Just a thought: Would Marcus Washinton be the odd man out?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I may be crazy, but hear me out:

- Washington will be 30 in October.
- Costs $6.02 against the cap this year.
- He is in year 4 of his deal, which is always the dangerous year in Redskin contracts.
- Will probably be gone after the 2008 season regardless, because I doubt they will re-sign him at that point.
- Is coming off a knee injury and off-season hip surgery.

Would a move to get Briggs actually be an indication that not all is well with Marcus? I know one plays strongside and the other plays weak-side, but the move is not THAT dramatic. And Williams seems to have no problems with moving players around to different assignments.

While we are not exactly loaded on the weak-side, we do have an awful lot invested over there with Rocky and now Lemar.

Maybe Marcus is the guy who would lose his job.

[CaptChaos86]

I really hope not. I like MW, but you do make a good point. Hip surgery is a hard thing to recover from.

[tone_dubbz]

I may be crazy, but hear me out:

- Washington will be 30 in October.
- Costs $6.02 against the cap this year.
- He is in year 4 of his deal, which is always the dangerous year in Redskin contracts.
- Will probably be gone after the 2008 season regardless, because I doubt they will re-sign him at that point.
- Is coming off a knee injury and off-season hip surgery.

Would a move to get Briggs actually be an indication that not all is well with Marcus? I know one plays strongside and the other plays weak-side, but the move is not THAT dramatic. And Williams seems to have no problems with moving players around to different assignments.

While we are not exactly loaded on the weak-side, we do have an awful lot invested over there with Rocky and now Lemar.

Maybe Marcus is the guy who would lose his job.

I doubt it. Briggs won't be coming here, all this hoopla is just propaganda.

[Dan T.]

Lomardi's KB you are such a troublemaker!

But. Could we find a team willing to greatly overpay us for Marcus' services?

[Stew]

I doubt it. Briggs won't be coming here, all this hoopla is just propaganda.


I dont know, this rumor has grown legs quickly. I thought that too, but im starting to wonder.

[SnyderMustGo]

Rocky is the one. I don't understand why our fans refuse to read the writing on the wall. It's plain as day.

Instead of admitting the obvious truth, we make excuses.

Holdman was terrible last year. It was obvious to everyone. Why didn't Rocky get out there? Well, our fans came up with some elaborate conspiracy theory about why Rocky wasn't playing. But what's the simplest explanation? He wasn't good enough to beat out Horrible Holdman. We ignore the simplest explanation, and we choose to stand by some conspiracy theory.

Now fast forward to this off-season. We bring in Baker. That frees up Marshall to move to a new spot. Everyone immediately assumes that means Marshall will go to backup because Rocky is starting. Yet, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that Marshall will move to starting at WLB, where he was successful. Our fans refuse to accept that possibility.

Now it comes out that the team would be very interested in brining in Briggs, a WLB that plays the same position as Rocky. Briggs would be longterm answer there.

Folks, the writing on the wall is clear as day: Rocky isn't any good. We wasted 2 2nd-round draft picks on the kid, and he is a special teamer. But the actions of the team clearly indicate that they do not believe he is capable of starting at LB.

Bust. Admit it.

[Diggs43]

This thread sounds like something i posted yesterday

March-26th-2007, 10:20 PM #51
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The only logic I can see to this trade, and it's not much. Is that Marcus' cap hit will be high next season and he will be, what? 30? So they bring Briggs in this year, have superb depth at linebacker, knowing that Marcus just had surgery. And then cut Marcus (one of the free-agents we signed that actually played up to his contract) next season.
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[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

This thread sounds like something i posted yesterday

March-26th-2007, 10:20 PM #51
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The only logic I can see to this trade, and it's not much. Is that Marcus' cap hit will be high next season and he will be, what? 30? So they bring Briggs in this year, have superb depth at linebacker, knowing that Marcus just had surgery. And then cut Marcus (one of the free-agents we signed that actually played up to his contract) next season.
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I missed that, but I see it the same way.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Lomardi's KB you are such a troublemaker!

