What is it about Gaines Adams...

[DieHard86]

that everybody in the NFL and all the pundits and columnists like but the Redskins just don't seem to recognize? Seems like the Vikings will take him and sack Campbell twice in October.

[AKM311]

I am a huge Terps fan and watched Adams play often. Now while he was very explosive, he can be man handled against larger guys. Thats why I think he fits best in a 3-4 and not a 4-3, but maybe if he added weight, he could be come dominant. Because he has some great moves.

[[[ghost]]]

That, plus I've heard he takes plays off. He's plenty talented, but if he kept going all the time, especially against the run, he'd be a good player.

And its very very ignorant to say that, if the Vikings draft him, he'll sack Campbell twice. Thats about as smart as saying who ever drafts Calvin Johnson will be celebrating a Superbowl victory come February.

[rwn]

that everybody in the NFL and all the pundits and columnists like but the Redskins just don't seem to recognize? Seems like the Vikings will take him and sack Campbell twice in October.

It s posts like this which make me feel for the job the mods have to do on this board. Not only is it a poorly thought out post but he made a new post out of a question that has been asked and debated countless times in other posts that aleady exist on here

[DieHard86]

It s posts like this which make me feel for the job the mods have to do on this board. Not only is it a poorly thought out post but he made a new post out of a question that has been asked and debated countless times in other posts that aleady exist on here

Oh, man. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[SkinsWizCubsDukes]

Looking at other starter in the league, Adams is not that small as compared to other players. No, he isn't as big as Peppers, but I am sure he has room to bulk up. As for taking plays off, good coaching can make sure that doesn't happen.

[KCJDLJ]

Man! Whats the deal? The guy asks a question and he's treated like Hitler. Good grief, chill out just a little bit. Maybe the poor guy dosen't read every post on the board, if YOU do get a life. :doh:

[flexxskins]

I can maybe understand you thinking that the Vikings might take Adams if he falls to them, but why in the world would you feel/say that he is going to sack Campbell twice? :confused:

[rwn]

Man! Whats the deal? The guy asks a question and he's treated like Hitler. Good grief, chill out just a little bit. Maybe the poor guy dosen't read every post on the board, if YOU do get a life. :doh:
Well if he had bothered to ask his question in the 50 plus other posts on this subject then people like me would never say a word because we would not have to sort through 100 junk posts to find 1 that has some merit and real content in it

[flexxskins]

Man! Whats the deal? The guy asks a question and he's treated like Hitler. Good grief, chill out just a little bit. Maybe the poor guy dosen't read every post on the board, if YOU do get a life. :doh:Hitler? Umm, what exactly was said here that was so harsh that you felt it necessary to compare it to one of the most notorious, sick and criminal minds of all time?

[Stonoman]

Needs to bulk up!!

[KCJDLJ]

You guys are like vultures perched above the board looking for fresh meat to tear apart. I suppose that since you seem to be the one who can judge a "well thought out post" you must consider yourself a member of the master race.

[flexxskins]

You guys are like vultures perched above the board looking for fresh meat to tear apart. I suppose that since you seem to be the one who can judge a "well thought out post" you must consider yourself a member of the master race.Master race? My man, you need to calm down. What comments are you talking about? You are the only one in this thread that seems to be hyped.

Hitler.

Master race.

:wtf:

[rwn]

You guys are like vultures perched above the board looking for fresh meat to tear apart. I suppose that since you seem to be the one who can judge a "well thought out post" you must consider yourself a member of the master race.
Why by the way you are acting I wuld swear you are taking this way to personal that person must be either your friend or a relative ?? Because if not then why the heck are you butting into a conversation that has nothing to do with you

[Kosher Ham]

You guys are like vultures perched above the board looking for fresh meat to tear apart. I suppose that since you seem to be the one who can judge a "well thought out post" you must consider yourself a member of the master race.

Kind of early in the thread to be saying folks are acting like vultures and such.

And "master race" ? WTF ? :doh:

[meek]

I think the Skins aren't that impressed because he's so bad against the run. Real nice guy though with a solid character from what I could tell going to high school with him.

[DieHard86]

I can maybe understand you thinking that the Vikings might take Adams if he falls to them, but why in the world would you feel/say that he is going to sack Campbell twice? :confused:

Because our front office goes out out of its way to screw things up as bad as any of us Redskins fan could possibly imagine.

[Kosher Ham]

Because our front office goes out out of its way to screw things up as bad as any of us Redskins fan could possibly imagine.

Really, based on what exactly ?

Seriously, I want you to take a second and come back with a well thought out response regarding how the "front office goes out of its way to screw things up".

I will respond in kind.

