trade info but this one got you rubbing your chin. :)
Oh and I would still keep Springs. Smoot, Bly, Rogers and Springs looks better than we had in a while. But I guess if they get Bly more leverage goes to the front office to move Springs.

[TaylorPickSix]

I am fully in support of this deal, as long as Betts stays off the trading board. I'm definitely down for what they have suggested though.

[pointyfootball]

There is one difference this time, we are in the drivers seat in negotiations with those Mile High d-bags. Don't get me wrong, we always could botch it, but we should have more negotiating power this time.

How do you figure? What do the skins have to offer? I guess they could give next year's picks, but no way they get rid of their #1 this year - too high.

[70th Week]

keep springs and move him to safety, use the picks for the d-line and we truly are the champions of the offseason.

[RedBeast]

For this to happen we need to have some good scouting to produce value with these picks and I am not comfortable with our FO when it comes to finding talent beyond the obvious choices. Who is Denver so hot for?

[Mr. S]

im sure someone already mentioned it, but Al Wilson, the 21st pick, a 3rd rounder, AND possibly a 2nd rounder for our #6 pick? That would indeed be robbery in our favor, I don't know why we didn't bite. We coulda just traded Wilson away again for a 3rd rounder or something. Shoot, Ill just love a flat out trade with no Wilson, Denver 1,2,3 for our 1.

If this is indeed true, that is just foolish to pass up. Shoulda gotten Wilson, still signed Fletcher, and traded Wilson away, no cap hit since Denver already swallowed it.

[Ingtar]

Wow. If this deal goes down as posted, it would be great for us. We would almost have a full draft again. This would allow us to address the age and depth on either side of the ball and fill our holes on the d-line and probably grab a good guard!

[Smooter]

Or move Fletcher to OLB and keep Wilson.

I heard Bly, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick -for- 6th overall pick

[Prosperity]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html?sub=AR


If the deal proposed in the article is done, we are going to get to screw the broncos over bigtime.

We get:
1. Bly
2. Denvers #21
3. Denvers 2nd rounder
4. Denvers 3rd rounder which they stole from us for the Duck.

Denver gets:
1. To take a huge gamble on a defensive end at our #6, which hopefully will turn out to be a bust to make our revenge extra sweet.


That would amazing... has to be too good to be true

[fansince62]

the only trade down I see as viable is with the three teams at 7, 8 and 9. That way we pick up a 2nd or 3rd and still get a top 10 pick likely to be a DL. Perhaps all the Bronco talk is simply to stir the fire under these other teams.

[G-Prime]

im sure someone already mentioned it, but Al Wilson, the 21st pick, a 3rd rounder, AND possibly a 2nd rounder for our #6 pick? That would indeed be robbery in our favor, I don't know why we didn't bite. We coulda just traded Wilson away again for a 3rd rounder or something. Shoot, Ill just love a flat out trade with no Wilson, Denver 1,2,3 for our 1.

If this is indeed true, that is just foolish to pass up. Shoulda gotten Wilson, still signed Fletcher, and traded Wilson away, no cap hit since Denver already swallowed it.

Yeah I almost cried when I saw we turned that down.. but I don't think they were offering their number 1.

[skinfan2k]

lets force their hand and stand firm until closer to the draft

[G-Prime]

Or move Fletcher to OLB and keep Wilson.

I heard Bly, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick -for- 6th overall pick

eh.. I dunno

[Smooter]

When I saw us potentially getting Al Wilson I literally jumped 20 feet in the air.

[Mr. S]

Or move Fletcher to OLB and keep Wilson.

I heard Bly, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick -for- 6th overall pick

Fletcher can't be moved to OLB, that is not his natural position nor what Williams wants him to do.

Bly, first, and 2nd would suit me just fine for just our 6th. If they want Springs, they need to throw in both 3rd rounders they have.

[phatboy41]

Bly, first, and 2nd would suit me just fine for just our 6th. If they want Springs, they need to throw in both 3rd rounders they have.

I feel the same about this... Bly, a 1st and 2nd for our #6 pick, would be a great deal for us, I think with that deal we'd really screwing be them, but I have no complaints about that.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I'm not too excited about this. If one of the Blue Chip players falls to #6, you can hold a team hostage and not have to drop down too far in the first round. As far as I can tell, there are 5 studs in this draft (Russell, Quinn, Johnson, Thomas, Peterson)

Bly is 30 and we'd have to dump a large contract on him. Add the fact that we'd likely have to move Springs and take a cap hit, we'd be hurting our future again.

I like the idea of picking up more picks, but taking on another 30 something with an massive contract is asking either Cooley or Taylor to leave.