But. Could we find a team willing to greatly overpay us for Marcus' services?

Chuck him into this trade for a 2nd and 3rd or something...that way Chicago gets a replacement for Briggs.

[Mr. S]

Marcus can play, and is the type of guy you want on the team. Not someone who will complain, plays with a lot of fire, veteran leader, etc....

I think it is getting clear that they don't like Rocky, which is unfair cause you gotta at least give him a shot. Some had him as the best LB coming out over AJ Hawk if not for his injury.

[Chris Worthy]

Marcus can play, and is the type of guy you want on the team. Not someone who will complain, plays with a lot of fire, veteran leader, etc....

I think it is getting clear that they don't like Rocky, which is unfair cause you gotta at least give him a shot. Some had him as the best LB coming out over AJ Hawk if not for his injury.

Are they worried about Rocky's knee?

[Sonny Joe Hog]

The fact that we, as a group, are constantly coming up with so many theories that have the Skins chucking key players who are team leaders, like MW, is a strong indicator of just how little faith Redskins Nation has in the decision-making and personnel practices of the Redskins management.

:kickcan:

[TheU2689]

no way, hes the captain of the defense and Gregg Williams and Joe Gibbs love him. Along with every redskins fan

[Ernie5]

This is precisely what I thought: is Washington going to be ready to dominate in 2007 or ever? That's a legit question whether or not Briggs is part of the equation.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Briggs and Washington both play strongside.

As for Rocky, did you or did you not watch him play last year? He was kinda awesome when he played.

[Hiro]

Are they worried about Rocky's knee?

I doubt it. Everyone knew about Rocky's injury prior to him being drafted, yet we paid quite alot to move up in the draft to pick him up. I doubt that we would've done so if we were so worried about his durability we'd be tempted to replace him.




Holdman was terrible last year. It was obvious to everyone. Why didn't Rocky get out there? Well, our fans came up with some elaborate conspiracy theory about why Rocky wasn't playing. But what's the simplest explanation? He wasn't good enough to beat out Horrible Holdman. We ignore the simplest explanation, and we choose to stand by some conspiracy theory.

Now fast forward to this off-season. We bring in Baker. That frees up Marshall to move to a new spot. Everyone immediately assumes that means Marshall will go to backup because Rocky is starting. Yet, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that Marshall will move to starting at WLB, where he was successful. Our fans refuse to accept that possibility.

Now it comes out that the team would be very interested in brining in Briggs, a WLB that plays the same position as Rocky. Briggs would be longterm answer there.

Folks, the writing on the wall is clear as day: Rocky isn't any good. We wasted 2 2nd-round draft picks on the kid, and he is a special teamer. But the actions of the team clearly indicate that they do not believe he is capable of starting at LB.

Bust. Admit it.

First of all, Rocky's coming off his rookie season, during which he only started twice and logged 15 solo tackles and 2 assists. That's pretty damn good for a rookie LB who's supposedly a bust. Plus you can't just label a guy as a "bust" if he hasn't even started a full season.

Also, do you remember all the talk about Gibbs and Co thinking Jason Campbell was a bust because it took him so long to get out there? Yeah we know how that turned out. :rolleyes: The fact of the matter is that we have an OLD SCHOOL COACHING STAFF! They believe in taking a rookie along slowly, letting him sit and learn, and eventually take the reins.

As for Warrick Holdman starting, don't forget it was Dale Lindsay, who loved Warrick more then any player, who kept telling Williams to start him. It's not a conspiracy, it's well known that Williams trusts his positional coaches to set the depth chart for him, and he evidently believed that Dale knew what he was doing.

As for Marcus Washington being the odd man out, as hard as it is for me to accept, being that Marcus is currently my favorite player, it could be very possible that Snyder's looking at Lance to be a potential replacement for Marcus if he isn't able to recover. If this was the case, then I probably could accept us bringing in Lance.

[kramdizzle]

Rocky is the one. I don't understand why our fans refuse to read the writing on the wall. It's plain as day.

