Carr, Panthers agree to terms.

[SkinnedAussie]

KFFL are reporting that QB David Carr has agreed to a two year deal with Carolina.

No financials released.

[THUNDERDOME]

wonder if he can beat out delhomme for the job

[lovetoaster]

wonder if he can beat out delhomme for the job

He certainly can, but I think it will be Delhomme's job to lose from the outset. Good move by the Panthers.

[SkinnedAussie]

Not forgetting Weinke is still on the Panthers roster as well.

[Mr. S]

Not forgetting Weinke is still on the Panthers roster as well.

I think they released him actually. This move is not surprising, though humorous cause I can make fun of my one Panthers fan friend. They wanted a veteran backup, but this now eliminates any possibility of them trading up for Brady Quinn.

Now if he beats out Delhomme, that'd be interesting.

[DWinzit]

Good place for Carr, although I don't know if he is their QB answer. Weinkie was released, he'll be battling Delhomme and Basanez.

[jimster]

I like Carr. - I think he may benefit tremendously by sitting and watching for a year or two.

...not to mention having an offensive line.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

I would have liked to see him (Carr) in Seattle working with Holmgren. I like the fit in Carolina too but he would benifit more if he went to Seattle. I like Carr, the guy has had a miserable time in the NFL so far and its not his own fault.......

[bubba9497]

Carr wants to hide on the bench for awhile, before trying to be a starter again is my thinking why he would sign with Carolina

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Carr wants to hide on the bench for awhile, before trying to be a starter again is my thinking why he would sign with Carolina


thats a really good point, but i wonder if he could have done the same in Seattle...either way, its what he needs. Sit on the bench recieve some good coaching and form yourself all overt again. He has the tools and IMO he will succeed as a starter at some point.

[HeHateMe]

The only viable starting gig left is in Miami.

Their interest was lukewarm at best.

Its a good situation for now. Although I wouldve only signed for one year if I were him.

[CaptChaos86]

Not forgetting Weinke is still on the Panthers roster as well.


They did release him which is a very good thing. I really hope Carr can beat out Delhomme. He could be a very good QB if he has a little help from his O-line. It will be very interesting to watch.

[Hooper]

What a bust that qb draft class was. Carr at one, Harrington at three... wow.

Carr has terrible football instincts. His offensive line didn't look half bad when Sage Rosenfels was playing.

[FunBunch7]

Carr wants to hide on the bench for awhile, before trying to be a starter again is my thinking why he would sign with Carolina

It could be interresting to see what Carr will do not having to pick himself up off the canvas 6-8 times per game.

[Hershey Pork]

What a bust that qb draft class was. Carr at one, Harrington at three... wow.

Carr has terrible football instincts. His offensive line didn't look half bad when Sage Rosenfels was playing.
I think Ramsey was in that draft too.

I think this is a good move for the Panthers though. Carr could possibly become a reliable starter for them. Especially since he's got a better OL there, that he did in Houston.

[the burgundy and gold]

good move by the Panthers, Jake D hasn't played very well the last few years, he's getting older, and i think it's almost time for him to become a backup. I bet atleast midway through the year Carr is the starter.

[Hooper]

Like I said before, the Texans offensive line looked MUCH better when Rosenfels got in there. Carr, like Ramsey, simply doesn't process things fast enough on the football field. If his first read is open, he's fine. But if not, he panics, holds on to the ball forever, and then either gets sacked or makes a bad decision. Kubiak completely gave up on him. That ain't a good sign.

[Om]

To me how good the move is for Carolina is in direct proportion to how much they paid him.

If he's a dollars bargain, it strikes me as a very solid play for a still-young guy with all kinds of upside, coming in w/o the big-money expectation and pressure that would put not only on him, but on Jake and the team as well.

If they had to pay him big money though (not sure what I'd consider "big" in this case--I'll know it when I see it :) ), it changes the dynamic considerably.

Gotta admit though that the gut reaction to the signing itself is that it's a solid move for both the player and the team.

Be interesting to see the numbers.

[DCsportsfan53]

Like I said before, the Texans offensive line looked MUCH better when Rosenfels got in there. Carr, like Ramsey, simply doesn't process things fast enough on the football field. If his first read is open, he's fine. But if not, he panics, holds on to the ball forever, and then either gets sacked or makes a bad decision. Kubiak completely gave up on him. That ain't a good sign.


Gotta agree here. I don't know that they wouldn't have been better off keeping Weinke, someone who knows what they do on offense. The Panthers have a lot of issues right now and are going to face some critical decisions in the near future which will shape how good they are for some time. As bad as the Skins were last year, I don't envy the Panther's position right now.

[graniteFallsNCskins]

Best move Carolina's made in two years.Ihope Carr can get the opportunity to beat jake out.Anybody that thinks Carolina want be a beast this year barring the crazy injuries is fooling themselves.I'm glade we want see them til the playoffs.

