Frustration with the seeming lack of direction of this team?

[Ryman of the North]

I have to say that despite being completely against the Briggs trade that I am impressed that our management is doing SOMETHING. And this will only increase the trade value of our pick. I would rather we be active and check out options than stand pat as a bottom tier team.

Washington had HIP SURGERY so no this trade wasnt an attack on Rocky or his ability it was hedging our bets. We could have gotten a probowl OLB (all that talk about systems is bunk, in reality the same basic skills are used for LBs in almost every system its more about size/speed than system), my worry would be if he was a Cato June undersized tampa2 LB but he is not. He was productive and he has skills that would fit in our system. what is everyone going to say if Washington has a long rehab and isnt ready to go? I personally thought that we were not asking for enough and I hope that that is why the trade failed, i would rather ask for too much and not trade then get fleeced everytime we make a move(3rd rounder for Duckett????)

Whats funny is that after being a rudderless ship for almost a decade we actually have some direction, it may not be what we all would like but there is some direction. So to all the morons who think the sky is falling and are talking about trading allegiances, sit, think, ask yourself why you are a fan in the first place, then post. Honestly the true fans don't wnat to be associated with the fair weather people anyway, they are embarrassing.

[Califan007]

Might wanna edit out the word "morons" there, spike...

[jrfriedm]

I have to say that despite being completely against the Briggs trade that I am impressed that our management is doing SOMETHING. And this will only increase the trade value of our pick. I would rather we be active and check out options than stand pat as a bottom tier team.

Washington had HIP SURGERY so no this trade wasnt an attack on Rocky or his ability it was hedging our bets. We could have gotten a probowl OLB (all that talk about systems is bunk, in reality the same basic skills are used for LBs in almost every system its more about size/speed than system), my worry would be if he was a Cato June undersized tampa2 LB but he is not. He was productive and he has skills that would fit in our system. what is everyone going to say if Washington has a long rehab and isnt ready to go? I personally thought that we were not asking for enough and I hope that that is why the trade failed, i would rather ask for too much and not trade then get fleeced everytime we make a move(3rd rounder for Duckett????)

Whats funny is that after being a rudderless ship for almost a decade we actually have some direction, it may not be what we all would like but there is some direction. So to all the morons who think the sky is falling and are talking about trading allegiances, sit, think, ask yourself why you are a fan in the first place, then post. Honestly the true fans don't wnat to be associated with the fair weather people anyway, they are embarrassing.

You do know that it has come out that the whole Briggs things was made up...Not true...False.

[Ryman of the North]

Why? if the shoe fits... seriously we are living in a world that has gotten too sensitive for its own good, if you don't wnat to be called stupid, then stop doing stupid things!

Whats sad is that we have to sit thorugh this crap. I really hope that the Mods help those poor souls who have been forced to be redskins fans to leave after they voted that if this trade goes through they will cease being Redskins fans.

I know its the offseason but there were 15 chicken little threads today thank god most merged so i ddint have to read them but this is getting ridiculous. If I was a mod I would be chnaging peoples avatars, either that one with head up butt or a chicken little would be apt.

The point of this thread is that guys whine and cry when we have no direction then whine and cry when our FO is actually proactive. Pick a stance and stay with it.

[Skinsinparadise]

seems like your point unless am missing it is the Skins are aggressive in trying to upgrade our team...true, we are, but we are always aggressive in the off season just not smart.

[Ryman of the North]

You do know that it has come out that the whole Briggs things was made up...Not true...False.

Interesting, I read that it just fell through, where did you read that it was all false?

[jrfriedm]

Interesting, I read that it just fell through, where did you read that it was all false?
The whole things was a ploy by Rosenhause to stir up talks about Briggs, and raise his value. Nothing more.

[Ryman of the North]

seems like your point unless am missing it is the Skins are aggressive in trying to upgrade our team...true, we are, but we are always aggressive in the off season just not smart.

