NFL Suspends Jones for Season Waka Waka Merged <.........

[flock53]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.

[we_want_56]

The kid can play but he has baggage I won't object one way or the other.

[SAli457180]

Taylor is not even in the same class as Jones. Jones is a true headcase and he isn't going to change no matter where he plays.

[U C S D SkinsFan]

i hope you're kidding...forget pacman's baggage, thats the worst trade proposal i have seen in awhile

[Major Harris]

i've said this in the 5 or 6 other pacman threads:


i was the biggest "draft pacman" advocate on this board. i wouldn't wish him on jerry jones at this point....ok, that's an exaggeration.

but until he shows that he knows how to be at least somewhat of a decent human being, this is a pretty stupid idea.

[flock53]

i hope you're kidding...forget pacman's baggage, thats the worst trade proposal i have seen in awhileWHY?????

[flock53]

i've said this in the 5 or 6 other pacman threads:


i was the biggest "draft pacman" advocate on this board. i wouldn't wish him on jerry jones at this point....ok, that's an exaggeration.

but until he shows that he knows how to be at least somewhat of a decent human being, this is a pretty stupid idea.Decent human beings dont = wins. AND hes WAYYYYY better than Dre Bly

[SkinsFTW]

Decent human beings dont = wins. AND hes WAYYYYY better than Dre Bly

And he will end up doing something else idiotic and likely banned from the league.

That would be the dumbest trade ever, even dumber than the Duckett the Bench Boy trade from last year.

[redman]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.

Do you always have conversations with yourself or have you just run out of medication today?

[TdD12fox]

Pacman is garbage. So we draft Taylor and then he gives us a little trouble but he has turned it around. Pacman has multiple problems and he wasn't with us to begin with so why get him when you know he is bad. Plus the proposal for the trade isn't even equal in value. I would rather trade with Denver and have them con us as apposed to a trade for Pacman.

[ceviker]

No New Threads for you.

[SkinsNoles21]

who is Rodgers?


Ohhhh, you mean carlos ROGERS....maybe we should focus on spelling our players names correctly before we go trading the bank for a guy who likes to hang out at strip joins and "make it rain."

[D'Pablo]

OMG, Pacman and ST getting together would be explosive. Gunpowder explosive. Literally.

[Siven]

i've said this in the 5 or 6 other pacman threads:


i was the biggest "draft pacman" advocate on this board. i wouldn't wish him on jerry jones at this point....ok, that's an exaggeration.

but until he shows that he knows how to be at least somewhat of a decent human being, this is a pretty stupid idea.

a WVU homer, is saying he wouldn't want his WVU boy on the Redskins. It doesn't get much worse then that.

[talk show host]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.

i would call you a name for someone who has no common sense, but that wouldnt be nice. please please please PLEASE tell me you were on drugs, alcohol, AND suffering from atleast 10 serious mental disorders when you decided to create this thread.

[JoeGibbsIsMyHero]

I live in nashville. I've met Pac Man. Trust me, you don't want him on our team.

[phishisthegreatstuff]

that trade proposal is trash...but i would think about doing pacman for springs strate up because hes younger and less expensive plus i think he will straighten out.

[JoeGibbsIsMyHero]

he won't and he's not even that good. i met him in person and he looks about 5 foot 7. he's a damn fool. worse than TO.

[Oldskool]

this thread and the idea posted within, smells like 4 day old fish.

[twenty-eight]

We need more thugs

[dreamingwolf]

is any team looking at pacman at this point? I think he needs to re-invent himself in a positive way.

[twenty-eight]

I really wish i could make the pacman sound:(:(:(

[Kosher Ham]

I really wish i could make the pacman sound:(:(:(

:doh: Maybe you can and you havent come out yet... :D


Back to topic.

The Titans may or may not try to unload Pacman, but realistically he wont get more than a 3rd rounder without another player even being involved.

That is part of the reason why people are saying it is a bad proposal.

The kid has talent, but he also has problems. Character issues, more than maybe any other player in the league.

Not only that but it may get to the point where trade isnt an option for the Titans and they just release him. Happened to TO and although a headcase in his own right, he certainly doesnt have pot-head questions lingering or any other off field issues.

Maybe for free, but certainly not for Springs or Rogers.

[lovetoaster]

I live in nashville. I've met Pac Man. Trust me, you don't want him on our team.

I just recently moved from Tennessee, and I met him too. I echo your sentiments. I could care less about people having the thug image, but it is only a matter of time before he is behind bars.

And going back to the original post...this just in, in my opinion, he is not as good of a cornerback as a lot of people make him out to be. He is a playmaker, no doubt about it, but he is a much better punt returner than he is a cornerback.

And by the way, saying he is "WAYYYYY" better than Dre Bly is a little far fetched. Bly is quite a playmaker himself, and I think he is a better overall cornerback. Bly has going into his ninth year in the league, and I will consider it a small miracle if Jones lasts that long. In two years, Jones has four interceptions and returned one for a touchdown. Bly has 33 picks in eight years and returned five for touchdowns. Um, I think Bly is pretty good.

[WHALEN]

Updated: March 1, 2007, 8:44 AM ET
Pacman faces obstruction charge in GeorgiaAssociated Press


NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones is scheduled to appear in court in Georgia later this month on obstruction charges from an incident with police last year, The Tennessean reported on its Web site Wednesday night.



Jones, who has been staying with family and friends near his hometown of Atlanta, was recently accused of being involved in a fight at a Las Vegas strip club that ended in the shootings of two bouncers and a customer. Police have not named any suspects in the case and no one has been charged.



Now Jones is scheduled to appear in Superior Court in Fayetteville, Ga., on subpoenas for felony and misdemeanor obstruction of justice charges for an incident outside a home in February 2006, The Tennessean reported. Jones owns a home in Fayetteville.



"One of our officers was involved in a traffic stop with him, and after Pacman and others ran into a home, there was a physical altercation between him and the officer, and he was involved in that. He was arrested for that," Police Chief Steve Heaton told the newspaper.



It wasn't immediately known why the charges weren't filed earlier.



The Tennessean also reported that Jones was arrested and charged with marijuana possession in the same county a month later, but the charges were later dismissed.



Worrick Robinson, one of Jones' attorneys, declined comment to the newspaper Wednesday night. Phone messages left late Wednesday night at the offices of Robinson and Atlanta attorney Manny Arora weren't immediately returned.




The alleged obstruction occurred one night in February when Jones and friends were sitting in a car outside a house around 1 a.m., Heaton said. Police had been monitoring the area for burglaries and when they approached the car there was a verbal confrontation. Jones wasn't suspected of being involved in any burglaries.



"The verbal altercation led to a physical confrontation and they ran into a home they were sitting outside of. We had to run in and get them and there was a physical confrontation with Pacman and he was charged with the felony obstruction," Heaton said. "We had to get physical with him and he got physical with us."



Including the most recently reported Georgia incidents, there have been 10 instances where Jones has gotten into trouble and the police have been involved. He has been arrested four times. Charges from a Nashville nightclub incident in July 2005 were dismissed in March 2006. A judge dismissed a simple assault charge against Jones for spitting on a woman on Feb. 1.



The Titans have said they are monitoring Jones' legal troubles, but have refused to comment on any of the allegations.
Hey but hes a great player who cares if he's a social retard <------ sarcasm

[NicholSkin]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd.

He's likely to go to prison and get suspended from the league.

No thanks.

[Chump Bailey]

Pass...




Oh, I wish I were an Oscar Mayer Weiner~
That is what I truly wish to be~
cause if i were a oscar mayer weiner~
everyone would be in love~
oh everyone would be in love~
everyone would be in love with me




http://www.footballguys.com/pacman.jpg

[G-Prime]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.

Taylor has kept his nose clean for nearly 2 years.. cmon get off it already.

[kingdaddy]

I started responding to this thread and then thought, why am I even responding to this idea. Any team that trades for Pacman deserves whatever trouble he gives them. Pass.

[majorhavoc]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.:laugh: :doh:

Sean Taylor is a Boy Scout compared to Pacman Jones.

[skinfan31]

Dude how do how compare Taylor to this piece of trash. You shouldn't be allowed to root for the skins with a thread like this.

[MartinC]

WHY?????

Well lests start with the very strong possibility that he is about to get hit with a major suspension from the NFL for failing to notify the Titans and the NFL about his arrest for a felony (including assulting a police officer) last year. He is also likely to get placed in the substance abuse programme for all the reports of his use of dope. Add to that he is also facing a trail which may lead to a possible jail term and other legal problems around his involvement with the incident with the strippers.

Apart from any moral or team chemistry arguments why on earth would you trade ANYTHING for a guy who may not be available to play at all next year?

Just say no.

[Santana_Fan]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.


I'm mad how everyone keeps getting on how Taylor pulled a gun on someone. The news said that it was two guys attempting to steal his ATV's, (now I'm not 100% sure, but I THINK that's what happened). What was he supposed to do? Bruce Lee them? :laugh: We all understand Sean Taylor is a monster on the field, BUT, off the football field, he is a normal human being just like the rest of us....which means of the average human nature.


Ok, most people would have most likely called the police, but at the exact point when it was happening, I mean I doubt that calling the police comes to mind, especially if you had something with you to take care of the situation. Now, if two people were trying to steal your ATV's or car, and you had a gun with you, would you honestly run back to call the police or just handle it right there? I mean some people just like handling their own situations, but most likely if you see someone trying to do that, you'd take action and rather handle it on your own if you have something that you know will back them off.


You do NOT have to be "thuggish" to react in that manner. I could even picture an old lady doing the same, I think some people just overreact, because of how bad Sean Taylor is on the field. It may have been bad that Sean did that, but you have to go through some type of experience to learn from it. I know he's learned now. The problem is when players/people make the same mistake, and didnt learn from it the first go around.

[wlbai]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.

JUST SAY NO to crack! :doh:

[SantanaMossIsMyHomeboy]

yea we should def trade our #6 from someone who is going to be kicked out of the league

[stwasm]

Oh, man! That was one of my favorite games growing up. I used to be sooooo good at it! Oh, wait a minute....