[Passizle]

Not for nothing, but Carr (no I'm not crazy. Flame away) could be a GREAT quarterback. That guy is tough as nails (sacked 249 times in 5 yeasr), has one hell of a completion percentage for a guy that has been sacked that much, Has relativley low amount of interceptions (again, for a guy pressured and sacked that much).
I could see him exploding behind a decent O-line and much improved offensive weapons. I hope he beats out Jake. If he does, I bet you dollars to doughnuts he becomes front page material.
Mods, mark this down if he gets the nod to start. I will gladly eat crow if I am wrong.

[EnFoRcEr_uPu]

wonder if he can beat out delhomme for the job

I'll put money on him starting in Carolina by the 2008-2009 season. Carr is a good QB who got caught in a ****ty situation in Houston. Delhomme only looks good because of Steve Smith.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I think this is interesting simply because at some point, everyone in the Carolinas is going to realize that Delhomme simply is not that good a QB.

[Rufus T Firefly]

To me how good the move is for Carolina is in direct proportion to how much they paid him.

If he's a dollars bargain, it strikes me as a very solid play for a still-young guy with all kinds of upside, coming in w/o the big-money expectation and pressure that would put not only on him, but on Jake and the team as well.

If they had to pay him big money though (not sure what I'd consider "big" in this case--I'll know it when I see it :) ), it changes the dynamic considerably.

Gotta admit though that the gut reaction to the signing itself is that it's a solid move for both the player and the team.

Be interesting to see the numbers.

2 years, $6 mil with $3 mil guaranteed is what I heard.

With a little time to re-group and a decent O-Line I think he can be pretty good.

[Om]

2 years, $6 mil with $3 mil guaranteed is what I heard.

With a little time to re-group and a decent O-Line I think he can be pretty good.
Not knowing where Jake is contract-wise or what the Panthers are thinking in terms of how long he'll be the starter ... given those numbers for Carr it sure looks solid from here. If he fulfills his potential and shows them he's capable of leading the team, they can pay him starter money in a couple years. If it turns out his time in Houston beat the QB out of him ... he's at worst a worthwhile calculated gamble. I like the move as it stands.

[CalSkinsFan]

I too like this signing, for both parties.

Carr was thrown directly into the fire as a rookie on a bad team (both offensively and defensively). Barring injury, or Jake completley falls apart and reverts to his NO days, Carr shouldn't be asked to play much this season, being his 1st year in the new system.

He will probably benefit greatly from a year of watching and learning, something he hasn't had a chance to do at the pro level. Then in year 2, if the team doesn't feel Jake is the long term answer, and Carr has shown some promise, Carr gets his shot. If not, Carr is then free to move on and look for an oportunity elsewhere after 2 years.

[DWinzit]

The signing is good for Carolina and Carr.

I don't however think any of the three QB's on their roster are their future.

And yes, Houstons OL did look fine with Sage! Carr does have the Ramsey syndrome.

[snaps]

Even though Delhomme is the starter i see Carr winning out the starting job before the end of this season.

[SkinnedAussie]

As per KFFL, it's a 2-year, $6.2 mill contract.

[Siven]

Carr got sacked 249 times in 5 (not full) seasons. that's insane. That's twice the amount of time Peyton's been sacked. And the fewest times he got sacked in a year 41, is still almost 3 times a game.

[Kosher Ham]

Funniest part about reading this thread is how little some people really pay attention to other teams.

The Panthers DO NOT have a good OL.
They have an over-rated Defense. So for everyone to hop on their wagon last year thinking they were going to be better when they didnt address the OL at all was just silly. At least now they hired an OC that is a recent OL coach...for the Browns...
Jake Delhomme is NOT a good QB.
They have a fragile RB (Foster), and a RB (Williams) who will now have some real film on him.
They have needed a TE forever it seems, but they still dont try to get anyone worth bothering with.
Etc, etc.

Carr is not a bust, but not exactly a good QB either. He does have completions, but he is a gambler, and certainly not a great leader of the offensive unit at this point, not to mention he has some problems reading defenses, Delhomme has some problems with reading defenses also.

[SkinnedAussie]

Panthers | Carr contract update
Sat, 7 Apr 2007 04:51:18 -0700

Updating previous items, John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Carolina Panthers QB David Carr signed a two-year contract worth $6.3 million. The deal can be worth as much as $8.5 million with incentives.

[Hooper]

Carr is garbage. Beat out Delhomme? That's hilarious. I got this from a poster on foxsports.com and couldn't agree more. Anyone who watched Carr play last year knew the OL wasn't the problem.

"All of you Carr lovers who never actually saw him play last year don't know what you're talking about. His stats were padded with late 3rd and 4th quarter passes given up by prevent defenses. In his second to the last game he had net -5 yards passing. In the one game where he was yanked by Kubiak for 3 straight turn-overs in a row, his backup against the exact same defense threw for 3 TDs and almost got the win. Those 3 straight TOs were on 3 straight plays, not 3 straight drives but 3 straight plays. He's a shell-shocked QB that locks onto 1 receiver and tries to force it into 5 man coverage, literally, or dumps it after stuttering in the pocket for 1.5 seconds with no immediate rush to the RB behind the line of scrimmage. His "Record Setting" performance at home of 22 straight completions finished off with fully 7 completed passes behind the line of scrimmage. For the record, of his 68+% completions right at 70% were thrown on attempts under 10 yards and roughly a third of those behind the line of scrimmage."