I would rather be a fan of a team that is always trying to get better than a team that stands pat (like the Patsies in their entire existence until the late nineties, or the bengals)

We have an owner who is willing to spend, and a coach who is willing to work, now we just need better scouting and a real GM who is not a raquetball toady. but I would take our situation over a lot of others.

[flexxskins]

The trade fell through stupid. :silly:

[Skinsinparadise]

I would rather be a fan of a team that is always trying to get better than a team that stands pat (like the Patsies in their entire existence until the late nineties, or the bengals) We have an owner who is willing to spend, and a coach who is willing to work, now we just need better scouting and a real GM who is not a raquetball toady. but I would take our situation over a lot of others.

OK fair enough, running with that it means that you liked their off season last time -- yeah Lloyd didn't work out, Duckett -- lost some draft picks, let Clark go for Archuleta. But so what? Dan Snyder is always rocking the boat and you like that.

Yeah if you like that style you should have no problem with ANY off season with Snyder we are always trying something new -- one year is Deion, and Bruce Smith, and Carrier coming to town. Next off season its a different crew

Another year, we have Brad Johnson as our QB the next year is Jeff George. Then Ramsey then Brunell -- the circus goes on, screw stability, and building thru the draft -- but if you like it, cool, enough, the Skins won't dissapoint you.

[Dana87]

seems like your point unless am missing it is the Skins are aggressive in trying to upgrade our team...true, we are, but we are always aggressive in the off season just not smart.

I think the moves we made this year have been damn smart.

[SnyderMustGo]

Washington had HIP SURGERY so no this trade wasnt an attack on Rocky or his ability it was hedging our bets.


Look Mr. Semi-Pro All-star.... can you not figure out a very simple concept:


Briggs: WLB
Rocky: WLB

Washington: SLB


And you have the nerve to quesiton other people's football knowledge? You don't even grasp the distinction of positions. Briggs does not play SLB, nor could he. You can't just change those parts. Only a football idiot would think you could.

If Briggs came, it would be a direct and complete abandonment of Rocky.

[bubba9497]

Why? if the shoe fits... seriously we are living in a world that has gotten too sensitive for its own good, if you don't wnat to be called stupid, then stop doing stupid things!

well one it's a board rule, two who the hell are you to decide what is or what is not stupid, moronic, or worthy? Last time I checked you do not own this board, and are using this forum to express views like everyone else, free gratis



Whats sad is that we have to sit thorugh this crap. I really hope that the Mods help those poor souls who have been forced to be redskins fans to leave after they voted that if this trade goes through they will cease being Redskins fans.


wait you are being forced to read threads? I admit several threads on here are pretty ridiculous at times, (case in point) but instead of posting thread after thread about how stupid everyone is, who is not you, I suggest to simply IGNORE them, and if certain posters irritate you, you can put them on ignore




I know its the offseason but there were 15 chicken little threads today thank god most merged so i ddint have to read them but this is getting ridiculous. If I was a mod I would be chnaging peoples avatars, either that one with head up butt or a chicken little would be apt.


The mods do a heck of a job, and don't gripe hardly any at all, why don't you help them by reporting rule violating threads, instead of adding to their work load



The point of this thread is that guys whine and cry when we have no direction then whine and cry when our FO is actually proactive. Pick a stance and stay with it.


no the point of this thread was for you to tell everyone how smart you are and dumb they are... yet again

[illone]

This guy is fast approaching NNT status, and if he doesn't reach this goal he's obviously set out to attain as fast as possible, then he's going to reach 'ignore' status.

[Mercuryrising]

Actually spending 3 draft picks to grab a LB with your highest draft pick in the 2006 draft. Then seeking to trade your highest pick in the 2007 to acquire a player at that exact same LB position is a CLASSIC example of what a rudderless org does. Briggs' qualities are completely irrelevent to that point.

[TK]

Why? if the shoe fits... If I was a mod I would be chnaging peoples avatars, either that one with head up butt or a chicken little would be apt.

Well, in that case....Seems like the shoe fits.

[redman]

I have to say that despite being completely against the Briggs trade that I am impressed that our management is doing SOMETHING. And this will only increase the trade value of our pick. I would rather we be active and check out options than stand pat as a bottom tier team.