Instead of admitting the obvious truth, we make excuses.

Holdman was terrible last year. It was obvious to everyone. Why didn't Rocky get out there? Well, our fans came up with some elaborate conspiracy theory about why Rocky wasn't playing. But what's the simplest explanation? He wasn't good enough to beat out Horrible Holdman. We ignore the simplest explanation, and we choose to stand by some conspiracy theory.

Now fast forward to this off-season. We bring in Baker. That frees up Marshall to move to a new spot. Everyone immediately assumes that means Marshall will go to backup because Rocky is starting. Yet, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that Marshall will move to starting at WLB, where he was successful. Our fans refuse to accept that possibility.

Now it comes out that the team would be very interested in brining in Briggs, a WLB that plays the same position as Rocky. Briggs would be longterm answer there.

Folks, the writing on the wall is clear as day: Rocky isn't any good. We wasted 2 2nd-round draft picks on the kid, and he is a special teamer. But the actions of the team clearly indicate that they do not believe he is capable of starting at LB.

Bust. Admit it.

lets give him an entire season on the field before we label him a bust. Holdman was aweful last year, yet he stilled played. rocky was very good in teh short time i saw him play. ALTHOUGH with all this moving around with linebackers i can see your point

[Troy Fakeman]

I think....I just threw up in ma moufff...

[D-Day]

I am hoping his injury is not that serious, but if we make this move I am betting it is. Also consider that maybe RM is being earmarked as the MLB of the future so maybe that is the reason behind the proposed Briggs deal.

MW is entering the prime part of his contract to restructure and add a year or two. The fact he hasn't restructured (instead of guys like moss and CP) is sending up red flags about his injuries to me.

[jivelikenice]

Maybe not this year, but he could be the following year if he doesn't respond with a strong season...

[F Landry]

Rocky is the one. I don't understand why our fans refuse to read the writing on the wall. It's plain as day.

Instead of admitting the obvious truth, we make excuses.

Holdman was terrible last year. It was obvious to everyone. Why didn't Rocky get out there? Well, our fans came up with some elaborate conspiracy theory about why Rocky wasn't playing. But what's the simplest explanation? He wasn't good enough to beat out Horrible Holdman. We ignore the simplest explanation, and we choose to stand by some conspiracy theory.

Now fast forward to this off-season. We bring in Baker. That frees up Marshall to move to a new spot. Everyone immediately assumes that means Marshall will go to backup because Rocky is starting. Yet, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that Marshall will move to starting at WLB, where he was successful. Our fans refuse to accept that possibility.

Now it comes out that the team would be very interested in brining in Briggs, a WLB that plays the same position as Rocky. Briggs would be longterm answer there.

Folks, the writing on the wall is clear as day: Rocky isn't any good. We wasted 2 2nd-round draft picks on the kid, and he is a special teamer. But the actions of the team clearly indicate that they do not believe he is capable of starting at LB.

Bust. Admit it.
Your right.
:doh:
Bust.

The one game he started (this is off the top of my head) he made 10 tackles.

We all know GW doesn't play rooks.

:rolleyes:

[morapale]

Briggs is a good player but is not worth giving the 6th pick in the draft.

This trade only benefits the Bears, because they can pick a very good player, maybe a dominant player, for a guy that doesnt want to play for them.

Maybe the Skins are afraid that if they keep their draft pick they will have to pick Peterson which can make bad chemistry in the team, cause will have 3 RB's.

:doh:

[Peregrine]

No.

MW is not going anywhere.

Oh, and BTW, you do not evaluate a rookie and either decide to keep or cut him after one season in the NFL. If you did you would be an idiot. So to all those who continue to see rookie players and either pronounce them stars, or busts after one year...please just stop, for your own sakes.

[NattyLight]

Marcus Washington is a leader on the field and in my opinion, a "core" redskin. I sure hope they don't get rid of him.

[Donita35]

Marcus Washington is a leader on the field and in my opinion, a "core" redskin. I sure hope they don't get rid of him.

