Briggs in a nutshell.

[Art]

First, no deal has been offered by anyone associated with the Redskins to the Bears for Briggs as of this moment. The reporting on this came quickly and got a little confusing. Let's recap so everyone can breathe.

1. Adam Schefter reports Bears considering sending Briggs and their first round pick 31 overall To the skins for the 6th overall pick.

2. Glazer reports the following:


PHOENIX - The NFL Owners meeting are in full swing with announcements and committee meetings highlighting the week but it's the deals made on the side that give juice to the week.

One such deal offered Monday night, if it happens, could have major ramifications on two franchises and one franchise player.

Drew Rosenhaus, the agent for Bears' disgruntled Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs, told FOXSports.com that the Redskins informed him Monday that they would like to swing a deal that would send Washington's first-round pick, No. 6 overall, to Chicago for the Bears' first-rounder, No. 31, and Briggs.

When asked about such an offer Redskins owner Dan Snyder confirmed to FOXSports.com that he in fact wanted to make the move and they were waiting to talk to Chicago. In fact, Snyder spent a couple of minutes talking to Briggs, who showed up with Rosenhaus at the meeting.

Snyder and football operations man Vinny Cerato left to find head coach Joe Gibbs regarding the deal. But before leaving Rosenhaus informed Cerato that he in fact spoke with the Bears and they were waiting an official call from the Redskins.

Briggs told FOXSports.com earlier this month that he would never play another down again for the Bears and he was willing to sit out the 2008 season.

Obviously many deals are discussed but fail to come to fruition and this deal could die as well. Both teams seemed to be on the same page but Gibbs also needed to sign off before an official offer was made. Plus, while Snyder said he'd work the deal Washington needs to formally reach out to Chicago and make an official offer. Washington could also in the end decide to change their minds as any trade would entail them getting Briggs signed to a long-term contract.

The first report from Shefter suggests the Bears would like that trade, but says nothing about us. The second report, says DIRECTLY that Rosenhaus told Glazer the Redskins would do that trade. Glazer asked Snyder, who said hi to Briggs apparently, and Snyder said the team would be interested in a move for Briggs, and we were waiting on Chicago to call us.

As the two men left the area, Rosenhaus reportedly told them Chicago was waiting on a call from them.

Uh.

Anyone else see what's happening?

Neither team has talked to each other. The Redskins acknowledged through Snyder that Briggs is a guy they'd like and Chicago should feel free to call. Rosenhaus confirms to Glazer and tells Cerrato the Bears are hot for this and they told him they were waiting on a call. Can anyone say drumming up interest in one's client with no actual conversation between the teams having taken place?

Though, you kind of have to find Rosenhaus as our personal pimp pretty cute.

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

Briggs only has 3.5 sacks on his career . WTF


I just heard he was a franchise player. I would prefer Calvin Johnson

[SMOSS89]

I guess it works if we trade/cut Lemar. Thats the only way.

[twenty-eight]

Thats how he got Willis drafted
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/images/articles/SBJ200310130801-01.jpg

[Art]

This thread does not need to be a conversation about whether you like or hate the trade. That can stay in the thread already up there. This is merely to pull out the conversation to assure everyone knows no one on either team has talked to anyone on either team about this deal. It's Rosenhaus writing a story and trying to find dance partners. Tomorrow's story will be someone else and Briggs.

[SonnyJ]

I can't fathom Snyder genuinely and openly expressing his desire to make a deal to a reporter, especially prior to a deal being done.

The guy just isn't that open with the media...

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

This thread does not need to be a conversation about whether you like or hate the trade. That can stay in the thread already up there. This is merely to pull out the conversation to assure everyone knows no one on either team has talked to anyone on either team about this deal. It's Rosenhaus writing a story and trying to find dance partners. Tomorrow's story will be someone else and Briggs.


That is obvious. They have Fletcher, Washington and Rocky

Maybe Snyder is doing Drew a favor? Unless Washington is too hurt.

[MRMADD]

Neither team has talked to each other. The Redskins acknowledged through Snyder that Briggs is a guy they'd like and Chicago should feel free to call. Rosenhaus confirms to Glazer and tells Cerrato the Bears are hot for this and they told him they were waiting on a call. Can anyone say drumming up interest in one's client with no actual conversation between the teams having taken place?

Though, you kind of have to find Rosenhaus as our personal pimp pretty cute.

If this proves to be all rumor, I'll be greatly relieved. It will be no surprise that Rosenhaus -- who's got every hyperventilating ESPN reporter on his speed-dial -- wanted to get this on the news. It drives up the perceived value of his client.

And it would also explain why Joe Gibbs was left out of the negotiations. There's no way Joe, who's supposed to be in charge, would only be informed after Danny had talked to the media, right? Unless all these stories about Joe having control are all wrong...

The whole thing sounds crazy. I hope I wake up and find this thing completely refuted. We've tried bringing in former Pro Bowl linebackers before -- Barrow, Trotter -- who didn't pan out. Briggs is no guaranteed success. He's talented, sure, but he plays with some awfully good players who might make him look better than he would here.

But I'll tell you this much: if we make this offer, the Bears will accept in a second. They get to dump a disgruntled player who wants a big payday and get the #6 pick in return? It's Christmas in Chicago.

[jwpanic]

why would schefter report a rumor? this isn't pft.

[Gilgamesh]

Thank you for putting that into context Art. I can sleep peacefully now. No more coffee for me after 6:00PM...

[Dirk Diggler]

This thread does not need to be a conversation about whether you like or hate the trade. That can stay in the thread already up there. This is merely to pull out the conversation to assure everyone knows no one on either team has talked to anyone on either team about this deal. It's Rosenhaus writing a story and trying to find dance partners. Tomorrow's story will be someone else and Briggs.

If it's true that Snyder had an actual conversation with Briggs, then wouldn't that have to be ok'd by the Bears? If not isn't it tampering?

The way these trades tend to work out - two teams agree on compensation and then the team accepting the player tries to work out a contract extension. If the extension falls through - no deal. I'm not sure how it's possible that no one from the Skins has talked to the Bears or vice versa.

[Art]

As the teams haven't talked yet, and the article by Glazer states an official call from the Redskins would occur through Gibbs, it would, as you know, confirm the leadership of the organization. This story, though, was not mature enough to get into. The teams will doubtless talk about many issues, so anything's possible. But, for now, this is Rosenhaus giving the media dance partners :).

[Mister Happy]

Not only did the teams not talk, but the Bears didn't even express interest. They only said they were waiting for an official call from the Redskins.

[Art]

If it's true that Snyder had an actual conversation with Briggs, then wouldn't that have to be ok'd by the Bears? If not isn't it tampering?

The way these trades tend to work out - two teams agree on compensation and then the team accepting the player tries to work out a contract extension. If the extension falls through - no deal. I'm not sure how it's possible that no one from the Skins has talked to the Bears or vice versa.

Dirk,

Read the reports. According to Glazer Rosenhaus told him the Skins were interested in that trade and Snyder said the team would talk to Chicago. Rosenhaus told Cerrato Chicago already expressed interest and were waiting on a call. Neither team, obviously, has talked. And, Snyder is an owner of a football team. Seeing a player in the halls and saying hello, asking how he's holding up, telling him he admires his play, whatever, is not tampering. It's called a conversation :).

[Art]

Not only did the teams not talk, but the Bears didn't even express interest. They only said they were waiting for an official call from the Redskins.

No they didn't. Rosenhaus said they said they were waiting on call from the Redskins :).

[flexxskins]

It is so hard to believe that rumors/reports can start like this involving specific picks and players and yet neither team has actually spoken with one another.

[onnie007]

I can't fathom Snyder genuinely and openly expressing his desire to make a deal to a reporter, especially prior to a deal being done.

The guy just isn't that open with the media...

Yeah, smells like a rumor to me. Probably a rumor drummed up by Rosenhaus to get his client paid.

[SMOSS89]

I just think they are trying get the best value for the 6th pick. My guess is they wont do it, then the next team that wants it will try will ramp up the price.