To defend Bly, he can lay a whooping on receivers. He's comparable to Winfield up in Minn. He's not big by any standards, but he's aggressive and a playmaker. He has 7 forced fumbles over the last two years. That's impressive for a 5' 9" corner.

I don't agree.

When I've considered that we may trade our #6 pick, I couldn't even fathom receiving a starting player, a 1st, a 2nd, and possibly a 3rd for it.

If we can somehow pull this trade off, we gain two picks and a player to move down 20 spots in the draft. When our biggest need position is DL and every DL available is considered a reach at #6, this move makes sense to me.

Maybe I'm just dumb!

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

The only thing this whole team is missing is young blood on both lines. It looks like we will be able to put a huge dent in that in this years draft. I will be extremely happy coming into this year. The only thing that makes me nervous will be teams with bigger receivers. Bly, Smoot, and Rogers arent exactly bigger corners. Hopefully a better pass rush will disguise it.

That's why you have Sean Taylor doubling up on the larger WR's.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

i know that Dre Bly was a pretty big prospect coming out of NC, but i haven't followed his career too much since he's been in the doldrums of Detroit. anyone have any thoughts on this guy's true talent level, tendencies, and who he may compare to?

[mosstothehouse]

Springs is one of the top corners when healthy, but he is very rarely and we need some consistency at that position because coach williams demands alot of this position and bly would bring about the same quality but less likely to be injured.

[Smooter]

i know that Dre Bly was a pretty big prospect coming out of NC, but i haven't followed his career too much since he's been in the doldrums of Detroit. anyone have any thoughts on this guy's true talent level, tendencies, and who he may compare to?
I guess Champ Bailey without the amazing coverage. Bly gets a lot of interceptions and pretty much scares QBs to throw his way. But he does gamble sometimes and gets beat bad by a WR.
note: I've only seen him play like 3 times though.

[Veretax]

I don't believe the broncos would part with THAT many picks, unless there is something in the FO of the Broncos We arent aware of

Okay here's a thought, could the FO be wanting to load up on picks with the hopes of trading to get back into the top 12 picks?

Could that happen?

[21dave]

Mistertim is exactly right. The Broncos pick is too low for us to get an impact DL player. Carriker will be long gone by #21 and Okoye will be so far gone he'll be in bed by #21.

We need to keep our powder dry and see who falls to #6 and make a deal THEN if we want to trade down. Besides, if we're all that pressed about getting Bly, we could have him without giving up any picks at all IF we're smart about it. (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3573518&postcount=246)

I like this analysis. Let's keep Springs for this season, and release him next year. Then, when Bly is a free agent, we can pick him up without having to give up our 6th pick. I'd rather add a Jamal Anderson or a Gaines Adams impact DE with a secondary of Springs/Smoot/Rogers than hold our breath and hope Okoyi is on the board at 21, or package a 2nd rounder to move up to get him.

[Darth Tater]

Well you have to look at the points

Basically our number 6 pick= Denver's 1st, 2nd and two 3rd round picks

Hence why Bly would be thrown in there. Starting corners are probably only worth 3rd round picks, considering you can't get a 1st for a QB anymore
You also have to consider that Bly is a 'rent-a-player' for the Broncos. They may have gotten him so they can swing this deal. I really wonder who they're so hot for at the 6 spot?

[rdavis2005]

They didn't get a 2nd rounder. They traded up from the 6th round to the 5th round. Foster was a starting RT, but a bad one. Was probably going to be cut. T. Bell is a change of pace back in a market where Thomas Jones just netted a 3rd round pick value.

So, yes, that all added up to about a 3rd rounder.
Yeah the Broncos website at the end of the year had Foster as a backup, he would fetch about what Arch would get us draft pick wise at best a 6th rounder. Tatum Bell fumbled and choked so much that he couldn't keep Mike Bell a rookie undrafted free agent on the bench, if Jones went for a 3rd rounder Bell is worth no more than a 4th rd pick. So Detroit bascically got some of Denver's scrubs who they were going to replace anyway, who at best totaled a 4th rd, 6th rd and a swap of a low 5th w/ a high 6th rd pick(s).

[rdavis2005]

Denver is gonna rape us again, you watch. If it goes down we will get #21 in the first round, our original 3rd rounder back and another overpaid middle aged player to go with our already youthful roster. We will then trade Springs to somebody for a 4th rounder and take a 7.5 million dollar cap hit in the process. We will draft 2 Jim Molinaros with the 3rd and 4th rounders trying to replace Dockery. Denver will get #6 and an absolute stud defensive lineman for the next 10 years, something we actually need.

yea thats a good deal....:doh:
That's what I'm afraid of too. Don't forget we end up giving Bly a 50+ million dollar contract. There's no way Denver is going to give us the proper pick value back.