Washington had HIP SURGERY so no this trade wasnt an attack on Rocky or his ability it was hedging our bets. We could have gotten a probowl OLB (all that talk about systems is bunk, in reality the same basic skills are used for LBs in almost every system its more about size/speed than system), my worry would be if he was a Cato June undersized tampa2 LB but he is not. He was productive and he has skills that would fit in our system. what is everyone going to say if Washington has a long rehab and isnt ready to go? I personally thought that we were not asking for enough and I hope that that is why the trade failed, i would rather ask for too much and not trade then get fleeced everytime we make a move(3rd rounder for Duckett????)

Whats funny is that after being a rudderless ship for almost a decade we actually have some direction, it may not be what we all would like but there is some direction. So to all the morons who think the sky is falling and are talking about trading allegiances, sit, think, ask yourself why you are a fan in the first place, then post. Honestly the true fans don't wnat to be associated with the fair weather people anyway, they are embarrassing.

I guess you've lost me. How does this Briggs story, even assuming there was any truth to it, represent a change in the stance of this organization? I think that that rumor has far more in common with our recent past of making bold, splashy personnel moves that freely trade away draft picks/position than anything representing a new page has been turned.

Care to elaborate?

[illone]

I guess this guy just enjoys hearing himself type?

[Stormy]

Actually spending 3 draft picks to grab a LB with your highest draft pick in the 2006 draft. Then seeking to trade your highest pick in the 2007 to acquire a player at that exact same LB position is a CLASSIC example of what a rudderless org does. Briggs' qualities are completely irrelevent to that point.

Exactly. This story, if accurate, indicates continued F.O. progression into offseasons of seemingly arbitrary, and often contradictory, transactions. As a result, in the process, areas of need are often perpetually overlooked, areas of stability are often re-addressed or revamped on a momentary whim, and draft picks are all-too-thoughtlessly discarded (losing the depth, youth and impact which goes along with them). This "trade" would have been another random step into that abyss. Even though this deal may not come to pass, I fear what it portends in our use of the precious #6 pick, and even more, what it indicates for the future of a franchise that just can't seem to show the patience and insight necessary to stick to the longterm plan.

[Skinsinparadise]

I think the moves we made this year have been damn smart.

If we talking about this year I agree becuase we've shown restraint -- the point of the post seems to be that he likes it that the Skins are aggressive and are willing to make moves ala the rumored Briggs one.

Personally yeah we are always aggressive. What I liked about this off seaon is that we were LESS aggressive.

But, if we are going to celebrate the Skins for being aggressive and making a splash in the off season -- we will likely celebrate them often because its the nature of the FO. As some like to say we win every off season.

The off seasons are entertaining but I'd rather win during the season.

[graniteFallsNCskins]

This Briggs deal is all about Drew getting his guys name out there,Dan was just glad to help his pal.However i'm a homer too. The fair weather fans do seam always quick to jump.But for time being they are skins fans too

[Mercuryrising]

Actually spending 3 draft picks to grab a LB with your highest draft pick in the 2006 draft. Then seeking to trade your highest pick in the 2007 to acquire a player at that exact same LB position is a CLASSIC example of what a rudderless org does. Briggs' qualities are completely irrelevent to that point.


Exactly. This story, if accurate, indicates continued F.O. progression into offseasons of seemingly arbitrary, and often contradictory, transactions. As a result, in the process, areas of need are often perpetually overlooked, areas of stability are often re-addressed or revamped on a momentary whim, and draft picks are all-too-thoughtlessly discarded (losing the depth, youth and impact which goes along with them). This "trade" would have been another random step into that abyss. Even though this deal may not come to pass, I fear what it portends in our use of the precious #6 pick, and even more, what it indicates for the future of a franchise that just can't seem to show the patience and insight necessary to stick to the longterm plan.

Furthermore, if they Knew they did not address WOLB with Rocky, and since it seems salary is no issue, nor is getting a LB who was playing our current system and not some cover2 scheme, why not go after A. Thomas or C. June in FA and keep the pick for something else????? This FO is just so fly by the pants... I am stunned on all of this.

