PFT actually a voice of reason re: Briggs rumor

[Oldskool]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

POSTED 5:58 p.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 6:25 a.m. EDT, March 27, 2007

BRIGGS-TO-'SKINS MAKES NO SENSE

Apart from the fact that Bears linebacker Lance Briggs became a star in a pure Tampa 2 scheme that the Redskins don't run, there's another reason why it makes no sense, in our view, for the 'Skins to add Briggs to the team.

With two big-money free agent linebackers -- Marcus Washington and London Fletcher-Baker -- already in the starting lineup, the 'Skins wouldn't be getting the best return on their investment in Washington, Fletcher-Baker, and Briggs.

Why? Because a defense has three linebackers on the field roughly half of the time.

In the nickel and dime defenses, linebackers are replaced by defensive backs. Teams use the nickel whenever the opponent brings in a third receiver. Typically, that happens in second and long or third and more than three or four yards.

At a time when the 'Skins are still thought to be interested in adding Dre' Bly to a corps of cornerbacks that includes Carlos Rogers and Fred Smoot, it's simply not a good investment of cap dollars to write a big bonus check to Briggs, unless the team is thinking about parting ways with Washington and his base salary of $4 million in 2007.

Meanwhile, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli is once again creating the impression that he broke the story of a possible trade of Briggs to the 'Skins, even though Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com and Adam Schefter of NFL Network had the story well in advance.

(Free advice to Len: With the departure of Michael Irvin and the "reassignment" of Joe Theismann, the folks in Bristol are demonstrating a willingness to heed and to respond to accurate and reasonable external criticism of their employees.)

[Buford]

Zing!!!!!!!!

[More Complete]

:yikes: That's a first! :yikes:

[roqnap1]

Randy Cross was reading this word for word this morning on Sirius and never gave PFT any credit for the source. Funny how little he knows.

[Troy Fakeman]

Those of us...in the gaming community...would state the following...

"g3t PWNT"

[Califan007]

Ok, it's a sad, sad day at Extremeskins.com when PFT makes more since and uses more logic than half of the members here...

[Fifty Gut]

these mediots are just that, idiots

only Charlie Casserly displayed a lack of ignorance when he mentioned this morning on Sirius NFL Radio that it made no sense because we already have Rocky to fill the position

[MRMADD]

Words never before used in the same sentence: "PFT" and "voice of reason".

[H@iL2Gibb$]

Meanwhile, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli is once again creating the impression that he broke the story of a possible trade of Briggs to the 'Skins, even though Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com and Adam Schefter of NFL Network had the story well in advance.


:laugh: keep it up Len

[Donita35]

Thanks for posting. Finally someone logic. NO BRIGGS!

[TankRizzo]

I like the jab at Pasquarelli, but the logic that we use the Nickel and Dime isn't very good reasoning against acquiring Briggs.

I'm not really for the Briggs trade, but that does very little to dispel the talks in my mind.

[aqq]

I like the jab at Pasquarelli, but the logic that we use the Nickel and Dime isn't very good reasoning against acquiring Briggs.

I'm not really for the Briggs trade, but that does very little to dispel the talks in my mind.

See it makes sense because they are implying that if the redskins signed Briggs they would have 3 big money LB's on thier team. The fact is that since they have to bring a 3rd or even 4th CB on the field most of the time one of those LB wont get that much playing time. Therefore its just plain silly to have 3 high priced LB's on your team.

why do u think the logic that PFT uses isn't sound? U didnt explain that in your post which doesn't make much sense.

[TGibson810]

Fatsorelli Needs to go, but besides that, PFT is right, Why would we need 5 Starting caliber Linebackers, Washington, Fletcher, Marshall, Rocky, and Briggs where at the MOST you have 3 LB's on the field. I HOPE that this is a smokescreen so the Bronco's give up more, or other teams, come draft realize that they may miss out on the #6 pick if they don't give us more. As much as I DON'T want to see this happen, in all reality, the more trade talks we're involved in (barring they don't happen before draft day), the better. It's simple economics, supply and demand, we hold the supply, we're trying to drive up the demand!!