[Chump Bailey]

Gaines could very well be another Derrick Burgess clone. Derrick is an outstanding speed rusher. I would just feel more comfortable with an Anderson or Carriker playing opposite of Carter and not Gaines. I think it's a legitimate concern or it appears so IMO.

I do worry about teams running at Gaines and/or Carter, granted Carter's all around play improved towards the end of the season. I also think Holdman deserves some blame also which others have IMO correctly pointed out. I'm not crazy about the interior of the line too which only increases my reservations about selecting Gaines.

If the decision were mine and no trade were possible, Branch or Okoye would be wearing the B&G come September - even then I would likely have to flip a coin to decide. I think a guy that can cause disruption up the middle right at the QB, collapse the pocket and stuff the run is exactly what we need.

[adamyesme1111]

diehard dont apologize to rwn or whatever his name is hes just being an ASS

[ClintonINFORSIX26]

Idk...Hes fast...very quick moves...and they say he has the frame that he could put on 20-30 pounds and not lose a step

[Jumbo]

that everybody in the NFL and all the pundits and columnists like but the Redskins just don't seem to recognize? Seems like the Vikings will take him and sack Campbell twice in October.The first sentence is a misrepresentation of facts; dramatically exaggerated.
The second is somewhat silly speculation based on nothingness. Next?

It s posts like this which make me feel for the job the mods have to do on this board. Not only is it a poorly thought out post but he made a new post out of a question that has been asked and debated countless times in other posts that aleady exist on hereThat was my first value-judgment/thought as a moderator, but of course it is a perfectly legit thread to start, as there isn't one today really dealing with Gaines as an individual.

Man! Whats the deal? The guy asks a question and he's treated like Hitler. Good grief, chill out just a little bit. Maybe the poor guy dosen't read every post on the board, if YOU do get a life. :doh:This is simply an idiotic post--reasons already noted by others.

You guys are like vultures perched above the board looking for fresh meat to tear apart. I suppose that since you seem to be the one who can judge a "well thought out post" you must consider yourself a member of the master race.Here there is at least some minimal worth in the first sentence--but that aspect of the nature of the board, especially these days, should hardly evoke surprise. The rest of the post is a continuation of the idiotic doctrine.

Because our front office goes out out of its way to screw things up as bad as any of us Redskins fan could possibly imagine.
And this non-sequitir of spasming cognition is just snatching the final stupidity ring for gratuitous slamming. :cheers:

You get to where you can see the train wrecks coming, sometimes. Hopefully this and the other posters who are now actually making a discussion out of Gaines and the Redskins will put it, and keep it, on track.

[Smoot II:The Resurrection]

I go to Clemson and have for all of Gaines's years as the Tigers' starting DE. He is nothing but a beast and though I know some people may naturally see this as a biased homer report, I would stray away from hoping for Gaines if I didn't think he filled our team needs. As much as some tigers fans would hate what I am about to say, before Clemson I am a Redskins fan, and that is final. And I believe from what I have seen that his ferocity and explosiveness is what we need. It pains me when I watched us last year and saw how much composure opposing QBs could keep in the pocket against us just because everyone was getting met at the line and rarely could we even send a QB out of the pocket. Gaines can do this, and as a result we can send QB's running and keep them on their toes so that they don't have time to look off the most feared safety in football (Sean Taylor)(as if I even have to put his name in parentheses) and we can get some turnovers in our secondary. I understand the RB criticism but seldom saw it and think the fact that it is getting emphasized so intensely is ridiculous. The bottom line is we need a solid DE that can send opposing QB's into a state of disorientation, and from what I have seen Gaines is the man for the job.

[Seabee1973]

Master race? My man, you need to calm down. What comments are you talking about? You are the only one in this thread that seems to be hyped.

Hitler.

Master race.

:wtf:

master race is where after all the golfing is done the top 40 golfers in the world get it on in a race track :D

[unter13]

I am a huge Terps fan and watched Adams play often. Now while he was very explosive, he can be man handled against larger guys. Thats why I think he fits best in a 3-4 and not a 4-3, but maybe if he added weight, he could be come dominant. Because he has some great moves.




None of this makes sense. He didn't play for the Terps he played for Clemson. Smaller DE's fit best in 4-3 not 3-4's. In 3-4's you need bigger DE's because they take on more blockers.:doh:

[Chump Bailey]

None of this makes sense. He didn't play for the Terps he played for Clemson. Smaller DE's fit best in 4-3 not 3-4's. In 3-4's you need bigger DE's because they take on more blockers.:doh:


He's referring to the conference - ACC and to his perhaps being better suited as a 34 OLB...

