PDN: Pokes may trade rb?

[bubba9497]

http://www.benmaller.com/nfl_rumors_notes#136116


click link for full article



The Cowboys aren't exactly shopping running back Julius Jones, but they've told teams that have inquired about him that he's for sale for the right price. Cowboys owner-GM Jerry Jones apparently is prepared to hitch his wagon to the team's other young running back, Marion Barber. Jones, who rushed for 1,084 yards, had just 65 carries in Dallas' final six regular-season games, but played well in the playoff loss to Seattle, rushing for 112 yards on 22 carries.

[bubba9497]

Cowboys owner-GM Jerry Jones apparently is prepared to hitch his wagon to the team's other young running back, Marion Barber


shouldn't that be Wade's decision :whoknows:

[jrockster21]

shouldn't that be Wade's decision :whoknows:


[Jerry Jones]

Galdurnit, of course its Wade's decision. I tell him what to do then he decides to do it!

[/Jerry Jones]

[TD_washingtonredskins]

shouldn't that be Wade's decision :whoknows:

Well, not really...

Doesn't the GM have the right to make personnel moves? I agree the coach should have some say, but the job description of the GM is to assemble the talent.

In Dallas, Jones has seemed to admit to being the GM (which is of course a problem in itself).

:dallasuck

[bubba9497]

Well, not really...

Doesn't the GM have the right to make personnel moves? I agree the coach should have some say, but the job description of the GM is to assemble the talent.

In Dallas, Jones has seemed to admit to being the GM (which is of course a problem in itself).

:dallasuck


the coach decides the starters and who plays, does he not?.... everywhere else that is :laugh:

[twenty-eight]

Nice Jerry, correct bill's mistakes one by one.

[TheFan]

I'm curious what that "right price" might be and what teams would consider trading for him.

As far as the Jones reference goes... Much ado about nothing.

TheFan

[flashback]

Jerry Jones has had the title of GM for as long as he's owned the Cowboys.

[twenty-eight]

Jerry Jones has had the title of GM for as long as he's owned the Cowboys.

Even when Parcells was the coach?

[Oldskool]

Even when Parcells was the coach?

Parcells was the coach and took control of most of the personnel decisions but Jones was still the de-facto GM and he had the final say on everything (as evident in the Owens aquisition, which Parcells was obviously against).

[Cassow]

the coach decides the starters and who plays, does he not?.... everywhere else that is :laugh:

The coach decides who plays, the GM decides what players to acquire and let go. Jerry is the GM, whats so difficult about this?

[kevin11]

no, don't trade JJ. That is actually a good move.

[tr1]

There's a real vote of confidence for Julius Jones!

[Gilgamesh]

I guess Jerrah is still pissed about missing out on Steven Jackson.

[dragon_mikal]

I guess Jerrah is still pissed about missing out on Steven Jackson.


He isn't the only one.

[Passizle]

[Jerry Jones]

Galdurnit, of course its Wade's decision. I tell him what to do then he decides to do it!

[/Jerry Jones]

Funniest post of the day!

[bubba9497]

The coach decides who plays, the GM decides what players to acquire and let go. Jerry is the GM, whats so difficult about this?

reread the quote :rolleyes:

Jones is deciding Barber is the starter, an this isn't the first time he has made statements in the press about who will play, who will start, coaching straff etc,,,

everything the Head Coach decides, and discusses with the press


so what so difficult to comprend???

oh yeah Poke Fan Mantra

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/2958620see20hear20speak20no20evil20.jpg

[BigDFan5]

reread the quote :rolleyes:

Jones is deciding Barber is the starter, an this isn't the first time he has made statements in the press about who will play, who will start, coaching straff etc,,,

everything the Head Coach decides, and discusses with the press


so what so difficult to comprend???

oh yeah Poke Fan Mantra

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/2958620see20hear20speak20no20evil20.jpg


Nowhere in that article did Jerry Jones say ANYTHING let alone who would be the starter. the reporter speculated that "apparently" Jerry would settle on barber being the starter but Jerry said no such thing, He also has said nothing about trading JJ.


Bubba and tr1 mantra make things up and hope nobody notices

[bedlamVR]

I think Jerry Jones is the very reason why I think having a GM is a bad bad bad thing

[tr1]

Nowhere in that article did Jerry Jones say ANYTHING let alone who would be the starter. the reporter speculated that "apparently" Jerry would settle on barber being the starter but Jerry said no such thing, He also has said nothing about trading JJ.


Bubba and tr1 mantra make things up and hope nobody notices

I guess the PDN pulled this out of their ass, eh?

Why isn't Wade addressing the media? Could you imagine how Snyder would be crucified if he said stuff like this about the Skins?

Right now, Jerry is probably more involved with the pukes than Al Davis is with the Raiders.

Tell me differently.

[dragon_mikal]

I guess the PDN pulled this out of their ass, eh?

Why isn't Wade addressing the media? Could you imagine how Snyder would be crucified if he said stuff like this about the Skins?

Right now, Jerry is probably more involved with the pukes than Al Davis is with the Raiders.

Tell me differently.