[Blue Collar Skins]

I make it rain money...oh wait...that's my money! I didn't say you could touch my money I threw up on stage a Strip Club with a girl dancing there! :silly:

[the krabber]

I know the cool thing is to hate on Pacman cuz he is an idiot. No denying that. And I sure as hell dont want him playin for the 'Skins at this point in his life.

However, I want the guy to be able to turn his life around. Even if he gets a year long suspension from the league and such and has to deal with all of his off-field issues, I want him to be able to learn from what he has done and turn his life around and become a good/great corner in the league.

[HapHaszard]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.
Pacman isn't going to be available, he has a date with the fayetteville GA Jail.

[hokie4redskins]

i've said this in the 5 or 6 other pacman threads:


i was the biggest "draft pacman" advocate on this board. i wouldn't wish him on jerry jones at this point....ok, that's an exaggeration.

but until he shows that he knows how to be at least somewhat of a decent human being, this is a pretty stupid idea.

Golly gee, Major. I was always under the impression WVU produced upstanding and squeaky clean citizens. RichRod, after all, never would've allowed bad characters in Morgantown, unlike evil incarnate, Frank Beamer. I wonder where I got that idea.

No way Joe Gibbs would pursue this ridiculous idea. Can we have some realistic debate?

[Rocky21]

Why start a new thread about trading for Pacman Jones? He'll probabaly be out of the league (possibly in prison) when the season starts anyhow. Hasn't this been discussed on this board ad nauseum?

[cp26allday]

Cocaine is a dangerous drug!

[Cdowwe]

Sorry, Pacman is poison and dont want him on our team. I dont think Gibbs does either.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I would take PacMan if I was not convinced that he was going to be playing in the Tennesse State Penal League next season.

Baggage does not concern me; 5-10 years does.

[SonnyRules]

NFW !!! ..........................

[Displaced Fan]

Too much off field vs on field performance-not a good trade

[cphil006]

no way. He won;t last more than one more season in this league. Not that good, and too much off field drama.

[WorldBFree76]

Screw him. No Pacman, please....he's going to be out of the league soon.

[ciacbw]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.

Sean Taylor was acquitted of his DUI charge and people stole his property. That is a far cry from what Pacman has done. Pacman is a complete wack job.

[cphil006]

I'm mad how everyone keeps getting on how Taylor pulled a gun on someone. The news said that it was two guys attempting to steal his ATV's, (now I'm not 100% sure, but I THINK that's what happened). What was he supposed to do? Bruce Lee them? :laugh: We all understand Sean Taylor is a monster on the field, BUT, off the football field, he is a normal human being just like the rest of us....which means of the average human nature.


"ALLEGEDLY" Taylor went after the guys AFTER they stole his ATVs. They said he pulled a gun on them. However, it was Taylor's Denali that was shot at later that night while it was parked at his mom's house. The men who accused him were all convicted felons.

Taylor is going to be alright. Stuff with him has been blown out of proportion.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

i dont remember taylor being involved in 10 cases in the past 2 years. he was involved in one, and it got dropped becuase the people charging him were 10x more thug than he could ever be. taylor is fine, pacman is gonna be worthless, and the titans might end up just outright cutting him. hopefully he goes to the bengals, he'd fit right in there.

[Smoot Point Really]

PacMan may be going to jail, not just kicked out of the NFL.

[Smoot Point Really]

i dont remember taylor being involved in 10 cases in the past 2 years. he was involved in one, and it got dropped becuase the people charging him were 10x more thug than he could ever be. taylor is fine, pacman is gonna be worthless, and the titans might end up just outright cutting him. hopefully he goes to the bengals, he'd fit right in there.

Actually, it's 10 "known" cases... We don't know how many other cases are waiting to surface.

[TheU2689]

you wanna trade our #6 and Springs, for PACMAN!!!!! no way. the kid can cover, but he cant takle or stay out of trouble so NO way

[Veretax]

we would be wasting our time doing this till we know if he's going to be tried on some of those cases. it does no good to trade for him if he's doing jail time, character issues or not.

[Gilgamesh]

Worst idea I've seen in some time. Nice drive-by posting btw...

[jrfriedm]

Pacman is going to be in prison for the next two or three seasons. I think I would pass.

[the krabber]

Do you think that signing Pacman would give B-Lloyd the street cred he desires for his next rap album?

[Portis4President]

How about we take Pacman for a while, and the Titans can pay us for babysitting.

[holcombskinsfan]

please WE need to stop making threads like this ... just what we need a looser that thinks he can do any thing he wanTs over the team ... GREAT THREAD BUD

[TheDane]

Stop the madness. Just stop, for ****'s sake.

I find it hard to even contemplate how anyone in their right mind would ever, ever want Pacman on this team.

[Santana_Fan]

Taylor is going to be alright. Stuff with him has been blown out of proportion.



Yea it really has been

[JKS1414]

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

Worst suggested trade EVER! You really think we need a guy of Pacman's character on this team? Gibbs would never stand for having him here.

[#21Taylor4Ever]

Could you imagine Pacman Jones in DC? You think he finds trouble in Tenn, you must not know DC.

I'll stick with character guys thank you!

[Veretax]

I think most of his troubles have been outside of TN but I could be mistaken

[the krabber]

I think most of his troubles have been outside of TN but I could be mistaken
Mostly the Atlanta area, plus the recent one in Vegas.

He seems to live a clean life during the season in Nashville, but when he goes home, he reverts into thug life that makes the news.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

i can just hear gibbs defending pacman at one of his awful pressers:

"pacman is uh......well hes uh.....heckuva......gee golly gosh i just cant say it huh huh huh, but we really love the guy."

[Mattskins83]

The kid can play but he has baggage I won't object one way or the other.

The kid? Arent you 18?

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I wouldn't even trade Mike Rumph and Kenny Wright for that piece of garbage. He's accused of beating some stripper in Vegas. What a great guy.

[tone_dubbz]

I wouldn't take Pacman. He's magnet for trouble.

[XxSpearheadxX]

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

Ow, I broke my wookie.

[Major Harris]

Golly gee, Major. I was always under the impression WVU produced upstanding and squeaky clean citizens. RichRod, after all, never would've allowed bad characters in Morgantown, unlike evil incarnate, Frank Beamer. I wonder where I got that idea.

No way Joe Gibbs would pursue this ridiculous idea. Can we have some realistic debate?


can you save it for the ncaa forum please? at least there i can point out what an idiot you are for not realizing the difference between being given 5 chances before your coach lets you go and getting in trouble AFTER you leave school. oops.


Decent human beings dont = wins.


neither do guys holding soap on a rope.

[Bang]

Since his being drafted Pacman has had ten separate run ins with the law, each more progressively serious than the last.
He's gone from beating women to now being linked in a triple shooting, is currently on trial in Georgia for felony obstruction, AND if that wasn't bad enough, a drug dealer got arrested in Tennessee, and his confiscated answering machine has incriminating evidence regarding Pacman Jones all over it.

"OHH," according to the original post "He's got BAGGAGE".
Baggage is a DUI or a domestic arrest, maybe a misdemeanor here and there.
Pacman, he's got felonies that keep adding up. It's likely only a matter of time before his ass is out of the league and in federal penitentiary.

I have an idea,, let's package up our first rounder, and trade it to Carolina for their first, maybe a 2nd or 3rd, and Rae Carruth.
I hear with good behavior, he might be able to play again one day.

~Bang

[Santana_Fan]

Could you imagine Pacman Jones in DC? You think he finds trouble in Tenn, you must not know DC.

I'll stick with character guys thank you!


Exactly :laugh:

[Veretax]

can you save it for the ncaa forum please? at least there i can point out what an idiot you are for not realizing the difference between being given 5 chances before your coach lets you go and getting in trouble AFTER you leave school. oops.





neither do guys holding soap on a rope.

I must have missed that part, I think he has Pac Man confused with Chris Henry though

[Coopskin]

I think this is one of the stupidest post i ever saw.I hope this is a joke.

[RedskinsAAFJ]

what up fam? long time no see, 4 real. It's all good though. 4sho.
Listen. Pacman would be a steal foreal if we trade Spirngs and our #6 to get him. So what if my man Pacman kept it real in that club. My man Pacman was holdin it down...on the field this cat is a BEAST. Pacman would get AT LEAST 10 Ints maybe even more or less. Put him AND Ranal El back there returning punts. What? The D won't know who to stop. Ya heard? This must go down, I'm telling you. One.

[pjfootballer]

wacka, wacka, wacka, wacka, Beeeerrrrppp!! GAME OVER Pacman.!!!!

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

what up fam? long time no see, 4 real. It's all good though. 4sho.
Listen. Pacman would be a steal foreal if we trade Spirngs and our #6 to get him. So what if my man Pacman kept it real in that club. My man Pacman was holdin it down...on the field this cat is a BEAST. Pacman would get AT LEAST 10 Ints maybe even more or less. Put him AND Ranal El back there returning punts. What? The D won't know who to stop. Ya heard? This must go down, I'm telling you. One.



wow haha

[RedskinsAAFJ]

wacka, wacka, wacka, wacka, Beeeerrrrppp!! GAME OVER Pacman.!!!!

That's what I'm saying, Main! Game over, set and match, check and mate if we get PAcman. Holla atcha Boi.

[DRSmith]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.

Trade Carlos???????!

[Major Harris]

what up fam? long time no see, 4 real. It's all good though. 4sho.
Listen. Pacman would be a steal foreal if we trade Spirngs and our #6 to get him. So what if my man Pacman kept it real in that club. My man Pacman was holdin it down...on the field this cat is a BEAST. Pacman would get AT LEAST 10 Ints maybe even more or less. Put him AND Ranal El back there returning punts. What? The D won't know who to stop. Ya heard? This must go down, I'm telling you. One.
http://www.eventsounds.com/wav/jive.wav

[the krabber]

Trade Carlos???????!
He wants to trade Carlos RoDgers. Not sure who he is, but he wants to trade him.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

horrible idea. yes, taylor has SOME baggage, but nothing compared to the UPS delivery truck of Pacman baggage. and while Taylor's baggage appears to be fading in the rearview mirror, Pacman's baggage is riding right along with you in the shotgun seat, rollin' a fatty and loadin' his .45

terrible.