[sydshobob]

See it makes sense because they are implying that if the redskins signed Briggs they would have 3 big money LB's on thier team. The fact is that since they have to bring a 3rd or even 4th CB on the field most of the time one of those LB wont get that much playing time. Therefore its just plain silly to have 3 high priced LB's on your team.

why do u think the logic that PFT uses isn't sound? U didnt explain that in your post which doesn't make much sense.


Well Williams always talks about having linebackers who can play 3 downs so I'm not sure how true this is on their team.

I'm not necessarily in favor of this trade but it might just be an indictment of McIntosh. Are they giving up on him already? Seems so. Another draft bust and another wasted pick to get him.

[Sarge]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile

[aqq]

Well Williams always talks about having linebackers who can play 3 downs so I'm not sure how true this is on their team.

I'm not necessarily in favor of this trade but it might just be an indictment of McIntosh. Are they giving up on him already? Seems so. Another draft bust and another wasted pick to get him.

Its shows major problems if an organization who traded 2 2nd rounds picks and a 4th to get McIntosh gives up on him in 1 yr and 1 start...If that really is the case this FO is the worst in sports.

[McMetal]

Maybe the FO leaked this whole story on purpose to find out who in their ranks is talking to the media. Plant some misinformation, see who gives it up.

[TankRizzo]

See it makes sense because they are implying that if the redskins signed Briggs they would have 3 big money LB's on thier team. The fact is that since they have to bring a 3rd or even 4th CB on the field most of the time one of those LB wont get that much playing time. Therefore its just plain silly to have 3 high priced LB's on your team.

why do u think the logic that PFT uses isn't sound? U didnt explain that in your post which doesn't make much sense.


Since when has money ever come into figuring any of the 'skins positions? We don't run 3 WRs every down on offense, yet we're paying 3 WRs big money. If using Briggs for only 2 downs is the result of acquiring him, then I'm sure they'll be tickled with their decision because that would mean that they're creating 3rd and longs and thus he'd be earning his keep. Saying that he'd be a waste of money because the nickel and dime formations are in our repetoir isn't really that strong of an arguement.

[Art]

Two things.

One, Len is violating all rules of journalism by NOT attributing where the story came from. However, once TWO sources are reporting it, it has become public knowledge in the world of journalism, so, he doesn't actually have to. If he's waiting for two guys to have it before him, then reports it as if it's already known it'll make it seem like he's breaking the story when he's not only to those who haven't read the story where it did begin. It's a thing I believe he's done for years. But, back in 1999 when he would scour sites and papers for stories it was harder to see what he was doing than now when everything is available seconds later and already being discussed.

Also, I find it curious that no one from Chicago has been able to be quoted in response to this trade. All the journalists in the world can't get a comment out of Chicago. Only Rosenhaus and Snyder at a bar?

[Cdowwe]

Wow I actually agree with what PFT has to say

[TankRizzo]

Its shows major problems if an organization who traded 2 2nd rounds picks and a 4th to get McIntosh gives up on him in 1 yr and 1 start...If that really is the case this FO is the worst in sports.


That's a better arguement than what PFT put up.

[MRMADD]

Also, I find it curious that no one from Chicago has been able to be quoted in response to this trade. All the journalists in the world can't get a comment out of Chicago. Only Rosenhaus and Snyder at a bar?

This rumor seems to have gone into a black hole today. Odd. You'd think every journalist -- and there are hundreds milling around the owner's meeting -- would be following up on this. It's a pretty big story if true, with lots of sub-plots that make it an interesting national story, not just a DC/Chicago angle.

Makes me think it's nonsense. Or is that just wishful thinking?

[CalSkinsFan]

Wow I actually agree with what PFT has to say

Same here.

First time for everything, I guess.

[CalSkinsFan]

Makes me think it's nonsense. Or is that just wishful thinking?


Rosenhaus comment to the media = nonsense.

:2cents:

[jivelikenice]

A Tampa 2 scheme linebacker??? I understand the fact that we in the secondary there are players who may or may not be effective in that scheme, but a linebacker???? Are you telling me Derrick Brooks wouldn't have been able to play for the Redskins???

On another note, didn't we run a lot of cover two last year???

[skins4eva]

Two things.