[terpfan]

Why are we even interested in Briggs, honestly?

Oh yeah, because we are the Redskins and we are willing to pay through the nose for big name players.

Briggs is a nice player, but he's not a need for us. He's a luxury, one we can't afford. Unless they want to ship him over here for a future third round pick. When we come up with another pathetic pass rushing performance next year I hope Gregg Williams is happy with his All World linebackers.

Art, if you really believe that this is all Rosenhaus' doing (I thought so too up until now) then good for you and I hope you're right. But I don't have that kind of faith anymore. It's all too familiar.

[SonnyandSam]

I just heard Glazer's WORDS on the radio. He reported on JT the Brick's radio show that Glazer was sitting having a drink with Danny. Rosenhaus walked up to the two of them with Briggs. They started talking in front of Glazer and Danny said to Rosenhaus, "Tell the Bears we'll give them our 6th pick in the draft for Briggs and the Bears first round pick".

That sounds like a Redskins offer to me. Glazer's actual words are much more direct than his article above that Art posted.

I don't like it but it sounds like the Skins will make the deal if the Bears will....and why the heck would the Bears be dumb enough to turn it down?

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

Why are we even interested in Briggs, honestly?

Oh yeah, because we are the Redskins and we are willing to pay through the nose for big name players.

Briggs is a nice player, but he's not a need for us. He's a luxury, one we can't afford. Unless they want to ship him over here for a future third round pick. When we come up with another pathetic pass rushing performance next year I hope Gregg Williams is happy with his All World linebackers.

Art, if you really believe that this is all Rosenhaus' doing (I thought so too up until now) then good for you and I hope you're right. But I don't have that kind of faith anymore. It's all too familiar.


THE TRADE IS LIES. They signed Fletcher and still have Marshall and Rocky on contract.


Why do you belive everything you read? First the Bly deal was done. Then Russle is going to be a Redskin. Now Briggs? Come on.

[terpfan]

I just heard Glazer's WORDS on the radio. He reported on JT the Brick's radio show that Glazer was sitting having a drink with Danny. Rosenhaus walked up to the two of them with Briggs. They started talking in front of Glazer and Danny said to Rosenhaus, "Tell the Bears we'll give them our 6th pick in the draft for Briggs and the Bears first round pick".
LOL, are you serious? I'm not sure I can believe that.

[Gilgamesh]

Sounds like it may have been staged to me. Danny and Drew get on well, and perhaps he was doing him a favor to drum up business for his client.

[terpfan]

THE TRADE IS LIES. They signed Fletcher and still have Marshall and Rocky on contract.


Why do you belive everything you read? First the Bly deal was done. Then Russle is going to be a Redskin. Now Briggs? Come on.
So we arent even interested then?

I'm going on the idea that where there's smoke there's fire. Is the deal done? No, obviously not. But it's out there, and even that fact saddens me.

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

Sounds like it may have been staged to me. Danny and Drew get on well, and perhaps he was doing him a favor to drum up business for his client.

Yeah , trades to not get made like that. Not with a reporter sitting right there . LOL.:doh:

[SonnyandSam]

LOL, are you serious? I'm not sure I can believe that.


Honest....I just heard Glazer's words on the radio coming home from work. Glazer's voice sounded like he could not believe the offer was made right in front of his face.

So the offer is REAL, folks. Deal with it....this is no rumor from Rosenhaus. The question is will the Bears deal?

Inquiring minds want to know........ :D

[pjfootballer]

Isn't Drew Rosenhouse the agent for Jamarcus Russell also?

[SonnyandSam]

Sounds like it may have been staged to me. Danny and Drew get on well, and perhaps he was doing him a favor to drum up business for his client.

Glazer heard it and he reported it as a real deal.....not a wink and a laugh conversation.

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

Honest....I just heard Glazer's words on the radio coming home from work. Glazer's voice sounded like he could not believe the offer was made right in front of his face.

So the offer is REAL, folks. Deal with it....this is no rumor from Rosenhaus. The question is will the Bears deal?

Inquiring minds want to know........ :D


Its LIES. LOL. Unless Snyder was drunk. No owner will make a deal in front of the leading gossip/ newbreaking guy.


Its just to drum up interest in the 6th pick from other teams. So they can trade down or up.

[zoony]

We'll soon find out if you're right, Art. Not a bad bit of detective work though.

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

Jay Glazer is a MORON. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Snyder and Drew just made him look like a tool.

[pjfootballer]

If Drew is the agent for Russell, he tried to drum up a trade scenerio just like this to hype his client up.

[Art]

Glazer heard it and he reported it as a real deal.....not a wink and a laugh conversation.

I'm familiar with every person who works for the Chicago Bears. I can't find Drew Rosenhaus. Can you tell me his title? Look, Snyder is clearly giving Drew ammunition to use for other teams. "Hey, the Skins would have given the sixth pick, come on, what do you want to go with."

Though, again, Snyder telling anything to Rosenhaus is not an offer to anyone for anything because Rosenhaus is only the guy who can hear and effect monetary offers for his client and nothing else.

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

I'm familiar with every person who works for the Chicago Bears. I can't find Drew Rosenhaus. Can you tell me his title? Look, Snyder is clearly giving Drew ammunition to use for other teams. "Hey, the Skins would have given the sixth pick, come on, what do you want to go with."

Though, again, Snyder telling anything to Rosenhaus is not an offer to anyone for anything because Rosenhaus is only the guy who can hear and effect monetary offers for his client and nothing else.


This is silly Art. I know these guys believe it on a message board because they hate Snyder. But why would Jay Glazer believe this?

[Gilgamesh]

Glazer heard it and he reported it as a real deal.....not a wink and a laugh conversation.

Yes, but doesn't the timing of that conversation seem suspicious to you? Danny would know that the whole world would know about the proposal within a short while of him saying it. I think he's either being shrewd or he's messing with Glazer for some reason.

[Gilgamesh]

This is silly Art. I know these guys believe it on a message board because they hate Snyder. But why would Jay Glazer believe this?

All journalists live to break big stories...and lets face it he may be a good sports journalist but he ain't Bob Woodward...

[Art]

This is silly Art. I know these guys believe it on a message board because they hate Snyder. But why would Jay Glazer believe this?

I don't believe Glazer does. He disclaims the trade at the end giving all the reasons it might not happen, and no where in his article does he suggest Snyder offered such a comment as he specifically says when asked about such a trade, Snyder said we'd be interested in Briggs. I don't actually believe it happened, because I don't believe Snyder does enough with the media even if Glazer is the chosen leak :). But, if it did happen, it's a way to help Rosenhaus for a favor in return.

[Art]

Yes, but doesn't the timing of that conversation seem suspicious to you? Danny would know that the whole world would know about the proposal within a short while of him saying it. I think he's either being shrewd or he's messing with Glazer for some reason.

If this happened -- so far only one person confirms hearing it I think -- it's either a favor to Rosenhaus to help him make a deal somewhere, or it's a way to signal to the Bears they could have No. 6, getting them excited about it, and when they call, to tell them they can have it, but we want more than No. 31 and Briggs. Make them dream about the pick and ask for just a little more. Whatever.

[SonnyandSam]

I'm familiar with every person who works for the Chicago Bears. I can't find Drew Rosenhaus. Can you tell me his title? Look, Snyder is clearly giving Drew ammunition to use for other teams. "Hey, the Skins would have given the sixth pick, come on, what do you want to go with."

Though, again, Snyder telling anything to Rosenhaus is not an offer to anyone for anything because Rosenhaus is only the guy who can hear and effect monetary offers for his client and nothing else.

But this is more than a typical Rosehaus rumor. Snyder was heard making the offer. That does not make it a "real" offer because nothing formal has "apparently" been offered to the bears. Sure it could be Danny stirring the pot. After all.....we are in the smoke and mirrors month leading up to the draft. Can't trust much of anything anyone says at this point. But to be heard DIRECTLY by a sports media guy making such an offer is sure ads credibility to the rumor.