[jamesbondman]

Why oh why are the Redskin stocking up on the greatest secondary in history when they have no pass rush and all those corners are going to get toasted after the QB sits back there for 5 seconds?

Doesn't matter who owns the team or who is coaching it, this is the same team that refuses to draft defensive linemen, always drafts or trades for corners and safeties, and always is home watching the playoffs while teams like New England draft linemen and continue to make the playoffs.

Rediculous. They sure are slow to catch on here in Washington.

[Isifhan]

Doesn't matter who owns the team or who is coaching it, this is the same team that refuses to draft defensive linemen, always drafts or trades for corners and safeties, and always is home watching the playoffs while teams like New England draft linemen and continue to make the playoffs.

Uh, I think the whole point of this whole trade situation is to allow us to draft a DL. Do you think if we trade for Bly we are going to draft a corner?

[Utah]

Out of curiosity, what if our #6 pick were to end up like Merrimen (sp) from the Chargers?

Would it still be a good trade?

[Flycoach]

The Washington Post said that the Broncos & 'skins might swap 1st rounders, with the 'skins getting Bly and the Broncos 2nd and 3rd rounder. The Trade Chart that a lot of NFL teams use has the 6th pick worth 1,600 "points" and the 21st pick worth 800. The Broncos 2nd rounder is worth 340 and their high 3rd (they have two 3rd rounders) is worth 240. So that would be 1380 points for the picks, plus the value of Bly. If the Broncos offer that, the 'skins should jump at it.

:dallasuck

[DRSmith]

Why oh why are the Redskin stocking up on the greatest secondary in history when they have no pass rush and all those corners are going to get toasted after the QB sits back there for 5 seconds?

Doesn't matter who owns the team or who is coaching it, this is the same team that refuses to draft defensive linemen, always drafts or trades for corners and safeties, and always is home watching the playoffs while teams like New England draft linemen and continue to make the playoffs.

Rediculous. They sure are slow to catch on here in Washington.

Great sceondaries and great linebackers, will make up for any weaknesses in our D line as is it gets stronger.

[fansince62]

Great sceondaries and great linebackers, will make up for any weaknesses in our D line as is it greats stronger.


"any" weaknesses? you're kidding right?

[Flycoach]

LIke I said before, if the Broncos offer all of those picks, the 'skins should jump at it.
:point2sky

[fansince62]

Out of curiosity, what if our #6 pick were to end up like Merrimen (sp) from the Chargers?

Would it still be a good trade?


just what bulldog has been saying.

another winner...ding...ding....ding!!!

[fansince62]

You also have to consider that Bly is a 'rent-a-player' for the Broncos. They may have gotten him so they can swing this deal. I really wonder who they're so hot for at the 6 spot?

finally! someone asks what I have been wondering...who are they so hot for?

[Dirk Diggler]

the only trade down I see as viable is with the three teams at 7, 8 and 9.

Thing is, those teams wouldn't want to trade until draft day. They would want to be sure their guy (Quinn or Cal Johnson) is still on the board. Why trade up now, only to have someone just hop over you to #5 on draft day?

[tr1]

We just tied up Thomas, re-structured Portis, Jansen, etc.

We might land Bly and a #1, #2 and #3 for our #1. That looks like four players for one. Somebody pinch me...this can't be true.

Contrary to popular (or unpopular) opinion, I think this could be our best off-season in many years.

Thanks God we have the cash to convert salary to bonus...

Cap Hell? No way.

Kudos to the FO.

[ntotoro]

Great sceondaries and great linebackers, will make up for any weaknesses in our D line as is it greats stronger.

Well... not really.

[Blue Collar Skins]

finally! someone asks what I have been wondering...who are they so hot for? Personally I think they are hot for CJ, but I think if we were to get all those picks we need to jump on it. Bly, Rogers, and Smoot. Draft Okoye, HB Blades, and a DE or CB in the 3rd. HB Blades would have a couple years under Fletcher to learn from him before starting, Okoye could have an immediate impact, and possibly the DE / CB from the 3rd.

One impact player does not make a team. I think we have great building blocks to not only make a run this year but in years to come if we develop our own as we are making a run now. I truly like what Gibbs is doing this off-season. He got his core group and is building around it.

[fansince62]

Thing is, those teams wouldn't want to trade until draft day. They would want to be sure their guy (Quinn or Cal Johnson) is still on the board. Why trade up now, only to have someone just hop over you to #5 on draft day?


you're right...I'm looking at it from the Skins perspective: get an extra pick...and still draft one of the top 3 guys onour draft board. that, to me, would be the best of all possible worlds if we are committed to trading down...

[DRSmith]

"any" weaknesses? you're kidding right?

Yep as we develop another good/great DT and DE our linebackers can catch any one coming through the line and our safeties can help in pass coverage.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Flecter is the guy Greg Williams wanted but looking over Al Davis' stats I can't help but 2nd guess him. I guess we will see how it turns out during the season. Al is a few years younger, and it seems like he's played in EVERY game since 1999. Has a few sacks here and there, and a few picks, lots of tackles... probably wouldn't have had to sign him to a HUGE deal... I don't get it.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133451

[fansince62]

Personally I think they are hot for CJ, but I think if we were to get all those picks we need to jump on it. Bly, Rogers, and Smoot. Draft Okoye, HB Blades, and a DE or CB in the 3rd. HB Blades would have a couple years under Fletcher to learn from him before starting, Okoye could have an immediate impact, and possibly the DE / CB from the 3rd.

One impact player does not make a team. I think we have great building blocks to not only make a run this year but in years to come if we develop our own as we are making a run now. I truly like what Gibbs is doing this off-season. He got his core group and is building around it.

I kinda like where things are headed....won't know until after the draft what the full gameplan was...so I'll withhold judgment. only disagreement I have with ya is I think we are still a year away. I factor the 2008 draft into my thinking.

as for CJ....you think he will be there at #6?

[JetSkins]

this is gonna end up just like the Archuleta signing

[frommd]

Thing is, those teams wouldn't want to trade until draft day. They would want to be sure their guy (Quinn or Cal Johnson) is still on the board. Why trade up now, only to have someone just hop over you to #5 on draft day?

I hope we wait until draft day also. You never know when someone will get desperate on trying to move up (ala Mike Ditka).

[21dave]

Well... not really.

Right. The missing piece with this defense is a stud pass rusher, not another CB. I say we draft Jamal Anderson and keep Springs this season. If the team is so hot for Dre Bly, we can sign him next year as a FA. We can find a replacement for Dockery in FA off the scrap heap. Hell, maybe we can convince Ray Brown to come back for one last hurrah.

[21dave]

I hope we wait until draft day also. You never know when someone will get desperate on trying to move up (ala Mike Ditka).

Yeah, but there is a reason Mike Ditka is currently working for ESPN.

[Blue Collar Skins]

I kinda like where things are headed....won't know until after the draft what the full gameplan was...so I'll withhold judgment. only disagreement I have with ya is I think we are still a year away. I factor the 2008 draft into my thinking.

as for CJ....you think he will be there at #6? It's possible, but at #6 Denver is a lot closer to moving up a couple spots to get CJ than at #21. Imagine being a 2nd Year QB (Jay Cutler) and getting a receiver like CJ...it's like Christmas in Spring! If you look at what they targeted in FA, it has been mostly Defense. I truly think they want CJ and want him bad.

[tr1]

Right. The missing piece with this defense is a stud pass rusher, not another CB. I say we draft Jamal Anderson and keep Springs this season. If the team is so hot for Dre Bly, we can sign him next year as a FA. We can find a replacement for Dockery in FA off the scrap heap. Hell, maybe we can convince Ray Brown to come back for one last hurrah.

Why did our defense play so well when Springs was in there?

Though I'd like a speed rusher, a good cover guy will afford us to blitz a bit more.

[Siven]

Right. The missing piece with this defense is a stud pass rusher, not another CB. I say we draft Jamal Anderson and keep Springs this season. If the team is so hot for Dre Bly, we can sign him next year as a FA. We can find a replacement for Dockery in FA off the scrap heap. Hell, maybe we can convince Ray Brown to come back for one last hurrah.


i like trading down a spot or two and grabbing a 2nd, but you are right, the biggest need is DE, and right after that is a big 2 gap DT. so...... yeah. And I think Ray Brown said he cant play guard anymore b/c guard requires a lot of length strength which you lose as you get older, so he doesn't have the power in his legs to get that pop at the LOS.

[21dave]

i like trading down a spot or two and grabbing a 2nd, but you are right, the biggest need is DE, and right after that is a big 2 gap DT. so...... yeah. And I think Ray Brown said he cant play guard anymore b/c guard requires a lot of length strength which you lose as you get older, so he doesn't have the power in his legs to get that pop at the LOS.

I was being more facetious with Ray Brown, but there is another thread on Edward Mulitalo being cut by the Ravens. I think he'd suffice in the short term.

[U C S D SkinsFan]

Right. The missing piece with this defense is a stud pass rusher, not another CB. I say we draft Jamal Anderson and keep Springs this season. If the team is so hot for Dre Bly, we can sign him next year as a FA. We can find a replacement for Dockery in FA off the scrap heap. Hell, maybe we can convince Ray Brown to come back for one last hurrah.

I totally agree with you. I'm not so hot on getting Bly either, BUT the deal also involves getting a lot of picks back. We can still draft a DE at the #21 spot. The idea of having a 1st, 2nd AND 3rd round pick in the same draft seems so foreign to me, but I think its a step in the right direction. I hope we pull this trade off or any trade that will move us down and get more picks. We need depth...one rookie defensive lineman, who isn't a guarenteed superstar, will not make this team a superbowl champ. :point2sky

[21dave]

Why did our defense play so well when Springs was in there?

Though I'd like a speed rusher, a good cover guy will afford us to blitz a bit more.

Right. I'm saying to keep Springs. He's under contract.

[H-O-G]

We give,

6th overall choice
Shawn Springs

We recieve,

Dre Bly
round (1) 21st overall choice
round (2) Bronco's choice
round (3) Bronco's choice

[KingGibbs]

We have to make this deal. Why? Depth. We have none on the DL or OL. But, it would only be a good deal if we were to parlay those picks into solid contributors.

[monkforhall]

Hope we get someone to rush the passer, there aren't any corners that can cover for 5 6 seconds. Al Wilson is good at getting to the QB wonder if we could get him. Ugh.

[Snagletooth]

How are we getting a reliable guard and defensive end that can make animpact at some point next year with this deal. I get why its sweet. It makes us younger, we shift our philosophy from high priced older free agents (although Fletcher seems to suggest otherwise IMO) BUT have you watched the combine? If we can get Gaines Adams with that #6 pick I don't see how we get away from that opportunity. What are we gonna get with our 21 overall 1st pick? Adams, Anderson, Branch - ALL GONE. We need a pass rush. We got SMoot to sure up the secondary and we do currently have springs and rogers too. Roderick hood is out there right now isn't he. Cheap, good and young. Why do we NEED Dre Bly? We do NEED a pass rushing defensive end. I guess I just started to have my heart set on see Andre Carter and Gaines Adams coming off their respective edges and seeing how much better our secondary holds up when they can't run in the middle and the QB can't take more than a 3 step drop back cause they'll get killed or opponents can only send three players out on routes because they have to max protect. Our secondary got TORCHED because our safety play was horrific and our corners couldn't handle isolation on a receiver for 10 seconds with the likes of donovan mcnabb, jeff garcia, tony romo, etc. We seta franchise record for fewest sacks in a season!! I just don't know how we address our NEEDS with an extra 2 and a 3.


I'm not enamored with this trade either. I want an impact player along the defensive front. End would be best because they are the hardest to find. They don't come available in free agency often. And if they do they cost mucho.

We need depth as well. The trade proposal is solid, I'm just not doing back flips over it like many appear to be doing.

I think Branch, Adams, Anderson, Okoye, and Carriker would all likely be gone. And the D-line would not be addressed at all, at least in terms of an impact type of player.

And I don't want to hear we could trade back up secenarios to still get our stud on the D-line. Thats just not real practical. Possible yes. Not likely, too many scenarios would have to fall into place.

Or we might just use that #1 on the best guard in the draft, and then not address D-line until late 2nd round?

[Dana87]

Sometimes it just seems like we'll go after anyone and everyone who's available, or we trade just for the sake of "doing deals" regardless if they fit our team or not. Vinny C "This Dre Bly guy has a nice fancy name let's get em'"

To me, something just doesn't seem right about this Bly guy, i've never been a big fan of him- he's been in Denver for a day or two and he's already becoming a problem.

First off the only reason we would consider this is that Bly is the Guy Greg Williams & Jerry Gray want, Not Vinny ie London Fletcher.

Second If you were offered a job that was going to pay you $200,000 a year and one that was going to pay $125,000, but your current employer sold your rights to the company with the $125,000 salary wouldn't you be pissed.

[Peregrine]

That would be great. Simply trade down, add Bly, a second and third rounder, a late round first, THEN be able to trade springs and get more draft picks. We would be rolling in first day picks.

[pjfootballer]

One thing I have noticed with this Denver situation. Who in the hell is Denver so enamored with at #6? DE? DL?

[Redskinswhoopass]

Here is the Trade we need to do

Denver Gets
1. Springs
2. AA
3. Renaldo Wynn
4. Phillps Daniles
5. John Hall

Wash gets
1. Dre Bly

[SMOSS89]

All I have to say is, we should do it ONLY if we get their 1st, 2nd and 3rd, AND Bly. Thats IT. They cant accept anything less.

[Skins26]

This is interesting, at #21 we would be in a solid position to possibly trade down a few more picks and get Justin Harrell DT from Tennessee. Or take a stretch on him at 21 depending on his pro day.

Sounds like we're ripping them off.

[Stophovr6]

I don't know that I like a guy with an apostrophe in his name I remain a skeptic about all this and whether we should stray from our plan....all those picks do sound tasty.

[laurent]

Bly is a punk plain and simple. Why on earth would anyone go out their way to trade, much less give a multi year big dollar extension to a midget corner that's proven to be a cancer pretty much any place he's gone?

**** the Broncos and the lame donkey they rode in on.

[FlyinO]

Well, I was wondering when the Redskins were going to do something stupid this offseason. If this trade goes down the tradition continues...

[illone]

Well, I was wondering when the Redskins were going to do something stupid this offseason. If this trade goes down the tradition continues...


care to explain why you think it's stupid, or are you even capable of such a feat.

[illone]

Anyways, I'm very curious who the Broncos have targeted at the 6th spot. Me thinks there are going to be some surprises come draft day.

[meek]

Anyways, I'm very curious who the Broncos have targeted at the 6th spot. Me thinks there are going to be some surprises come draft day.


Anyone think that they might not be enitrely comfortable with Cutler and see Quinn as their next Elway?

[21dave]

Anyone think that they might not be enitrely comfortable with Cutler and see Quinn as their next Elway?

No. I think they're thinking DLine all the way.

[illone]

Anyone think that they might not be enitrely comfortable with Cutler and see Quinn as their next Elway?

Nah, I couldn't see that happening. It's gotta be dline.

[tommyandamanda21]

I say bring Dre Bly home too washington. he lives in Chesapeake...

[Drex]

Denver has tried to plug their defensive line with veterans over the last few seasons and have still failed to get consistent pressure from their defensive ends. Jim Bates is their new d-coordinator and he likes guys who can get after the qb.

My guess is that Denver is after Gaines Adams.

[laurent]

Denver has tried to plug their defensive line with veterans over the last few seasons and have still failed to get consistent pressure from their defensive ends. Jim Bates is their new d-coordinator and he likes guys who can get after the qb.

Does that sound the very least bit familiar to you? Why on earth are we looking to move this pick with a absence of talent and youth at those very same positions.

Our personnel decision making is on par with Houston, Detroit and Cleveland. Absolutely pitiful.

[Morneblade]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html

Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency.



OMG, we could have had Al Wilson!:(

[oraphus]

Here is what bothers me..
historically, Denver has always got the better end of the trade with Wash. They usually end up screwing us... much like we usually screw the Jets.
I have a feeling that by the time the deal actually goes down (if it does), it will look much different from what we're reading today and we'll end up getting gang banged like a $5 Taiwaneese hooker :(

[SkinsDukes]

OMG, we could have had Al Wilson!:(

Who is a good linebacker, but has benefitted by playing in a system in Denver that maximazed his skills. Remember he is 2 inches shorter than Marshall and about even weight wise. Also Wilson is about to turn 30 himself. Considering he doesn't have the previous experience in our system like Fletcher I'd take LB myself.

[redskinsforlife]

Problem is that we get around a 2 million dollar hit if we trade or release springs prior to the 1st of June.

[redskinsforlife]

Here is what bothers me..
historically, Denver has always got the better end of the trade with Wash. They usually end up screwing us... much like we usually screw the Jets.
I have a feeling that by the time the deal actually goes down (if it does), it will look much different from what we're reading today and we'll end up getting gang banged like a $5 Taiwaneese hooker :(

How do you figure we have screwed the Jets? By siging Chad Morton to a super big contract? Or would it be the Moss for Coles trade which if you compare last years numbers is a tossup?

[LaVarIsDaMan]

okay. your telling me, we get a first, second, and third and dre bly for our #6? take that, right now vinny cerrato. talking about cornerback depth.. fred smoot, shawn springs, carlos rogers, and dre bly, wow. but in reality, if this trade actually does happen, springs would probably get traded for a low second or third. we won't get gaines adams, alan branch, or amobi okoye but there is a lot of talent in this draft. especially on the defensive side of the ball. i wouldn't mind picking up reggie nelson at #21 to go make our secondary pretty disgusting. or even if we do want to get a quality d-end, jarvis moss or quentin moses could be available. and one last note, with dockery gone, ben grubbs could also be a possibilty from Auburn.

[TheLongshot]

Does that sound the very least bit familiar to you? Why on earth are we looking to move this pick with a absence of talent and youth at those very same positions.

Because none of the DL at the top of the draft is a slam dunk, and we need help in multiple places.

Also, DL depth in this draft is pretty good. We can still get a quality lineman further down.

Jason

[Gallntfox]

Here's why Don Banks at SI.com thought Detroit's getting rid of Bly was a good move...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/06/liked.disliked/1.html

7. The Lions trading Dre' Bly -- It seems to me that Bly quickly showed his true colors by complaining that he wanted Detroit to trade him to Washington rather than Denver, because the Redskins were willing to give him a new contract and the Broncos aren't. Show me a guy who'd rather play for the perennially losing Redskins than the perennially winning Broncos and I'll show you the type of player that Lions coach Rod Marinelli is trying to weed out of his locker room. At the very least, Detroit got a potential starter at offensive tackle (George Foster) and running back (Tatum Bell) in the Bly trade, which gives them lots of options at No. 2 in the draft

[fansince62]

It's possible, but at #6 Denver is a lot closer to moving up a couple spots to get CJ than at #21. Imagine being a 2nd Year QB (Jay Cutler) and getting a receiver like CJ...it's like Christmas in Spring! If you look at what they targeted in FA, it has been mostly Defense. I truly think they want CJ and want him bad.

I was thinking they wanted DL....but you raise some interesting thoughts about Cutler I missed.

[21dave]

I just am not sold on this plan. I'd rather go to war with a secondary of Springs/Smoot/Rogers with a stud defensive end taken with the 6th pick. Frankly, if Springs finds his way to Denver, you don't think we'll see him flourish next to Bailey, especially if they add a top-tier DE with our pick? I forsee some serious buyers remorse if this trade happens. Additionally, Bly is a FA next year...if the team wants him, lets show some patience and get him next year w/o giving up any picks.

If they are deadset on trading down, why not try and first rounders with, say Miami who are said to covet Quinn, and pick up a third rounder? That will enable us to take the kid from Louisville or Anderson/Branch provided one slips and to draft a guard in the 3rd round.

[fansince62]

Because none of the DL at the top of the draft is a slam dunk, and we need help in multiple places.

Also, DL depth in this draft is pretty good. We can still get a quality lineman further down.

Jason

we all agree on this. what we don't agree on is the timeframe. try to fix it all now or over 2 seasons?

btw...I'm not so sure we'll get anything special for DL at #21..and neither...apparently....is Denver!

[21dave]

Also, if Denver believe Macklin and Bly are a wash...what's stopping us from bringing Macklin in ourselves?

[tizzod]

We give,

6th overall choice
Shawn Springs

We recieve,

Dre Bly
round (1) 21st overall choice
round (2) Bronco's choice
round (3) Bronco's choice

Why on Earth would you do that if the trade being mentioned 'round the campfire is only the 6th for Bly and those picks? Why on Earth would you put Springs in there when you didn't have to?

Read the thread homie.

[Hail2theRedskins]

Also, if Denver believe Macklin and Bly are a wash...what's stopping us from bringing Macklin in ourselves?


Macklin is a step down..he is more of a 3rd or maybe even 4th CB. Bly had the ability to be a #1 or a few good #2.

[21dave]

Macklin is a step down..he is more of a 3rd or maybe even 4th CB. Bly had the ability to be a #1 or a few good #2.

Denver doesn't seem to think so.

[turbodiesel#44]

Why is Hall still here????? We could use the 4 mil cap space.

[Warhead36]

That sure seems like a lot for just the 6th pick. I'd definitely consider it and probably would take it. Don't forget we could then parlay Springs for more picks.

I know people are mad that we pass on what would be great talent at #6, but there are great players(including DL) that are available every year in every round.

Michael Strahan and Jason Taylor were both 3rd-ish(not sure)round picks. Dwight Freeney and Simeon Rice were late 1st rounders.

[Hail2theRedskins]

Denver doesn't seem to think so.


Thanks Denver, and they just signed Daniel Graham making him the highest paid tight end in history of the league.

[KTrainSkinsFan]

This trade isn't as much of a landslide as people are saying. As a couple of people have mentioned, as far as points it is pretty close. It all really depends on how well we draft with the given picks. Not a bad trade though.

[Hail2theRedskins]

That sure seems like a lot for just the 6th pick. I'd definitely consider it and probably would take it. Don't forget we could then parlay Springs for more picks.

I know people are mad that we pass on what would be great talent at #6, but there are great players(including DL) that are available every year in every round.

Michael Strahan and Jason Taylor were both 3rd-ish(not sure)round picks. Dwight Freeney and Simeon Rice were late 1st rounders.

Taylor was a 2nd rounder Strahan I think was a 3rd...Freeney was the 11th pick? and Simeon Rice was the 3rd pick in the 1996 Draft?

[U C S D SkinsFan]

Denver doesn't seem to think so.

Who cares what Denver thinks. We have a different view on different players. Who the heck is Macklin anyway? I've seriously never heard of him. The only reason I wouldn't mind this trade is for the extra picks. We can seriously add some good depth and hopefully find some starters with the extra picks.

[21dave]

Michael Strahan and Jason Taylor were both 3rd-ish(not sure)round picks. Dwight Freeney and Simeon Rice were late 1st rounders.

Simeon and Dwight were not late first rounders. Rice was the 3rd pick in 1996. Freeney was the 11th pick. And Strahan was a 2nd round pick

[Hail2theRedskins]

Simeon and Dwight were not late first rounders. Rice was the 3rd pick in 1996. Freeney was the 11th pick. And Strahan was a 2nd round pick


Beat ya to it lol.. :laugh: :1stplace:

[je21]

Why is Hall still here????? We could use the 4 mil cap space.

I think he is only worth 1.5 mil, Renaldo Wynn is worth the other 3.5. We really don't need either of them. Any rookie would be a better fit there than these old heads.:dallasuck

[kwitt]

Remember when we traded Bailey for Portis and there was a second round pick involved in the deal? We all thought we would, of course, be getting that pick.

I wouldn't be surprised if the additional 2nd and 3rd round picks being discussed here are for Denver in the 2008 draft. :doh:

[21dave]

Thanks Denver, and they just signed Daniel Graham making him the highest paid tight end in history of the league.

Well you're telling me a defense of Springs/Smoot/Rogers/Macklin with whomever we draft at 6 (Anderson/Adams) is not better than Bly/Smoot/Rogers/Ade Jimoh with a mid-first round Dlineman?

[je21]

If the trade does go down, I believe that Denver is trying to trade up with us to grab safety Reggie Nelson.

[Hail2theRedskins]

Well you're telling me a defense of Springs/Smoot/Rogers/Macklin with whomever we draft at 6 (Anderson/Adams) is not better than Bly/Smoot/Rogers/Ade Jimoh with a mid-first round Dlineman?


Well Macklin would be our 4th they are going to use him as a 3 or maybe 2...
sure id like to have anderson or adams , but i would love to have a later first, 2nd, and 3rd round picks instead.

[oraphus]

How do you figure we have screwed the Jets? By siging Chad Morton to a super big contract? Or would it be the Moss for Coles trade which if you compare last years numbers is a tossup?

well, i dont have the time to search for all the detail but from what i remember we raided the Jets by signing:
1976 Riggins leaves the Jets to join the Washington Redskins - we all know how that worked out

Morton - played well for 2 years
Hall - played well, then got hurt
Coles - played ok

We then swaped Coles for Moss
stats..
Coles:
rec yds ypc TD
2003 was | 82 1204 14.7 6 |
2004 was |90 950 10.6 1 |

2005 nyj 73 845 11.6 5 |
| 2006 nyj | 91 1098 12.1 6

Moss
2005 was 84 1483 17.7 9 |
| 2006 was 55 790 14.4 6

It's obvious we got the better end of the WR swap

[Arsenic]

I have a problem with your idea that we are going "after anyone"... they have been a lot more circumspect this year and have allowed almost everyone to leave with no contract... it seems the FO is looking but not offering the house to all the FA coming to town... they are attempting to cut the age of the secondary and beef it up and gain draft picks - bly could be a very good pick up

I was talking about in recent years and not just this year. I think the Redskins have done a lot of great things this off season, but I feel going after Bly just kinda seems like a move made out of desperation to me.

[JMUGator19]

I just wanted to point out that I think you all misunderstood the possible trades in the article… Three possible trades were mentioned and all declined



Springs for bly

No b/c broncs want skins to absorb springs contract

Possible Ladel Betts deal for Bly,


No b/c skins keeping Betts

Al Wilson, 21st pick, third round, and possibly 2nd round for 6th pick

No go b/c skins prefer fletcher

I believe everyone mistook the Bly deal with Al Wilson deal... go reread if you like.

However, recently due to restructuring of contracts by Moss and Portis gives the skins about an extra $5 mil to play with which gives me reason to believe they are gonna end up trading for Bly and restructuring Springs contract.