One, Len is violating all rules of journalism by NOT attributing where the story came from. However, once TWO sources are reporting it, it has become public knowledge in the world of journalism, so, he doesn't actually have to. If he's waiting for two guys to have it before him, then reports it as if it's already known it'll make it seem like he's breaking the story when he's not only to those who haven't read the story where it did begin. It's a thing I believe he's done for years. But, back in 1999 when he would scour sites and papers for stories it was harder to see what he was doing than now when everything is available seconds later and already being discussed.

Also, I find it curious that no one from Chicago has been able to be quoted in response to this trade. All the journalists in the world can't get a comment out of Chicago. Only Rosenhaus and Snyder at a bar?

Another point, piggy-backing on this point: the headline once you click on the story is--"Redskins may put together offer for bears' briggs" and then in the opening sentence, Pastabelly says, "While a proposal has yet to be formalized, the Washington Redskins will make a trade offer to the Chicago Bears aimed at acquiring two-time Pro Bowl weakside linebacker Lance Briggs, agent Drew Rosenhaus and two league sources told ESPN.com late Monday night." Simply incredible what shoddy journalism they have at ESPN...they are just a complete disgrace.

[Veretax]

let's trade brandon lloyd for briggs :P

[aqq]

Since when has money ever come into figuring any of the 'skins positions? We don't run 3 WRs every down on offense, yet we're paying 3 WRs big money. If using Briggs for only 2 downs is the result of acquiring him, then I'm sure they'll be tickled with their decision because that would mean that they're creating 3rd and longs and thus he'd be earning his keep. Saying that he'd be a waste of money because the nickel and dime formations are in our repetoir isn't really that strong of an arguement.


Look where paying 3 WR's big money got us. Its time to learn from their mistakes. I'm saying it doesn't make sense for a number of reason from giving up on mcIntosh to not being able to play all 3 LB's enough. Many arguements not to do this trade and PFT makes one of them.

Lets stand pat or trade down for more picks and work on our D-line and/or SS needs.

[ronnix]

i have a different slant on this. with biggs, and 31st pick, the skins have a few other options. one: bring in briggs, let him rotate some with washington who is starting to get nicked up. rotate with marshall, or maybe move marshall to safety. he weights about 225 soaking wet, and has excellent speed, could he not play safety. or trade briggs for another low first round pick to go with the 31st, that way we would have to first round picks, and get the def help we need.

[ronnix]

im sorry, i forgot another position. why not go to a 3-4, use the strength of our linebackers, and then we would not need additional def linemen or ends. we could then pickup a safety or offensive guard.

[dwbiggs]

Where's McCune when you need him?

[ceviker]

Those of us...in the gaming community...would state the following...

"g3t PWNT"

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[aqq]

i have a different slant on this. with biggs, and 31st pick, the skins have a few other options. one: bring in briggs, let him rotate some with washington who is starting to get nicked up. rotate with marshall, or maybe move marshall to safety. he weights about 225 soaking wet, and has excellent speed, could he not play safety. or trade briggs for another low first round pick to go with the 31st, that way we would have to first round picks, and get the def help we need.


I realize u are just suggesting things but what makes u think if the Bears cant trade him for a 1st round pick without giving up thier own pick that the Redskins would be able to get a 1st round pick off anybody...wouldn't an easier option be trading down from 6 to get extra picks and fill positions that we actually need. Plus rotating a guy like Briggs in and out of the lineup with Marshall wont happen. U dont trade your 6th pick in the 1st round and sign him to a huge deal to rotate him in and out of the lineup.

I am not commenting on the 3-4 defense post.

[TankRizzo]

Look where paying 3 WR's big money got us. Its time to learn from their mistakes. I'm saying it doesn't make sense for a number of reason from giving up on mcIntosh to not being able to play all 3 LB's enough. Many arguements not to do this trade and PFT makes one of them.

Lets stand pat or trade down for more picks and work on our D-line and/or SS needs.


I'm not saying it's a good idea, I'm just saying that PFTs "logic" isn't enough to dispel the rumors in my mind.

[Cliffmark1]

Apparently it has been confirmed that we have formally contacted the Bears with this trade.

[Cliffmark1]

on NFL network

[kramdizzle]

wow....that reallly made sense........thank you for sharing with us....... is it 5:30 yet?