[MLSKINS]

Carr is garbage. Beat out Delhomme? That's hilarious.
Yeah he can beat out Jake the Fake. He is king of the throw em ups. He got lucky that year when he had Mushin and Steve Smith becasue they will go get it. Without them two WR he is nothing. Carr is a beast, the man was getting his man with a Pop Warner league O-Line.

He's a shell-shocked QB that locks onto 1 receiver and tries to force it into 5 man coverage, literally

I am calling bull**** on this one. Andre Johson is a beast and he should get the ball whenever he is open. Carr never through into triple coverage let alone a 5 Man coverage how stupid will that be use some sense.

His "Record Setting" performance at home of 22 straight completions finished off with fully 7 completed passes behind the line of scrimmage. For the record, of his 68+% completions right at 70% were thrown on attempts under 10 yards and roughly a third of those behind the line of scrimmage."

Yeah that is messed up, but what is even more messed up was how people were on here riding Brunells jock when he did it. But it is the NFL 22 passes is 22 passes.

[Hooper]

Carr is a beast? LOL.

I guess that's why Gary Kubiak decided to bench him for Sage Rosenfels, who came in and made the offensive line look downright solid all of a sudden. Then he gets hurt, Carr comes back in, and all of a sudden the Texans suck again.

Ba... ba... BUST.

[jimster]

Like I said before, the Texans offensive line looked MUCH better when Rosenfels got in there. Carr, like Ramsey, simply doesn't process things fast enough on the football field. If his first read is open, he's fine. But if not, he panics, holds on to the ball forever, and then either gets sacked or makes a bad decision. Kubiak completely gave up on him. That ain't a good sign.

There was an article somewhere recently that talked about how when Palmer was his OC his first four years, he only taught him what receiver (plural) to throw to. Kubiak was the first to teach him to make reads and gave him more than one option. - If that is true, you can understand why Sage looked more comfortable.

If he can sit for a year or two and watch someone else and practice in a NFL style offense, he could turn out ok.

[MLSKINS]

Carr is a beast? LOL.

I guess that's why Gary Kubiak decided to bench him for Sage Rosenfels, who came in and made the offensive line look downright solid all of a sudden. Then he gets hurt, Carr comes back in, and all of a sudden the Texans suck again.

Ba... ba... BUST.
Them three touchdowns were 10 yards or short, the only reason they were in that game was becasue my man Lundy was getting his man that day. Like I said he is a beast. If he can make plays with that offense he had in Houston just picture him with a reliable running game, and a reciveing core, not just one person. But he should be able to take Dellhome (sp?) spot. I mean this dude made our 06 secondary look like the best.

[Peregrine]

Big deal for Carolina. This puts them over the top. Instead of being a disapointing failure, they will now be a disapointing failure with Carr as a backup QB.

[Skins247]

Gotta agree here. I don't know that they wouldn't have been better off keeping Weinke, someone who knows what they do on offense. The Panthers have a lot of issues right now and are going to face some critical decisions in the near future which will shape how good they are for some time. As bad as the Skins were last year, I don't envy the Panther's position right now.

Dude, you have no clue what you're talking about. The Panthers were something like 0-17 when Weinke started. How are they better off keeping him, again? LOL

[Kosher Ham]

Dude, you have no clue what you're talking about. The Panthers were something like 0-17 when Weinke started. How are they better off keeping him, again? LOL

I agree that Weinke hasnt shown that he is a good QB. :laugh:

Panthers and Weinke are equally at fault.

He had bust written all over him, thus the reason he was drafted in the fourth round. Regardless of his college accolades, he was an OLD player to be drafted, probably the oldest QB ever drafted.

Not to mention the one thing that Delhomme has is some allusiveness, Weinke...not so much.

[pjfootballer]

Good signing for Carolina. They were screwed if Delhomme ever got hurt because Weinke was total garbage.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Carr is garbage. Beat out Delhomme? That's hilarious. I got this from a poster on foxsports.com and couldn't agree more. Anyone who watched Carr play last year knew the OL wasn't the problem.



I don't think Carr is very good. But I don't think Dehomme is very good either.

So, yea, I think one below average QB could beat out another below average QB.

[TheFan]

Having watched Carr repeatedly since the Texans signed him, I've got to agree with Hooper. Carr doesn't have it. Maybe he doesn't because he got pummelled so much early on. Carr doesn't read the defenses so he can't exploit them.

As far as gambles go, this isn't a bad one for Carolina but I don't think they've improved their team by signing him. I half expected Oakland to sign him.

TheFan