Briggs--The next Wilbur Marshall...(merged, believe it or not)

[Skindawg Willie]

I love Coach Gibbs, he is nothing if not nostalgic. He sees Wilbur Marshall all over again here (and so do I), and the Bears-Skins connection in that free agent deal. I know this is different, but adding Briggs to this LB group would be reminiscent of that 80s team.:notworthy

The Bears just did us a HUGE FAVOR in taking Archuleta, now we'll take Briggs.

Go Coach go!:applause:

[Buford]

another thread on this?

[ttr77]

But Wilber Marshall was simply adding a piece to an almost-finished puzzle. A necessary part to an already good team.

Adding Briggs is like admitting you have the wrong pieces and ignoring the fact that there are other much more important pieces still missing.

[tizzod]

I love Coach Gibbs, he is nothing if not nostalgic. He sees Wilbur Marshall all over again here (and so do I), and the Bears-Skins connection in that free agent deal. I know this is different, but adding Briggs to this LB group would be reminiscent of that 80s team.:notworthy

The Bears just did us a HUGE FAVOR in taking Archuleta, now we'll take Briggs.

Go Coach go!:applause:

Hey, something that hasn't been talked about yet! AWESOME! :applause:

[Riggo-toni]

But Wilber Marshall didn't play on the 87 SB team with Doug Williams, so since Campbell is Dougie Does Denver, it's too soon for Wilber Briggs to come on board. We need to wait until 2009 and be sure to spend our first second day pick on a fast but oft-injured RB.
This of course also explains the Jamarcus Russell rumours, since for Campbell to be successful there must first be talks about trading him to Oakland for a high draft pick. Man, good catch.

[cphil006]

I love Coach Gibbs, he is nothing if not nostalgic. He sees Wilbur Marshall all over again here (and so do I), and the Bears-Skins connection in that free agent deal. I know this is different, but adding Briggs to this LB group would be reminiscent of that 80s team.:notworthy

The Bears just did us a HUGE FAVOR in taking Archuleta, now we'll take Briggs.

Go Coach go!:applause:

I think he will be more like Warrick Holdman... not WILBER Marshall

[MRMADD]

I love Coach Gibbs, he is nothing if not nostalgic. He sees Wilbur Marshall all over again here (and so do I), and the Bears-Skins connection in that free agent deal. I know this is different, but adding Briggs to this LB group would be reminiscent of that 80s team.:notworthy

The Bears just did us a HUGE FAVOR in taking Archuleta, now we'll take Briggs.

Go Coach go!:applause:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Wilbur a free agent? I don't remember us trading the #6 pick for him.

The bottom line is that there are usually several very good linebackers available in free agency every year. It is not the kind of position -- like LT or QB -- where good players are scarce in free agency. You have to believe that Briggs is a GREAT linebacker to give up that much for him.

So the question is, are we getting the right value for the #6 pick?

[Chump Bailey]

But Wilber Marshall was simply adding a piece to an almost-finished puzzle. A necessary part to an already good team.

Adding Briggs is like admitting you have the wrong pieces and ignoring the fact that there are other much more important pieces still missing.


:cheers:

[jamesbondman]

Although I cannot start threads, I have mentioned Wilbur Marshall and that trade several times. I also mentioned that Wilbur Marshall never was the same player he was with Chicago. He was good but not the devastating player becasue Chicago had better defensive players to surround Marshall and the same is true of Briggs.

[PiLfan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Wilbur a free agent? I don't remember us trading the #6 pick for him.


if i recall, the wilbur marshall deal was in the very early days of free agency, and we had to give up one or two first rounders for him. Of course our first rounders in those days were a lot lower in the first round than they typically have been in recent years.

[Skindawg Willie]

But Wilber Marshall was simply adding a piece to an almost-finished puzzle. A necessary part to an already good team.

Adding Briggs is like admitting you have the wrong pieces and ignoring the fact that there are other much more important pieces still missing.

Are there more important pieces? Yes. But the question is, how can you make the team better with what is AVAILABLE. Sure, we need OL, WR, DT and DE, but we have no picks with which to trade up for the top WR or OL, who will be gone before Pick 6. Once you get past those two, the remaining OL and WR will not improve the team more than Briggs will.

Our secondary has been solidified, Briggs would make the LB core dominant. The D Line is average, but will play above average with better secondary and LBs.