I see where you and Bubba are coming from, but who is to say that Wade wouldn't have a say in such a matter?

I know Jerry can be an idiot sometimes, but I doubt he would decide on the starting RB without discussing it with his head coach first.

At least I'm hoping he wouldn't.

[tr4]

There's a real vote of confidence for Julius Jones!

i think it has more to do with the impression of marion. but again dont expect julius to just be given away for some third rounder. someone is really going to have to offer an arm and leg before jerry lets him go.

[tr4]

I guess the PDN pulled this out of their ass, eh?

Why isn't Wade addressing the media? Could you imagine how Snyder would be crucified if he said stuff like this about the Skins?

Right now, Jerry is probably more involved with the pukes than Al Davis is with the Raiders.

Tell me differently.

jerry has always been this involved with the organization. even when bill was there he was involved except he allowed bill more input than any other coach. jerry is the GM of that team and makes all the calls. thats the way he has always done it and probably the way he will always do it.

[tr4]

[QUOTE=bubba9497]reread the quote :rolleyes:

Jones is deciding Barber is the starter, an this isn't the first time he has made statements in the press about who will play, who will start, coaching straff etc,,,

everything the Head Coach decides, and discusses with the press


so what so difficult to comprend???

oh yeah Poke Fan Mantra

definitely never says anything in the article about any Cowboys official saying anything about the truth to this rumor. the article is just a journalist assuming things based off a rumor he heard from somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody...this is a rumor that i have heard for quite awhile now anyway. which means that this is a rumor that probably has some truth to it, however, it is likely this is made up based off common sense because everyone knows that julius hasnt had that breakout season yet and with the way marion was running last year there is going to be all kinds of speculation that they want to get rid of julius. almost any player would be traded for the right price.

[HeHateMe]

shouldn't that be Wade's decision :whoknows:

Why would it be?

He isnt the GM.

[tr1]

The official organ of the pukes is trying to quash this rumor pretty hard...

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?contentType=5&id=488995FB-EAC6-9C33-21017B53826F6E90

Tim Sather, Placentia, Calif.: There are numerous reports going around that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones would be up for trading Julius Jones for the right price. Is this rumor true and do you think Marion Barber would be ready to handle full time duties or would the Boys have to find someone in the draft and/or free agency?

Mickey: For the right price? Well, that's pretty nebulous. Everyone has a price, right? You have a price on your house that if met you'd sell in a heartbeat. If someone asked Jones about that, he'd be foolish to say something different. I mean what if someone gave you a first and a third or fourth for a running back you acquired with a second? I'd listen.

Remember, Jones is in the final year of his four-year contract, so you would have to weigh what you were getting against if you plan on trying to re-sign him after this season and what that might cost.

But someone would have to knock my socks off to pull the trigger on such a trade, because I can't believe anyone is convinced Barber is ready to pull down 300 carries in a season.

You'd have to go get someone else, and that's besides Tyson Thompson.

Also, please distinguish between those rumor columns, usually without attribution and reports, especially those used by NFL writers in notes columns that are passed down from writer to writer. That sort of stuff just got a guy at the Boston Globe suspended.

[tr1]

How is it that a Philly paper started this rumor?

[HeHateMe]

If Jones was dealt, they'd certainly sign another decent RB or draft one pretty high this year.

I, like the Dallas front office, have my reservations as to whether he (Barber)could carry the load as a full time RB.

[Fred Jones]

i think it has more to do with the impression of marion. but again dont expect julius to just be given away for some third rounder. someone is really going to have to offer an arm and leg before jerry lets him go.

Nobody is going to offer anything of significance to the pukes to get JJ. He hasn't proven he can carry the load and he is in the last year of his contract. The pukes are just casting out and seeing if anyone nibbles. Now that I think about it, JJ is not going anywhere because no team will give up draft choices to get JJ.

[HeHateMe]

Nobody is going to offer anything of significance to the pukes to get JJ. He hasn't proven he can carry the load and he is in the last year of his contract. The pukes are just casting out and seeing if anyone nibbles. Now that I think about it, JJ is not going anywhere because no team will give up draft choices to get JJ.

I can see a draft day trade or somewhere near there with???

None other than the Buffalo Bills.

Would be quite ironic though wouldnt it?

[tr4]

maybe use him as trade bait and swap first round picks with someone in the top 10 with jj. if you package it right then maybe swap positions with the browns who will be looking for a running back. then draft adrian peterson.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

I wouldn't mind Jones for the right price. If they are seeking a first, forget it.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

']I wouldn't mind Jones for the right price. If they are seeking a first, forget it.

Come on man, you have Droughns!!

Just kidding...though I do really like Jacobs carrying the load for the Giants. I think he's a beast.

:2cents:

[SonnyJ]

Let's see. McGahee just got traded to the Ravens for what, a 3rd and a 7th? Which basically equates to something like a mid-high 3rd round pick, if that.

JJ is no McGahee. No way I see JJ going for more than a mid-4th. And the Cowboys would be stealing if they got that.

[tr1]

Let's see. McGahee just got traded to the Ravens for what, a 3rd and a 7th? Which basically equates to something like a mid-high 3rd round pick, if that.