True but I am sure we are not going to bring in Briggs only for him to play behind MW or vice versa. Something stinks in the state of Denmark. :mad:

[red dot in a sea of blue]

IF, and only if the FO knows someting about his surgury we don't would MW be cut... I think this Briggs talk if it happened would be a good move. I'm not saying I hope we do it, in fact I hope we don't, but if we did, I think it would shore up our LB corp and Rocky could be groomed to take ove at MLB (granted he'd have to put on some weight) but with a year or 2 under Fletcher and getting a good amount of snaps for all 3 LB positions it seems like a smart/good move to me...


I just hope we can sweat a 2nd rounder out of them, maybe even our old one (37) and it would make a lot of things better.

If we stay put i think we'll draft Landry. He's the only defensive player worth a #6...

What ever happens we're in a good position with the #6 pick and possible trading partners... But Briggs wouldn't be as bad a move as some people are making it seem... I think MW will redo his contract if he recovers well for surgury and if not we'll be able to afford to cut him if he can't come back from injury (I hope he can) or refuses to renegotiate his impending inflated contract....

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

why do you doubt they will re-sign him? aside from being the team's best LB the past three consecutive seasons, what other reasoning do you have?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

why do you doubt they will re-sign him? aside from being the team's best LB the past three consecutive seasons, what other reasoning do you have?

He will be 32 when his contract is up.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

He will be 32 when his contract is up.

even though i disagreed with it b/c of age, London Fletcher will be 32 when this season starts. so again, i don't understand why you think they won't re-sign him.

[cphil006]

even though i disagreed with it b/c of age, London Fletcher will be 32 when this season starts. so again, i don't understand why you think they won't re-sign him.

Marcus has lost a half step in my eyes compared to his first year with us.


People age differently. LF is still very effective at age 32.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

Marcus has lost a half step in my eyes compared to his first year with us.

People age differently. LF is still very effective at age 32.


you remember he was hurt for the majority of the year correct?

assuming you are right though, for argument's sake. lets say he really has lost a 1/2 step. seeing as how he's been our best linebacker, where's the logic in letting him go? and why are we ASSUMING this to be a done deal?

[Johnny Condomseed]

I agree:"Hoopla is just propaganda!"

[Santana_Fan]

Mostly everything Adam Schefter reports actually happens (in response to those who dont think the trade can happen). Not saying that it will, but I wouldnt doubt it either. And with our FO, nothing is ever too far fetched.

[Stew]

I woke up and saw it on SportsCenter. If I see it on ESPN, to me, thats pretty convincing. Im not opposed to it, i just think we should get more then just Briggs and the 31st. Maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder thrown in. I just hope another team calls in before we ink the deal with a better deal.

[staticmc13]

marcus is the heart of the D. He is always jumping around and is full of energy.

[No_Pressure]

Marcus Washington is like Gregg Williams' son. I don't think so.

[Stew]

marcus is the heart of the D. He is always jumping around and is full of energy.


True, its like "Dancing with the Stars" every time he makes a tackle, including when we are losing. :laugh:

[GibbsFactor]

Marcus isn't going anywhere.

We'd just have three studs starting, a great "nickel" LB in Marshall and a promising up and commer. LB would be set for a few years.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Marcus isn't going anywhere.

We'd just have three studs starting, a great "nickel" LB in Marshall and a promising up and commer. LB would be set for a few years.

That's a hell of an investment in the linebacking group.

[Sekhmet187]

Well no one seems to know how bad the injury was. He had a knee injury and a hip injury. Thats pretty devastating to a LB who ins't a spring chicken anymore, anyway. Marcus was a great player, but if no one thinks he can be back to his old self, I see no reason to go after a YOUNG LB, considering the only young LB is Rocky he still hasn't proven anything yet.

Plus, they may be thinking of trying Rocky at multiple positions like what they did with Marshall so he can either take over if Washington isn't well, be the starting weakside backer or they may just settle with him being a quality backup, even though they spent some good draft picks on him.