[[[ghost]]]

Man! Whats the deal? The guy asks a question and he's treated like Hitler. Good grief, chill out just a little bit. Maybe the poor guy dosen't read every post on the board, if YOU do get a life. :doh:

Maybe if you actually knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't sound like such a retard.

If you don't bother reading the countless other topics which have discussed this exact topic, then he wouldn't get flamed for it.

In all honesty, this is about the same thing as creating a thread with the title "Coach Joe is back!"

[Passizle]

master race is where after all the golfing is done the top 40 golfers in the world get it on in a race track :D

Dumbest post ever.
Worst joke ever.

You should get a prize for getting two for one.

Here's your sign...

[unter13]

He's referring to the conference - ACC and to his perhaps being better suited as a 34 OLB...



Well he didn't state that. Are you his big brother?:laugh:

[[[ghost]]]

Well he didn't state that. Are you his big brother?:laugh:

You're one of those losers who makes terrible jokes, then fails to realise you're the only one laughing.

[flexxskins]

]']You're one of those losers who makes terrible jokes, then fails to realise you're the only one laughing.How much do you want to bet that he scrolled back to see if there were any other laughy faces?

[Chump Bailey]

Well he didn't state that. Are you his big brother?:laugh:


Nah...

You just misread the post. I do it all the time. **** happens. I was just trying to clear things up. Don't sweat it...

[dfbovey]

Well if he had bothered to ask his question in the 50 plus other posts on this subject then people like me would never say a word because we would not have to sort through 100 junk posts to find 1 that has some merit and real content in it

Instead of bitching and moaning, why don't you just send a PM to one of the mods so they can do their job? That's what the report a post button is for.

[Major Harris]

You get to where you can see the train wrecks coming, sometimes. Hopefully this and the other posters who are now actually making a discussion out of Gaines and the Redskins will put it, and keep it, on track.


is this from the book of jumbo?

[HoyaSkins28]

i think anderson is better but i think if we stay at #6 we'll take adams

[Geoff_K]

]']You're one of those losers who makes terrible jokes, then fails to realise you're the only one laughing.

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[Dick Edds]

I go to Clemson and have for all of Gaines's years as the Tigers' starting DE. He is nothing but a beast and though I know some people may naturally see this as a biased homer report, I would stray away from hoping for Gaines if I didn't think he filled our team needs. As much as some tigers fans would hate what I am about to say, before Clemson I am a Redskins fan, and that is final. And I believe from what I have seen that his ferocity and explosiveness is what we need. It pains me when I watched us last year and saw how much composure opposing QBs could keep in the pocket against us just because everyone was getting met at the line and rarely could we even send a QB out of the pocket. Gaines can do this, and as a result we can send QB's running and keep them on their toes so that they don't have time to look off the most feared safety in football (Sean Taylor)(as if I even have to put his name in parentheses) and we can get some turnovers in our secondary. I understand the RB criticism but seldom saw it and think the fact that it is getting emphasized so intensely is ridiculous. The bottom line is we need a solid DE that can send opposing QB's into a state of disorientation, and from what I have seen Gaines is the man for the job.

I whole-heartedly agree with this. I also went to Clemson, and have watched Gaines Adam's college career explode before my eyes.

I have had several discussions with many folks on the board who disagaree and think Jamaal Anderson or Carriker or Branch would be a better pick for us, or have a more immediate impact on our defense. First I will say that I will be completely content with any of the options metined above, and I am just excited and ready to see who this coaching staff thinks is the player for us. I will support any selection they make, other than a Lance Briggs trade where we have to give up an additional defensive player and a #6.

That being said, I will continue to disregard any unfounded comments regarding Adam's ability to succeed in the NFL due merely to his size, the myth that he is "bad" against the run, and the proposterous assumption that he "takes" plays off. I am sorry but someone who is the highest rated DE in the draft, who was 3rd in the nation in sacks and was a finalist for every major collegiate defensive honor there is, does not take plays off. In fact I don't think anyone at this level "takes plays off" ... these players are human, they get worn down like anyone at certain times.

All those things being said, I really like what I see in Carriker and Jamaal Anderson, heck I wouldn't even mind Branch, because it is about what our coaching staff thinks we need that I am most excited about, and I think anyone of these players can help our defense ... though trading back and getting one of these players and another first day draft pick would be ideal. But I will not acceopt any of these stereotypes that random mediots and so called scouts attach to a player like Gaines.