[jrfriedm]

I can't believe that this thread is still going on. :doh:

If there was ever a thread that needed to just be left a lone to die, it's this one.

[Flycoach]

Not bad, but if Springs is part of the deal, then, using the TradeValue chart a lot of NFL teams use ( http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6330687 ), they'd have to throw in both their 2nd and 3rd round picks (6th pick = 1600 points, Tennessee's 19th pick = 875, 2nd round pick [#50 overall] = 400, 3rd round pick [80th overall] = 190. Total of 1465 points. The difference in age/ability between Jones and Springs makes up the difference).

[Flycoach]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.

That's why this is a Forum - so that, for the most part, no matter what you want to talk about you can. If you don't like it, move on.

[the krabber]

I can't believe that this thread is still going on. :doh:

If there was ever a thread that needed to just be left a lone to die, it's this one.
I, the krabber, do solemnly swear that no matter how inane a post is or how much I disagree with what is said, I will no longer post in this thread.

[adamyesme1111]

Adam Jones is that you?? Your not better then Dre Bly buddy, and there is no way your coming to Washington if your trying to fool us into an idiotic trade proposal!! :silly:

[pjfootballer]

http://www.eventsounds.com/wav/jive.wav

Great sound effect. Can you find one with the Pacman sounds and getting caught by the ghosts?

[Major Harris]

i, major harris, do laugh at the irony of guys that wonder aloud at how a thread is still going, and bumping it to the top in the process. ;)

[Slateman]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.
Taylor pointed a gun at someone in the state of Florida who was trying to rob him.

Slightly different from Pacman. Technically, what Taylor did was legal . . .

I don't want Pacman. Too many off-field issues.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.


I agree, that dude is a beast. I think our coaching and players can possibly sway him out of those ways. And he's still young. I heard he's had 10 incidents involving the police, since he's been drafted.

[Major Harris]

Great sound effect. Can you find one with the Pacman sounds and getting caught by the ghosts?
not sure how long this will stay up...

http://wavsource.easycgi.com/snds_2007-03-10_1647952372977962/sfx/pacman_x.wav

[Flycoach]

Not bad, but if Springs is part of the deal, then, using the TradeValue chart a lot of NFL teams use ( http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6330687 ), they'd have to throw in both their 2nd and 3rd round picks (6th pick = 1600 points, Tennessee's 19th pick = 875, 2nd round pick [#50 overall] = 400, 3rd round pick [80th overall] = 190. Total of 1465 points. The difference in age/ability between Jones and Springs makes up the difference).

[Monkart]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've read in a long time!! :doh:

[bricucci]

Why don't we go get Randy Moss and Chris Henry while were at it. Maybe we can package a trade for Tank Johnson. As a WVU grad and fan, there is a reason we didn't want Jones or Henry back for their senior years, No Thanks!

[Passizle]

OMG, Pacman and ST getting together would be explosive. Gunpowder explosive. Literally.

Yeah! Just like AA and ST were supposed to be "lethal weapons" of last year:doh:

[pjfootballer]

not sure how long this will stay up...

http://wavsource.easycgi.com/snds_2007-03-10_1647952372977962/sfx/pacman_x.wav


:applause: Perfect, just perfect!!! :applause: :applause:

[Flycoach]

Not bad, but if Springs is part of the deal, then, using the TradeValue chart a lot of NFL teams use ( http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6330687 ), they'd have to throw in both their 2nd and 3rd round picks (6th pick = 1600 points, Tennessee's 19th pick = 875, 2nd round pick [#50 overall] = 400, 3rd round pick [80th overall] = 190. Total of 1465 points. The difference in age/ability between Jones and Springs makes up the difference).

[lovetoaster]

I think Rae Carruth is coming up for parole soon, let's sign him too...he has mad wheelz.:movefast:

He is a whole lot better than Brandon Lloyd, he is the worst receiver in the history of organized football.

[21Knock_U_Out]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.
Im calling :bsflag: on this :jerk:

[cmorina69]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.


This is one of the worst thread ideas i have ever come across, why in the world we want him?

[dinzelwashington]

umm, if ur a coach, GM owner, would u even want him on the team. he causes too much attention in criminal in law. lets take 75000 dollars to a strip club and show it off to the strippers. and then the owners takes the baggage and your friends shoots him paralyzing him. man thats pretty aweful. remember gibbs is all about class. aweful trade proposal

[flock53]

who is Rodgers?


Ohhhh, you mean carlos ROGERS....maybe we should focus on spelling our players names correctly before we go trading the bank for a guy who likes to hang out at strip joins and "make it rain.""strip joins", your spelling is JUST as bad. Rogers, Rodgers big deal, a misspelling isnt worth a stupid reply, especially when you misspell a word. After the season that sorry ass had, he should change his name.

[flock53]

I'm mad how everyone keeps getting on how Taylor pulled a gun on someone. The news said that it was two guys attempting to steal his ATV's, (now I'm not 100% sure, but I THINK that's what happened). What was he supposed to do? Bruce Lee them? :laugh: We all understand Sean Taylor is a monster on the field, BUT, off the football field, he is a normal human being just like the rest of us....which means of the average human nature.


Ok, most people would have most likely called the police, but at the exact point when it was happening, I mean I doubt that calling the police comes to mind, especially if you had something with you to take care of the situation. Now, if two people were trying to steal your ATV's or car, and you had a gun with you, would you honestly run back to call the police or just handle it right there? I mean some people just like handling their own situations, but most likely if you see someone trying to do that, you'd take action and rather handle it on your own if you have something that you know will back them off.


You do NOT have to be "thuggish" to react in that manner. I could even picture an old lady doing the same, I think some people just overreact, because of how bad Sean Taylor is on the field. It may have been bad that Sean did that, but you have to go through some type of experience to learn from it. I know he's learned now. The problem is when players/people make the same mistake, and didnt learn from it the first go around.Damn, If I had all his $$$, I WOULD call the police, report to the insurance companyand if they werent recovered, go buy some more. I am an advocate of your right to bear arms, and if someone ENTERS my house, watch out.Im glad he didnt shoot and kill them over things that can be replaced.

[feeshta]

Should we trade Springs and the #6 overall pick for Pacman Jones and a second or third round pick?

There is a one word answer to that question.

Moron!

That is all.

[flock53]

Should we trade Springs and the #6 overall pick for Pacman Jones and a second or third round pick?

There is a one word answer to that question.

Moron!

That is all.Your the MORON, I think it said Pacman, 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders

[lovetoaster]

Ahh, a pissing match and name calling, that is one way to get this thread closed for good. Please keep it up!

[bigalchap]

no way would gibbs choose this guy. if you remember he chose Rodgers over him in the darft. think some of that history was uncovered then. he is better than Rodgers, but who knows if this guy is going to play again, too much baggage.

[TNSkinsFan]

Look, I know this is ridiculous, but why would any team want a guy who actually calls himself "Pacman"?

[Taylor 36]

i hope you're kidding...forget pacman's baggage, thats the worst trade proposal i have seen in awhile

:laugh: True. And, comparing Taylor and Pacman is one of the most ignorant things I've seen posted in awhile.

[graniteFallsNCskins]

ST is a saint compared to this joke.When you meet Sean at signings he's very will mannered kid.However,i would love to see you say that to his face.:laugh:

[JetSkins]

hes gonna end up in prison soon anyway

[Taylor 36]

Look, I know this is ridiculous, but why would any team want a guy who actually calls himself "Pacman"? Yeah, other than the Packers, no one would want this fool.

[RedskinsAAFJ]

Should we trade Springs and the #6 overall pick for Pacman Jones and a second or third round pick?

There is a one word answer to that question.

Moron!

That is all.

Man why you hatin, cuz? This is a good deal fo sho. We would be dumb to pass this up. I don't care Shawn Springs is a has-been, AND we would be getting like 2 players in 1 if we got Pacman. A shut down corner AND a return man. Y'all remember primetime Deion Sanders? That dude was off the chain and that's who Pacman be. So we dump Springs and our #6, get a shut down corner, punt returner, plus we still get a #2 and maybe #3. That right there is a deal, cuz. If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you fo real. Holla back.

[Bleed Burgandy and Gold]

If the Skins were offered Pac Man, along with their 1st, and a second round pick, with springs and our number 6 id do that in a hearbeat. The guy who said Pac man may never play again must be on something because the kid has got TONS of potential and we already seen alot of his talent. So what if he has baggage. We would have two young solid corners for a pretty long time to go along with smoot as our 3rd and our db core would be nasty. Then at 19 we would be able to pick up a guy like Anthony Spencer, or Jarvis Moss as well as being able to pick up a DT like Quin Pitcock in the 2nd round. I believe this would make us much more solid overall as we basically fill almost every hole we have except for Safety.

Also remember that our return game would be the best in the league. Pairing randel el along with pacman sounds pretty good to me. But then again I really don't see the Skins doing this, but I would not be dissapointed if they did this either.

[Taylor 36]

If the Skins were offered Pac Man, along with their 1st, and a second round pick, with springs and our number 6 id do that in a hearbeat. The guy who said Pac man may never play again must be on something because the kid has got TONS of potential and we already seen alot of his talent. So what if he has baggage. We would have two young solid corners for a pretty long time to go along with smoot as our 3rd and our db core would be nasty. Then at 19 we would be able to pick up a guy like Anthony Spencer, or Jarvis Moss as well as being able to pick up a DT like Quin Pitcock in the 2nd round. I believe this would make us much more solid overall as we basically fill almost every hole we have except for Safety.

Also remember that our return game would be the best in the league. Pairing randel el along with pacman sounds pretty good to me. But then again I really don't see the Skins doing this, but I would not be dissapointed if they did this either.

The guy who said that said it because the Titans may get rid of him and the league may suspend him for life. His potential has nothing to do with it, and right now the only potential he has shown is the potential to be killed or in prison before training camp.