[Sekhmet187]

That's a hell of an investment in the linebacking group.

Well the point of investing money in the team is to improve it. Lots of teams have had a lots of room under the cap and it hasn't done them anygood. Plus, the cap keeps growing by such large margins that every team in "cap trouble" normally gets bailed out because the cap grows so much the following season, that the team still gets extra room.

You shouldn't just sign anybody and everybody, but you should use the resources you've got to improve. Besides, I'm guessing there will be more than just 1 or 2 cuts in June.

[SnyderMustGo]

Oh, and BTW, you do not evaluate a rookie and either decide to keep or cut him after one season in the NFL. If you did you would be an idiot.

My point is not that he is a bust, like in some Platonic denotative sense.

My point is that its obvious the team thinks he is a bust. And don't tell me that you don't think the team would do something stupid. It's par for the course.

Some of our fans are apparently dumb enough to think he plays SLB. He doesn't. Briggs is a WLB. The same position that Rocky plays. The same position that Marshall played 2 years ago and is likely moving back to.

You don't even talk about this trade unless you have already given up on Rocky. You don't trade the #6 pick for a guy then try to move him to SLB. He is a WLB, just like Rocky. The mere fact that they would even entertain such a discussion is evidence they have given up on Rocky. If they had any faith in him whatsoever, they would tell the team to screw off and keep the #6 pick.

And if they pull the trigger, and the team gives up on Rocky, our fans will start to finally acknowledge the signs and give up this BS nonsense conspiracy crap wherein they pretend like Rocky really should have been starting but was being held back to play the inferior Holdman because he was a vet or a friend or whatever.

The writing is as clear as day: they wouldn't play him last year even though Holdman sucked; they bring in Fletcher and possibly move Marshall back to WLB; they are talking about trading the #6 for a WLB.... the team does not have serious plans to stick with Rocky. It's obvious to anyone who even spares an ounce of thought to it.

But no. Our fans will come back with stupid nonsense like "Rocky was kept out for a conspiracy!" or the even more ignorant: "Williams won't play a rookie!" Oh, yeah? What about the 15 games Carlos Rogers started as a rookie? What about the 12 games that Kendrick Golston started? How about the game that rookie Montogomery started in the middle of the season? Don't make yourself look stupid by suggesting that Rocky didn't play because of some rookie bias when 2nd day Golston is out there playing. This has NOTHING to do with the fact that Rocky was a rookie. It has to do with the fact that the team doesn't like him. And if they did at all, they would never be having these talks about spending the #6 pick to come take his spot.


How can you just deny the obvious?

[smalex41]

I may be crazy, but hear me out:

- Washington will be 30 in October.
- Costs $6.02 against the cap this year.
- He is in year 4 of his deal, which is always the dangerous year in Redskin contracts.
- Will probably be gone after the 2008 season regardless, because I doubt they will re-sign him at that point.
- Is coming off a knee injury and off-season hip surgery.

Would a move to get Briggs actually be an indication that not all is well with Marcus? I know one plays strongside and the other plays weak-side, but the move is not THAT dramatic. And Williams seems to have no problems with moving players around to different assignments.

While we are not exactly loaded on the weak-side, we do have an awful lot invested over there with Rocky and now Lemar.

Maybe Marcus is the guy who would lose his job.Marcus will be in DC as long as he can physically play the game !!! :)

[ClintonINFORSIX26]

Washington will be fine...hes an icon here

[cmorina69]

Rocky is the one. I don't understand why our fans refuse to read the writing on the wall. It's plain as day.

Instead of admitting the obvious truth, we make excuses.

Holdman was terrible last year. It was obvious to everyone. Why didn't Rocky get out there? Well, our fans came up with some elaborate conspiracy theory about why Rocky wasn't playing. But what's the simplest explanation? He wasn't good enough to beat out Horrible Holdman. We ignore the simplest explanation, and we choose to stand by some conspiracy theory.