[Shadowplay]

I love Coach Gibbs, he is nothing if not nostalgic. He sees Wilbur Marshall all over again here (and so do I), and the Bears-Skins connection in that free agent deal. I know this is different, but adding Briggs to this LB group would be reminiscent of that 80s team.:notworthy

The Bears just did us a HUGE FAVOR in taking Archuleta, now we'll take Briggs.

Go Coach go!:applause:

This is what it's came to.....fans getting excited about a nostalgia. What coach has won a Super Bowl based on nostalgia? :doh:

[ttr77]

Are there more important pieces? Yes. But the question is, how can you make the team better with what is AVAILABLE. Sure, we need OL, WR, DT and DE, but we have no picks with which to trade up for the top WR or OL, who will be gone before Pick 6. Once you get past those two, the remaining OL and WR will not improve the team more than Briggs will.

Our secondary has been solidified, Briggs would make the LB core dominant. The D Line is average, but will play above average with better secondary and LBs.

And I think therein lies the problem - just because something is available do you have to run out and get it? Especially when its not even near the top of your priority list? Whatever happened to the 'building through the draft' mantra this team has been talking about?

[Skindawg Willie]

And I think therein lies the problem - just because something is available do you have to run out and get it? Especially when its not even near the top of your priority list? Whatever happened to the 'building through the draft' mantra this team has been talking about?

If what is AVAILABLE makes you better, yes, DO IT. We do not have the ability to get what we need most, which is DL and WR. So, Briggs is an upgrade over Marshall/McIntosh and makes our LB core DOMINANT.

DOMINATE WHERE YOU CAN.

THE SKINS DON'T BELIEVE IN BUILDING ONLY THROUGH THE DRAFT, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED. THEIR PHILOSOPHY IS TO GO AFTER PLAYERS ENDING THEIR ROOKIE CONTRACTS, PLAYERS WITH NFL EXPERIENCE. SO FAR THAT HASN'T WORKED, BUT IS POSSIBLE IF THE RIGHT CHOICES ARE MADE.

[Bang]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Wilbur a free agent? I don't remember us trading the #6 pick for him.

The bottom line is that there are usually several very good linebackers available in free agency every year. It is not the kind of position -- like LT or QB -- where good players are scarce in free agency. You have to believe that Briggs is a GREAT linebacker to give up that much for him.

So the question is, are we getting the right value for the #6 pick?
Yeah, Wilber was one of those "plan B" free agents.
We gave him a contract worth 6 million bucks, an astronomical figure for the time.
He definitely lived up to it, and became my favorite all time Redskin in the process. As disruptive a linebacker as there was. He had one seriously nasty streak, too. I remember in the playoff game vs Atlanta in 91, Andre Rison caught a pass and got cocky,, dancing and all.. Wilber walked over and head butted him and I could almost swear I saw Andre pee his pants. He didn't make a sound for the rest of the game.
I agree we have to get proper value for the pick, but by this point in the week I'm just waiting to see which shoe is going to drop. Could be if we land Briggs he comes in and excels and makes us better,, could be he doesn't. The thing driving me nuts is the folks who already have called Miss Cleo and know which of those he'd be.

~Bang

[RFKFedEx]

In Mark May's biography he said that the Hogs were all pissed that JKC and co. gave Marshall a contract greater than what any of them had ever known. (and this was after 3 SBs in 6 years)

Wilbur had a nice second half to his career here in DC, but he was never the same as he was in Chitown.

I don't think Wilbur was that much better than Monte Coleman.

But w/ no salary cap, it didn't matter anyway.

[SoCalSkins]

Yeah, Wilber was one of those "plan B" free agents.
We gave him a contract worth 6 million bucks, an astronomical figure for the time.


Nope. Plan B didn't exist when we signed Marshall. Free agency existed in a very limited format at the time and required 2 1st rd picks in exchange for signing the player. Plan B came out after the Marshall the deal. I think it was around between 1989 and 1993, then the current free agency system was established.

[Fifty Gut]

Briggs = Archuleta

[Bang]

Nope. Plan B didn't exist when we signed Marshall. Free agency existed in a very limited format at the time and required 2 1st rd picks in exchange for signing the player. Plan B came out after the Marshall the deal. I think it was around between 1989 and 1993, then the current free agency system was established.
I'll take your word for it, but I could have sworn..
Oh well.. there's been a lot of joints smoked between then and now.