IF Danny just wanted the rumor out, he could have talked to Rosenhaus quietly and NOT IN FRONT OF GLAZER.

I don't believe everything....frankly very little....that I read these days....but you can't dismiss this story as nothing....like you appear to be doing.

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

I don't believe Glazer does. He disclaims the trade at the end giving all the reasons it might not happen, and no where in his article does he suggest Snyder offered such a comment as he specifically says when asked about such a trade, Snyder said we'd be interested in Briggs. I don't actually believe it happened, because I don't believe Snyder does enough with the media even if Glazer is the chosen leak :). But, if it did happen, it's a way to help Rosenhaus for a favor in return.


That makes the most sense. Help Rosenhaus for a favor in return. I stopped reading the story when it said he is looking for Gibbs for approval.

Where is he looking for Gibbs. At south beach? At a strip club? Gibbs is always in his office, home or at church. He does not have his cell phone?


I need to stop reading these online articles LOL.

[Mercuryrising]

This is silly Art. I know these guys believe it on a message board because they hate Snyder. But why would Jay Glazer believe this?

He might not. He sort of throws out a disclaimer on it at the end of the story. Hey it gives him something to write, other than: "Not much new today". Writers write, it is what they do.

[terpfan]

Sounds like it may have been staged to me. Danny and Drew get on well, and perhaps he was doing him a favor to drum up business for his client.
How funny would that be?

(please be true)

[Seabee1973]

Briggs only has 3.5 sacks on his career . WTF


I just heard he was a franchise player. I would prefer Calvin Johnson


Tampa is supposedly gonna try to jump to the number 2 spot to take him

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

Tampa is supposedly gonna try to jump to the number 2 spot to take him


Well i would prefer anybody other than Briggs. 3.5 sacks sucks. That sounds Warrick Holdmanish to me. Almost like a system linebacker just filling his role and making tackles.

I want a Merriman type.

[Gilgamesh]

If this happened -- so far only one person confirms hearing it I think -- it's either a favor to Rosenhaus to help him make a deal somewhere, or it's a way to signal to the Bears they could have No. 6, getting them excited about it, and when they call, to tell them they can have it, but we want more than No. 31 and Briggs. Make them dream about the pick and ask for just a little more. Whatever.

I have to say I'd be very impressed with our ownership if either of these scenarios proved true. It would signal a subtle but significant shift in how we operate - Daniel Snyder using his own reputation as a free spender and win now at all costs type of owner to either leverage a future cap-friendly deal with Rosenhaus as the back half of a "quid pro quo" or to try and get the Bears to offer something more than just Briggs and the 31st to get to number 6...all while manipulating the same sports journalists who love to put a negative spin on almost any Snyder related story. I'd be extremely impressed.

[Seabee1973]

Sounds like it may have been staged to me. Danny and Drew get on well, and perhaps he was doing him a favor to drum up business for his client.


of course they get along well here is what a convo between them sound like.

Drew: Hey danny i have a client who wants a 5 yr 15 million with 5 garanteed.

Danny: Dont worry Drew you dont have to p[ull my leg Ill fax yopu a contract in the morning for 6 yrs 35 million 12 garanteed

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Been through a few "Briggs" threads. Just wanted to say that I hate this rumor/report. I really will not be happy if he comes here. He can't help us any more than Marshall can at "Will". No way this deal should happen. We'd be idiots to do it. But then again, we've been idiots for going on 15 years now. Hope things really have changed :)
HTTR

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

:(
Been through a few "Briggs" threads. Just wanted to say that I hate this rumor/report. I really will not be happy if he comes here. He can't help us any more than Marshall can at "Will". No way this deal should happen. We'd be idiots to do it. But then again, we've been idiots for going on 15 years now. Hope things really have changed :)
HTTR


BUT HE HAS 3.5 CAREER SACKS.:doh:

[JRAB]

The problem with the trade is that, not only would it mean they gave up completely on McIntosh, but that we are giving up premier picks in order to get a LB.

LB's traditionally are very easy to get in 4-3 schemes. Find an athletic guy who can run, tackle and has some instincts and plug him in at OLB. Those guys can be had in the second, third and even later rounds.

Look at 4-3 teams and how many pick DL round 1 instead of LB. It's simply more difficult to find good talent outside of round 1 on the DL than it is at LB. How many LB's that are taken by 4-3 teams are even taken in the first round? The occasional Vilma or Urlacher... but not nearly as many as DL.

Just like when we paid all the money to Lavar instead of Champ. I said it then that LB's are much easier to find than CB's. I was right about which one we should've kept then and I'll be right on this one too, I'd bet.

Please, please don't make this trade. :doh:

[McD5]

Everyone acts like by getting Briggs....we wouldn't get a defensive lineman. That isn't true....we can use the 31st, or even move higher, to get a defensive lineman in addition to Briggs. 109 tackles, 4 forced fumbles and two interceptions is nothing to sneeze at. And we all know Fletcher won't be around for more than two more seasons......so get Briggs now, or draft another linebacker with next seasons top pick.


:logo:

[LoudMouth12thMan]

:(


BUT HE HAS 3.5 CAREER SACKS.:doh:
Sorry didn't see that :silly:

[JRAB]

Everyone acts like by getting Briggs....we wouldn't get a defensive lineman. That isn't true....we can use the 31st, or even move higher, to get a defensive lineman in addition to Briggs. 109 tackles, 4 forced fumbles and two interceptions is nothing to sneeze at. And we all know Fletcher won't be around for more than two more seasons......so get Briggs now, or draft another linebacker with next seasons top pick.


:logo:

It's the quality of DL we can get. So many are saying even a DL at #6 isn't likely to help that much in his first year. What will a DL taken at 31 be like?

Oh, nevermind. I'm too depressed to write about it anymore.

[0mega]

First, no deal has been offered by anyone associated with the Redskins to the Bears for Briggs as of this moment. The reporting on this came quickly and got a little confusing. Let's recap so everyone can breathe.

1. Adam Schefter reports Bears considering sending Briggs and their first round pick 31 overall To the skins for the 6th overall pick.

2. Glazer reports the following:



The first report from Shefter suggests the Bears would like that trade, but says nothing about us. The second report, says DIRECTLY that Rosenhaus told Glazer the Redskins would do that trade. Glazer asked Snyder, who said hi to Briggs apparently, and Snyder said the team would be interested in a move for Briggs, and we were waiting on Chicago to call us.

As the two men left the area, Rosenhaus reportedly told them Chicago was waiting on a call from them.

Uh.

Anyone else see what's happening?

Neither team has talked to each other. The Redskins acknowledged through Snyder that Briggs is a guy they'd like and Chicago should feel free to call. Rosenhaus confirms to Glazer and tells Cerrato the Bears are hot for this and they told him they were waiting on a call. Can anyone say drumming up interest in one's client with no actual conversation between the teams having taken place?

Though, you kind of have to find Rosenhaus as our personal pimp pretty cute.
I hope you're right.

[deejaydana]

if this trade would ever go through I would ban myself from this website cause what I would post would be unfit for all eyes. I pray this is just more rumor mongering. Briggs is over-rated and has a crap attitude, exactly what Cerrato's valued in the past. Yikes.

[SonnyandSam]

To all those who think Briggs is not so great....in his last three years as a pro, he has been an

2004 Pro Bowl Alternate
2005 ALL PRO First Team
2006 Pro Bowl first string NFC

He is only about 20 tackles behind Urlacher over that three year period.

Ladies and gentlemen.....Lance Briggs is a proven Pro Bowl linebacker and one of the best in the league for the past three years.

Argue we do not need a linebacker but anyone arguing he is average or not very good or make fun of him as a player is only showing how little you know about NFL players and their abilities. Briggs would instantly become the best linebacker on the Redskins.

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

To all those who think Briggs is not so great....in his last three years as a pro, he has been an

2004 Pro Bowl Alternate
2005 ALL PRO First Team
2006 Pro Bowl first string NFC

He is only about 20 tackles behind Urlacher over that three year period.