JJ is no McGahee. No way I see JJ going for more than a mid-4th. And the Cowboys would be stealing if they got that.

How can this help JJ's comfort with the pukes? I'm curious who put this rumor out on the street. I noticed another Texas newspaper picked up on it today.

[Siven]

I see where you and Bubba are coming from, but who is to say that Wade wouldn't have a say in such a matter?

I know Jerry can be an idiot sometimes, but I doubt he would decide on the starting RB without discussing it with his head coach first.

At least I'm hoping he wouldn't.

decided on a starting #1 wide receiver.....

[MrSilverMaC]

maybe use him as trade bait and swap first round picks with someone in the top 10 with jj. if you package it right then maybe swap positions with the browns who will be looking for a running back. then draft adrian peterson.


You can't be serious? LMAO, why would the Browns, if they still want a rb, swap first rounders for Julius Jones just to let dallas draft Peterson? That's like the Skins swapping picks with the Bucs and only having to throw in Daniels just to get Jamaal Anderson. :laugh:

[BigDFan5]

I guess the PDN pulled this out of their ass, eh?

Why isn't Wade addressing the media? Could you imagine how Snyder would be crucified if he said stuff like this about the Skins?

Right now, Jerry is probably more involved with the pukes than Al Davis is with the Raiders.

Tell me differently.


Wadce is putting together a team and prepping for the draft


Again you said Snyder would be crucified if he 'said stuff" like that, exactly where did ones SAY anything? This is speculation not quotes from Jerry

[tr4]

You can't be serious? LMAO, why would the Browns, if they still want a rb, swap first rounders for Julius Jones just to let dallas draft Peterson? That's like the Skins swapping picks with the Bucs and only having to throw in Daniels just to get Jamaal Anderson. :laugh:

because i garauntee you there are plenty of teams out there that like jj. you comparing some old guy like daniels to jj is not just. jj is still young and has showed what he can be in this league. jj would have had a great season last year if marion wasnt stealing all the glory with the TDs. marion also took yards away from jj. jj showed enough for a team like the browns to bite and not only get their starting running back but then pick up another starter in the first round. like i said, you have to package it right. so if they want a third rounder then you might have to throw that in to. a team like the browns would look into this because they are more interested in getting multiple quality starters then just one super star starter. again not even sure why you mentioned 43 year old daniels who has like 5 sacks in the past 10 years. andre carter would have been a better comparison. because at least carter had that one monster season with the 49ers so he has showed he can be good, just hasnt done it since.

[tr4]

Let's see. McGahee just got traded to the Ravens for what, a 3rd and a 7th? Which basically equates to something like a mid-high 3rd round pick, if that.

JJ is no McGahee. No way I see JJ going for more than a mid-4th. And the Cowboys would be stealing if they got that.

willis was given up for 2 third rounders and the 7th. basically you got yourself a second round pick right there. And you clearly have willis overrated. couldnt even put up 1000 yards last season and got in the endzone like 3 times. Julius goes over 1000 yards and only puts up 4 TDs but thats because he gave up 14 TDs to marion and another 500 yards on the ground to him as well. So if thats jj getting all those stats then he has a 1500 yard and 16 TD season. so if you ask me, willis is no JJ. And finally, Bills are in a rush to get rid of him because he is in his last year of his contract and the Bills know willis is not going to resign with them. so they might as well get what they can now and other teams know that.
Nobody here can just be unbiased when discussing Cowboy issues. mid-4th would be a steal? I promise you there are plenty of teams that would give up at least one third rounder for him and probably more. there are reports that multiple teams have showed interest to Jerry for JJ. i dont think any of those teams would come to jerry saying that they will give up just a 4th rounder for the cowboys starting running back who they spent a second round pick on. jerry would laugh and walk away.

[Gilgamesh]

maybe use him as trade bait and swap first round picks with someone in the top 10 with jj. if you package it right then maybe swap positions with the browns who will be looking for a running back. then draft adrian peterson.

Why would the Browns not just take Peterson? With zero games under his belt he's still got a hell of a lot more upside than Jones...

[tr4]

Why would the Browns not just take Peterson? With zero games under his belt he's still got a hell of a lot more upside than Jones...

browns are a team that need a lot more quality starters in order to be competitive. the fact that in jones' rookie season he blew up at the end of the season, a lot of teams will still see that as something they can get out of him. so in swapping out you get a starting running back who is still young, a first round draft pick and probably a third rounder as well.

[SonnyJ]

You're a funny guy, tr4. Sorry to tell you this, but most teams would take McGahee over Jones. Not really in the same ballpark. And you can't just plug in Barber's stats and give them to Jones. There's probably a good reason that Barber has those stats and not Jones - the team preferred to give him the ball in those situations.

Looks like McGahee's trade value is about a high third. Yeah, Jones won't get more than a fourth.

Hey, the Cowboys don't have to deal the guy if they don't like the compensation. :cheers:

[phishisthegreatstuff]

please don't compare willis to JJ...JJ won't even start over marion barber this year....Willis will have a sick year because he finally has a decent oline to block for him.