~Bang

[ttr77]

If what is AVAILABLE makes you better, yes, DO IT. We do not have the ability to get what we need most, which is DL and WR. So, Briggs is an upgrade over Marshall/McIntosh and makes our LB core DOMINANT.

DOMINATE WHERE YOU CAN.

THE SKINS DON'T BELIEVE IN BUILDING ONLY THROUGH THE DRAFT, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED. THEIR PHILOSOPHY IS TO GO AFTER PLAYERS ENDING THEIR ROOKIE CONTRACTS, PLAYERS WITH NFL EXPERIENCE. SO FAR THAT HASN'T WORKED, BUT IS POSSIBLE IF THE RIGHT CHOICES ARE MADE.

Dominate where you can? In what way did a 5-11 team dominate??? The fact that they don't want to build through the draft is the reason that they are screwed when a major starter goes down - no depth.

And if they want to waste their remaining cap money on a another high cost LB, they will once again have no depth. Why can't they just save some of that cap room for something else down the line? Perhaps then we won't have to watch them cut players or restructure everyone's contract so that they will have cap room for their annual offseason re-making of the roster next year.

[Langford78]

We do not have the ability to get what we need most, which is DL and WR.

I think if we either pick at #6 or trade down a few slots and pick up another selection or two, we could go a long way towards fixing the DL and WR problems

[Higgs44]

sorry...I dont see anything remotely close to Wilbur Marshall in Lance Briggs...except for the fact they both played for Chicago.

[scruffylookin]

Nope. Plan B didn't exist when we signed Marshall. Free agency existed in a very limited format at the time and required 2 1st rd picks in exchange for signing the player. Plan B came out after the Marshall the deal. I think it was around between 1989 and 1993, then the current free agency system was established.

You are correct.

We had to give up 2 first round picks for Wilbur Marshall and he most certainly was not worth it.

He was a fine player and all but he certainly was not the same force he was in Chicago. He and Richie Petitbon butted heads and during his first couple of seasons here, Richie pulled him on third down. Wilbur finally began to play like the player we thought he'd be his last couple of seasons in DC, but overall it was not a good trade.

To this day I remember Buddy Ryan crying that he wished the Eagles had been able to get Wilbur in 88 instead of the Skins because he knew how to use him and he would have been a devastating force. I just shudder to think what those Eagles defenses would have been like with that Dline and both Seth Joyner and Wilbur Marshall at linebacker.

[Bang]

You are correct.

We had to give up 2 first round picks for Wilbur Marshall and he most certainly was not worth it.
.
3 Pro Bowls in 5 years, and he wasn't worth it? (Bear in mind back then fans had no say in Pro Bowl voting. Players and coaches voted on their peers.)
Nevermind we also won a Super Bowl in the same time, so obviously the picks didn't really hurt, eh?
Consider the fact the Redskins had exactly 3 first round picks in the 11 yrs that Gibbs coached the first go round, but managed to find guys like Clint Didier, Dexter Manley, Daryl Grant, Charlie Brown, Kelvin Bryant, Raleigh McKenzie, Terry Orr, Kurt Gouveia, Mark Rypien, Ed Simmons, Clarence Vaughn, Mark Schlereth, and Brian Mitchell AFTER the fourth round. (AND pulled Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders thru supplemental drafts)
Now, tell me again how much we needed those two picks?
Wilber Marshall was one of the most dynamic playmakers we had on a defense that was outstanding.

~Bang

[26fan4life]

If what is AVAILABLE makes you better, yes, DO IT. We do not have the ability to get what we need most, which is DL and WR. So, Briggs is an upgrade over Marshall/McIntosh and makes our LB core DOMINANT.

DOMINATE WHERE YOU CAN.

THE SKINS DON'T BELIEVE IN BUILDING ONLY THROUGH THE DRAFT, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED. THEIR PHILOSOPHY IS TO GO AFTER PLAYERS ENDING THEIR ROOKIE CONTRACTS, PLAYERS WITH NFL EXPERIENCE. SO FAR THAT HASN'T WORKED, BUT IS POSSIBLE IF THE RIGHT CHOICES ARE MADE.


you r soooo a bears trying to f us up. That's some of the dumbest #### i've ever read.

[Laxpunk2006]

If what is AVAILABLE makes you better, yes, DO IT. We do not have the ability to get what we need most, which is DL and WR. So, Briggs is an upgrade over Marshall/McIntosh and makes our LB core DOMINANT.

DOMINATE WHERE YOU CAN.