Ladies and gentlemen.....Lance Briggs is a proven Pro Bowl linebacker and one of the best in the league for the past three years.

Argue we do not need a linebacker but anyone arguing he is average or not very good or make fun of him as a player is only showing how little you know about NFL players and their abilities. Briggs would instantly become the best linebacker on the Redskins.


He is a system linebacker. Rocky can be as good as him. We are fine at linebacker.


He had 3.5 career sacks in 5 years. Thats a joke. If this was Merriman i would do the deal. A LB/DE pass rushing guy.

This guy is another Warrick Holdman. He is a great player for the Bears system.


Thats it. If Snyder makes this move. OH MY. I am going to Joe Gibbs house and telling him to leave this sinful place and just do his nascar.

[bubba9497]

No they didn't. Rosenhaus said they said they were waiting on call from the Redskins :).



per Lenny P.



Rosenhaus, who has struck several deals with Snyder, said later Monday that reaching a contract agreement with the Redskins was "a strong likelihood." But he also acknowledged that Washington still had to formalize a trade proposal and the Bears had to accept.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2814052

[FrFan]

Here is another article about this possible trade from PFT (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm):


'SKINS MAKING A PLAY FOR BRIGGS?

Adam Schefter of NFL Network and Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com report that the Redskins and Bears are contemplating a trade that would send the No. 6 overall pick to Chicago for linebacker Lance Briggs and the No. 31 overall pick in the draft.

But didn't the 'Skins learn last year the folly of trying to force a Tampa 2 specialist into Gregg Williams' defense? Though we can't fault Adam Archuleta (one of our sponsors) for taking $10 million guaranteed, the Redskins should have considered more carefully the question of whether the player would fit within the system.

Briggs' success possibly is a product of his role as the weakside linebacker in the Tampa 2 defense, which gives him a lot of freedom to roam in open space and make tackles. As the "will" in a traditional 4-3, will he be as effective?

It's a big risk for the Redskins to take, in our view. But we have a feeling that owner Dan Snyder (who has been uncharacteristically quiet in free agency) is itching to make a big deal, especially at a time when he's rubbing elbows with his 31 partners/competitors at the NFL's 2007 Annual Meeting.'


A good point to raise the question about Briggs ability to fit our system.
Anything can happen with this FA paranoia

[Califan007]

per Lenny P.

"Rosenhaus, who has struck several deals with Snyder, said later Monday that reaching a contract agreement with the Redskins was "a strong likelihood." But he also acknowledged that Washington still had to formalize a trade proposal and the Bears had to accept. "



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ..."It's practically a done deal, even though I have no idea what the actual deal is." :laugh:

[boofMcboof]

I thought April Fools was still a couple days away.

[SkinsGuy]

per Lenny P.

Rosenhaus, who has struck several deals with Snyder, said later Monday that reaching a contract agreement with the Redskins was "a strong likelihood." But he also acknowledged that Washington still had to formalize a trade proposal and the Bears had to accept


That's a pretty funny and ridiculous quote.

He's saying the deal is done, if only the two sides would contact each other. :laugh:

Sounds like Lenny P. and Rosenhaus are trying to make a deal amongst themselves, and talk the two teams into taking it. :)

[SonnyandSam]

He is a system linebacker. Rocky can be as good as him. We are fine at linebacker.


He had 3.5 career sacks in 5 years. Thats a joke. If this was Merriman i would do the deal. A LB/DE pass rushing guy.

This guy is another Warrick Holdman. He is a great player for the Bears system.


Thats it. If Snyder makes this move. OH MY. I am going to Joe Gibbs house and telling him to leave this sinful place and just do his nascar.


Come on....argue we don't need a linebacker but stop trashing a great linebacker. Holdman NEVER went to the Pro Bowl. And sacks are only important to linebackers on teams with crappy front lines. Go ahead tell me these guys suck as linebackers, too....

Derrick Brooks 13.5 sacks in 12 years
Donnie Edwards 21.5 sacks in 11 years
London Fletcher 27.5 sacks in 9 years
Al Wilson 21 sacks in 8 years
Lofa Tatupu 5 sacks in 2 years
Antonio Pierce 5.5 sacks in 6 years


The point is simple....great linebackers are not always great pass rushers. They have important responsibilities including tackling and pass defensing. Briggs is a respected top flight linebacker that football people respect as a talented linebacker. He covers secondary receivers better than most any linebacker in the league.

I understand people's arguments against signing a linebacker but you undermine your own credibility when you fail to recognize quality players and use weak arguments like "Uh...man 3.5 sacks is a joke...who cares if he is one of the top 10 tacklers in the league the past three years and returned 3 interceptions for turnovers and is one of the league leading linebackers in forced turnovers....heck....he still only has 3. 5 sacks so he must suck...."

Why do I even bother posting on this board any more....... :doh:

[0mega]

Come on....argue we don't need a linebacker but stop trashing a great linebacker. Holdman NEVER went to the Pro Bowl. And sacks are only important to linebackers on teams with crappy front lines. Go ahead tell me these guys suck as linebackers, too....

Derrick Brooks 13.5 sacks in 12 years
Donnie Edwards 21.5 sacks in 11 years
London Fletcher 27.5 sacks in 9 years
Al Wilson 21 sacks in 8 years
Lofa Tatupu 5 sacks in 2 years
Antonio Pierce 5.5 sacks in 6 years


The point is simple....great linebackers are not always great pass rushers. They have important responsibilities including tackling and pass defensing. Briggs is a respected top flight linebacker that football people respect as a talented linebacker. He covers secondary receivers better than most any linebacker in the league.

I understand people's arguments against signing a linebacker but you undermine your own credibility when you fail to recognize quality players and use weak arguments like "Uh...man 3.5 sacks is a joke...who cares if he is one of the top 10 tacklers in the league the past three years and returned 3 interceptions for turnovers and is one of the league leading linebackers in forced turnovers....heck....he still only has 3. 5 sacks so he must suck...."

Why do I even bother posting on this board any more....... :doh:
I agree that Briggs is an intruiging player. Noone can realistically call into question WHAT he has done in Chicago. He's performed at a consistantly high level - even before the media hype machine caught on.

However, HOW it has been done can certainly be taken into consideration. Dude has had the luxury of playing behing what is probably the best D line in football, and next to one of the most dominant MLBs. He's an unknown quantity outside of Chicago. Who knows what we'll be getting when we put him behind OUR ("not so dominant" D line). If we were talking strictly UFA, then I'd still have my reservations, but atleast we wouldn't be talking about giving up the #6 pick in the draft.

If they want the #6 bad enough, then I'd do it for #31, #37, and Briggs. Otherwise, let him be THEIR headache.

:logo:

[Califan007]

As others have eluded to, Snyder is stealth-like when he's serious about his contract and trade negotiations. Whenever he's been loud and boisterous, though--and especially in front of anyone from the media--it's usually just for show and headlines, nothing more.

[HapHaszard]

Sounds like have your people call my people sorta deal to me. Dan making a deal in front of a media guy is not something I would expect to happen, more like he was joking with Drew, or just being polite.

[Loxley]

I think from what ive read here, he is having a joke at their expense for a change.

[Chump Bailey]

I agree that Briggs is an intruiging player. Noone can realistically call into question WHAT he has done in Chicago. He's performed at a consistantly high level - even before the media hype machine caught on.

However, HOW it has been done can certainly be taken into consideration. Dude has had the luxury of playing behing what is probably the best D line in football, and next to one of the most dominant MLBs. He's an unknown quantity outside of Chicago. Who knows what we'll be getting when we put him behind OUR ("not so dominant" D line). If we were talking strictly UFA, then I'd still have my reservations, but atleast we wouldn't be talking about giving up the #6 pick in the draft.

If they want the #6 bad enough, then I'd do it for #31, #37, and Briggs. Otherwise, let him be THEIR headache.

:logo:


I agree with this, though I still doubt I would pull the trigger. I do think LB is not as strong a position as some perceive it to be, but I am still hesitant to miss out on either Branch, Anderson, Carriker or Okoye. We might be able to get Tank Tyler, who I do like and possibly Meariweather with the Bears
#31 & #37 as you propose.