[Ryman of the North]

I guess you've lost me. How does this Briggs story, even assuming there was any truth to it, represent a change in the stance of this organization? I think that that rumor has far more in common with our recent past of making bold, splashy personnel moves that freely trade away draft picks/position than anything representing a new page has been turned.

Care to elaborate?


I don't believe that we were trying to sign Briggs to solely play WLB I think that the FO was going aftre briggs to play SLB if washongton wasnt ready to go anf to play WLB if he was and that Rocky would still see the field, it shows that we arent just sitting around and only signing big name guys but actually filling holes.

[fansince62]

Why? if the shoe fits... seriously we are living in a world that has gotten too sensitive for its own good, if you don't wnat to be called stupid, then stop doing stupid things!

Whats sad is that we have to sit thorugh this crap. I really hope that the Mods help those poor souls who have been forced to be redskins fans to leave after they voted that if this trade goes through they will cease being Redskins fans.

I know its the offseason but there were 15 chicken little threads today thank god most merged so i ddint have to read them but this is getting ridiculous. If I was a mod I would be chnaging peoples avatars, either that one with head up butt or a chicken little would be apt.

The point of this thread is that guys whine and cry when we have no direction then whine and cry when our FO is actually proactive. Pick a stance and stay with it.

ah yes......but do you believe in global warming?

[Ryman of the North]

Yes I do but thats neither here nor there

[fdarugar]

This guy is fast approaching NNT status, and if he doesn't reach this goal he's obviously set out to attain as fast as possible, then he's going to reach 'ignore' status.

Gotta agree with you here...httr

[Ryman of the North]

Look Mr. Semi-Pro All-star.... can you not figure out a very simple concept:


Briggs: WLB
Rocky: WLB

Washington: SLB


And you have the nerve to quesiton other people's football knowledge? You don't even grasp the distinction of positions. Briggs does not play SLB, nor could he. You can't just change those parts. Only a football idiot would think you could.

If Briggs came, it would be a direct and complete abandonment of Rocky.


are you a halfwit? seriously only a halfwit would make a comment like that, for years Arrington only played weakside but then he moved to the strongside, Outside Linebacker in OUR system is outside linebacker why else do you think we pretty much interchange guys? You guys who think that all football players should be pigeon holed like that are funny, if it was a guy making the move from OLB to MLB Id take your point as slightly more valid but strongside to weakside or vice versa? only if there were size issues like cato june would I be worried or if Briggs was simply too finesse, go troll somewhere else.

[Ryman of the North]

well one it's a board rule, two who the hell are you to decide what is or what is not stupid, moronic, or worthy? Last time I checked you do not own this board, and are using this forum to express views like everyone else, free gratis




wait you are being forced to read threads? I admit several threads on here are pretty ridiculous at times, (case in point) but instead of posting thread after thread about how stupid everyone is, who is not you, I suggest to simply IGNORE them, and if certain posters irritate you, you can put them on ignore





The mods do a heck of a job, and don't gripe hardly any at all, why don't you help them by reporting rule violating threads, instead of adding to their work load




no the point of this thread was for you to tell everyone how smart you are and dumb they are... yet again

I am not going to argue with you Bubba, sadly the quality of much of this board has dropped a lot especially lately, I am obviously not the only one who thinks so,yeah I have been bitching a lot lately mainly because simply staying silent sure wasnt working! Nobody is saying the mods dont do a pretty good job and I know they get swamped but its getting old to have to sift through crap here everyday and yes a lot of it is crap. how exactly was this a "case in point" thread? I did some research and posted some valid points, sorry if I hutr your delicate feelings.
a lot of people were freaking out that we were thinking of trading for Briggs and threateneing to quit being fans LOL, nobody looked at the fact that Washington had hip surgery and may not be ready to go. Its not my fault that lots of people on here post out of their butts and on feelings without actually looking into stuff or thinking.

Our FO has made mistakes but they are improving and I can see more direction now, I am just tired of everybody whining that we have no direction then when the FO actually does something (drumming up value for our pick and trying to fill a hole) they whine even more.

[Smoot Point Really]

I have to say that despite being completely against the Briggs trade that I am impressed that our management is doing SOMETHING. And this will only increase the trade value of our pick. I would rather we be active and check out options than stand pat as a bottom tier team.

I have disagreed with you on other posts, but I can't disagree with much here. I said in another thread that I believe a lot of negative misinformation about Briggs has channeled the thinking that Briggs wouldn't be right in our system. For instance, the myth that Briggs doesn't generate turnovers... The guy has 7 forced fumbles in the last two years. He has proven that he can separate a guy from the ball, and that stat isn't due to the system. Brian Urlacher has had only 8 in his entire career. His other defensive statistics compare well against the rest of the league. He had the 2nd most tackles at the LB position last year (after DRyans), and the 6th most solo tackles (the top 5 were all MLBs not named Urlacher)... He has had 2 seasons with over 100 tackles in his career (one more than Urlacher in 7 seasons). I believe he was 2nd in PDs last year.

While I wasn't enthusiastic about the Briggs trade because I think it limits our options on draft day... I can understand the Redskins being interested in the guy and pursuing all their options. If Brady Quinn drops to the 6th pick, I think you'll see the Bears get desperate and revisit this deal... Then I hope the Redskins try to get a lot more than just Briggs and the 31st pick.

[Ryman of the North]

I would rather have 50 disagreements where guys explain why and use logic and reasoning than 10 agreements without any reason. simply put Briggs is a standout LB in any system, he is explosive and fast, is a sure tackler and has decent size. I am glad we held out for more because simply put we are in the drivers seat, the bears do not have the leverage and we are not the same team that was pressured into trading chump bailey for portis and throwing in another pick on top!

[Smoot Point Really]

I would rather have 50 disagreements where guys explain why and use logic and reasoning than 10 agreements without any reason. simply put Briggs is a standout LB in any system, he is explosive and fast, is a sure tackler and has decent size. I am glad we held out for more because simply put we are in the drivers seat, the bears do not have the leverage and we are not the same team that was pressured into trading chump bailey for portis and throwing in another pick on top!

Agreed... I think your original post took a swipe at those who were going to disagree with you before they actually disagreed. Whether or not the forums have decreased in quality has little to do with your actual topic, but other than that I see few flaws in this thread and think it deserves a better rating. Hopefully, folks will "stay on topic" and concentrate on Briggs, the trade, and points you make about the decision-making in the front office.

[Warpath81]

I would rather have 50 disagreements where guys explain why and use logic and reasoning than 10 agreements without any reason. simply put Briggs is a standout LB in any system, he is explosive and fast, is a sure tackler and has decent size. I am glad we held out for more because simply put we are in the drivers seat, the bears do not have the leverage and we are not the same team that was pressured into trading chump bailey for portis and throwing in another pick on top!

First, I am (and always will be) confused as to why you post. It seems every thread you start or post in either contains negativity, degrading of and individual or individuals and you're constantly looking for an argument. It wouldn't be so bad if you were open to other ES'ers opinions. What gives?

Second, how can you say that Briggs is a standout LB in any system? What other system has he been in to prove this?

Third, what has been well documented on this board is that any team negotiating with the Redskins has leverage. The 'Skins simply fall in love with big names who come from different systems and will give up what they can to get that person.

[onnie007]

I think I lost brain cells just reading this thread! Thanks and goodbye!

[ouvan59]

Look Mr. Semi-Pro All-star.... can you not figure out a very simple concept:


Briggs: WLB
Rocky: WLB

Washington: SLB


And you have the nerve to quesiton other people's football knowledge? You don't even grasp the distinction of positions. Briggs does not play SLB, nor could he. You can't just change those parts. Only a football idiot would think you could.

If Briggs came, it would be a direct and complete abandonment of Rocky.

That's just flat out wrong. LBs switch sides all the time with varying degrees of success. Some can make the switch some can't but you can't just throw a blanket over all LBs and say that a WLB can't play SLB and vice-versa.

That being said you don't give up a ton in trade for a player expecting him to switch positions.

[Smoot Point Really]

Second, how can you say that Briggs is a standout LB in any system? What other system has he been in to prove this?

Do you guys even read this thread? Again, look at Briggs' numbers... High Sacks and low PDs might be because the player was in a 3-4 or a system that blitzes the LBs a lot. Low sacks and high PDs might be because the player (like Briggs) was in a system that generated pressure from the DLine and didn't require a blitzing LB. Briggs also generates a high number of tackles from the OLB position (actually, the highest of all OLBs) which translates to any system. His "forced fumbles" means he has the ability to separate a player from the ball, which is definitely not system related.

[Smoot Point Really]

That's just flat out wrong. LBs switch sides all the time with varying degrees of success. Some can make the switch some can't but you can't just throw a blanket over all LBs and say that a WLB can't play SLB and vice-versa.

That being said you don't give up a ton in trade for a player expecting him to switch positions.

I don't really like the "rule of thumb" in your last sentence, since it may not be applicable in all situations. We have a lot of options, and we should be exploring all of them. The only valid criticisms that I've heard of the trade are: 1) We don't get enough in the trade 2) His salary demands would be too much 3) He won't be a 3 down player in Gregg Williams' system (that only uses 2 LBs on 3rd down). If Marcus Washington is injured, and the extent of the injury is more severe than we know, then maybe this is a valid explanation for the Briggs-bruhaha.

[jabronijames]

Thomas Boswell wrote a great article on this. Here's the link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/04/AR2007030401313.html

[tizzod]

neh mine....

[Ernie5]

I think "moron" applies well to people on the extreme of either side of the fence, either the front office is infallible (does anyone really say that???) or the front office is a joke (the sky is falling crowd). There is a philosophy in place. I often disagree with it, but I'm a lawyer, not a pro scout or a GM or a coach, so I'm free to disagree or agree and have my opinion count for almost nothing.

I'm against the Briggs trade, but if made, he would be an obvious upgrade over McIntosh (any this stage) or Marshall (period). Given that Briggs is 26 and McIntosh is 24, I'm not not all hot & bothered by giving up on Rocky. Not what I would do, mind you, but hardly a joke.

[Ernie5]

Boswell, whom I love, should NEVER write about football. He simply doesn't know what he's talking about & more or less just repeats fashionable street chatter about Snyder and the rest of the Redskins leadership. Not a very valuable column. If it's baseball or golf, no one better. Football: take with grain of salt.

[pjfootballer]

Actually, I think I'm getting more frustrated with the anger on this board more than anything. I had one guy call me all kinds of names, just because I didn't agree that one of our cheerleaders is hot. It was my opinion. I have different tastes and he basically said I insulted her. Is that nuts or what?

[Rufus T Firefly]

Actually, I think I'm getting more frustrated with the anger on this board more than anything. I had one guy call me all kinds of names, just because I didn't agree that one of our cheerleaders is hot. It was my opinion. I have different tastes and he basically said I insulted her. Is that nuts or what?

Which cheerleader did you insult??????????

[pjfootballer]

Which cheerleader did you insult??????????

I just said that Sooin doesn't appeal to me. I said I didn't care for a blonde asian woman with fake breasts.

[HoyaSkins28]

i dont know what to say to this thread...

[Ryman of the North]

Agreed... I think your original post took a swipe at those who were going to disagree with you before they actually disagreed. Whether or not the forums have decreased in quality has little to do with your actual topic, but other than that I see few flaws in this thread and think it deserves a better rating. Hopefully, folks will "stay on topic" and concentrate on Briggs, the trade, and points you make about the decision-making in the front office.

Finally someone who gets it, I have lost patience with most of the people on this board, there is far too much grandstanding and whining and far too little actual football talk.


First, I am (and always will be) confused as to why you post. It seems every thread you start or post in either contains negativity, degrading of and individual or individuals and you're constantly looking for an argument. It wouldn't be so bad if you were open to other ES'ers opinions. What gives?