One thing that comforts me, is knowing that no matter what people say about a certain player's strengths and weaknesses ... our coaching staff is going to judge these players based on their college career, how they performed in pressure situations, how they improved each year, their character and their work ethic. So for all the "he's too small" ... "he sucks against the run" ... "he's only gonna succeed in a 3-4 defense or as an OSLB"... I ask that someone show me stats that prove any of the above. Other than one video on youtube that shows him getting knocked backwards by a RB on one play (even though he got off blockers to make the play), where is the evidence of these things. Out of the months of debating/discussing Adam's, I have not seen one shred of evidence that supports any of the myths about Gaine's size or ability that are contstaly slung around and used as a reason as to why he is not worth the #6 pick or would not succeed on our team.

All I ask for is some sound proof that shows this other side of Gaines Adam's - the side that is bad against the run and takes plays off ... that I never once noticed seeing throuhgout his entire collgiate career.

[#98QBKiller]

I am a huge Terps fan and watched Adams play often. Now while he was very explosive, he can be man handled against larger guys. Thats why I think he fits best in a 3-4 and not a 4-3, but maybe if he added weight, he could be come dominant. Because he has some great moves.




You need to read this post then:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194740

[Dick Edds]

You need to read this post then:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194740

absolutley!

[Peregrine]

Well the problems with Adams stem from his size, and lack of strength. Hes a good pass rusher, but I dont think hes that much better than Anderson, and Anderson can also play the run. Anderson is the one guy I think is worthy of the #6 spot.

Unfortunately, with Adams it appears he is a one trick pony, a pure pass rusher.

[Dick Edds]

Well the problems with Adams stem from his size, and lack of strength. Hes a good pass rusher, but I dont think hes that much better than Anderson, and Anderson can also play the run. Anderson is the one guy I think is worthy of the #6 spot.

Unfortunately, with Adams it appears he is a one trick pony, a pure pass rusher.

I do not disagree and think that Jamaal Anderosn would be a good sleection at the #6 spot, he led the SEC in sacks (which speaks volumes of his atheltics ability). Having said that, he only played DE for 2 years I think, not that that is a way to measure talent. Just staing that he has had less experiecne at the DE position.

But, what is it about Adam's that you think is not sound, or good? I guess I am just curious why somone who excells at rushing the passers ... is being labeled a one trick pony?

True that is what he is most known for, but he also blocks passes, chases down RB's, TE's, WR's and wreaksed all out havock for opposiong offenses ... and defended the run at the same time.

His size is comparable to any dominant DE in the NFL today, that is a measurabel fact. I will try to locate that info myslef that someone earlier posted, lisitng all the starting DE's in the league today.

[#98QBKiller]

His size is comparable to any dominant DE in the NFL today, that is a measurabel fact. I will try to locate that info myslef that someone earlier posted, lisitng all the starting DE's in the league today.



It's right here: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/...ad.php?t=194740

And that is one of the better posts I've seen on Gaines Adams yet....that's why I've posted it twice in this thread already. :)




Well the problems with Adams stem from his size, and lack of strength. Hes a good pass rusher, but I dont think hes that much better than Anderson, and Anderson can also play the run. Anderson is the one guy I think is worthy of the #6 spot.

Unfortunately, with Adams it appears he is a one trick pony, a pure pass rusher.


While, I don't think your assessment of Adams as a "one-trick pony" is true. It makes me wonder, what would be wrong with that if it is true?

Let's say hypothetically if we were to draft Adams and he were to start for us next season and emerges as a pure pass rusher, would that not drastically help our team?

London Fletcher was acquired to give us some leadership and to help stop the run because he's a tackling machine. A big-time pass rusher like Gaines Adams would increase our number of sacks and have QBs scrambling from both his side and Andre Carter's. Also, the more pressure you get on a QB the more errant throws he makes, which would increase the number of turnovers for our secondary.

[Lowghost]

Adams, Anderson, or Carriker would make me happy. I just hope we get one of these 3 guys.

[Dick Edds]

at the #6 pick in the draft you better have a player that excells at something that can have a huge impact in the outcome of games ... Adam's may be better at pass rushing than playing the run (while I don't agree that is the case - it can be argued) ... having said that, I don't think we are looking for an "all around good player" who is pretty good at stuffing the run and pretty good at rushing the passer. With a #6 pick we are looking for a player that is "dominant" and has a skillset that we badly need inserted into our defense.

Some say "we already have Adams, and his name is Andre Carter" ... that is the same thing as saying "we already have Branch and his name is Golston" ... it doesn't work that way. Even if Adam's only saw 3rd down action as a rookie ... he could still make an impact that could decide the outcomes of the games.

Once the ball is kicked off, it doesn't matter what round you were drafted in, how much money you make, or whether you are 1st string or 2nd string ... it's about how you contribute to the team, how your skills help other players succeed. That is something I think Gaines Adam's has right now, the ability to start in obvious pass rushing situations, while developing into a better all around DE who can see the field 75% of the game by the end of his first year. And I'm spent.