Just throwing it out there, but I would take Patrick Willis over Briggs in a second also:2cents:

[Veretax]

its a smoke screen I tell ya ;)

[Art]

I agree with the statements here that sacks do not define a linebacker. Lavar Arrington's greatest season as a pro was with Marty. He had .5 sacks. He had .5 sacks and literally changed how teams could play against us. He was put into a simple system. Told to drop back 10 yards and come forward to lower the boom and BOOM. The next season, in a complex defense, he had 11 sacks and was, LITERALLY, horrible. He was so bad at linebacker, Lewis threw him up at end to Arrington's disappointment and struggle. Most of those sacks were late in plays and garbage type. That was his worst season as a healthy professional.

The fixation with sacks on this board is just weird. That is no what defines most players. Our system will automatically take sacks away from defensive linemen based on what we ask them to do and what we hope to accomplish, which, for us, is stopping the run with seven guys, requiring your defensive line to engage, peek into the backfield, diagnose, then shed. This allows Williams to play the games in the back seven that ultimately confuse teams when he's got a group he is comfortable with.

[BillyKilmer]

Why???? :doh: :doh: Rocky won't see the field again wasted last years number 2 )

We could have traded down that 6th and gotten some sorely needed depth :(

I don't care Art I am going to say it here.

THIS TRADE STINKS OF ALL THE THINGS SAY ARE BAD ABOUT SNYDER.

p.s I am no Snyder hater ... but he is working on my last nerve!

[Burgold]

Another possibility, when asked by a reporter about Briggs, Snyder said, "Sure we like 'im. Great player. We'd love to have him." Just being nice, versus, "Eh, what a loser. He's a bum trying to screw over his own team. I wouldn't touch a jerk like that with a ten foot pole."

Saying someone is good and that you would like to have them is different than saying you are actively interest in trying to get them. One is being polite or honest (I'm sure there are 50 players out there that we all would like on our team) The other is a statement of action.

[BillyKilmer]

[QUOTE=Burgold]Another possibility, when asked by a reporter about Briggs, Snyder said, "Sure we like 'im. Great player. We'd love to have him." Just being nice, QUOTE]


Wouldn't this be tampering?

[Burgold]

No, not if you say that about every player. It's called being polite. If someone asks Gibbs about the worst team in the league he usually will say how impressive they are and what great players they have, that they'll be lucky to beat them. Now, is that an honest assessment? No. I think it's possible that Danny would not disparaige any player if asked about him and his answer, given his history, could be seen as interest.

At least I hope so...

It's sort of like if we work in the office on different floors and I hear one of your guys is moving up to my floor and I ask,

"So, what about Mike?"

And you say,

"Mike. He's cool. He's a good guy."

Does that really mean you're endorsing him?

[Veretax]

Here's a nother problem. We are only about 5 mil under the cap right now. Who do we have to cut in order to sign Briggs and our #31 pick? I'm tellin you this makes no sense at all

[BillyKilmer]

Here's a nother problem. We are only about 5 mil under the cap right now. Who do we have to cut in order to sign Briggs and our #31 pick? I'm tellin you this makes no sense at all
Agreed and thats why it will happen :mad: :mad:

[SkinsFTW]

Lavar Arrington's greatest season as a pro was with Marty. He had .5 sacks. He had .5 sacks and literally changed how teams could play against us. He was put into a simple system.

Thats why I say sign Marty to be our DC of our All Pro Coaching Squad. Move Williams to linebackers coach or something. Or make him play Strong Safety for a year to make up for the Archuleta BS. We have enough head coach candidates anyway.

[SkinsFTW]

Here's a nother problem. We are only about 5 mil under the cap right now. Who do we have to cut in order to sign Briggs and our #31 pick? I'm tellin you this makes no sense at all

They could just change their annual restructure of 1/2 the team to a bi-monthly deal where we can just sign anybody anytime we want as long as they have 20-30 willing to take another bonus for a lower base.

[DCMONEY]

Rumor or not this kinda off season transactions fit the Skins past history. Its ridiculous.

[allwet]

Derrick Brooks 13.5 sacks in 12 years
Donnie Edwards 21.5 sacks in 11 years
London Fletcher 27.5 sacks in 9 years
Al Wilson 21 sacks in 8 years
Lofa Tatupu 5 sacks in 2 years
Antonio Pierce 5.5 sacks in 6 years




I'll agree with the post in general that sacks don't tell the whole story about a linebacker or even a defensive lineman, but I thought I would point out that all of the lbs you mention are middle lbs (I'm not positive about Lofa) who in general have fewer attempts at sacks versus outside lbs.

To the least, your stats do make London Fletcher look impressive.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

You know how Charlie Brown also says, "Why can't I have a normal dog like everyone else?"....

Why can't I have a normal team like everyone else?

[TK]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2814052 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2814052)

Redskins may put together offer for Bears' Briggs

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com






PHOENIX -- While a proposal has yet to be formalized, the Washington Redskins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was) will make a trade offer to the Chicago Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi) aimed at acquiring two-time Pro Bowl weakside linebacker Lance Briggs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6404), agent Drew Rosenhaus and two league sources told ESPN.com late Monday night.





Even Len doesn't know. His headline suggests a rumor, then his story insists it's nearly a done deal, pending an official offer & acceptance.

[Veretax]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2814052 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2814052)

Redskins may put together offer for Bears' Briggs

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com






PHOENIX -- While a proposal has yet to be formalized, theWashington Redskins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was) will make a trade offer to the Chicago Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi) aimed at acquiring two-time Pro Bowl weakside linebacker Lance Briggs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6404), agent Drew Rosenhaus and two league sources told ESPN.com late Monday night.





Even Len doesn't know. His headline suggests a rumor, then his story insists it's nearly a done deal, pending an official offer & acceptance.

Translation, the two parties havent spoken, but a deal could be made?? BS if you ask me

[BKSkinsFan]

So much for enjoying the quiet and steady offseason we finally deserved. Every Skins fan's pet peeve is hearing how Snyder runs the team, even when time after time Gibbs reiterates that he makes the personnel decisions.

Then we hear that Snyder is offering up trade scenarios in front of a reporter. I don't care if it was a favor for Rosenhaus or not, that was stupid. Way to get the media to stop writing stories on how you run the team.

[EnFoRcEr_uPu]

I guess it works if we trade/cut Lemar. Thats the only way.

What does Lamar have to do with this? The most expendable LB we would have would be him if you ask me. They've invested too much to write off McIntosh without giving him an actual chance to play. Washington and Fletcher aren't going anywhere, so that leaves Marshall the odd man out.

[Buford]

What a freaking mess.

Why do this? Do you have no faith in Washington, Fletcher and Rocky? Is it worth the huge contract he would get?

They addressed their LB issues this offseason.

If you're trading that pick for a player and some other picks. Then look at teams between 10-20 who have a DL they can part with, and give them the 6th for that player, the pick and maybe another 1st day pick. But Briggs? He just wants to get paid.

[waterwagen]

I think we're thickening the smokescreen with only a month to go till the draft. What are we going to do???? CJ??? JR???? Trade for Briggs???? :D

Keeps everyone else on their toes.

[ConcordNCSkinsFan]

Rosenhaus uses the Redskins as leverage for his clients, the same way "so-called" information guys like King, Fat Lenny, and Schefter use us to give the rumors they spread more juice.

[waterwagen]

Rosenhaus uses the Redskins as leverage for his clients, the same way "so-called" information guys like King, Fat Lenny, and Schefter use us to give the rumors they spread more juice.I agree, but Snyder apparently commented on this too, so this is not total hot air.

[Peregrine]

An agent making up fake stories to get interest in his client?

*GAPS*

That sounds unethical!

[McD5]

Come on....argue we don't need a linebacker but stop trashing a great linebacker. Holdman NEVER went to the Pro Bowl. And sacks are only important to linebackers on teams with crappy front lines. Go ahead tell me these guys suck as linebackers, too....