Second, how can you say that Briggs is a standout LB in any system? What other system has he been in to prove this?

Third, what has been well documented on this board is that any team negotiating with the Redskins has leverage. The 'Skins simply fall in love with big names who come from different systems and will give up what they can to get that person.

Briggs has played in a more conventional 4-3 and a tampa 2 type d and he was solid in both, he is known for his speed and explosiveness but has solid size (NOT like a cato june who has to be protected due to size issues) I have no problem with opinions as long as they are INFORMED opinions not garbage in garbage out opinions. I would argue that the Skins are figuring that out and we are finally showning some direction and fortitude in not simply giving away our picks yet guys are still whining.


I think I lost brain cells just reading this thread! Thanks and goodbye!

sadly its obvious you have few to lose, your welcome now go post a few thousand carbon copy threads and add your one liners somewhere else , leave the football discussion to the men.


Do you guys even read this thread? Again, look at Briggs' numbers... High Sacks and low PDs might be because the player was in a 3-4 or a system that blitzes the LBs a lot. Low sacks and high PDs might be because the player (like Briggs) was in a system that generated pressure from the DLine and didn't require a blitzing LB. Briggs also generates a high number of tackles from the OLB position (actually, the highest of all OLBs) which translates to any system. His "forced fumbles" means he has the ability to separate a player from the ball, which is definitely not system related.

Yup, I would prefer a LB who makes tackles and is solid in coverage, who has speed and forces T/o's without having to blitz all the time, if we wnated a blitzer we could have gottne Porter. the problem is that we had people here with man crushes who lost sight of the fact that Rocky is a 24 year old 2nd year guy (some players take longer to contribute) and even more important that WASHINGTON JUST HAD A VERY SERIOUS SURGERY ON HIS HIP!!!


I don't really like the "rule of thumb" in your last sentence, since it may not be applicable in all situations. We have a lot of options, and we should be exploring all of them. The only valid criticisms that I've heard of the trade are: 1) We don't get enough in the trade 2) His salary demands would be too much 3) He won't be a 3 down player in Gregg Williams' system (that only uses 2 LBs on 3rd down). If Marcus Washington is injured, and the extent of the injury is more severe than we know, then maybe this is a valid explanation for the Briggs-bruhaha.

Thank you I was beginng to think that everyone was pruposefully being dense, I brought up the washington injury in another thread, a few people have noted it but lots have been merely craying about the possible trade without even bothering to ask why we would do it.

[Ryman of the North]

That's just flat out wrong. LBs switch sides all the time with varying degrees of success. Some can make the switch some can't but you can't just throw a blanket over all LBs and say that a WLB can't play SLB and vice-versa.

That being said you don't give up a ton in trade for a player expecting him to switch positions.

Thank you I am glad that some people have the ability to think before they respond and make some good points, you make the exact point I wnated to make to buddy who insulted me, If a player has size issues (and yes there are some WLB's who could only play LB in a system where they are protected) or speed issues (there are some SLB's who could not make the switch to WLB )then this point would be valid but frankly Briggs is a a guy who has solid size and very good speed, he was moved around a bit in his carreer and has shown ability. There are sereal precedents for Lb's making the switch and LB's are usually among the more versatile athletes as they have to have very diverse skill sets.

I do disagree with you last point though, if you can project how a player will perform then you trade what you think is his value, our problem in the past was we did not value draft picks, I think that the duckett debacle cured us of that and the fact that the bears tried to get more out of us and we refused shows that our FO is learning. Also a LB making the switch from WLB to SLB is not the same as a MLB to OLB or S to CB or DE to DT or vice versa those are switches I would be more wary of.

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You make some good points Ryman. I kinda thought though that the team was looking at keeping Briggs at WLB, and moving Rocky behind Washington at SLB.

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I just said that Sooin doesn't appeal to me. I said I didn't care for a blonde asian woman with fake breasts.

And she does not care for black people. At least her parents. One of my friends was just talking to her in a normal conversation and she said my parents would not let me date a black person ..