THE SKINS DON'T BELIEVE IN BUILDING ONLY THROUGH THE DRAFT, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED. THEIR PHILOSOPHY IS TO GO AFTER PLAYERS ENDING THEIR ROOKIE CONTRACTS, PLAYERS WITH NFL EXPERIENCE. SO FAR THAT HASN'T WORKED, BUT IS POSSIBLE IF THE RIGHT CHOICES ARE MADE.

Yea and the Nazi's philosophy was to kill all the Jews. Doesn't mean it was a good idea.

I agree with using what is available to better the team. However not when sacrificing the ability to adress other needs in the future for a quick fix on a non-essential 'want.' Briggs is a good player and would make the Redskins a better defense. Unfortunately he is not worth a first round pick swap, and we have nothing else to offer.

[SoCalSkins]

3 Pro Bowls in 5 years, and he wasn't worth it? (Bear in mind back then fans had no say in Pro Bowl voting. Players and coaches voted on their peers.)


He was also the NFL defensive player of the year for us.

[jrfriedm]

I think he will be more like Warrick Holdman... not WILBER Marshall

What?! Are you serious? Do you know anything about football? Do you watch the game at all?

[Arsenic]

Briggs = Archuleta


wow. thanks for all the thought & time you've put into this statement.

how the hell do you know? The truth is that you don't. You're ASSuming.

Thanks for your assumption.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Marshall was a beast for us. Don't kid yourselves. In the 5 years he played for us he had 24.5 sacks and 12 INT's. He also scored 2 TD's. I can't find any stats on tackles, but I clearly remember that he was all over the place making tackles.

There's absolutely no truth to the claim that he wasn't as good here as in Chicago.

[Arsenic]

Dominate where you can? In what way did a 5-11 team dominate???

I believe he is referring to the upcoming year. Chill, Phill.

[Arsenic]

Yea and the Nazi's philosophy was to kill all the Jews. Doesn't mean it was a good idea.

Ignorant and unsuitable analogy.

Who are you to say what is a good idea? Ill trust JG & co. over you anyday. You arent even a hair on the pimple of JG's ***.

[SkinsFTW]

Nope. Plan B didn't exist when we signed Marshall. Free agency existed in a very limited format at the time and required 2 1st rd picks in exchange for signing the player. Plan B came out after the Marshall the deal. I think it was around between 1989 and 1993, then the current free agency system was established.

Wrong.

"After the 1987 strike, the Players Association changed its approach, de-certified itself as a collective bargaining entity, and allowed individual players to challenge the league’s free agency system in court. The owners sensed danger and instituted Plan B free agency: teams retained refusal/compensation rights for 37 players on each roster, leaving the rest to test the open market. Plan B free agency satisfied no one, and several players successfully challenged the system in court. Few big names changed hands under Plan B. Ironically, one of them was Wilber Marshall, who was lured away from the Bears with a five-year, $6-million deal in 1988."

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/print/4967/

[bschurm]

I know I know, not another new Lance Briggs thread. I don't care! Give me an NNT, I don't give two ****s.

Here goes! I am tired of listenening to all the boohooing whiny little babies bitching about the Lance Briggs trade. Many think he will be a colossal bust. What qualifies the majority of you to make such calls?

I hear comparisons to Trotter, he could have been an outstanding backer for us, BUT he tore his knee up. Then I see someone make a comparison to Dana Stubblefield. He was a bust but how can you compare the two?

Point is, not one person on this board can say anything with certainty, yet soooooo many of you experts sit back and tell us all who will be the next best player for the Washington Redskins.

This is such a voltile profession and there are no guarantees as in life. Well for all we know, Lance Briggs could turn out to be the next Wilber Marshall! We can never know until he plays for us at least one season, if he ever does.

So, for the majorityof you, probably 95%, stop whining about what is, isn't, or what may or may not be! If you think you can do a better job than our front office, go and apply for the job. Until then quit bitching.

And to all of you who say you are no longer fans if the Redskins do this or don't do that, good riddance! I challenge you as true fans!!! True fans stay through thick and thin.

Forgive the rant, but I know I am not alone in this. It just seems like things are getting out of hand.

[cocojoey]

I know I know, not another new Lance Briggs thread. I don't care! Give me an NNT, I don't give two ****s.

Here goes! I am tired of listenening to all the boohooing whiny little babies bitching about the Lance Briggs trade. Many think he will be a colossal bust. What qualifies the majority of you to make such calls?