Derrick Brooks 13.5 sacks in 12 years
Donnie Edwards 21.5 sacks in 11 years
London Fletcher 27.5 sacks in 9 years
Al Wilson 21 sacks in 8 years
Lofa Tatupu 5 sacks in 2 years
Antonio Pierce 5.5 sacks in 6 years


The point is simple....great linebackers are not always great pass rushers. They have important responsibilities including tackling and pass defensing. Briggs is a respected top flight linebacker that football people respect as a talented linebacker. He covers secondary receivers better than most any linebacker in the league.

I understand people's arguments against signing a linebacker but you undermine your own credibility when you fail to recognize quality players and use weak arguments like "Uh...man 3.5 sacks is a joke...who cares if he is one of the top 10 tacklers in the league the past three years and returned 3 interceptions for turnovers and is one of the league leading linebackers in forced turnovers....heck....he still only has 3. 5 sacks so he must suck...."

Why do I even bother posting on this board any more....... :doh:




Great Post. His stats are fantastic. Not 100% sure I would vote in favor, but definitely not the worst move the Skins have made if they follow through.
:logo:

[KTrainSkinsFan]

An agent making up fake stories to get interest in his client?

*GAPS*

That sounds unethical!

What's fake about this story? Drew said that the Bears would be interested in this trade...which obviously they would be (6 for 31 and riddance of disgruntled player). Drew also said that the Skins (Vinny/Danny) are interested...I don't think that is much of a stretch. Whether or not something actually gets done remains to be seen.

[Sekhmet187]

I would make the deal.

The LB core isn't that great. Especially if Washington doesn't recover from his injury well, and theres a big chance of that. Hips are important to defenders.

Briggs would make sense. He'd be worth the #6 pick in the draft, and plus the Redskins would still be able to get a starter at the DE/DT position.

Why are people so in love with the 1st round? How many of those guys have actually helped the Redskins the last 10 years?

[Hooper]

In a nutsell -- even if this trade doesn't happen, we are flat-out F--KED as long as the current front office is in place.

[mbraun2]

Oh God Gibbs making personel decisions. I don't know whos worse him or Vinny. I love what Joe has done in the past for this franchise, he earned his HOF spot, but he needs to defer to his assistants. This aint pre free agency where a 250 lbs left tackle works in the NFL. We have the assistants.... let them do their thing. Joe just be the freindly loveable figurehead and smile a lot. Thats all we need.

[mbraun2]

Why are people so in love with the 1st round? How many of those guys have actually helped the Redskins the last 10 years?

Outside of Sean Taylor and Chris Samuels. Not many, not many at all. Thats only because of the incompetence of our front office or their love of sending draft picks for vastly higher paid veterans.

[Sekhmet187]

Outside of Sean Taylor and Chris Samuels. Not many, not many at all. Thats only because of the incompetence of our front office or their love of sending draft picks for vastly higher paid veterans.

Not really. In fact, I was talking about when we draft players. How many picks have we traded away in the 1st round the last 10 years? What the Coles trade?

[teamcal00]

I've watched Briggs play quite a few times...as I know most of you have as well. He's certainly an upgrade over what we currently have / had at weakside linebacker (since Arrington was prior to injury). He's physical, fast and smart. Yeah, I'm sure he's benefited from the players around him, but he's a talent and productive none the less. You put him in a defense with the secondary and linebacking core we have now (assuming injuries don't cripple us this year), Briggs should make a large impact. The FO / Coaching staff obviously was / is concerned over multiple facets of the defense....not just the pass rush.

I'm not freaking out over this move by the FO, but if it doesn't work out again this time :rolleyes:

[Dick Edds]

Sounds like it may have been staged to me. Danny and Drew get on well, and perhaps he was doing him a favor to drum up business for his client.

this was my thought exactly, Drew and Danny are buddies, a littl quid pro quo if ya aksed me.

[Om]

In a nutsell -- even if this trade doesn't happen, we are flat-out F--KED as long as the current front office is in place.
My friend, it's tiresome enough seeing you in thread after thread finding ways to trash all things Redskins IN context of a thread. Do you also now feel the need to also do so in threads which, as even you point out, there is NO context? At some point, expressing negative opinions crosses the line to simply inflaming the board. I recommend thinking about picking your spots. I also call your attention to Rule #6 (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/announcement.php?f=24) about circumventing the profanity filter.

I suspect you'll ignore me on the former. I'd not recommend doing so on the latter.

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

My friend, it's tiresome enough seeing you in thread after thread finding ways to trash all things Redskins IN context of a thread. Do you also now feel the need to also do so in threads which, as even you point out, there is NO context? At some point, expressing negative opinions crosses the line to simply inflaming the board. I recommend thinking about picking your spots. I also call your attention to Rule #6 (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/announcement.php?f=24) about circumventing the profanity filter.

I suspect you'll ignore me on the former. I'd not recommend doing so on the latter.


Its almost like these guys need drama in their life. WE ARE DEAD. OMG. THE WORLD IS FALLING.

[DCMONEY]

I would make the deal.

The LB core isn't that great. Especially if Washington doesn't recover from his injury well, and theres a big chance of that. Hips are important to defenders.

Briggs would make sense. He'd be worth the #6 pick in the draft, and plus the Redskins would still be able to get a starter at the DE/DT position.

Why are people so in love with the 1st round? How many of those guys have actually helped the Redskins the last 10 years?

How many high priced free agents have benifited the Skins.

[Califan007]

In a nutsell -- even if this trade doesn't happen, we are flat-out F--KED as long as the current front office is in place.
So in other words, no matter what the FO does, it's wrong.

[Hooper]

My friend, it's tiresome enough seeing you in thread after thread finding ways to trash all things Redskins IN context of a thread. Do you also now feel the need to also do so in threads which, as even you point out, there is NO context? At some point, expressing negative opinions crosses the line to simply inflaming the board. I recommend thinking about picking your spots. I also call your attention to Rule #6 (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/announcement.php?f=24) about circumventing the profanity filter.

I suspect you'll ignore me on the former. I'd not recommend doing so on the latter.

My apologies when it comes to the profanity thing, OM.

As for the rest... well some on this board love the Redskins the way a child loves his mother. To a child their mom is perfect, without flaw, and all-knowing. Obviously, I am not that way. I recognize this franchise has some terrible flaws right now -- they've had them since since Danny, who for some reason I actually still kinda like, bought the team. That's why I'm so negative all the time. But I can understand why it would get old.

HTTR

[essex03]

If you are Rosenhaus, arent you going to say the Skins are interested??? Of course you are! They overpay for other teams players on a regular basis...

[illone]

If it's true that Snyder had an actual conversation with Briggs, then wouldn't that have to be ok'd by the Bears? If not isn't it tampering?


If Briggs happened to show up to the owners meeting and Snyder greeted him with a "Hi, Lance, how's life?" which then becomes the next trade rumor, I'd hardly call that tampering.

[Om]

My apologies when it comes to the profanity thing, OM.

As for the rest... well some on this board love the Redskins the way a child loves his mother. To a child their mom is perfect, without flaw, and all-knowing. Obviously, I am not that way. I recognize this franchise has some terrible flaws right now -- they've had them since since Danny, who for some reason I actually still kinda like, bought the team. That's why I'm so negative all the time. But I can understand why it would get old.

HTTR
Please understand--it's not a matter of having negative things to say. Lord knows if we tried to stop that there's be like six people left singing Kumbaya and boring the hell out of even themselves. It's how they're said (the rules part), and to a lesser extent, whether they need to be said so often that those saying them look for ways to say them even in threads where they themselves feel compelled to say, "well, while I know this has nothing to do with this thread---the Redskins suck." :)

[Art]

My apologies when it comes to the profanity thing, OM.

As for the rest... well some on this board love the Redskins the way a child loves his mother. To a child their mom is perfect, without flaw, and all-knowing. Obviously, I am not that way. I recognize this franchise has some terrible flaws right now -- they've had them since since Danny, who for some reason I actually still kinda like, bought the team. That's why I'm so negative all the time. But I can understand why it would get old.