Now fast forward to this off-season. We bring in Baker. That frees up Marshall to move to a new spot. Everyone immediately assumes that means Marshall will go to backup because Rocky is starting. Yet, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that Marshall will move to starting at WLB, where he was successful. Our fans refuse to accept that possibility.

Now it comes out that the team would be very interested in brining in Briggs, a WLB that plays the same position as Rocky. Briggs would be longterm answer there.

Folks, the writing on the wall is clear as day: Rocky isn't any good. We wasted 2 2nd-round draft picks on the kid, and he is a special teamer. But the actions of the team clearly indicate that they do not believe he is capable of starting at LB.

Bust. Admit it.

What are you talking about did u ever watch rocky play?He is stronger then he looks and sheads blockers well, watch preseason games or plays when rocky was in. He was not put in becuase of Willaims and his huge ego, clear as day.

[s0crates]

Even if we were to get Briggs, which we probably won't, there is no way we are trying to do anything but keep Marcus Washington around. Marcus is easily one of our best players. Maybe the thread starter is just trying to stir up the pot, but this idea is nuckin' futs.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Some of our fans are apparently dumb enough to think he plays SLB. He doesn't. Briggs is a WLB. The same position that Rocky plays. The same position that Marshall played 2 years ago and is likely moving back to.


You dumb ****, Briggs only has played WLB for a year and a half, and was a SLB all the time before that. Get over your attitude...

[Smurf85]

WE ARE NOT GETTING BRIGGS END OF STORY.:doh:

[SnyderMustGo]

You dumb ****, Briggs only has played WLB for a year and a half, and was a SLB all the time before that. Get over your attitude...

Hmm. You should probably not ever call anyone stupid, because you just made an arse out of yourself.

Clearly you don't jack about Briggs.

Briggs played SLB his rookie year. And he was nothing.

Then he moved to WLB where he has been the last 3 seasons and immediately succeeded. He has been an animal at WLB. He was spare as a SLB.

No one... NO ONE WITH AN OUNCE OF SENSE... takes such a player to move back to SLB.

So don't bother calling anyone else dumb when if you bothered to research anything you wouldn't have made such a stupid f'ing comment.

[#21Taylor4Ever]

And people say we Redskins fans are unfaithful to our players!!!!!

Come on people! When the team was on the outs, MW kept us going. When we need a defensive spark, MW is there for us. When we wanna see a LB dance on the field, MW is there for us. When we wanna see a grown man in braces, MW is there!!!

How dare we talk about moving MW!!!!!

In all seriousness though, MW is a Redskin thru and thru. After we lost Lavar, I didn't think we;d find anyone to match his motor, but MW has done just that and then some. We are known to be the team who goes after the big names and tosses our core guys aside like old trash....yet we continue to lose playing the game this way!

MW must stay, and this whole Briggs debacle has me wondering what Danny boy's gonna do now. I wouldnt mind having one of the best LB cores in all of the NFL, but if it costs us the #6 pick/and or Marcus Washington, I'll have to pass.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Washington will be fine...hes an icon here

He is?!?!?!

He's a good player...but icon? Like Sonny Jurgenson level?

I must have missed something.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

And people say we Redskins fans are unfaithful to our players!!!!!

Come on people! When the team was on the outs, MW kept us going. When we need a defensive spark, MW is there for us. When we wanna see a LB dance on the field, MW is there for us. When we wanna see a grown man in braces, MW is there!!!

How dare we talk about moving MW!!!!!

In all seriousness though, MW is a Redskin thru and thru. After we lost Lavar, I didn't think we;d find anyone to match his motor, but MW has done just that and then some. We are known to be the team who goes after the big names and tosses our core guys aside like old trash....yet we continue to lose playing the game this way!

MW must stay, and this whole Briggs debacle has me wondering what Danny boy's gonna do now. I wouldnt mind having one of the best LB cores in all of the NFL, but if it costs us the #6 pick/and or Marcus Washington, I'll have to pass.

At no point did I recommend getting rid of Washington. I just asked if the Front Office was considering it.