[lovetoaster]

I really am starting to believe that some people on this board are insane.

[Bleed Burgandy and Gold]

The media said all of that stuff about ray lewis, and even our own sean taylor. Jamal Lewis sat out for 4 gamesfor repeated substance abuse. I know pacman is pressing his luck,but I guarentee you that pacman plays in the NFL next year. Whether it is with the Titans or not remains to be seen. The NFL isnt gonna suspend this guy for life unless he kills somebody.... ::knocks on wood::

[Jett]

Do we get our #6 pick back if Pacman goes to prison?

[Bleed Burgandy and Gold]

Oh and also I just want to add that Im sorry if I want an upgrade at CB on our team. pacman is very young, and could turn his life around. I mean the guy is only 24, and he did have off the field issues, but when he was on the field he made a pretty big impact. Id take him over springs any day. Alot of you guys are all about "good character guys" like joe gibbs. Im all for that, but I also like talent, and id also like to win. Sometimes id rather take some thugs with alot of talent then good character guys who are just mediocre

[DiscoBob]

Pacman's gonna end up in jail and become Mrs. Pacman.......steer clear

[Friend of the Devil]

hmmm.... :doh:

[XxSpearheadxX]

Tank Johnson just got sentenced to 120 days in jail!!!

Quick, I smell a 3 way trade for Pacman and Tank Johnson! All our dreams have come true.

[CustomApparelDirect]

If The TITANS do CUT CB Adam 'Pac-Man' JONES, then I think The REDSKINS should give him a 'shot' (i.e.: "Incentive-Laden, Back-Loaded, Moral Turpitude Clause-Secured, 1-Year/with Multi-Year Options for 'GOOD Behavior'Contract)!?! :applause: :cheers: :2cents: :logo:

[chaught76]

I know, while we are at it, let's hire Bill Romanowski to be our new lead trainer for player development: "Steroids, get your new undetectable steroids here!".

Seriously though, don't you think our team has enough issues to fix right now?

Wait, what is that sound? I think I just heard George Allen roll-over in his grave.

[RedskinsAAFJ]

Haaa I know you jokin right, but on the real, we could use someone like Romanowski to get our D fired up. That dude was INSANE 4 real. At home games our stadium gets the team fired up but on the road, maaan it be looking like our team didn't get enough sleep the night before or something cause they be draggin 4real. All I'm saying is bring the heat back. Feel me? One.

[Bliz]

Oh and also I just want to add that Im sorry if I want an upgrade at CB on our team. pacman is very young, and could turn his life around. I mean the guy is only 24, and he did have off the field issues, but when he was on the field he made a pretty big impact. Id take him over springs any day. Alot of you guys are all about "good character guys" like joe gibbs. Im all for that, but I also like talent, and id also like to win. Sometimes id rather take some thugs with alot of talent then good character guys who are just mediocre

Would you rather have a thug with a lot of talent who's banned from the NFL for a year, or a good character guy who is just mediocre that can actually play for the team?

[pjfootballer]

Oh and also I just want to add that Im sorry if I want an upgrade at CB on our team. pacman is very young, and could turn his life around. I mean the guy is only 24, and he did have off the field issues, but when he was on the field he made a pretty big impact. Id take him over springs any day. Alot of you guys are all about "good character guys" like joe gibbs. Im all for that, but I also like talent, and id also like to win. Sometimes id rather take some thugs with alot of talent then good character guys who are just mediocre

one or two indescretions I can live with. Not 10!!!!

[LoudMouth12thMan]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.
If you were trying to rob me (or had) you'd have a gun pointed at you too. I might even pistol whip you...hypothetically speaking of course :) :D You crazy yo' 1 star for you :)
HTTR

[xX2PORTIS6Xx]

How Bout tradin #6 and Springs (or Rodgers) for Pacman, #19 and their 2nd or 3rd. OHHHH let me guess, to much THUG and bagage. If thats the case we need to let go Taylor, who likes to point guns at people too. AND everyone else w/ DUIs. PacMan is awesome at CB and at returning kicks.are you drunk?

[gutlead74]

pacman is total scum. get it out of your mind

[SkinsFanAnt]

:doh:












:doh:










please let the offseason be over......plz

[JimmiJo]

Oh and also I just want to add that Im sorry if I want an upgrade at CB on our team. pacman is very young, and could turn his life around. I mean the guy is only 24, and he did have off the field issues, but when he was on the field he made a pretty big impact. Id take him over springs any day. Alot of you guys are all about "good character guys" like joe gibbs. Im all for that, but I also like talent, and id also like to win. Sometimes id rather take some thugs with alot of talent then good character guys who are just mediocre

Wait, let me think......no.

[Gilgamesh]

Oh and also I just want to add that Im sorry if I want an upgrade at CB on our team. pacman is very young, and could turn his life around. I mean the guy is only 24, and he did have off the field issues, but when he was on the field he made a pretty big impact. Id take him over springs any day. Alot of you guys are all about "good character guys" like joe gibbs. Im all for that, but I also like talent, and id also like to win. Sometimes id rather take some thugs with alot of talent then good character guys who are just mediocre Man, just quit digging. The hole is deep enough already...

[Skins_Slave]

Adam Jones, Right now i dont think anyone in their right mind wants him on their team. Only way i would take him is if he cleaned his act up and started walking the strait and narrow. Atheletes who take advantage of what they have and use it for the wrong reasons deserve their fate, unless your a Cowboy "insert any name here" Michael White Powder Irvin. Wow... If your a cowboy you get away with murder.

[909997]

wow this is the worst trade i have ever seen

[ClintonINFORSIX26]

PAcman Jones suspended the entire 2007 NFL season saw it across the bottom on ESPN news

[roqnap1]

From the sounds of it....he'll be behind bars anyway.

[bubba9497]

Game over for Pacman


NEW YORK (AP) - The NFL has handed down its punishment and Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones will sit out the 2007 season.

Roger Goodell has informed Jones that he's being suspended without pay for violating the league's personal conduct policy and engaging in conduct detrimental to the league. The league also announced Chris Henry of Cincinnati is suspended for eight games.

The commissioner made his decision after reviewing the cases under the NFL's previous personal conduct policy and his longstanding authority to discipline for conduct detrimental to the NFL.

MORE TO COME

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6665234

[ClintonINFORSIX26]

Being involved in 10 different incidents with the law...he really deserved it

[Oldskool]

If Chris Henry gets anything less than this, than there is some double standard going on.

[CPortJGibbs89]

Wow I knew they would suspend him a few games but the whole season wow!!. Good for the league, this guy has had about 10 run ins with the law in the past like year. Its time some of these guys find out there not above the law and they will be punished. I guess he wont be making in rain anytime soon huh..

[ntotoro]

Veteran minimum, plus incentives... :paranoid:

[macnoke03]

If Chris Henry gets anything less than this, than there is some double standard going on.

Chris Henry got 8 games.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

henry 8 games is pretty harsh. pacman is 10x worse. at least henry's crimes are funny, drinking with underage girls is hardly something to be banned half the season for. pacman is involved in numerous shooting incidents and has assaulted something like 2 women? dude is a scumbag. lol at the titans.

[Stophovr6]

AWESOME!

I hope this scares other players into behaving like adults.

[macnoke03]

These two guys are nothing but thugs in every sense of the word, especially Jones. It's people like him that make me sick. He gets to the NFL and gets a bunch of money and thinks he can act like a total ***. Kudos to Goodell for kicking him out for a year (although I think it should be more, but that wasn't going to happen)

[stwasm]

henry 8 games is pretty harsh. pacman is 10x worse. at least henry's crimes are funny, drinking with underage girls is hardly something to be banned half the season for. pacman is involved in numerous shooting incidents and has assaulted something like 2 women? dude is a scumbag. lol at the titans.

Henry did more than just drink with underage girls, although that was the big crime. Good for the league for establishing a zero-tolerance policy for such reckless behavior.

[JPM285181]

If this is an example of things to come, Cincy may not field a team.

[Oldskool]

Chris Henry got 8 games.

Where did you get that info? Have a link?

Latest is:

Bengals | Henry decision expected soon
Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:44:23 -0700

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports the agent for Cincinnati Bengals WR Chris Henry, Marvin Frazier, said the wide receiver should learn late Tuesday, April 10, or Wednesday, April 11, whether he will be suspended by the NFL.

[Stophovr6]

These two guys are nothing but thugs in every sense of the word, especially Jones. It's people like him that make me sick. He gets to the NFL and gets a bunch of money and thinks he can act like a total ***. Kudos to Goodell for kicking him out for a year (although I think it should be more, but that wasn't going to happen)

Either way, a year is a long time for him to think about his actions. If he proceeds to be a dumbass thug during that time and gets into more trouble, rest assured he won't be let back into the leaugue. If he cleans up his act and shoots the straight and narrow, let him back in.

[SHYSTER411]

Veteran minimum, plus incentives... :paranoid:

:laugh: thats funny.

[SHYSTER411]

Where did you get that info? Have a link?

Latest is:

Bengals | Henry decision expected soon
Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:44:23 -0700

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports the agent for Cincinnati Bengals WR Chris Henry, Marvin Frazier, said the wide receiver should learn late Tuesday, April 10, or Wednesday, April 11, whether he will be suspended by the NFL.

http://nfl.com/news/story/10119161

[Veretax]

This won't stop anything 8 and 16 games is far too much. when you figure that this is these guys livelihoods.

[JetSkins]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2832015

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell handed out the first suspensions under his discipline policy, banning Adam "Pacman" Jones for the entire 2007 season and Chris Henry for eight regular-season games.

The two players are suspended without pay for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy and engaging in conduct detrimental to the league on numerous occasions, the NFL announced.

After they serve their suspensions, each player must apply for reinstatement.

"We must protect the integrity of the NFL," Goodell said. "The highest standards of conduct must be met by everyone in the NFL because it is a privilege to represent the NFL, not a right. These players, and all members of our league, have to make the right choices and decisions in their conduct on a consistent basis."

[bubba9497]

NFL suspends Pacman Jones, Bengals' Henry
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10119161


(April 10, 2007) -- NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has informed Adam Jones of the Tennessee Titans and Chris Henry of the Cincinnati Bengals that they have been suspended without pay for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy and engaging in conduct detrimental to the league on numerous occasions, the NFL announced.

Jones was suspended for the 2007 season, while Henry was suspended for the first eight games of the 2007 regular season. Each player must earn the right to be reinstated.

"We must protect the integrity of the NFL," Commissioner Goodell said. "The highest standards of conduct must be met by everyone in the NFL because it is a privilege to represent the NFL, not a right. These players, and all members of our league, have to make the right choices and decisions in their conduct on a consistent basis."

In a letter to each player, Commissioner Goodell wrote: "Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league. You have put in jeopardy an otherwise promising NFL career, and have risked both your own safety and the safety of others through your off-field actions. In each of these respects, you have engaged in conduct detrimental to the NFL and failed to live up to the standards expected of NFL players. Taken as a whole, this conduct warrants significant sanction."

Jones will be strictly monitored by the Titans and the NFL during the suspension as part of his opportunity to earn reinstatement through adherence to a set of conditions. His status will be reviewed after the Titans' 10th regular-season game to determine the extent to which he has complied with the conditions and whether the suspension should be affected by the disposition of any pending or prospective charges.

The specific conditions that apply to Jones' suspension include the following:

* He must have no further adverse involvement with law enforcement.
* He must fully cooperate with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned under league or court-ordered programs.
* He must adhere to the restrictions on his activities that have been agreed to by he and the Titans.
* He may not be at the Titans' facility through May 31 and may not participate in any practices or organized workouts during the term of the suspension. Beginning June 1, he must visit the team facility once each week to meet with the team's player development director. Also, beginning June 1, he is permitted to spend one day a week at the team facility for conditioning, film study, and other similar activities.
* In conjunction with the team's player development director and other professionals working with him, Jones must develop with the Titans a structured program of community service or other activity. This program must be submitted to the league office for review and approval.

Henry will be reinstated after the Bengals' eighth regular-season game if he meets certain conditions during his suspension that will be monitored closely by the Bengals and the NFL. Those conditions include the following:

* He must have no further adverse involvement with law enforcement.
* He must fully cooperate with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned to him under league programs.
* He is eligible to be at the Bengals' facilities during the rest of the offseason for customary activities and he must meet weekly with the team's player development director.
* If he fully complies with all other conditions, he may participate in the Bengals' training camp and preseason games.
* During the regular season, he is permitted to be at the Bengals' facility for team meetings and must meet weekly with the team's player development director, but he may not attend or participate in practice.
* He must fully comply with all conditions imposed on him by any court, including requirements of community service.

Jones and Henry were told that any failure to comply with these conditions will result in additional discipline, including possible banishment from the league.

"I must emphasize to you that this is your last opportunity to salvage your NFL career," Commissioner Goodell wrote to Jones and Henry. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you in that effort."

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Henry did more than just drink with underage girls, although that was the big crime. Good for the league for establishing a zero-tolerance policy for such reckless behavior.



he had was drinking with 3 underage girls, and henry is like 22, not a big deal, this happens every weekend with millions of people. he should be punished for drunk driving and having a gun, i just think half a season is harsh, but maybe theyre using him as an example, and if thats the case, rightly so. albert haynesworth got less for assaulting a player on the field with metal cleats to the face, something just doesnt add up with that one.

[OWUeagleMD]

I wonder what he'll spend his time on for the next 12 months, especially if the ruling is the same as a player suspended for alcohol abuse, in which they aren't allowed any contact with the organization.

If the NFL plans to hand out suspensions like this, they need also to ammend their policy on player contact with the organization during the suspension.

[FtheCowboys84]

Maybe this will keep teams from drafting rookies with proven attitude/behavior issues. Weed them out and give the big bucks to the guys who will actually be a good representative for the team and community. Talent only goes so far when youre playing madden instead of on the field on sundays.

[TXREDSKINS44]

Where did you get that info? Have a link?

Latest is:

Bengals | Henry decision expected soon
Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:44:23 -0700

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports the agent for Cincinnati Bengals WR Chris Henry, Marvin Frazier, said the wide receiver should learn late Tuesday, April 10, or Wednesday, April 11, whether he will be suspended by the NFL.

It's also being reported on NFL Network that he will be suspended for the first 8 games.

[Stophovr6]

This won't stop anything 8 and 16 games is far too much. when you figure that this is these guys livelihoods.

What?

They should of thought of that before doing what they did. Oh and btw they went to college. So unless they didn't do any work, which wouldn't surprise me, they should have something to fall back on.

These guys took their "livelhoods" for granted and derserve punishment like anyone else would.

[Chump Bailey]

Veteran minimum, plus incentives... :paranoid:


:laugh:

[macnoke03]

This won't stop anything 8 and 16 games is far too much. when you figure that this is these guys livelihoods.


tough :pooh: ! Maybe they should have thought about that before they CONTINUOSLY acted like a bunch of jerks.

If you were doing something illegal to your employer do you expect them to not take any action because your job is your livelihood?

[ConcordNCSkinsFan]

The bad thing for Pacman and Henry is that they can't go crying to the Players Union because it was the union that pushed the effort to punish off the field trouble more severely. The good guys that play in the NFL are tired of being lumped in with Players like Jones and Henry.

[Oldskool]

It's also being reported on NFL Network that he will be suspended for the first 8 games.


That's pretty weak. :mad:

[Drex]

The NFL had to set a precedent and I commend them for doing so. Guys like Pac-Man and Henry who consistently get into trouble with the law need to learn their lesson and the best way to teach them this lesson is to suspend them.

The right to play in the NFL isn't just a reward for god-given athletic ability and hardwork: it is a privilege.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Not that he doesn't deserve it, but if the Union goes along with this, it should immediately be disbanded.

[Diggs43]

If this is an example of things to come, Cincy may not field a team.

hahaha ur prolly right!!!

[hokie4redskins]

Good riddance.

[McMetal]

Not that he doesn't deserve it, but if the Union goes along with this, it should immediately be disbanded.

Oh, I wouldn't worry about that. They will protest this for sure.

The problem is, they won't understand that 99% of the general public and their fanbase (Titans fans excluded) support the penalty in this case.

They're going to be on the wrong end of a public relations nightmare.

Too bad they won't go after their own rotten apples the way they went after the Postons.

[hokie4redskins]

What?

They should of thought of that before doing what they did. Oh and btw they went to college.

They went to WVU. I would use the term "college" loosely.

[JohnnyUtah]

:helmet: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2832015 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2832015)

Goodell suspends Pacman, Henry for arrests


Adam "Pacman" Jones (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7182) of Tennessee was suspended Tuesday for the 2007 NFL season and Chris Henry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7259) of Cincinnati received an eight-game suspension -- both for numerous violations of the NFL's personal conduct policy.

The two players are suspended without pay, the NFL announced. Jones will lose $1,292,500 -- his 2007 base salary -- as a result of the suspension. Henry will lose $204,705.88 in salary if the Bengals' bye week is after Week 8. He will lose $230,294.12 if the Bengals' bye week falls in the first eight weeks of the season, meaning he will miss nine weeks of pay.

After they serve their suspensions, each player must apply for reinstatement.

"We must protect the integrity of the NFL," commissioner Roger Goodell said. "The highest standards of conduct must be met by everyone in the NFL because it is a privilege to represent the NFL, not a right. These players, and all members of our league, have to make the right choices and decisions in their conduct on a consistent basis."

In a letter to each player, Goodell wrote: "Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league. You have put in jeopardy an otherwise promising NFL career, and have risked both your own safety and the safety of others through your off-field actions. In each of these respects, you have engaged in conduct detrimental to the NFL and failed to live up to the standards expected of NFL players. Taken as a whole, this conduct warrants significant sanction."

Jones' off-field conduct has included 10 incidents where he was interviewed by police. The most recent took place in Las Vegas during the NBA All-Star weekend. Las Vegas police have recommended felony and misdemeanor charges against Jones after a fight and shooting at a strip club that paralyzed one man.

Henry was arrested four times in a 14-month span, resulting in two benchings by coach Marvin Lewis and a two-game league suspension. He was one of nine Bengals arrested in nine months.



Jones' suspension carries the following conditions:



• He must have no more run-in with law enforcement.

• He must comply with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned by the NFL or the judicial system.

• He must obey the restrictions that have been agreed to by he and the Titans.



• He may not be at the Titans' facility through May 31 and may not participate in any practices or workouts during his suspension. Starting June 1, he must visit the team facility once per week to meet with the team's player development director. Also, beginning June 1, he is permitted to spend one day a week at the team facility for conditioning, film study, and other activities.

• In conjunction with the Titans, Jones must develop a structured program of community service or other activity. This program must be submitted to the NFL for approval. Henry will be reinstated after the Bengals' eighth regular-season game if he meets the following conditions:



• He must have no more run-in with law enforcement.



• He must comply with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned by the NFL or the judicial system.



• He is allowed to be at the Bengals' facilities during the rest of the offseason and he must meet weekly with the team's player development director.



• If he fully complies with all conditions, he may participate in the training camp and Bengals preseason games.



• During the 2007 season, he must meet weekly with the team's player development director, but he may not attend or participate in practice.



• He must fully comply with all conditions imposed on him by any court, including requirements of community service.

If Jones and Henry do not fully comply with these conditions, they could be permanently banished from the NFL. "I must emphasize to you that this is your last opportunity to salvage your NFL career," Goodell wrote to the players. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you in that effort."




While I doubt that this has any effect whatsoever on the Redskins, especially since we don't really have any off-the-field problems players, I was curious to see what everyone's opinion is regarding the suspensions? Do people agree with the new no-tolerance stance that the NFL is taking, or is this too harsh of a punishment? What do you think would happen if Taylor's arrest/trial were to happen now?

Just curious to see everyone's opinion

[SonnyRules]

Finally somebody finally had the backbone to stand up to these thugs. I don't care if they never see another down in the NFL.

[RabidFan]

Sweet...its about time.

[Griff]

I hope this sends a message to other NFL players, who put themselves in bad situations, they are accountable for there actions.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Oh, I wouldn't worry about that. They will protest this for sure.

The problem is, they won't understand that 99% of the general public and their fanbase (Titans fans excluded) support the penalty in this case.

They're going to be on the wrong end of a public relations nightmare.

Too bad they won't go after their own rotten apples the way they went after the Postons.

I just don't understand how they can cede power to Goddell to unilaterally suspend players for whatever he wants. Unless I am missing some little known rule that grants the power sweeping powers to discipline players, this just strikes me as a power grab by the commish.

I would have no issue with this if the Union and the NFL agreed to some sort of code of conduct, but this is generally saying, "We don't have a rule for this sort of thing, but to hell with it, I'm suspending you!"

Yes, the union would likely face a PR backlash, but that's the risk you have to take to protect your membership.

[SHYSTER411]

Just to let you know people are already discussing this in the Around the NFL forum if you want to jump into it in there and ask that question about Taylor.

[JohnnyUtah]

Just to let you know people are already discussing this in the Around the NFL forum if you want to jump into it in there and ask that question about Taylor.


Hey, thanks...I didn't even think about going in there. I appreciate it.

[bubba9497]

Just to let you know people are already discussing this in the Around the NFL forum


yep

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=195488

[JohnnyUtah]

henry 8 games is pretty harsh. pacman is 10x worse. at least henry's crimes are funny, drinking with underage girls is hardly something to be banned half the season for. pacman is involved in numerous shooting incidents and has assaulted something like 2 women? dude is a scumbag. lol at the titans.


How could Chris Henry's suspension be pretty harsh? He still got arrested 4 times last season...4 TIMES! It doesn't matter how funny it is, it's still all ridiculous. Dude prob. has at least 30 women a night throwing themselves at him in any bar in any city, and he goes somewhere to specifically drink with underage girls? These girls were prob. thinking $$$$$. They're both incredible athletes with retarded thought processing

[SonnyRules]

I just don't understand how they can cede power to Goddell to unilaterally suspend players for whatever he wants. Unless I am missing some little known rule that grants the power sweeping powers to discipline players, this just strikes me as a power grab by the commish.

I would have no issue with this if the Union and the NFL agreed to some sort of code of conduct, but this is generally saying, "We don't have a rule for this sort of thing, but to hell with it, I'm suspending you!"

Yes, the union would likely face a PR backlash, but that's the risk you have to take to protect your membership.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I remenber reading somewhere that the Players Union was in support of Godell in coming up with a new policy and enforcing it. It appears that Mr. Jones and Mr. Henry were made examples of.

[JohnnyUtah]

What do you think would have happened to Sean Taylor if his trial/arrest had been occuring now?

[Donita35]

I personally like the call.

To comment on your question: Taylor better not get into anymore trouble. They are definitely sending out a message and rightfully so. The next time, I think he will miss some playing time as well.

[illone]

It's a good thing the Skins didn't draft this scumbag.

[Walking Deadman]

Hopefully, it will send a message.

There are way too many players on the Turd Watch on PFT
http://www.profootballtalk.com/turdwatch.htm

Surprisingly,
No player from the NFCE has "awarded" their team any points yet.......

[stwasm]

he had was drinking with 3 underage girls, and henry is like 22, not a big deal, this happens every weekend with millions of people. he should be punished for drunk driving and having a gun, i just think half a season is harsh, but maybe theyre using him as an example, and if thats the case, rightly so. albert haynesworth got less for assaulting a player on the field with metal cleats to the face, something just doesnt add up with that one.

Just because "this happens every weekend with millions of people" doesn't make it right. What if one of those three underaged girls was your daugther or sister? You'd want that person punished and punished hard. To me, he's lucky he "only" got half a season. Again, kudos to the NFL for finally establishing consequences for bad behavior.

As an aside, I think it's ironic that the NFL made ESPN take "Playmakers" off the air because it put its players in a false light.

[Winning Season Please!]

Well deserved.

[blitzpackage]

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I remenber reading somewhere that the Players Union was in support of Godell in coming up with a new policy and enforcing it. It appears that Mr. Jones and Mr. Henry were made examples of.

I remember hearing Goodell specifically say that he didn't want to make an example of Pacman or Henry but your right he certainly did. Without a policy in place, I don't see how the union could go along with a retroactive year long suspension unless that committee with Thrash/Vincent etc., carried a lot of weight in Goodell's and more importantly Upshaw's minds.

[NVskinsfan]

The only way to get through to these idiots is through their wallets!!!!

Good move by the Commish!!! :thumbsup:

Need a STRICT personal conduct policy in all profesional sports...NFL leading the way!!! :D :D

[SonnyRules]

What do you think would have happened to Sean Taylor if his trial/arrest had been occuring now?

The enviroment is a lot tougher now. He would have gotten a mutiple game suspension in my opinion.

[Stophovr6]

They went to WVU. I would use the term "college" loosely.

Zing...I'll keep that in mind.:silly:

[Raub]

Mark it down: Pacman will never play another down in the NFL. I seriously don't believe he can follow a commitment that long and keep his nose clean.

[bonecrusher31]

Sean Taylor better watch it.... :laugh:

This Commish plays for keeps :applause:

[Donita35]

Mark it down: Pacman will never play another down in the NFL. I seriously don't believe he can follow a commitment that long and keep his nose clean.

The really sad part is that this is such a waste of talent. :doh: I really hope he can get it together before we read about him in the news like Clarett. :mad:

[Hero21]

Heheheh, I was curious on how the Titans fans were reacting to this. Surprised me how they were trying to rationalize Pacman's actions and saying he's innocent and such.

Titans Message Board (http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25405)

[CandaceM23]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-jones-henrysuspensions&prov=ap&type=lgns

Here's another story on it ...

[Langford78]

I agree completely! :applause:



These two guys are nothing but thugs in every sense of the word, especially Jones. It's people like him that make me sick. He gets to the NFL and gets a bunch of money and thinks he can act like a total ***. Kudos to Goodell for kicking him out for a year (although I think it should be more, but that wasn't going to happen)

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Just because "this happens every weekend with millions of people" doesn't make it right. What if one of those three underaged girls was your daugther or sister? You'd want that person punished and punished hard. To me, he's lucky he "only" got half a season. Again, kudos to the NFL for finally establishing consequences for bad behavior.

As an aside, I think it's ironic that the NFL made ESPN take "Playmakers" off the air because it put its players in a false light.



i knwo i know, im just saying that that was his big offense and i dont think 8 games for drinking with some 16 or 17 year old girls is that big of a deal. he might not even have known they were that young (he doesnt look like the brightest bulb in the pack) but either way 8 is a ton. ill say again, haynesworth got less for stomping a guys face in with a metal cleat so i dont see the justification for giving henry that much time. hes a thug no doubt, but he seems more like just a dumbass vs a straight up criminal. pacman is a criminal, and i have no problem with his suspension, dude should be in jail. henry just seems like a retarded kid, hes not out there beating up women (at least not yet haha).


and honestly, whats even scarier, is that these suspensions are probably worse for these guys. no football, more free time to go out and do really stupid things. not good.

[gray]

This won't stop anything 8 and 16 games is far too much. when you figure that this is these guys livelihoods.

First off are you freaking kidding me ??? To much ??? If this was any normal person that committed these offenses they would have already been in prison. These guys need to grow up and learn to act like adults instead of spoiled rich kids who only get a slap on the wrist when it comes to breaking the law!!! They should each write thank you letters to Goodell for letting them have the chance to come back after their suspensions! Way to go Mr. Goodell !!!!!
:applause: :applause:

[stwasm]

i knwo i know, im just saying that that was his big offense and i dont think 8 games for drinking with some 16 or 17 year old girls is that big of a deal. he might not even have known they were that young (he doesnt look like the brightest bulb in the pack) but either way 8 is a ton. ill say again, haynesworth got less for stomping a guys face in with a metal cleat so i dont see the justification for giving henry that much time. hes a thug no doubt, but he seems more like just a dumbass vs a straight up criminal. pacman is a criminal, and i have no problem with his suspension, dude should be in jail. henry just seems like a retarded kid, hes not out there beating up women (at least not yet haha).


and honestly, whats even scarier, is that these suspensions are probably worse for these guys. no football, more free time to go out and do really stupid things. not good.

Remember that the Haynesworth suspension came with a prior administration and before the NFL decided to take an active approach in the misbehavior of its players. But, it does concern me that you think drinking alcohol with 16 or 17-year-old girls isn't "that big of a deal." What is your rationale on that?

[Rex Tomb]

Hopefully, it will send a message.

There are way too many players on the Turd Watch on PFT
http://www.profootballtalk.com/turdwatch.htm

Surprisingly,
No player from the NFCE has "awarded" their team any points yet.......

Way to go Tampa Bay. Currently in the lead on the Turd Watch with 24! Good Lord, that's probably a 3rd of their roster!

[OWUeagleMD]

I'm all for these punishments. Both of these guys went out of their way to act above any law or regulation placed upon them. Excuse me though if I'm not as ecstatic about the "message" this sends, or the "precedent" this sets for the future. If there is one conclusive fact in the world right now, it's that law enforcement solutions don't solve social ills. They punish the individual, but do nothing to prevent or address the social issue that created the individual. This represents less than 1% of a solution.

[stwasm]

Heheheh, I was curious on how the Titans fans were reacting to this. Surprised me how they were trying to rationalize Pacman's actions and saying he's innocent and such.

Titans Message Board (http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25405)

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

[InsaneBoost]

Atleast this one went more into depth than the other one :D

[Gary Clark Fan]

good if anyone deserves suspension its him

[Langford78]

AMEN!!! ONE brush with the law for an average joe and they usually get canned from their job. Pacman has had TEN and he is just now getting punished. He and athletes like him are just punks who got lucky and were born with a talent that can make them rich. I wonder how long it will be before he starts crying about how he didn't deserve this kind of punishment. BOO FREAKIN HOO



First off are you freaking kidding me ??? To much ??? If this was any normal person that committed these offenses they would have already been in prison. These guys need to grow up and learn to act like adults instead of spoiled rich kids who only get a slap on the wrist when it comes to breaking the law!!! They should each write thank you letters to Goodell for letting them have the chance to come back after their suspensions! Way to go Mr. Goodell !!!!!
:applause: :applause:

[Audible_Red40]

Mark it down: Pacman will never play another down in the NFL. I seriously don't believe he can follow a commitment that long and keep his nose clean.

Nah, he'll be somewhere. Probably in Dallas.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

If there is one conclusive fact in the world right now, it's that law enforcement solutions don't solve social ills. They punish the individual, but do nothing to prevent or address the social issue that created the individual. This represents less than 1% of a solution.

Meh, if they started executing people for graffiti, do you think the frequency of that would diminish?

One of the things we saw around the 60s onwards (until the 90s) was that less severe punishments and a change in perspective towards criminals and criminality helped boost the crime rate. People need to know there are consequences and this works in foreign and other public policy, also.

[[[ghost]]]

Thats what they both get. But why is the thread titled Jones for a Season?

[SkinsOrlando]

Can Pacman still play in the prison league?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Remember that the Haynesworth suspension came with a prior administration and before the NFL decided to take an active approach in the misbehavior of its players. But, it does concern me that you think drinking alcohol with 16 or 17-year-old girls isn't "that big of a deal." What is your rationale on that?



because im 23, and i think henry is as well. thats hanging out with a highschool girl, sure im not rushing out to hang out with the highschool girls, but its hardly something to get up in arms about. thats like highschool girls coming to a college party, this happens constantly and is not a big deal. now, if he had raped one, or assaulted one, totally different story. but sitting in a room drinking beer with a 17 year old girl when youre 22 is nothing to get shafted for half the season for.

[SHYSTER411]

He got arrested for just being around underage girls while they were all drinking, or because he provided them with the alcohol or what?

[OWUeagleMD]

Meh, if they started executing people for graffiti, do you think the frequency of that would diminish?

One of the things we saw around the 60s onwards (until the 90s) was that less severe punishments and a change in perspective towards criminals and criminality helped boost the crime rate. People need to know there are consequences and this works in foreign and other public policy, also.

I think your example is too drastic to have any value.

A better example is, am I going to be less inclined to murder someone because I see a murderer sentenced to life in prison? Of course not. I'm not inclined to murder someone because it has been instilled in me that murder is wrong. In the majority of situations, a person's sense of right and wrong dictates behavior more so than the law.

Pac Man Jones and Chris Henry are the most polarizing examples of problematic athletes. These punishments may speak to the 1-2 percent of athletes who are like minded to those two, but for the silent majority of upstanding citizens in the NFL, these punishments are irrelevant. Marcus Washington, Chris Cooley and Chris Gocong will not be affected by punishments for crimes they'll never consider commiting in the first place.

[OWUeagleMD]

Can Pacman still play in the prison league?

With Rick Vaughan.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

By the way, I have less sympathy for Henry, because he has already been suspended and has been working his way through the system.

The Jones suspension is the one I have issue with. If he was even indicted in the Vegas shooting, I could understand it more, but what if no charges are ever brought? Can the NFL really justify suspending someone for being suspected of a crime?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Marcus Washington, Chris Cooley and Chris Gocong will not be affected by punishments for crimes they'll never consider commiting in the first place.

Never say never. Let's not pretend that is inconceivable that Sean Taylor or Clinton Portis will be at some club some night and one of their "friends/hangers on" does something insanely stupid and or dangerous. By the precedent set today, Goodell can suspend them for being associated with a crime.

[Bliz]

First off are you freaking kidding me ??? To much ??? If this was any normal person that committed these offenses they would have already been in prison. These guys need to grow up and learn to act like adults instead of spoiled rich kids who only get a slap on the wrist when it comes to breaking the law!!! They should each write thank you letters to Goodell for letting them have the chance to come back after their suspensions! Way to go Mr. Goodell !!!!!
:applause: :applause:



Actually, if it was any normal person, they wouldn't be fired or suspended from their jobs before they were convicted of anything. Look, I'm not defending Pacman here, but the guy hasn't even been INDICTED.


"Oh, I'm sorry, I thought I was in America."
--Randy Marsh to arresting officer

[Stricknn]

I guess he won't be "makin' it rain" this season!

[BKSkinsFan]

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k181/BKSkinsFan/pacman.jpg

[WileCoyote]

We all saw this coming for pacman,pacman and henry are lucky theres no 3 strike rule yet.......

[Bliz]

Never say never. Let's not pretend that is inconceivable that Sean Taylor or Clinton Portis will be at some club some night and one of their "friends/hangers on" does something insanely stupid and or dangerous. By the precedent set today, Goodell can suspend them for being associated with a crime.

Not just associated, but merely suspected. THey could be suspended for something they were completely innocent of. I have no problems with the punishments and the ideas behind them, but they're premature. Let the legal system work, wait to see what judge and jury say, and THEN suspend them.

The other problem is these rules invite knee-jerk suspensions. Someone is arrested/accused, the public wants a suspension the next day, without consideration for extenuating circumstances or whether the person even committed the alleged crime.

[pjfootballer]

How do you guys break the news so fast. I just saw it and there already 5 pages in here.

[cphil006]

They hsould, since any normal man would be incarcerated for those actions, but the athlete walks freely. At least the NFL is doing something that will send a message and hopefully people straighten up to make this world a better place

[SHYSTER411]

Actually, if it was any normal person, they wouldn't be fired or suspended from their jobs before they were convicted of anything. Look, I'm not defending Pacman here, but the guy hasn't even been INDICTED.


"Oh, I'm sorry, I thought I was in America."
--Randy Marsh to arresting officer

You might be right about that, if you were arrested once or twice and were not convicted. But he has been arrested 10 times. How many times do you have to be arrested, even if not convicted to be fired or suspended from a regular job. Also, is it out of the realm of possiblility to say that perhaps the reason he hasn't been convicted yet, and has had so many chances is becuase he is a star athlete?

[OWUeagleMD]

Never say never. Let's not pretend that is inconceivable that Sean Taylor or Clinton Portis will be at some club some night and one of their "friends/hangers on" does something insanely stupid and or dangerous. By the precedent set today, Goodell can suspend them for being associated with a crime.

But the better solution would be dealing with the situation which makes athletes feel they need to surround themselves with those sorts of people to begin with. That's precisely my point. Powerfully swinging the hammer of judgement is akin to taking a lawn mower to a patch of weeds. The problem is it takes more commitment and resources to deal with the root cause of an issue, rather than dealing with it topically as it makes itself known.

[Bliz]

You might be right about that, if you were arrested once or twice and were not convicted. But he has been arrested 10 times. How many times do you have to be arrested, even if not convicted to be fired or suspended from a regular job.

No, you're absolutely right. BUt he's an anomaly. What I'm saying is, do we want to set the precedent of suspending players before they've been convicted of anything. There's no hurry. The season is a long way away, and if the Titans brass thinks the charges will stick, they can make their contingency plans in free agency and the draft. But whether you've been arrested once or ten times, the suspension can wait for at least one conviction.

[stwasm]

because im 23, and i think henry is as well. thats hanging out with a highschool girl, sure im not rushing out to hang out with the highschool girls, but its hardly something to get up in arms about. thats like highschool girls coming to a college party, this happens constantly and is not a big deal. now, if he had raped one, or assaulted one, totally different story. but sitting in a room drinking beer with a 17 year old girl when youre 22 is nothing to get shafted for half the season for.

Given that the legal drinking age is 21 and he's consuming alcohol with someone under that age, he's contributing to the delinquency of a minor and setting himself up for such potential nightmares as your aforementioned rape and assault incidents, as well as unplanned pregnancies. And keep in mind that Henry has been arrested 4 times over a 14-month period. That's enough to earn anyone a sit down. Although, I have to admit that I find it disturbing that you feel drinking with minors is no big deal.

[SHYSTER411]

No, you're absolutely right. BUt he's an anomaly. What I'm saying is, do we want to set the precedent of suspending players before they've been convicted of anything. There's no hurry. The season is a long way away, and if the Titans brass thinks the charges will stick, they can make their contingency plans in free agency and the draft. But whether you've been arrested once or ten times, the suspension can wait for at least one conviction.

I see what you are saying. Point taken. Maybe they need to have more specific rules outlining exactly what the penalties are for getting arrested, a set number of times that you can be arrested before being suspended etc. (the fact that these specifics are even needed is kind of sad if you really think about it.) I'm glad I don't have to make this decisions at any rate.

[Huly]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/04/10/suspensions/index.html?cnn=yes

NEW YORK (AP) -- Roger Goodell cracked down Tuesday on the player misconduct that's plagued his first seven months as NFL commissioner, suspending Tennessee's Adam "Pacman" Jones for the 2007 season and Cincinnati's Chris Henry for eight games.

"It is a privilege to represent the NFL, not a right," Goodell said in a statement announcing the suspensions. "These players and all members of our league have to make the right choices and decisions in their conduct on a consistent basis."

Jones' off-field conduct has included 10 incidents where he was interviewed by police. The most recent took place during the NBA All-Star weekend in Las Vegas. Police there recommended felony and misdemeanor charges against Jones after a fight and shooting at a strip club paralyzed one man.

Henry was arrested four times in a 14-month span, resulting in two benchings by coach Marvin Lewis and a two-game league suspension. He was one of nine Bengals arrested in nine months.

Goodell handed down the suspensions under the NFL's existing conduct policy and also announced a new broader policy that will allow longer fines and suspensions for players and potential penalties against teams.

The Titans and Bengals said they supported the suspensions.

"While we regret the circumstances that called for it, it's good for both Chris and the Bengals to have the matter resolved," Lewis said. "Our team will move forward, and now it is up to Chris to acquire a more mature understanding of his responsibilities as a player for the Bengals and a representative of the NFL."

Jones' attorney, Manny Arora, was in a meeting and did not immediately return a message left by the Associated Press.

Goodell, who replaced the retired Paul Tagliabue last September, has spent much of his first season answering questions about the arrests of players, including nine Bengals. Last December, he called Mike Brown, president of the Cincinnati team, and asked if he could do anything to help.

Goodell and Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, met with a group of players in February and again last week and agreed the league needed a stronger disciplinary policy.

"It is important that the NFL be represented consistently by outstanding people as well as great football players, coaches and staff," Goodell said in announcing the new policy, which has the strong support of Upshaw and the union.

Players agreed.

"You would think it's necessary just because of the negative publicity the NFL is beginning to receive because of what's happening," said Henry's teammate, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, one of the players at the February meeting. "It was going on for an extended period of time. Each day, each week, something was happening."

Jones, the sixth overall pick in the 2005 draft, starred on the field but had nothing but trouble off it during two seasons with the Titans. He had four touchdowns last season, three on punt returns and one from one of four interceptions.

He could be reinstated before season's end if he adheres to conditions set by the NFL that include no further involvement with law enforcement; counseling, education and treatment under league and court-ordered programs; follows restrictions on his activities agreed to with the Titans; and a community-service program submitted to the league for review and approval.

"We appreciate the Commissioner's thoughtful decision today and the discipline plan imposed on Adam Jones," Titans owner Bud Adams said. "We respect this decision and are confident this is in the best interest of the league and the team. We are hopeful that it will achieve the goals of disciplining the player and eventually enabling him to return to the field of play. Our goals for Jones are consistent with the league's in that regard."

[BAFGA]

I'll believe he's suspended for the year when I see it. I know the suspension was handed down, but what does the NFLPA have to say about this? What does Sharpton/Jackson have to say about this? I have a feeling this is going to be reduced for both guys.

[ALLWORLD]

Some of you hit the nail on the head, he hasnt been indicted (spelling?). "Normal" people most likely would not lose their job, just not get paid for time missed.


Being in the military, they will not punish you UNTIL you are found guilty. The only exception to that rule is of course you being caught on post/base or an NCO or officer is a witness.

I think its both good and bad for the league, the commish is making his presence felt and intentions clear, however he also needs to realize the attention some of these players get makes them easy targets for shady policeman/ lawyers (see S. Taylor).

Speaking of, Taylor would no doubt be in deep poo if that entire fiasco were to occur today.

[BAFGA]

When is the Tank Johnson suspension going to be handed down?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

By the way, I completely understand why the teams are fine with this. I imagine both of them were looking for a way to sever their ties with the players, and this makes it easy for them. I'm guessing that there will be salary cap relief as well.

[Huly]

[QUOTE=ALLWORLD]
I think its both good and bad for the league, the commish is making his presence felt and intentions clear, however he also needs to realize the attention some of these players get makes them easy targets for shady policeman/ lawyers (see S. Taylor).[QUOTE]


But at the same time some get away with more than the average person because they are a pro sports player etc.

[OWUeagleMD]

But at the same time some get away with more than the average person because they are a pro sports player etc.

But at the same time they get away with less than an average person because they are a pro sports player. No one would know the details of an average person's divorce, the way we do with Michael Strahan.

[Jaded-Dragon]

I agree with and support the no tolerance policies. I was actually expecting a 4 game suspension or something of that nature, but this lets me know that they mean business.

[BKSkinsFan]

I like that the NFL is trying to hold the players up to higher standards. I hate watching the bottom line scores on ESPN be tainted by constant news of players being charged with possession and/or DUI. If an anchor on ESPN was arrested 5 times and questioned by police 5 other times, do you think he should still be doing SportsCenter? If I were in that much legal trouble I guarantee I wouldn't have my job either, and my boss is my father lol.

[Bliz]

By the way, I completely understand why the teams are fine with this. I imagine both of them were looking for a way to sever their ties with the players, and this makes it easy for them. I'm guessing that there will be salary cap relief as well.

I wouldn't read too far into it. More likely than not this is all about PR. I'm quite sure both owners/coaches told anyone and everyone on or affiliated with the team who might be asked exactly what their responses to media questions would be, and true feelings (if different) are only known and voiced behind closed doors

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

The really sad part is that this is such a waste of talent. :doh: I really hope he can get it together before we read about him in the news like Clarett. :mad:


part of being "talented" is having a good head on your shoulders. clearly, he lacks the full package. the NBA should also take this hard-nosed approach. of course, if they did, we'd be looking at Will Bowers as a starting center in the league.

[Major Harris]

They went to WVU. I would use the term "college" loosely.
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[skinsn24]

Arlight, I am very puzzled with the legality of what Goodell is doing and how so many fans here can support what has just happened.

Let me start by saying that I do not supoort commiting crimes and i am not defending Pacman or Henry. However, I am a huge fan of innocent till proven guilty. This is what our country was built on. Cops make false arrests all the time to boost their stats for the month. Most arrests are dropped way prior to anything serious coming of it. Not just for stars, but for alot of people. I digress though.

I dont know about Henry, so I will stick to the Pacman case.

Pacman has 0, yes 0, convictions of ANY crime, no misdemeanors on record.

Yes he has had his fair share of "run ins" with the law. I am not defending him, but how many fo you here come from the projects and have had to deal with cops in dangerous areas. There is racism from police, especially agaisnt athletes, many published stories of DWB..Driving While Black. Again a digress sorry.

The point here is Pacman has just been suspended for 16 games, stripping him of his only source of income, not based on any convictions. His lastest and biggest trouble (making it rain) he has not even been charged for!!.

Here are my main concerns about what has just happened.

1. A person was employed by an organization. They had a contract in place and certain rules were in the agreement stating what is allowed outside of the workplace and what is not. As far as I know and have seen, the rules were basically if you get convicted of a crime, you are in trouble. Untill then there is no legal right to do anything. This person, has never been convicted and all of a sudden is out of a pay check for a whole year, if not more, based on events that occured before any new policy was put in place.

2. The legal system has actually acted correctly in other similair circumstances and the league has followed suite. Now a huge change. For example: Jmal Lewis was convicted (yes he went to prison) for helping to sell major amounts of cocaine! What did the league do while the whole matter was sought out? Nothing! Untill he was convicted and then he served 4 games i beleive.
--Ray Lewis had double murder charges pressed agaisnt him and went to court. His punishment.....0 games...for a double murder charge, how many people did pacman kill?

Some will argue that "it was a differen regime" and Goodell is trying to change things. How quickly everyone forgets that Paul T was possibly the best Commish in sports history, why not stick with what he was doing.

But here is an example from this season with Goodell. Tank Johnson, who was on probation (but obviouslys served no games for his previous crimes), was found this year with tons of militiary type firearms that did not have proper documentation. This was a clear violation of his probation. A judge setenced him to house arrest. OK so a dude violates probation with basically a bunch of m16s. Yet he doesnt get any games. It gets better though, Tank wanted to play in the superbowl. A judge ruled that because he had not yet been convicted of violating his probation tank would be allowed to play in the superbowl. Did Goodell Stop this? OF COURSE NOT

In other words, the Legal system is here for a reason. They understand that you are innocent till proven guilty. If Gooddell wants to override the legal systemt that this country is based on, fine. BUT to decide on this policy and then retroactivly only punish 2 of the many players in the league that have problems....that doesn't seem right

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Given that the legal drinking age is 21 and he's consuming alcohol with someone under that age, he's contributing to the delinquency of a minor and setting himself up for such potential nightmares as your aforementioned rape and assault incidents, as well as unplanned pregnancies. And keep in mind that Henry has been arrested 4 times over a 14-month period. That's enough to earn anyone a sit down. Although, I have to admit that I find it disturbing that you feel drinking with minors is no big deal.


maybe youre just out of touch with the youth of today, because a huge portion of them drink underage. obviously you missed out on college haha.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I'll believe he's suspended for the year when I see it. I know the suspension was handed down, but what does the NFLPA have to say about this? What does Sharpton/Jackson have to say about this? I have a feeling this is going to be reduced for both guys.



if either of them have anything to say about this, theyre insanely out of line. them being black has nothing to do with the behavior theyve exhibited. besides, theyre busy trying to bury don imus for his comments last week.

[THE JUMPOFF]

Mark it down: Pacman will never play another down in the NFL. I seriously don't believe he can follow a commitment that long and keep his nose clean.

Yeah right you're out of your everloving mind he'll play this season.

I can't beleive the commish did this what an uptight loser, I never liked Goodell now it just cements it. Pac-Man Jones hasn't been convicted in court for anything that happened in Vegas, how can the NFL do this to him. What happened to being presumed innocent!! THE NFL IS TURNING INTO A HITLER LIKE REGIME UNDER GOODELL AND I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT. I RELATE GOODELL TO HITLER AND BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they don't pay Pac-Man this year I will be TOTALLY APPALLED. THIS IS SO UNJUST

FREE PACMAN

[40Gut]

I think Mr. Goodell did a great job handling this and he did what was best for the NFL. Some of these players make all this money and being young and they feel they are unstopable. Well done Mr. Goodell well done

[Neophyte]

About damn time, I say. I am tired of multi-millionaire players with less sense of personal responsibility than the average 5 year old getting off free and clear just because they run a 4.3 40 or can bench 225lbs 52 times.

It is just a shame it took this long.

[stwasm]

maybe youre just out of touch with the youth of today, because a huge portion of them drink underage. obviously you missed out on college haha.

But, does that make it right? I admit that I don't drink alcohol, but I know that those who do are told to do it responsibly. Chris Henry failed to do that when he was with those girls and I don't care of that's just part of "the youth of today." Underage drinking is illegal and those who try to find ways around it or contribute to it should be punished.

[THE JUMPOFF]

About damn time, I say. I am tired of multi-millionaire players with less sense of personal responsibility than the average 5 year old getting off free and clear just because they run a 4.3 40 or can bench 225lbs 52 times.

It is just a shame it took this long.

You're mad because you're old and broke as **** compared to PACMAN