HTTR

Hooper,

It's great you don't love your mom.

The problem I just now have with you is you can take the words of others who are not throwing themselves over a bridge with you and characterize them as believing the team is without flaw. If you'd actually bother to read the posts other people make you may discover that being negative can be accomplished without the sensation of ignorance so common to your posts and the posts of others like you.

More, though, no one would suggest there is no flaw in something. The request MIGHT be that you at least assign it where it belongs should you deem there to be a problem. Now, I find it brave for you to suggest we fire Joe Gibbs as you have in this thread saying we're in trouble as long as the current front office is in place. As the man who makes the decisions, I'm glad you would seek change in this area, and am surprised to see the first person here actually recommending Gibbs be terminated.

Start a thread on that and see who follows you.

Oh, wait. NO ONE.

Why? Because you tools have created a situation in your mind where Gibbs is without flaw and all flaws are on Cerrato or Snyder so you never have to be critical of a hero. I actually LOVE Joe Gibbs as a person. I think Snyder is a jerk as a person. It would be very much easier for me as a person if I could simply, ignorantly, cast blame on Snyder so my hero didn't have to have any.

I'm just more honest about that than you are.

Perhaps with maturity you guys can actually figure out the person running the ship and making all the decisions is the guy you're mad at, and not those who ask him what he wants to do.

[aqq]

The fixation with sacks on this board is just weird. That is no what defines most players. Our system will automatically take sacks away from defensive linemen based on what we ask them to do and what we hope to accomplish, which, for us, is stopping the run with seven guys, requiring your defensive line to engage, peek into the backfield, diagnose, then shed. This allows Williams to play the games in the back seven that ultimately confuse teams when he's got a group he is comfortable with.

So in GW's defense the redskin's do not scheme for sacks? Interesting:doh:

i think the fixation on the board with sacks is that when a team gets sacks that means they are putting pressure on the quarterback, which in turn helps the whole defense become more successful. Another reason for the fixation is maybe just maybe the redskins fan base is tired of watching games where the opposing qb drops backs and has all day to throw.

The bottom line is that as redskins fans we all would like a Super Bowl win. In order to accomplish that they need to upgrade the D-line. Hopefully you are right Art- that this rumor is just a way to help Rosenhaus with his client because a LB with 3.5 career sacks joining the redskins with 3 LB's already would be a total waste. Contrary to some opinions the defense needs to create more pressure on the qb which in turn will result in more sacks and turnovers. Thats the only way this team does any real damage next yr.

[Art]

So in GW's defense the redskin's do not scheme for sacks? Interesting:doh:

i think the fixation on the board with sacks is that when a teams gets sacks that means they are putting pressure on the quarterback, which in turn helps the whole defense become more successful. Another reason for the fixation is maybe just maybe the redskins fan base is tired of watching games where the opposing qb drops backs and has all day to throw.

The bottom line is that as redskins fans we all would like a Super Bowl win. In order to accomplish that they need to upgrade the D-line. Hopefully you are right Art- that this rumor is just a way to help Rosenhaus with his client because a LB with 3.5 career sacks joining the redskins with 3 LB's already would be a total waste. Contrary to some opinions the defense needs to create more pressure on the qb which in turn will result in more sacks and turnovers. Thats the only way this team does any real damage next yr.

The team does scheme for sacks. It sends rather exotic blitzes and linebackers, corners, safeties and others are designed to generate some pressure. Last year the problem was we couldn't cover so dramatically, we couldn't do that. And, foundationally, Williams believes no defense can be successful it it can't handle the running game with seven guys. So, for us, we are going to try and accomplish that as the primary thing we do as a defense. We were great at it for two years. Not so good last year.

The opposing QB had time to throw last year because we couldn't generate and scheme the pressure packages as easily for fear of the negative consequences, but they didn't have any time to throw the previous two years. The pressure we generated the previous two years was so extreme, opposing teams went to max protetion, quick release systems to beat us.

Perversely, last year's defense may actually help this years in a strange way. Teams will not have on game film a team that aggressively generates pressure, so they will likely have schemes that send more people into routes and develop more longer routes. If the team rebounds to past production with Williams, it will not be surprising to see us exploiting that early until teams adjust back again.

Obviously, last year's defense was horrible in every way, so, it's hard to really find a ton of positives where none were. But, it is a fact in our defense last year, the defensive line generally had the best performances for the year. The secondary and linebackers had weaker performances. The team actively sought to improve the other weaker areas first, as they should have, leaving it somewhat able to draft for future need in the draft by picking a DL who is ready to start in a year or so.

But, our system is designed in such a way that no lineman will really get great sacks because we don't turn them upfield as often as other teams might.

[aqq]

Obviously, last year's defense was horrible in every way, so, it's hard to really find a ton of positives where none were. But, it is a fact in our defense last year, the defensive line generally had the best performances for the year. The secondary and linebackers had weaker performances. The team actively sought to improve the other weaker areas first, as they should have, leaving it somewhat able to draft for future need in the draft by picking a DL who is ready to start in a year or so.

But, our system is designed in such a way that no lineman will really get great sacks because we don't turn them upfield as often as other teams might.

Lets just say for a second that the d-lineman on the redskins aren't supposed to rack up the sacks but are supposed to stay in lanes to stop the run why would u say that they even had a decent yr. The run defense was poor as well. Maybe the LB's and CB's where to blame some but the d-line didnt help the LB's out at all. Marcus Washington and Lemar Marchall where banged up most of the season but i dont think their performance dropped to the extent that it did just because of that. The d-line couldn't keep any blockers off of them.

I like to use the G-men as an example. I really believe that thier LB's and secondary were much worse than the redskins last yr but they had a good DL. That produced pressure and they put togethor a decent yr and playoffs. I just think if the skins improved that area 1st then the defense would take a big stride.

[Hooper]

Typical Art. Just making stuff up.

For the record, I love Joe Gibbs too. And for the record, I do not love him being a part of the front office whose other chief components are Danny Snyder and Vinny Frickin Cerrato. Simply put, he needs better help.

[Art]

Lets just say for a second that the d-lineman on the redskins aren't supposed to rack up the sacks but are supposed to stay in lanes to stop the run why would u say that they even had a decent yr. The run defense was poor as well. Maybe the LB's and CB's where to blame some but the d-line didnt help the LB's out at all. Marcus Washington and Lemar Marchall where banged up most of the season but i dont think their performance dropped to the extent that it did just because of that. The d-line couldn't keep any blockers off of them.

I like to use the G-men as an example. I really believe that thier LB's and secondary were much worse than the redskins last yr but they had a good DL. That produced pressure and they put togethor a decent yr and playoffs. I just think if the skins improved that area 1st then the defense would take a big stride.

Indeed, the run defense was poor. As Salave'a and Griffin and Wynn and Daniels all had injuries to deal with, our defense was unable to sustain the GREAT run front we'd had the previous two years. Understand this. We were a TOP team against the run for two years without ever needing an eighth guy in the box.

This is why I believe a defensive tackle is our primary need.

For Williams, it is more important to stop the run with seven than it is to generate an edge rush because he can do that in other ways, as we've seen, but he can't stop the run in any other way without losing the defensive foundation we're built around. So, my pick remains a DT to clog it up and give us further depth. That, to me, is where we need to go.

[Art]

Typical Art. Just making stuff up.

For the record, I love Joe Gibbs too. And for the record, I do not love him being a part of the front office whose other chief components are Danny Snyder and Vinny Frickin Cerrato. Simply put, he needs better help.

Perhaps he does, and, I suspect someone in the pro scouting staff is in trouble. I just doubt it's Vinny. But, again, might not be right on that :0.

[Hooper]

Why wouldn't it be Vinny, Art? Considering his track record, aren't you at least troubled by the fact that he still plays a major part in the personnel decisions? We know for a fact that no other team in the league would hire him. That was proven when Marty S kicked him to the curb and Vinny didn't sniff one job interview until Danny took him back.

[CaptChaos86]

I laughed when i read the title of this thread. I imagined Briggs doing like Austin Powers "No this is me in a nutshelll, Help!! Im in a nutshell" Haha. Someone should photoshop that.

[aqq]

Indeed, the run defense was poor. As Salave'a and Griffin and Wynn and Daniels all had injuries to deal with, our defense was unable to sustain the GREAT run front we'd had the previous two years. Understand this. We were a TOP team against the run for two years without ever needing an eighth guy in the box.

This is why I believe a defensive tackle is our primary need.

For Williams, it is more important to stop the run with seven than it is to generate an edge rush because he can do that in other ways, as we've seen, but he can't stop the run in any other way without losing the defensive foundation we're built around. So, my pick remains a DT to clog it up and give us further depth. That, to me, is where we need to go.

I agree that 2 yrs we were a top team agaisnt the run but there are no guarantees that any of those guys u mentioned can perform that way again.

The DT pick i agree completely...I just dont know about Branch..I think once he gets the money he will be unmotivated. Hell he doesn't look very motivated now..Okoye looks like a great prospect and an even better kid.

[planter]

Can't imagine why the Skins would obtain another LB unless Marcus is hurt....

Snyder and Vinnie better not be making any moves without Joe's blessing.

[bubba9497]

This is just Drew being Drew using the Skins to attract media attention

[Warhead36]

My thing is, since when did Snyder start talking to the media? I mean he never talks to them and all of a sudden he's talking to Jay Glazer about a possible trade? It just doesn't add up to me.

[bubba9497]

My thing is, since when did Snyder start talking to the media? I mean he never talks to them and all of a sudden he's talking to Jay Glazer about a possible trade? It just doesn't add up to me.




:yes: yep


everything reported has Drew Rosenhaus as THE only real source

go figure

[macnoke03]

this deal makes no sense with us already having Washington, Fletcher, McIntosh, and Marshall and since it is coming from Rosenhaus I'm sure there is nothing to it.

[Hooper]

:yes: yep


everything reported has Drew Rosenhaus as THE only real source

go figure

I thought Glazer reported that Danny was sitting next to Drew, having the conversation right in front of Glazer.

Of course, that wouldn't change the fact that this could be a smokescreen.

[carter23]

thanks Art, this thread makes me feel a lot better about the whole situation

Maybe it isn't as close as we all thought :)

[Tastes Like Chicken]

I didn't feel like re-typing what I posted in another LB thread so here's how I feel:

There could be 20 other teams who think Briggs would be a nice addition at the right price. And 20 owners talking to Briggs, Bears GM, Rosenhaus etc.

Rosenhaus knows who butters his bread, so this rumor starts with the team that everyone knows for 'making a splash in the offseason' and 'breaking the bank' on contracts-

Your... Washington... Redskins!!!

So the publicity machine is jammin' today, and any publicity is good publicity they say. Good for LB, good for Drew, good for the Danny because we are, at this point, doing everything BUT advertising on billboards that the sixth pick in the 2007 NFL Draft is available.

[Art]

Why wouldn't it be Vinny, Art? Considering his track record, aren't you at least troubled by the fact that he still plays a major part in the personnel decisions? We know for a fact that no other team in the league would hire him. That was proven when Marty S kicked him to the curb and Vinny didn't sniff one job interview until Danny took him back.

Why it wouldn't be Vinny is because Vinny's a high performer. You don't like him likely because you don't care to appreciate the fine work he generally has done, especially for Gibbs. Our three drafts have had a high retention rate, and a good number of starting players, especially considering how few picks we've had. Vinny was especially beneficial to Gibbs in year one, as was Williams.

With Gibbs not really aware of the league, Williams was intimately aware and put together much of the defense where Vinny really helped him with offensive players. If anything, as Gibbs has gotten more familiar with players he's taken a larger role in personnel evaluations last year and now, and we certainly didn't do as well last year as we'd like.

Gibbs appreciates how hard Vinny works and how organized he's been. Vinny made it easier for Gibbs to return to the league and Gibbs will have some loyalty to him for all he did for him. Now, you repeat the idiotic statement that after Marty cut Vinny loose, months into the offseason, that because he went to ESPN in a great gig he was not hireable in the league.

Many of the better personnel people in the NFL have done time in between gigs at ESPN. Especially when two months of planning have gone on and you are already set from a personnel department in the offseason, some of the better guys have taken work at ESPN. But, you already know that.

[bubba9497]

I thought Glazer reported that Danny was sitting next to Drew, having the conversation right in front of Glazer.

Of course, that wouldn't change the fact that this could be a smokescreen.



he did? where did he say that?


he said the man who refuses to talk to the media, Danny Boy, suddenly decides to talk with FOX, and confirm the Skins are wanting to make a trade

He also said Danny alone talked to Briggs, where others report Briggs talked to Dan, Vinny AND Joe Gibbs, along with several other teams

[Hooper]

Why it wouldn't be Vinny is because Vinny's a high performer. You don't like him likely because you don't care to appreciate the fine work he generally has done, especially for Gibbs. Our three drafts have had a high retention rate, and a good number of starting players, especially considering how few picks we've had. Vinny was especially beneficial to Gibbs in year one, as was Williams.

With Gibbs not really aware of the league, Williams was intimately aware and put together much of the defense where Vinny really helped him with offensive players. If anything, as Gibbs has gotten more familiar with players he's taken a larger role in personnel evaluations last year and now, and we certainly didn't do as well last year as we'd like.

Gibbs appreciates how hard Vinny works and how organized he's been. Vinny made it easier for Gibbs to return to the league and Gibbs will have some loyalty to him for all he did for him. Now, you repeat the idiotic statement that after Marty cut Vinny loose, months into the offseason, that because he went to ESPN in a great gig he was not hireable in the league.

Many of the better personnel people in the NFL have done time in between gigs at ESPN. Especially when two months of planning have gone on and you are already set from a personnel department in the offseason, some of the better guys have taken work at ESPN. But, you already know that.

Vinny does fine work? Where, in bizarro world? Was telling Gibbs that trading two high picks for Brandon Lloyd, a player San Fran didn't even want, "fine work"? Trading a high pick to rent TJ Duckett? Was that fine work, Art? I could go on and on.

He has a high-draft retention rate? Sure, because he routinely trades all the mid to later round picks away. And when he does pick in later rounds, he misses far more than the average GM. I mean, has the guy ever found a late-round lineman?

The track record says it all. With Vinny in the front office, the 49ers and Redskins have had their worse years... well, ever.

[Art]

Vinny does fine work? Where, in bizarro world? Was telling Gibbs that trading two high picks for Brandon Lloyd, a player San Fran didn't even want, "fine work"? Trading a high pick to rent TJ Duckett? Was that fine work, Art? I could go on and on.

He has a high-draft retention rate? Sure, because he routinely trades all the mid to later round picks away. And when he does pick in later rounds, he misses far more than the average GM. I mean, has the guy ever found a late-round lineman?

The track record says it all. With Vinny in the front office, the 49ers and Redskins have had their worse years... well, ever.

Gibbs wanted Lloyd. He made the deal, personally. Vinny never even had contact when the negotiations got going. Snyder was there, of course. Vinny was never in charge in San Fran. Look up who was there. Vinny was a reasonably small part of that organization, reporting up through two men. The bad years for the Niners came because of a change in ownership when the Yorks would not pay money like Eddie D. did.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

This is as good a place as any to ask: What was the value of Marshall's contract in 2005 and what is his cap hit? I can't find it.

[aqq]

This is as good a place as any to ask: What was the value of Marshall's contract in 2005 and what is his cap hit? I can't find it.

I believe it was a 3yr 3million dollar contract and considering it is his last yr the cap hit would be around 0.

[Bangee7]

This kind of stuff is embarassing and it comes from our owner!!
Our owner's ego isn't exactly on the mend.

Has to show what a deal-maker he is...
cut the deal in public...what a craftsman!

These kind of antics discredit the franchise.
It sure does nothing to build our esteem throughout the league.

Hope it was worth it to him...whatever his motives.