Redskins Critcism!

[dbtimsah]

After all the criticism of the skins (I've had my share), why does it seem like as soon as the Skins start calming down this offseason, other teams are reving up? Look at the Patriots, they are paying top dollar for Pilly's injury-prone Stallworth. If this was the Skins, we wouldn't hear the end of it!
-Bryan

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Who cares....everyone wants to talk crap about the Skins - let em.

But write this down: N.E. WILL win the Super Bowl this year...they are reloading.

[CPortJGibbs89]

Who cares....everyone wants to talk crap about the Skins - let em.

But write this down: N.E. WILL win the Super Bowl this year...they are reloading.N.E. has made all the right moves this offseason. They will atleast be back in the AFC championship...

[SHYSTER411]

But write this down: N.E. WILL win the Super Bowl this year...they are reloading.

You just might be right. I have a similar feeling concerning them.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Not to completely derail this thread, but I agree that NE is going to be a beast this year.

What I want to know is, how come no one is ****ting on them for filling needs via Free Agency but everyone in the media is so quick to **** on the Redskins when they do it?

Did the Pats overpay for Thomas? Who knows.

[Hokie_Skinz]

Well, the difference is NE is spending all that money, but they have 3 SB wins in the last 10 years. The Redskins spend all that money, and have nothing to show for it. Hence, why smack is talked on the skins. If the Redskins had one SB win in the last decade, there wouldn't be this criticism.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

NE is filling their gaps, not trying to assemble it core.

[CGSKINS]

Despite how I feel about this train wreck of a franchise and the way it is run. I have a funny feeling that we are going to be good this year. I dont know why. I just have a feeling. I guess because last year MURPHYS LAW was in full effect. I dont see all that bad luck happening again. Despite our record last year and everthing that happen I will give this team credit, they still are together and the chemisty is good for a team that was so bad last year.

[Art]

The amusing thing about the Stallworth deal is people were, today, going out of their way to say it was essentially a one-year deal. Deals we sign are always talked about for their total dollar value and not for what they essentially are. That is the interesting double standard.

[CaptChaos86]

Yeah look what the pats did with a mediocre receving corp and now with all the additions they have made. they are going to be dangerous for years to come. Lets just hope the skins can get all the right people and be set like that.

[Jacoby6644]

Living up here in Mass, people are excited with the moves the Pats have made. And the scary thing is that they have a solid draft ahead of them. They will be able to reload for years to come.

They arguably the best run organization in the league right now.

[CustomApparelDirect]

Who cares....everyone wants to talk crap about the Skins - let em.

But write this down: N.E. WILL win the Super Bowl this year...they are reloading.

How are The PATRIOTS going to defeat The REDSKINS in the UPCOMING SUPER BOWL?!? :doh: :doh: :doh:

[[[ghost]]]

Actually, you're wrong.



Last offseason, everyone was on our nuts. Those key additions would bring us glory. People genuinely believed that.

Same thing should hold true for the Pats and Niners.

[fansince62]

Well, the difference is NE is spending all that money, but they have 3 SB wins in the last 10 years. The Redskins spend all that money, and have nothing to show for it. Hence, why smack is talked on the skins. If the Redskins had one SB win in the last decade, there wouldn't be this criticism.


good points. it's also because the Pats have some star players who came through the draft (brady, seymour, etc.).

[fansince62]

The amusing thing about the Stallworth deal is people were, today, going out of their way to say it was essentially a one-year deal. Deals we sign are always talked about for their total dollar value and not for what they essentially are. That is the interesting double standard.

good point...I heard the same point made on ESPN.

[MLSKINS]

Yeah Stallworth is good and all but watch out for Wes Walker, that dude could be a beast with a good quaterback like Tom Brady.

As far as why the media isn't lighting up the Patriots for going on a spree. It is becasue theese are people that they NEED. Espically Stallworth, imangine if he caught that wide open pass in the AFC Championship game.

[Veretax]

Its Cyclical next year watch us be back to spending a bunch

[HEavyJumbo85]

For God's sake how in the world are the Patriots getting praised for giving up a 2nd and a 7th round pick for WES WELKER? That's more than the Ravens gave up to get Willis Mcgahee. That's probably more than Randy Moss would command in a trade. I understand the guy is a good kick/punt returner and is versitle, but he's no better than Randle el at any of these things. Altough he might be a better kicker :rolleyes: . Anyway, i just believe that they seriously overspent on this guy and also Dante Stallworth better at least produce the numbers that Randle El had, because he's getting the same money.

[gkekoa]

After all the criticism of the skins (I've had my share), why does it seem like as soon as the Skins start calming down this offseason, other teams are reving up? Look at the Patriots, they are paying top dollar for Pilly's injury-prone Stallworth. If this was the Skins, we wouldn't hear the end of it!
-Bryan

The reason nobody is giving the Pats a hard time is they are making the right moves for the right prices. They took Thomas, a 270 LB, who plays in the 3-4 defense. He fits the system. They paid for Stallworth but he is a proven commodity when healthy. The Welker moves does seem dumb, can't see how he commands a second and a seventh. Kelly Washington is a low dollar, possible talent. They didn't pay top dollar for a guy that has never been a #1 like we did with two. They didn't overpay somebody by more than double the market like we did with AA.

[dbtimsah]

Let's not forget the great signing of Jr. Seau last year by the Pats. I believe he warmed the bench most of last year! And, talk about double standards; ESPN has an article saying the Lions signed "former Michigan State star, Duckett!" Excuse me, but shouldn't this read, "Washed-up Redskin, Falcon signs with Lions."?
-Bryan

[TheLongshot]

Until we start winning on a regular basis, we will be critisized. Until then, people will continue to lay it on thick, whether or not it is true.

Jason

[skinstzar]

When our current system becomes a proven winner then and only then will the criticism stop. No one questions the Patriots because they are proven. No one should question them until they fail. They find a way to get the most out of players, we don't!

[bedlamVR]

I think it is intersting what they did with Branch and Stallworth . I would say they are equal in terms of overall production yet they managed to get a 1st out of the deal and then they go an throw away a 2nd on a special teams player.

That said the Pats are always the team to beat untill someone can step up and take the throne from them.....

[pjfootballer]

I think the Patriots are in a panic mode. They won the SB 3 out of 4 years with good drafts, modest signings and castoffs. They found the right players to fit the system. Not Banta-Cain left, Graham left, their LB's are old and their secondary is paper thin especially at safety.

Now, they had to franchise their best corner, overpay (by their standards) for a 3-4 LB and gave away a 2nd and 7th for a punt returner. I mean, if we gave away our 2nd rounder for a punt returner, we'd be toast.

The biggest factor of all is, they haven't won the SB in 2 years, and I feel that their window is closing and they know it. They have never spent like this before and now all of the sudden Craft is acting like Snyder. Think about it.

[CapitalDefense]

The amusing thing about the Stallworth deal is people were, today, going out of their way to say it was essentially a one-year deal. Deals we sign are always talked about for their total dollar value and not for what they essentially are. That is the interesting double standard.With all due repect Mr. Art, I understand your point and its a valid arguement. The difference is, they win consistently and we do not. If we ever, I mean EVER, start winning on a consistent basis their arguement goes out the window. Then and only then will they, the media, be forced to find a new way to bash the Redskins.

[sackfumble]

Wes Welker is a damn good football player.They faced him twice a year so they know what he can do.He's essentialy there to replace Troy Brown another damn good football player who is getting too old.The guy caught 67 balls last year and is great on special teams.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

They arguably the best run organization in the league right now.

I don't know about that, Jacoby; but I will say (as another Mass resident) that they fit in well with the rest of the Communistwealth when it comes to philosophy. Socialism across the board.

[The Rook]

With all due repect Mr. Art, I understand your point and its a valid arguement. The difference is, they win consistently and we do not. If we ever, I mean EVER, start winning on a consistent basis their arguement goes out the window. Then and only then will they, the media, be forced to find a new way to bash the Redskins.

I will have to say this - they have de-throned us as the Champ of the off-season. :doh:

It looks good on paper, but so has our previous off-seasons - don't hand them the SB crown just yet. They are just one Tom Brady injury away from the middle of the pack.






:helmet: The Rook

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

]']Actually, you're wrong.



Last offseason, everyone was on our nuts. Those key additions would bring us glory. People genuinely believed that.

Same thing should hold true for the Pats and Niners.

The 49ers are the other team that really seems to be getting load for this upcoming year. They have a great group of young players...

[SPRINTxBOMB]

Wow... All of the immediate and incessant whining over my " Browns to the Superbowl " thread has somehow actually paid off for the countless " how dare you start a new thread " and the " I cant believe the Mods let you talk about poop "cry-babies around here... Unbelieveable.

It was a very legit thread. Not sure where in the rules it says that " Any and all humor will not be tolerated here at ES!!! "

Jeez... Lighten up guys.

[HailfrmDEN]

If prioleau, marshall, marcus, salavea, springs, portis, didnt get hurt last year with what our offense did last year(campbell) they would stiil be on our nutts. This year for what Flecther can offer, we should be back on track. If not back on track, not the 31st worst.

[Peregrine]

I think its right to give the Patriots slack based on just how good they have been, but I do see some mediots outright lie and say the Patriots have been frugal, paying less than value for the FA's, which is a downright lie. See Wes Welker.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Snyder is a good name when talking about Pretzels

Snyder is a bad name when talking about Redskins

Media likes Snyder's Pretzels

Media dislikes Snyder's Redskins

***? What the hell is this guy talking about :insane:

[goskins72]

I see the Skins make their splash in April. I believe they have at least 2 pending trades that can happen and then trade draft picks for Jarred Allen and Lance Briggs. 1st trade AA to Bears for Draft Pick or rights to Briggs. 2nd Trade 6st pick to Buff,Packers or Texans and get back 1,2 and 4. then trade 2 and4 for Allen. They can still release Patten,Wynn, and 1 more person and save adittional 6 million.:eaglesuck

[taylor362183]

Who cares....everyone wants to talk crap about the Skins - let em.

But write this down: N.E. WILL win the Super Bowl this year...they are reloading.

Are you a Patriots Fan!!!!!:bsflag: :bsflag:

[jeronimobrat]

I think the Patriots are in a panic mode. They won the SB 3 out of 4 years with good drafts, modest signings and castoffs. They found the right players to fit the system. Not Banta-Cain left, Graham left, their LB's are old and their secondary is paper thin especially at safety.

Now, they had to franchise their best corner, overpay (by their standards) for a 3-4 LB and gave away a 2nd and 7th for a punt returner. I mean, if we gave away our 2nd rounder for a punt returner, we'd be toast.

The biggest factor of all is, they haven't won the SB in 2 years, and I feel that their window is closing and they know it. They have never spent like this before and now all of the sudden Craft is acting like Snyder. Think about it.

I have been drawing comparison between the Patriots spending habits of years past and this season. Why did they suddenly overhaul on their receiving corps.? What happened with "The Big-Eyed Snooge?" (Forgive me, I can not remember his name, but he is best known for the dropped catch in the end-zone against the Colts.)

You may be onto something here!

[Aghar]

]']Actually, you're wrong.



Last offseason, everyone was on our nuts. Those key additions would bring us glory. People genuinely believed that.

Same thing should hold true for the Pats and Niners.


Well said. People around here tend to forget that during the offseason the Redskins were praised and being held up as a SuperBowl contender. It wasn't until the media, along with the rest of us, realzied that our offseason pickups were busts and the team was running on life support to begin the preseason, that they pointed their fingers at us about spending too much.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Are you a Patriots Fan!!!!!:bsflag: :bsflag:

Don't bring that b.s. in here...

[Skinsfor4]

I think we finally went about the offseason in the right way.Maybe we can pick up some extra draft picks and still come out with a great player in Rd#1.Hail Skins

[cphil006]

criticism? towards the redskins? no way!

[cphil006]

Who directed it? Len Pasta-Belly or Peter Queen?

[SHYSTER411]

Who directed it? Len Pasta-Belly or Peter Queen?

Dr. Z?

[OVCChairman]

why is it that big of a deal? So they arent bashing New England for paying a lot of money for a proven WR when that was their biggest pressing need over the last year or so....? hmm....who woulda thought they wouldnt say the same thing about us when we over payed a player who played for a team that hadnt had a winning season in over 5 years....lets see where the resemblence is...not to mention that New England has 3 superbowl rings in the last 5 years and we havent had 1 in 16 now.....huh....who woulda thought

[cphil006]

After all the criticism of the skins (I've had my share), why does it seem like as soon as the Skins start calming down this offseason, other teams are reving up? Look at the Patriots, they are paying top dollar for Pilly's injury-prone Stallworth. If this was the Skins, we wouldn't hear the end of it!
-Bryan

You may be right, but the Pats have a history of winning latley, we don't. We weren't critized for Deion, Bruce, Mark Carrier, until AFTER we bombed that season. We were preseason favorites.

[cphil006]

We were interested in Donte, but we don;t have cap room, blame Cerrato and management for overpaying Arch and Lloyd last year... Doesn;t seem so bad though compared to this years FAs

[rtbasye]

Well, the difference is NE is spending all that money, but they have 3 SB wins in the last 10 years. The Redskins spend all that money, and have nothing to show for it. Hence, why smack is talked on the skins. If the Redskins had one SB win in the last decade, there wouldn't be this criticism.
couldnt have said it better myself

[r3dskins]

good points. it's also because the Pats have some star players who came through the draft (brady, seymour, etc.).

Funny thing is, over all the years, our drafts have been overlooked since we essentially, in my opinion, used FA as our Draft. That being said, we are building up our core with solid rookies at the skill positions, and heck, if the Saints could have done what they did last season, no reason why we can't get back in the saddle...

Saw this article that backs up the same thing I've been saying about the Skins' drating abilities...

Draft review... (http://www.fightforthefans.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=56&Itemid=44)

Anyway, I look at the upcoming draft and season with a whole lot of Promise for this club...

[Bossman_SKins]

]']Actually, you're wrong.



Last offseason, everyone was on our nuts. Those key additions would bring us glory. People genuinely believed that.

Same thing should hold true for the Pats and Niners.

the difference between that and us is that after all those additions we were left with basically no draft picks to continue building on our foundation. this year the pats gained all those fa's and still have two draft picks in the first round! as well as all their other picks. so i dont see the patriots franchise going up in flames anytime soon.

[pjfootballer]

I have been drawing comparison between the Patriots spending habits of years past and this season. Why did they suddenly overhaul on their receiving corps.? What happened with "The Big-Eyed Snooge?" (Forgive me, I can not remember his name, but he is best known for the dropped catch in the end-zone against the Colts.)

You may be onto something here!

Reche Caldwell. Ole Bug eyes.