I hear comparisons to Trotter, he could have been an outstanding backer for us, BUT he tore his knee up. Then I see someone make a comparison to Dana Stubblefield. He was a bust but how can you compare the two?

Point is, not one person on this board can say anything with certainty, yet soooooo many of you experts sit back and tell us all who will be the next best player for the Washington Redskins.

This is such a voltile profession and there are no guarantees as in life. Well for all we know, Lance Briggs could turn out to be the next Wilber Marshall! We can never know until he plays for us at least one season, if he ever does.

So, for the majorityof you, probably 95%, stop whining about what is, isn't, or what may or may not be! If you think you can do a better job than our front office, go and apply for the job. Until then quit bitching.

And to all of you who say you are no longer fans if the Redskins do this or don't do that, good riddance! I challenge you as true fans!!! True fans stay through thick and thin.

Forgive the rant, but I know I am not alone in this. It just seems like things are getting out of hand.
That's what I was thinking too!!

[mikeyf316]

:munchout:

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[SoCalSkins]

Not only is this another Briggs thread. There is another one with the same title. And it's spelled Wilbur.

[Higgs44]

this is an original thread!? :doh:

and in no way shape or form does Briggs remind me of Wilbur....not even close to be exact.

[Killerbo]

He might get a 3 day ban.........just saying

[kappaluvacee]

He might get a 3 day ban.........just saying

And the title "NO New Threads."

[0mega]

I hear comparisons to Trotter, he could have been an outstanding backer for us, BUT he tore his knee up. Then I see someone make a comparison to Dana Stubblefield. He was a bust but how can you compare the two?

Point is, not one person on this board can say anything with certainty, yet soooooo many of you experts sit back and tell us all who will be the next best player for the Washington Redskins.

This is such a voltile profession and there are no guarantees as in life. Well for all we know, Lance Briggs could turn out to be the next Wilber Marshall! We can never know until he plays for us at least one season, if he ever does.

Let me ask you - do you actually watch football, or just listen to what the "experts" tell you? :laugh: @ you calling us out, while talking about what the MEDIA says with a straight face.

I earn the right to have an opinion, because I (A) Pay money to attend games (B) Pay money to buy merchandise (C) Pay money to order NFL Ticket, etc. I have the right to "*****", when I wittness our FO making COLOSSAL mistakes year after year after year after year after year.

You're the guy buying the new Briggs jersey (also see Deion, B Smith, Trotter, Arch, etc), while I'll be the guy laughing 2 years later, when you're trying to give it away because he was just released (carrying something like 8 Mil dead cap space over the following two seasons).

[bschurm]

Let me ask you - do you actually watch football, or just listen to what the "experts" tell you? :laugh: @ you calling us out, while talking about what the MEDIA says with a straight face.

I earn the right to have an opinion, because I (A) Pay money to attend games (B) Pay money to buy merchandise (C) Pay money to order NFL Ticket, etc. I have the right to "*****", when I wittness our FO making COLOSSAL mistakes year after year after year after year after year.

You're the guy buying the new Briggs jersey (also see Deion, B Smith, Trotter, Arch, etc), while I'll be the guy laughing 2 years later, when you're trying to give it away because he was just released (carrying something like 8 Mil dead cap space over the following two seasons).

You are exactly the type of idiot that I am talking about. Where in in my post did I say anything about me actually saying Briggs was the next WM? I was ranting and saying he could be a great acquisition. Then again he could be a complete bust. We just can't know that.

My post simply states that there are too many whiny bitches on this message board. If you actually read the post you would see that, that is if you comprehend english!

By the way DCKIHEAD, I don't buy jerseys, I graduated high school 20 years ago.

I'll admit I didn't do a search, but for those of you who can actually comprehend english you will see this is less a thread about Briggs being the second coming of WM than it is a rant about idiots on this message board.

[Morneblade]

Are there more important pieces? Yes. But the question is, how can you make the team better with what is AVAILABLE. Sure, we need OL, WR, DT and DE, but we have no picks with which to trade up for the top WR or OL, who will be gone before Pick 6. Once you get past those two, the remaining OL and WR will not improve the team more than Briggs will.

Our secondary has been solidified, Briggs would make the LB core dominant. The D Line is average, but will play above average with better secondary and LBs.
:doh:

The D-line is bad and injury prone, and will make the rest of the team look much worse than it really is.:rolleyes: