Westbrook owes the Feables money?

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm





WESTBROOK OWES EAGLES $3 MILLION


It's time to add another page or two to the "there's a first time for everything" file. According to ComcastSportsNet.com, the Eagles inadvertently paid running back Brian Westbrook an extra $3 million in 2006 (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=48475), and that Westbrook has yet to pay it back.


Westbrook reportedly intends to refund the money. Because he has yet to cut the check, the Eagles have filed a grievance in order to ensure that the money will be paid.


But why in the world didn't Westbrook say something about the overpayment sooner? At a minimum, his agent should have noticed it. Did Westbrook simply regard the payment as free money? Like a $20 that he found in the parking lot at the Olive Garden?


We've got a weird feeling that there's more to this story. The Eagles, with one of the best and the brightest front offices in the league, don't make mistakes like this.








I don't really have much to add on this one. Seems like a pretty big error. It's the equivalent of more than $176k per week.

[mojobo]

If true there definantly is a scandal related to it. It is kinda hard to just lose track of $3 million

[bubba9497]

Who said the eagles were cheap???


stupid, yes... cheap? never :laugh:

[RW]

Finders Keepers..... :D

[TheDoyler23]

He probably doesn't read his stubs, and has an attorney/finance manager.

Either way, I'd fire that guy if he fails to notice such an error in payment.

[Gilgamesh]

Wonder what the "more to the story" could be? I can't imagine this was an off the books payment, but who overpays $3 million by accident?

[tr1]

This whole story sounds a little weird.

[RedskinzOwnU]

The eagles have violated the salary cap. Take away all of their 2007 draft picks.







And give them to the skins.

[HOF44]

Lurie accidentally overpays someone 3,000,000.00. Riiiiggghhttt!

Can't wait to here the back story on this one.

[HapHaszard]

Let me see the interest on $3 million over a years time at 7% is hmmm, I never was good at higher math, rotflmao but that $210 thousand interest could be concidered an illigeal bonus.

[Fred Jones]

I agree with you guys. Besides the Federal Government, who overpays by 3 mil?

Also, being an honest Eagle, why didn't WB or his people simply point out the error and return the money like good little NFL citizens? And don't tell me they didn't notice 3 mil extra on the pay stub.

Also, why didn't the Birds find this sooner or why didn't they point this out sooner?

I smell scandal in birdland.

[RT8ball23]

I have a question about this. In the espn article, it said that the Eagles may face salary cap ramifications. Is this because by paying Westbrook a bonus twice in the same period, they were able to circumvent a salary cap hit somehow?

I don't understand why the cba of the player's union are strict over this matter and why other teams would complain so much about another team overpaying one of their other players by mistake.

[DWinzit]

You all act like this is the first time the Eagles have overpaid a player. They gave Bunkley a $17.5 million contract with a $9.775 in guarantees!:laugh:

[DWinzit]

Overpaying Westbrook could hit Eagles in cap
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

How good was Philadelphia Eagles running back Brian Westbrook in 2006?

So good, apparently, that the Eagles paid him twice. Or at least they anted up twice on the $3 million roster bonus that Westbrook was due.

Team officials have confirmed that, because of an accounting error, Westbrook was twice awarded a $3 million roster bonus for 2006 that was part of the five-year, $25 million contract extension the five-year veteran signed in November 2005. Westbrook reportedly has acknowledged the overage and agreed to repay the money.

But because the Eagles have yet to be reimbursed, which could negatively impact on the Eagles' salary cap status, the team has been forced to file a grievance with the league office seeking repayment. A team official stressed there was no acrimony between the Eagles and their star tailback, that repayment is anticipated, and that the grievance was a technicality aimed at avoiding any cap implications.

Westbrook's agent could not be reached for comment on the extra bonus, which was first reported on Friday evening by ComcastSportsNet.com. It is not clear when, or how, the overage was discovered by the Eagles and Westbrook. One potential complication to the reimbursement is that Westbrook has already paid taxes on the extra $3 million.

Such an accounting gaffe is unusual for any NFL team, but especially for the Eagles, who are among the league's premier franchises in terms of salary cap management.:laugh:

As of Saturday, the league had not charged the accounting error to the Eagles' salary cap. The team remains about $10 million under the NFL spending limit of $109 million for '07.

Westbrook, 27, registered a career season in 2006. On the ground, he posted career highs in carries (240) and yards (1,217), and tied his career best with seven touchdowns. He also had a career-high 77 receptions for 699 yards and four touchdowns.

A third-round pick in the 2002 draft, Westbrook has emerged as one of the NFL's most versatile performers and the centerpiece of the Philadelphia offense. In 70 games, including 49 starts, the former Villanova star has rushed for 3,452 yards and 20 touchdowns on 736 carries, and has 257 catches for 2,436 yards and 18 touchdowns.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2837321

[Monte51Coleman]

Now we know where Carl Poston has been working since his suspension.

In the Philadelphia Eagles accounting office.

[eagles78]

Who said the eagles were cheap???


stupid, yes... cheap? never :laugh:bubba, how have the Skins managed to get swept by a stupid and cheap team 4 out of the last 5 seasons?

[ptr77]

bubba, how have the Skins managed to get swept by a stupid and cheap team 4 out of the last 5 seasons?

By paying their talentend players 3 million under the table every year??? This story is very intriguing, someone's head should roll.

[tr1]

You all act like this is the first time the Eagles have overpaid a player. They gave Bunkley a $17.5 million contract with a $9.775 in guarantees!:laugh:

Probably the funniest post I've read in a year! :laugh:

:cheers:

[eagles78]

By paying their talentend players 3 million under the table every year??? This story is very intriguing, someone's head should roll.Dude, do you have any proof of what you say? Let it play out. This is bascially a non-story in my mind.

[Fred Jones]

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The team remains about $10 million under the NFL spending limit of $109 million for '07.



Wait just a minute, WB36 stated on this very site that the Eagles have spent every penny of their salary cap.

[twenty-eight]

So will their be any sort of punishment handed out by the league?

[Fred Jones]

Dude, do you have any proof of what you say? Let it play out. This is bascially a non-story in my mind.

Let's take a closer look.
The Bird FO messed up and gave away 3 mil to a player accidently. When did the Bird FO discover this mistake? When did WB and his people discover this mistake?

3 mil extra is a lot of money to simply lose track of. It is also a lot of money to see extra in your checking account. Someone had to have known early and decided to keep their mouth shut. The question is did WB/people keep quiet or did the Birds keep quiet or both?

[ptr77]

Dude, do you have any proof of what you say? Let it play out. This is bascially a non-story in my mind.

I do know when any team pays a player an extra 3 million by accident there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG. This had to go through an accountant, the director of finance, and in all likelihood the GM. You better hope this is a non-story or the eagles FO can spin it that way, but this is a huge deal. Paying a man an extra 3 million is quite the "accident".

[DWinzit]

One possible punishment is they lose a draft pick. The new commish could bring down the hammer like he did with Pacman!

[No_Pressure]

It would be nice if the Eagles were paying players under the table, then we would have a new thing to never stop reminding them about. Never winning a superbowl is getting a tad bit old. :)

[mojobo]

Dude, do you have any proof of what you say? Let it play out. This is bascially a non-story in my mind.
The part where they paid Westbrook $3million more than the contract he signed is kind of the proof.

[Monte51Coleman]

This is bascially a non-story in my mind.

Well, duh.

Of course it is. You're an Eagles fan. :laugh:

[tr1]

What's important here is who discovered the 'error.'

If it was the league, the Eagles have some 'splainin' to do...simply because it really looks like they were trying to circumvent the cap.

[HapHaszard]

Dude, do you have any proof of what you say? Let it play out. This is bascially a non-story in my mind.
OK Westbrook was overpaid 3 million dollars, he hasn't payed it back. The Eagles are over the cap and have been. They file so that they won't be punished for being over the cap. If Westbrook pays the 3 million back he is stuck for the taxes he paid, since the Eagles can not pay the taxes or they will be over the cap again. I suspect there is a story in here somewhere. :silly: :laugh:

[AmishGangsta]

Looks like the Eagles may be the ones who are in cap hell - having to pay players under the table and all ;)

[tr1]

Probably the next thing we hear out of Eagle land is that everybody does it...

[Ingtar]

Dude, do you have any proof of what you say? Let it play out. This is bascially a non-story in my mind.

there is the final word then....

NOTHING TO SEE HERE PEOPLE! An Eagles fan said this is a non-story :silly:

[eagles78]

there is the final word then....

NOTHING TO SEE HERE PEOPLE! An Eagles fan said this is a non-story :silly:Well of course I will play it down, just like you guys will try to play it up. Listen, I realize that $3 million is a lot of money and that a mistake like this is unusual to say the least. I don't understand what the big deal is if the Eagles get reimbursed by Westbrook, which they will.

[DWinzit]

Well of course I will play it down, just like you guys will try to play it up. Listen, I realize that $3 million is a lot of money and that a mistake like this is unusual to say the least. I don't understand what the big deal is if the Eagles get reimbursed by Westbrook, which they will.The big deal is I don't recall something like this ever being uncovered and the league may come down hard on the "over sight". There are many ways teams, players and agents try to circumvent league rules. The salary cap is one of the major ones. The Eagles could be faced with major league sanctions!
Bummer :silly:

[bubba9497]

The big deal is I don't recall something like this ever being uncovered and the league may come down hard on the "over sight". There are many ways teams, players and agents try to circumvent league rules. The salary cap is one of the major ones. The Eagles could be faced with major league sanctions!
Bummer :silly:

the Bronco's got nailed for a "mistake" payment to Elway, and I think the 49ers also got busted as well for forgettig they already paid a player

[DWinzit]

the Bronco's got nailed for a "mistake" payment to Elway, and I think the 49ers also got busted as well for forgettig the already paid a playerDo you recall the ramifications?

[bubba9497]

Do you recall the ramifications?


lost draft picks, and fines


but that was during the slap on a wrist commish

Goody, is a bad ass :D

[bubba9497]

bubba, how have the Skins managed to get swept by a stupid and cheap team 4 out of the last 5 seasons?


obviously by cheating :nono:

[DWinzit]

lost draft picks, and fines


but that was during the slap on a wrist commish

Goodall, is a bad ass :DThanks bubba, and I agree Goodall is going to be all good with this one!!!:hammer: :D

[SonnyJ]

Well of course I will play it down, just like you guys will try to play it up. Listen, I realize that $3 million is a lot of money and that a mistake like this is unusual to say the least. I don't understand what the big deal is if the Eagles get reimbursed by Westbrook, which they will.

Shouldn't matter if they get reimbursed, they need to still be punished for it. The league cannot let this slide by. Inadvertently breaking a rule is still breaking a rule. It would have been one thing if they immediately pounced on the error (if it was actually an error, which is highly doubtful) and revoked the payment. But the payment lingered in Westbrook's account for awhile.

Lot's of teams/programs/etc. have been penalized for "innocent" mistakes. If the NFL lets this go, they will create a GIANT loophole through which to pay players. If it doesn't get detected, the player gets a nice big additional bonus and the team retains a player with a lesser cap hit. If it gets detected, "WHOOPS! We didn't mean to give him that money. He'll just pay us back and can keep the interest for his trouble...".

The Eagles need to feel pain on this one. What happens if that additional $3M payment put them over last year's cap? That would be a cap penalty in addition to an undisclosed payment to a player.

Probably several other charges we could tack on as well... :cool:

[Alabama Man]

this will be an non-story cause I seriously doubt anything becomes of this. lose draft picks... pfff. let me know when that happens

[eagles78]

Shouldn't matter if they get reimbursed, they need to still be punished for it. The league cannot let this slide by. Inadvertently breaking a rule is still breaking a rule. It would have been one thing if they immediately pounced on the error (if it was actually an error, which is highly doubtful) and revoked the payment. But the payment lingered in Westbrook's account for awhile.

Lot's of teams/programs/etc. have been penalized for "innocent" mistakes. If the NFL lets this go, they will create a GIANT loophole through which to pay players. If it doesn't get detected, the player gets a nice big additional bonus and the team retains a player with a lesser cap hit. If it gets detected, "WHOOPS! We didn't mean to give him that money. He'll just pay us back and can keep the interest for his trouble...".

The Eagles need to feel pain on this one. What happens if that additional $3M payment put them over last year's cap? That would be a cap penalty in addition to an undisclosed payment to a player.

Probably several other charges we could tack on as well... :cool:Well, we'll see what happens, but every article I've read said that the Eagles won't be losing any picks. So I really don't know what, if anything, will go down.

[Fred Jones]

Well, we'll see what happens, but every article I've read said that the Eagles won't be losing any picks. So I really don't know what, if anything, will go down.


Again, as Sonny said, if the Eagles are allowed to simply slide on this what would stop other teams in the future of doing the same thing. Even if the Eagles simply made a mistake it not only does not look good, but the Eagles should be punished for at the very least having stupid accountants. Doesn't appear that the other 31 teams are that stupid.

[ptr77]

Well, we'll see what happens, but every article I've read said that the Eagles won't be losing any picks. So I really don't know what, if anything, will go down.

So westbrook getting the interest on 3 million and the eagles getting their three mill back is no problem? We all know the eagles will get away with this but it reeks of something fishy. Or will Westy have to pay back the interest too? The eagles should lose 3 million just for being dumb, if this was just a mistake someone in charge might be out of their mind stupid.

[Monte51Coleman]

this will be an non-story cause I seriously doubt anything becomes of this. lose draft picks... pfff. let me know when that happens

Says yet another Eagle fan.

[tr1]

this will be an non-story cause I seriously doubt anything becomes of this. lose draft picks... pfff. let me know when that happens

Oh, you'll be the first to know.

[Number5]

I'm actually concerned about this. Once Westbrook pays the team back, they still will face punishement from the league which will result in loss of picks and/or fines.

My guess is the league will remove any supplemental picks the team has accured, a min of 25,000 fine, and possible additional picks for next season.

[jrockster21]

Nobody has mentioned this - but what about Westbrook's relationship with the team? Now they are filing a grievance against him for their error? What, they don't trust him to pay it back on his own? That seems kind of effed up in my opinion.

[Westbrook36]

This is impossible. The Eagles FO is cheap. They don't spend all of their money because they don't reallly want to win. How on earth could they pay the same guy twice? How are they over the cap with this move? Something is fishy.

Oh yeah, everyone not a Skins fan is saying the Eagles won't be docked draft picks; let me know if it ever happens. Spinning wheels over nothing.

[Westbrook36]

Nobody has mentioned this - but what about Westbrook's relationship with the team? Now they are filing a grievance against him for their error? What, they don't trust him to pay it back on his own? That seems kind of effed up in my opinion.

They filed the grievance to register the issue with the league so they'd not have to forfeit draft picks. Westy has acknowleded the overpayment and, through his agent, has said he is paying the team back.

[Monte51Coleman]

What if he doesn't have it to pay back?

Can he be put on a payment plan?

[Fred Jones]

What if he doesn't have it to pay back?

Can he be put on a payment plan?

That is funny.

I hope he doesn't pay it back because I want a scandal.

[Leonard Washington]

I hope he doesn't pay it back because I want a scandal.

:rolleyes:

[tr1]

They filed the grievance to register the issue with the league so they'd not have to forfeit draft picks. Westy has acknowleded the overpayment and, through his agent, has said he is paying the team back.

And I just pulled a monkey, actually a flying one, out of my butt...

What's fishy is who found the discrepancy.

If it was the League, the Eagles are definitely screwed. This flies in the face of the cap...and it sure makes Westbrook look like a crook.

[DWinzit]

This is impossible. The Eagles FO is cheap. They don't spend all of their money because they don't reallly want to win. How on earth could they pay the same guy twice? How are they over the cap with this move? Something is fishy.

Oh yeah, everyone not a Skins fan is saying the Eagles won't be docked draft picks; let me know if it ever happens. Spinning wheels over nothing.
WB what's up? You are one my favorites around here and after a two week hiatus this is the best you have? Where is the spunk and passion I remember?:whoknows: :2drunks:

The Eagles F'd up and will probably pay for it. No big thing, it's not like it hasn't happened to the Redskins.

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

And I just pulled a monkey, actually a flying one, out of my butt...

What's fishy is who found the discrepancy.

If it was the League, the Eagles are definitely screwed. This flies in the face of the cap...and it sure makes Westbrook look like a crook.How did you know it could fly if you pulled it out of your butt? Pics?

[Westbrook36]

And I just pulled a monkey, actually a flying one, out of my butt...

What's fishy is who found the discrepancy.

If it was the League, the Eagles are definitely screwed. This flies in the face of the cap...and it sure makes Westbrook look like a crook.

tr1, who did find the discrepancy? Logic would dictate that if the Eagles filed a grievance, then they found the discrepancy. :laugh:

You do get two style points for blaming the Eagles AND Westbrook. Awesome. :laugh:

[tr1]

tr1, who did find the discrepancy? Logic would dictate that if the Eagles filed a grievance, then they found the discrepancy. :laugh:

You do get two style points for blaming the Eagles AND Westbrook. Awesome. :laugh:

Logic dictates the Eagles are trying to cover the butts. And, it looks like Westbrook was part of this scheme or a theif.

You make the call.

[HapHaszard]

I can understand Westbrooks reluctance to pay this money back until its determined who will reimburse him for the taxes paid. the Federal government takes roughly a third of his money, so your talking a million, I'm not sure what the tax rate in Pa is but if its close to any of the Yankee states I have lived in its pretty high. Knowing the *** tax system we are under right now he has been hosed, and may never get it back. If he pays back the 3 mill he is out roughly a mil in taxes paid. Thats a pretty big hit.

[bedlamVR]

[QUOTE=tr1]And I just pulled a monkey, actually a flying one, out of my butt...
QUOTE]

Errrm Link ?

[bedlamVR]

tr1, who did find the discrepancy? Logic would dictate that if the Eagles filed a grievance, then they found the discrepancy. :laugh:

You do get two style points for blaming the Eagles AND Westbrook. Awesome. :laugh:


Now it is still not clear who found the discrepancy ...

Logic is an ass as it assumes that because the Eagles FO because they filled the grievance they spotted the error.

But what if it wasn't. The NFL must check the accounts of teams and while I am not an accountant I am sure in the depths of the CBA and complicated finances of an NFL franchise hide a payment if you so wished so the casual viewing would not spot overpayments.

What if this oversight was spotted by a more indepth NFL audit accountant? Or just prior to such an audit taking place. To cover your ass as the team you would claim (at least I would) not to notice that an extra $3 million is going to a star player and file a grievence to stop the problem in its tracks....its better to look foolish than culpable.

The thing is one side will say this is an honest mistake - which it could be, but when you are talking about $3million the chances of a simple error occuring are vastly diminished.

I am not up in arms about this because its an Eagles player, if this had been any player for any team I would think a scandel would follow because of all the people who could of but didn't spot the mistake - the people in the Eagles FO, the Eagles accountants on monthly payroll, Westbrooks agent, his accountant - who must have noticed the increase in work in simple (and leagal) tax evasion and Westbrook himself makes me think there is alot more to this story.

I wonder how many other Eagles players have been overpaid and it not been "Spotted" by the team, and even if this turns out to be a mistake and the only instance of this purposfully or not the Eagles curcumvented the CBA and salary cap rules to over pay a player and should be punished - Stupidity is not a legal defence.

[dockeryfan]

Stupidity is not a legal defence.
Not in this case. There will be a penalty. How severe? That's up to Goodell, but if he thinks they were trying to circumvent the cap at all in terms of player compensation, there will be picks involved. If he thinks they just made an error, probably just a cap adjustment related to the 3mil+interest.

[jrockster21]

tr1, who did find the discrepancy? Logic would dictate that if the Eagles filed a grievance, then they found the discrepancy. :laugh:

You do get two style points for blaming the Eagles AND Westbrook. Awesome. :laugh:


Uhhh, no. Someone needs to freshen up on their logic skills.

By the way - you are strangely quiet on the whole 10 mill under the cap thing, when you posted on this very board the Eagles had spent every penny of their cap. What happened?? :laugh:

[HapHaszard]

I remember once years ago when I was underpaid by 24 cents and it was caught in an audit, IBM sent me a check for the 24 cents. I never cashed it, just framed it and put it on my wall. It caused the payroll office so much grief from not cashing the thing, that I was called into my managers office and told to cash the "*** check or else. If 24 cents can cause such a disruption what does $3 million do to the payroll department? :laugh: ah inflation. :silly:

[thelongestbreath]

Would I be the only one who'd laugh if the Eagles accountants screwed up/tried to hide it and Westbrook didn't repay for their mistakes?

[BillyKilmer]

They would have to make me pay it back too.

[tr1]

The next logical question would be:

Is this an isolated incident for the Eagles?

I've always found it a mystery as to why certain players continue to stay with them even though they've been offered more money elsewhere (Runyan is the biggest name to come to mind.)

[Excel]

The next logical question would be:

Is this an isolated incident for the Eagles?

I've always found it a mystery as to why certain players continue to stay with them even though they've been offered more money elsewhere (Runyan is the biggest name to come to mind.)

Of course its a mystery to you, you're a Redskin fan. :D

On the Westbrook topic I saw more posted on PFT.

EAGLES TRIPPED ON ROSTER/SIGNING BONUS TERM

We've gotten to the bottom of the problem that resulted in the payment to Eagles running back Brian Westbrook of not one but two $3 million roster bonuses in 2006.

Here's what happened, per a source with knowledge of the situation.

Westbrook's 2005 contract extension contained a $3 million roster bonus payable in early 2006. The contract contained language allowing the team, at its option, to convert the roster bonus to a signing bonus. It's a relatively new cap-management device, aimed at permitting the team to reduce the cap hit arising from the payment in the year the money changes hands. As we understand it, Westbrook's contract was the first deal in which the Eagles used such a term.

Given the way that the contract was written, someone in the finance department accidentally concluded that Westbrook was entitled to both a $3 million roster bonus and a $3 million signing bonus -- not either/or. So Westbrook got two checks for the gross amount of $3 million.

And while it's easy to chide Westbrook for cashing the extra check without asking any questions, we're told that the money doesn't directly go to him. Instead, it passes through his own financial management structure. So he didn't know about it until after the check cleared. (It's still unclear, however, whether he knew about the overpayment before the team raised it with him.)

The Eagles noticed the error as part of an internal year-end reconciliation, and the team promptly reported the situation to the league. At the advice of the league office, the Eagles pursued a grievance because clubs have only 45 days to file a claim or risk losing the ability to do so.

The Eagles had no reason to believe that Westbrook might try to stiff them by claiming that they waited too long to file the grievance. But three million bucks is three million bucks, and the safest course of action for the franchise was to preserve their rights by filing the grievance.

Meanwhile, we're told that a hearing has been set on the grievance for May 2007. But it's likely that no hearing will be held, since Westbrook does not dispute that he was overpaid. The delay in getting the money paid arises from the efforts of the team and the player to figure out whether Westbrook will cut a check for $3 million and pursue reimbursement of the taxes that were withheld (which could be a major pain in the butt for him), or whether he will pay the after-tax amount (roughly $1.7 million) and assign to the team the ability to pursue the tax reimbursement.

Technically, the grievance seeks recovery of $3 million plus interest, but it's our understanding that the Eagles won't squabble about the interest, and that there will be no cap consequence arising from the team's failure to recover reimbursement of the interest generated.

With that said, $3 million at an interest rate of five percent racks up $150,000 per year. Thus, we have a feeling that one or more of the other 31 NFL franchises (or, more specifically, one or more of the other three NFC East teams) might have something to say about this specific wrinkle.

Then again, with the salary cap at $109 million, $150,000 is only 0.137 percent of the total spending limit in 2007.

Per the source, there have been no cap consequences to date for the Eagles resulting from the $3 million overpayment. At worst, they would be slapped with a charge of $3 million in 2007, and the charge would be removed once the money is reimbursed.

Finally, the team is seeking reimbursement not of the $3 million roster bonus, but of the $3 million signing bonus. Thus, the only cap charge that ever would have applied in 2006 is $600,000 (i.e., one-fifth of the bonus payment), and it's our understanding that the Eagles were more than $600,000 below the cap at all times in 2006.

So that's the story. It's not nearly as juicy as we had hoped.


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[tr1]

(It's still unclear, however, whether he knew about the overpayment before the team raised it with him.)

You may not find this 'juicy', but for me, it's a character issue...and I'll withhold judgment on Westbrook until more facts come out...

However, for the 'best' FO in the league, this is truly embarrassing....try to deny that.

[Westbrook36]

I love how threads like these progress. At first, every armchair court tv watching schlomo talks about the obvious ramifications of this eggregious error; then, we have to place the blame on as many parties as possible.

Once the story runs its course and we find out that no league action will be taken and it was an isolated mistake by a financial weenie in the accounting department, the rules quickly change and now we go into the mode where we have to fire one last salvo at anyone we can attempt to make look bad, ie, tr1 abandoning his former arguments and now pinning his hopes on "truely embarrassing, try to deny it". :laugh: :laugh:

Talk about premature ejaculation. Sorry your fun was ruined, boys. :cool:

[dockeryfan]

The contract contained language allowing the team, at its option, to convert the roster bonus to a signing bonus. It's a relatively new cap-management device, aimed at permitting the team to reduce the cap hit arising from the payment in the year the money changes hands. As we understand it, Westbrook's contract was the first deal in which the Eagles used such a term.
The Redskins have been doing this for how many years now?
If it's "relatively new", then the Skins were way ahead of the curve. I want to say Lavar's first extension had language that enabled them to convert roster bonuses.

[jrockster21]

I love how threads like these progress. At first, every armchair court tv watching schlomo talks about the obvious ramifications of this eggregious error; then, we have to place the blame on as many parties as possible.

Once the story runs its course and we find out that no league action will be taken and it was an isolated mistake by a financial weenie in the accounting department, the rules quickly change and now we go into the mode where we have to fire one last salvo at anyone we can attempt to make look bad, ie, tr1 abandoning his former arguments and now pinning his hopes on "truely embarrassing, try to deny it". :laugh: :laugh:

Talk about premature ejaculation. Sorry your fun was ruined, boys. :cool:

Riiiiiiiight. Of course our resident Andy Reid tea-bag target accepts the story right away. Relatively new....:laugh: That's rich. The Skins and other teams have been doing this for 5 years now.

[bubba9497]

I think that Brian Westbrook $3 million overpayment by the Eagles is one of the strangest stories I've heard in a while. How can an organization run as well as the Eagles (Philly's the Microsoft front-office of the NFL) pay a guy $3 million more than he's due? And wouldn't the player, or his agent, say, "Uh, what's this extra $3 million in my check this week?''



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/04/15/draft/4.html

[Califan007]

Westbrook only got to keep 1.7 million of a 3 million dollar check??...That's obscene.

[bubba9497]

Riiiiiiiight. Of course our resident Andy Reid tea-bag target accepts the story right away. Relatively new....:laugh: That's rich. The Skins and other teams have been doing this for 5 years now.



try these on, all will become clear

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[Fred Jones]

I love how threads like these progress. At first, every armchair court tv watching schlomo talks about the obvious ramifications of this eggregious error; then, we have to place the blame on as many parties as possible.

Once the story runs its course and we find out that no league action will be taken and it was an isolated mistake by a financial weenie in the accounting department, the rules quickly change and now we go into the mode where we have to fire one last salvo at anyone we can attempt to make look bad, ie, tr1 abandoning his former arguments and now pinning his hopes on "truely embarrassing, try to deny it". :laugh: :laugh:

Talk about premature ejaculation. Sorry your fun was ruined, boys. :cool:

Let me restate what I said earlier, "I hope he doesn't return the money because I want a scandal"

Well, that hasn't changed.

[bedlamVR]

"Given the way that the contract was written, someone in the finance department accidentally concluded that Westbrook was entitled to both a $3 million roster bonus and a $3 million signing bonus -- not either/or. So Westbrook got two checks for the gross amount of $3 million."

This stinks and i really don't think anything will be done about the Eagles though the more that comes out it is really starting to look like a cover up because they are already blaming some schmoe in accounting for the foul up though it is still hard to belive nobody noticed $3million missing. Also this is not a new accounting ploy the Skins have been using it for years long before the new CBA so it dates back some its a weak excuse .

There is something else bothering me about this . IF the eagles picked this up on an end of year audit, given the end of the NFL year is March 1st why does the story break now and why do they file the grievance so close to the deadline ?

It stinks and it would stink if it were a team of any colour if it had been Owens or Roy Williams the resident eagles fans would be pilling on.

[Alabama Man]

I genuinely don't care cause I rather just wait any see what happens. The type of people with nothing else going on but checking this website might be interested, but I really think it ends there.

[Monte51Coleman]

I genuinely don't care cause I rather just wait any see what happens. The type of people with nothing else going on but checking this website might be interested, but I really think it ends there.

Am I the only one to see the irony in this message?

[panel]

I wouldn't have said anything either, I just would have sat on the money, and collected interest on it, then givin the amount owed back to the team.

[Westbrook36]

The real irony is how Skins fans who quickly spin their owner stiffing a star player out of money (Arrington) still continues to call the Eagles FO cheap after they overpay a star player. :laugh: :laugh:

You wonder why teams only want the payday then they quit on the Skins? Your strategy for dealing with difficult players is to freeze them out with a plasma tv. Way to go, Danny. :laugh:

[Monte51Coleman]

The real irony is how Skins fans who quickly spin their owner stiffing a star player out of money (Arrington) still continues to call the Eagles FO cheap after they overpay a star player. :laugh: :laugh:

You wonder why teams only want the payday then they quit on the Skins? Your strategy for dealing with difficult players is to freeze them out with a plasma tv. Way to go, Danny. :laugh:

Since you weren't paying attention, this is the part I found ironic:


I genuinely don't care cause I rather just wait any see what happens. The type of people with nothing else going on but checking this website might be interested, but I really think it ends there.

You are such a consistent troll around here. Why you're still welcome is completely beyond me.

(Hope your safe.)

[Excel]

Westbrook only got to keep 1.7 million of a 3 million dollar check??...That's obscene.

Westbrook is in the 35% Federal Tax bracket, and 3.070 State Tax bracket. He might be in New Jersey where its 8.970.

[eagles78]

cap at all times in 2006.

So that's the story. It's not nearly as juicy as we had hoped.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------You mean not nearly as juicy as Skins fans had hoped.:laugh:

[tr1]

The real irony is how Skins fans who quickly spin their owner stiffing a star player out of money (Arrington) still continues to call the Eagles FO cheap after they overpay a star player. :laugh: :laugh:

You wonder why teams only want the payday then they quit on the Skins? Your strategy for dealing with difficult players is to freeze them out with a plasma tv. Way to go, Danny. :laugh:

Eagle fan motto: When losing the argument, change the subject to the Skins...

Classic WB. I'd have been disappointed otherwise...

[phishisthegreatstuff]

somethings fishy here and I don't like it...You don't just pay someone an extra 3 mill by accident. there guilty of some kinda foul play.

[tr1]

You mean not nearly as juicy as Skins fans had hoped.:laugh:

The story isn't over yet...stay tuned.

[Bostic Hog]

Westbrook is in the 35% Federal Tax bracket, and 3.070 State Tax bracket. He might be in New Jersey where its 8.970.

Welcome to American where we keep our government well subsidized.

Not to mention the outrageous Philly Wage Tax. I'm sure Eagles players are subject to that as well.

[bubba9497]

Westbrook is in the 35% Federal Tax bracket, and 3.070 State Tax bracket. He might be in New Jersey where its 8.970.

Welcome to American where we keep our government well subsidized.



keep political comments out of this forum

[Excel]

keep political comments out of this forum

Edited. You should sleep better now.

[Bang]

The real irony is how Skins fans who quickly spin their owner stiffing a star player out of money (Arrington) still continues to call the Eagles FO cheap after they overpay a star player. :laugh: :laugh:

You wonder why teams only want the payday then they quit on the Skins? Your strategy for dealing with difficult players is to freeze them out with a plasma tv. Way to go, Danny. :laugh:


How do you stiff a guy out of a contract HE signed and initialled on every page?

Don't take my word for it. Take the word of the NFL and NFLPA who have suspended his agents for their mis-deeds. I'm sure if the Redskins had bilked them they would not have gone away as quietly as they did.
Nice reach.

~Bang

[bubba9497]

Edited. You should sleep better now.



save the sarcasm,


there's enough hot tempers over football issues... you want to ***** about politics... go to tailgate

[pjfootballer]

IMO Philadelphia violated the CBA and were over the cap if the payment went out. They should get draft choices taken away.

[OWUeagleMD]

IMO Philadelphia violated the CBA and were over the cap if the payment went out. They should get draft choices taken away.

I.M.O. it is very obvious why that would be Y.O.

[Alabama Man]

save the sarcasm,


there's enough hot tempers over football issues... you want to ***** about politics... go to tailgate

Wait, are you some authority figure?

it doesn't say under your name

[OWUeagleMD]

Wait, are you some authority figure?

it doesn't say under your name

I believe he is a moderator on one level or another.

[bubba9497]

Wait, are you some authority figure?

it doesn't say under your name




Wait, who are you to question my authority?



check the avatar... coach avatar = authority figure


I am a staff member on this board, and the Breaking News forum moderator

[OWUeagleMD]

who are you to question my authority?



Eric Cartman is a moderator!!!

[WinSkins]

Dude, do you have any proof of what you say? Let it play out. This is bascially a non-story in my mind.

Of course it is a non-story in your mind :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Sorry to let you know wishing won't make it go away :laugh: :laugh:
:eaglesuck

[OWUeagleMD]

Of course it is a non-story in your mind :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Sorry to let you know wishing won't make it go away :laugh: :laugh:
:eaglesuck

That message goes both ways in this situation. Wishing that The Eagles will be punished for this error doesn't mean it's going to happen.

[pjfootballer]

I.M.O. it is very obvious why that would be Y.O.

:D of course. Anything to mess a rival up.

[Excel]

save the sarcasm,


there's enough hot tempers over football issues... you want to ***** about politics... go to tailgate

Accusing me of wanting to talk about politics is borderline hilarious. I wasn't opening anything up for debate, I was closing with where Westbrook's 1.3m went. I was responding in a helpful manner to a ?.

You are the authority figure though, so I promptly took action to ease your grave concern over possible conflict. You may not believe it, but I'm truly concerned over your ability to sleep peacefully. It was sincere. No sarcasm in my words.

Take care of yourself now :)

[HapHaszard]

I talked to a tax lawyer friend of mine, explained the $3 million that taxes were paid on, and then the money has to be returned, he got a gleam in his eye and said something about some tax accountant is going to get a new Beemer. The Feds don't like to give money back.

[Excel]

I talked to a tax lawyer friend of mine, explained the $3 million that taxes were paid on, and then the money has to be returned, he got a gleam in his eye and said something about some tax accountant is going to get a new Beemer. The Feds don't like to give money back.

I can't respond. This has been deemed a political discussion.

[Alabama Man]

Wait, who are you to question my authority?



check the avatar... coach avatar = authority figure


I am a staff member on this board, and the Breaking News forum moderator

Wow, that was a legitiment question. If I wanted to 'question your authority' I'd ask you how it is up there on your ivory tower. But I certainly didn't say that.

anyway, back to football....

[bubba9497]

I can't respond. This has been deemed a political discussion.


that's two

your snide comments about how taxes are used, was inappropriate in this forum, and against board rules

again the tailgate is especially for that type of comment and discussion...

it doesn't take much for a stupid political comment to quickly turn ugly, and this forum is for football discussion only... members come here to take a break from daily issues and political BS

you're not being picked on, and not the only one reminded of this... so I suggest you let it go...

[bubba9497]

Accusing me of wanting to talk about politics is borderline hilarious. I wasn't opening anything up for debate, I was closing with where Westbrook's 1.3m went. I was responding in a helpful manner to a ?.

You are the authority figure though, so I promptly took action to ease your grave concern over possible conflict. You may not believe it, but I'm truly concerned over your ability to sleep peacefully. It was sincere. No sarcasm in my words.

Take care of yourself now :)

you are too sweet, but you better save your concerns for yourself

[tr1]

Wow, that was a legitiment question. If I wanted to 'question your authority' I'd ask you how it is up there on your ivory tower. But I certainly didn't say that.

anyway, back to football....

Keep it up 'bama man...we may get rid of you yet.

[tr1]

I can't respond. This has been deemed a political discussion.

Come on, you can make one more out-of-line comment...Bubba may not banish you, but someone will...

[Excel]

that's two

your snide comments about how taxes are used, was inappropriate in this forum, and against board rules

again the tailgate is especially for that type of comment and discussion...

it doesn't take much for a stupid political comment to quickly turn ugly, and this forum is for football discussion only... members come here to take a break from daily issues and political BS

you're not being picked on, and not the only one reminded of this... so I suggest you let it go...

A couple questions, and I'm history. What's "that's two" referring to, and wouldn't you think starting a Keith Olbermann to the NFL thread spark political debate at least on some level?

[Alabama Man]

Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think every thing you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told to want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic. You have been warned - Tyler

[Excel]

Come on, you can make one more out-of-line comment...Bubba may not banish you, but someone will...

Don't kid yourself. If there weren't fans of other teams visiting this forum you wouldn't even be here. You'd be posting your childish gibberish on another teams boards.

[dockeryfan]

This thread has reached a new low of suckage and off-trackedness.

It seems to me that the interest on the extra money would account to a bonus and should be accounted for. Any feigned attempt at playing dumb by the Eagles accounting dept falls flat. It doesn't matter that they didn't realize they screwed up. They still did. It might not be fraud, but it surely is abuse, and will be punished. As to how much? That's up to Goodell. That is all.

[pointyfootball]

This thread has reached a new low of suckage and off-trackedness.

haha Is there a meter or scale somewhere that tracks that? Sounds like work lunches where I get stuck sitting at management's table.

[pjfootballer]

Didn't Denver get picks taken away a couple of years ago? Anyone know what it was for? I thought in involved the cap.

[OWUeagleMD]

Didn't Denver get picks taken away a couple of years ago? Anyone know what it was for? I thought in involved the cap.

They grossly defied the salary cap during their SB years.

[Number5]

haha Is there a meter or scale somewhere that tracks that? Sounds like work lunches where I get stuck sitting at management's table.

Yes, the meter is the number of tr1 responses within a single page.

0 - 1 responses.....probably some good football talk going on
2 - 3 responses.....folks are getting wired and starting to lose focus
4 - 5 responses.....standard mudslinging (nothing more than "u suk" comments)
6 - 7 responses.....At least two will include "Ignore Me" or "Bwahahahaha"
8 - 9 responses.....Westbrook36 has entered the conversation...lol (gotta love my boy though!)


:laugh: :laugh:

[pjfootballer]

They grossly defied the salary cap during their SB years.

Thanks, that's what I thought. I just wasn't 100% sure.

[OWUeagleMD]

Yes, the meter is the number of tr1 responses within a single page.

0 - 1 responses.....probably some good football talk going on
2 - 3 responses.....folks are getting wired and starting to lose focus
4 - 5 responses.....standard mudslinging (nothing more than "u suk" comments)
6 - 7 responses.....At least two will include "Ignore Me" or "Bwahahahaha"
8 - 9 responses.....Westbrook36 has entered the conversation...lol (gotta love my boy though!)


:laugh: :laugh:

It's kinda like the Richter Scale though. It's an exponential increase going up the ladder, not a simple tier system. By the time WB has entered the conversation, assuming tr1 is still engaged, we are talking 25+ pages of unadulterated disgust. People on one side drop the conversation and question only why WB has never been banned, while people on the other drop the conversation to tell tr1 he would be nothing without them.

[Number5]

It's kinda like the Richter Scale though. It's an exponential increase going up the ladder, not a simple tier system. By the time WB has entered the conversation, assuming tr1 is still engaged, we are talking 25+ pages of unadulterated disgust. People on one side drop the conversation and question only why WB has never been banned, while people on the other drop the conversation to tell tr1 he would be nothing without them.


Good point.....I guess the more he posts, the more people sit back and wait for the fireworks to begin.

Normally, if it's a class "4 - 5" it doesn't escalate higher until jrock chimes in...that's normally when WB36 comes in. I swear, I love both of them crazy dudes, but they remind me of Batman and the Joker. They only exist to torment the other.....and normally, Batman wins....now the only question is "Who Is Batman?" :laugh: And why do most of us root for the "Joker" anyways?


Let me add the tr1 isn't at fault, to be honest, his articles and comments bring out the best and the worst in ALL of us. They normally do spark good football conversation and the debates, before they turn from serious into jungle gym tantrums, are very interesting and always have valid points hidden within them.

I guess that tr1 serves as the Dan Didio of the forum.....($20.00 bucks to the first person who can answer who Dan Didio) :laugh:

[BigDFan5]

$20.00 bucks to the first person who can answer who Dan Didio) :laugh:


editor and Veep of DC comics

[HapHaszard]

Yes, the meter is the number of tr1 responses within a single page.


8 - 9 responses.....Westbrook36 has entered the conversation...lol (gotta love my boy though!)


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rotflmao :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: