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tr1
April-14th-2007, 05:20 AM
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2007-04-12/news/amazing-disgrace/
By Richie Whitt
Published: April 12, 2007

SHREVEPORT, Louisiana—Signs your grand plans have gone slightly askew:

"I kick myself almost every day," says former Cowboys QB Quincy Carter.

Subject(s): Cowboys, Quincy Carter

You toke your way out of a job as quarterback of America's Team, shepherded from Dallas Cowboys training camp by the notorious Bishop Terry Hornbuckle.

You file a "wrongful termination" grievance against the Cowboys which, when you lose, makes nary a ripple of news.

One week into a comeback attempt in Canada, you are unceremoniously cut by the Montreal Alouettes.

On an early December morning you are arrested for possession of marijuana, only to sit in jail for 12 hours before being bailed out by a columnist exploiting you as a radio bit.

In the first game of your next—and last—attempted resurrection, you throw six touchdowns for a rinky-dink outfit called the Bossier-Shreveport BattleWings and collect your paycheck: $200 base, $50 bonus for winning.

"You can't believe it?" Carter says last Saturday night in CenturyTel Center. "Trust me, I can't believe it."

Since getting dismissed by the Cowboys in the summer of 2004, Lavonya Quintelle Carter's life has gone to ****. And, arguably worse, Shreveport.

"I kick myself almost every day," Carter says thoughtfully while peeling off his sweaty, black-and-green BattleWings uniform. "I was quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, about as high-profile as you can get. And I'd love to have that back, I won't deny that. But I can't get that back."

Instead of sold-out NFL stadiums and national TV audiences, Carter toils in the modest arena alongside the Red River just down the street from a nest of casinos. For BattleWings' games the parking is free, admission is $8 and attendance—with the upper deck curtained off to create the illusion of a crowd—sometimes tops 3,000.

Like you, Carter wonders how the hell he got here.

"I made some bad decisions, did some stupid things," he says. "I can only point the finger at myself and try to move on. But it's hard being patient. I've got to realize I can't get three years back in one day."

Just like that, Carter went from riding in limos to washing them.

His fall from grace reads like a man slipping down the trunk of tree, grasping for safety only to have the branches whack him in the crotch each painful rung into despair. While Michael Irvin somehow parlayed his drug abuse into street cred, sympathy and even Canton, Carter's sentenced him to insignificance.

"If I'd never picked up pot I'd still be playing for the Cowboys," says Carter, who in Dallas routinely quoted Bible verses during interviews. "I have to live with that."

With a five-year, $4 million contract and endorsements from owner Jerry Jones and coach Bill Parcells, Carter started all 16 games and led the Cowboys to a 10-6 playoff berth in '03. But six days into '04 training camp, he flunked a drug test and was released, comforted in part by the reprehensible Hornbuckle.

Carter filed a grievance against the Cowboys, claiming he was wrongfully released. Last month the NFL Players Association lost the case on his behalf.

"Isn't that funny?" Carter says with a seemingly unbefitting laugh. "Look at how it went down. And somehow I lost? I don't know, man, it's just funny. God tells us to forgive and I'm doing my best, but what the Cowboys did to me...it's tough to swallow."

Says Jones, "Although Quincy's time in Dallas did not result in the type of success that we all had hoped for, we wish him nothing but the best in his pursuit of a new opportunity in professional football."

After a short stint with the New York Jets, skipping the '05 season and the humbling release north of the border last spring, Carter crashed into rock bottom December 15.

Called to Shady Grove Road in Irving around 5:30 a.m., police found Carter "throwing things around" and arrested him for possessing less than two ounces of pot, a Class B misdemeanor. He sat in jail until 5 p.m., when Fort Worth Star-Telegram columnist and ESPN 103.3 FM radio host Randy Galloway paid his $500 bail. Upon his release, Carter, apparently without money or transportation, hitched a ride home with a KDFW-Channel 4 van.

"It started as radio-show bull****," Galloway says. "But it turned into a legitimately sad story. The former quarterback of the Cowboys had no money and no friends, at Christmas? That's a pretty fast downward spiral."

With charges pending, Carter says only of the incident, "Let's just say the police didn't handle things the right way."

Worse, when Carter called Galloway the next day he was snubbed.

"He called, but I said no thanks," Galloway says. "You know your life's not going well if I have to bail you out of jail. I just didn't want to talk to him. I wanted him to move on and get his life turned around."

Fortunately, at the very base of the tree trunk, the BattleWings were willing to listen.

Claiming he's been drug-free for nearly four months, Carter plans to use Arena2—a developmental minor league to the AFL—as a one-year stepping stone back to the CFL and, ultimately, the NFL.

But before he can play Broadway again, Quincy has to perfect Bossier.

Fittingly, on an Easter Eve sprinkled with snow, Carter looks ridiculously out of place in the quaint building about the size of a concession stand in the Cowboys' new $1 billion baby. The joint is sponsored by Shoney's, has all the ambience of a nursing home knitting hour and boasts a grainy black-and-white scoreboard video screen not unlike the set your old man used to watch The Honeymooners. The game is 8 on 8, the 50-yard field is surrounded by padded walls and the referee constantly stops play to yell "Please turn down the music!"

Instead of his old No. 17, Quincy wears No. 8 ("I'm trying to put the 1 and 7 back together again," he explains.) He wears a yellow Livestrong bracelet, talks with that familiar lisp and carries the weight of a crappy franchise that has never made the playoffs and last year lost a game 72-3 in Tulsa.

Despite the pressure, Carter performs. Matched against former Texas Tech quarterback Cody Hodges, Carter leads the BattleWings to a 67-52 victory over the Fort Wayne Fusion with 20 of 29 passing for 237 yards, countless points to the sky, a couple of enthusiastic towel waves and the first, tiny steps toward salvaging a career.

"I'm not kidding myself. I know the talent level drops off, and it's not 11 on 11," says Carter, 29. "But this is my last chance. No doubt in my mind I will be back in the NFL."

Just not in Dallas.

HapHaszard
April-14th-2007, 06:03 AM
Interesting article, should be required reading for all rookies at training camp.

BillyKilmer
April-14th-2007, 06:09 AM
As a father of three sons I read this as a cautionary tale

paloosa
April-14th-2007, 07:07 AM
It is sad but typical of what happens to players who get caught by drugs. If they would have had this during Irvins time he would have had the same fate. What is also typical is that another player saying that a team did something wrong and that they were let go without cause. HELLLLLOOOOO! YOU DID DRUGS!!! and got caught. No one forced you to do drugs. I don't know Quincy Carter and he may never had done drugs before but he did it. Dallas and any other team has a right to release you for whatever reason they feel is justified. Doing drugs, making the team and Jerry Jones look bad is all the reason to let him go. There may be more to the story than we know about but I don't feel sorry for Quincy Carter or any other player that this type of thing happens to.

scskin
April-14th-2007, 07:23 AM
My bro in law played HS ball with QC and for the most part this is accurate.

wysknz1
April-14th-2007, 07:57 AM
Interesting article, should be required reading for all rookies at training camp.



Maybe for every kid between Jr High and Sr high.

HapHaszard
April-14th-2007, 08:09 AM
Maybe for every kid between Jr High and Sr high.
Only if its read out loud to them, you know HS athletes can't read. :laugh:

SKINtil8tin
April-14th-2007, 09:23 AM
....please make it stop! This has got to be one of the sorriest and saddest stories of a player who should still be in the nfl. I always thought that Carter was a chump when he played but to hit rock bottom like this?

There have been several players in the substance abuse program that have failed drug tests in the past. There's obviously alot more to Carter's story that we don't know about...psych problems, lack of support system, improper guidance, attitude problems, dependency issues...or is he just plain stupid?

I'll always root for the worst for a puke or a former player (I did root for Emmit on "Dancing" though) but I got to have mercy on this guy. If he's truly been clean and is getting his life in order, I wish him nothing but the best.

SKINtil8tin
April-14th-2007, 09:25 AM
sorry...repost

hokie4redskins
April-14th-2007, 11:19 PM
Man, what a shame. I remember a couple weeks before he was cut, I saw him in an interview when he confidently declared, "Oh yeah, there's no doubt in my mind I'll be the starter this year."

Poof.

snaps
April-14th-2007, 11:43 PM
Wow...i wish him the best...there is someone who has truly been through it all.

Tastes Like Chicken
April-15th-2007, 08:57 AM
How sad. Even as a former Puke, I feel sorry for him. I hope he gets a chance to face the Pukes again, since he has a vendetta (justified or not) and I love to see the Pukes lose.

Jeremiah_Johnson
April-15th-2007, 10:52 AM
He'll never be back in the NFL. He's dreaming.

Hell, you could make a case that he never had the skill to be in the NFL to begin with.

But I hope he gets his life in order.

Westbrook36
April-15th-2007, 02:47 PM
I remember when Jerrah made him a second round pick. :laugh:

TonyRomoProBowl
April-15th-2007, 02:53 PM
I remember when Jerrah made him a second round pick. :laugh:

:laugh: I know...I know. I was all behind it. I wont lie, i was right there backing the pick up and drinking the Quinthy kool aid...I once made a 25.00 bet with a Skins fan, that Quinthy would win a playoff game with Dallas before Ramsey won a playoff game with the Skins...Ramsey as a 1st round pick is as bad or worse then Quinthy as a 2nd....ofcourse, we can blame Spurrier for Ramsey, but Quinthy gets all the blame for himself....

Westbrook36
April-15th-2007, 02:58 PM
Be honest. Aren't you a little embarrassed that your owner is your GM and doesn't even hide the facts he is in the warrroom, making the picks? :laugh:

pvkeeper19
April-15th-2007, 03:07 PM
....please make it stop! This has got to be one of the sorriest and saddest stories of a player who should still be in the nfl. I always thought that Carter was a chump when he played but to hit rock bottom like this?
The dude earned everything he got.

Jeremiah_Johnson
April-15th-2007, 04:12 PM
Be honest. Aren't you a little embarrassed that your owner is your GM and doesn't even hide the facts he is in the warrroom, making the picks? :laugh:

Would you rather have your owner locked in a backroom counting his money instead of paying it to the players?

tr1
April-15th-2007, 09:02 PM
Be honest. Aren't you a little embarrassed that your owner is your GM and doesn't even hide the facts he is in the warrroom, making the picks? :laugh:

He's a shrewd judge of talent...well, he was about 16 years ago...

mboyd784
April-15th-2007, 10:02 PM
Who is this guy "Hornbuckle" they keep mentioning?

909997
April-15th-2007, 10:07 PM
good thing jason campbell is a religious 25 year old innocent virgin man.

DWinzit
April-15th-2007, 10:17 PM
Ramsey as a 1st round pick is as bad or worse then Quinthy as a 2nd....ofcourse, we can blame Spurrier for Ramsey, but Quinthy gets all the blame for himself....Actually both owners had a big part in making a splash with these choices in the draft.

The only difference was Ramsey was a legitimate #1 based on all evaluators and mock drafts. The Quince was guesstimated to go in somewhere in rounds 3 to 5. Jerrah just got a bit zealous!

ceviker
April-15th-2007, 10:27 PM
Such a sad story.

I'd say my heart goes out to him, but it really doesn't. Nobody made him smoke weed. Its not like he failed a drug test because he was wrongfully accused. "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

Guess Q didn't realize that.

ceviker
April-15th-2007, 10:28 PM
good thing jason campbell is a religious 25 year old innocent virgin man.

Virgin my ass.

HeHateMe
April-15th-2007, 11:36 PM
He's my backup QB on my AFL2 Fantasy team.

HeHateMe
April-15th-2007, 11:38 PM
I remember when Jerrah made him a second round pick. :laugh:

And I remember the Eagles trading two 2nd round picks to move up 5 spots in the first round to number 7 OVERALL to draft one Mike Mamula.

Westbrook36
April-15th-2007, 11:46 PM
Don't forget....they passed on Warren Sapp to take Mamula. ;)

HeHateMe
April-15th-2007, 11:55 PM
Don't forget....they passed on Warren Sapp to take Mamula. ;)

And I still don't disagree with that. :laugh:

TonyRomoProBowl
April-16th-2007, 04:45 AM
Actually both owners had a big part in making a splash with these choices in the draft.

Yes I know that. I was speaking of Ramseys fall, it is a thought amongst skik fans and some Dallas fans, that he was ruined by Spurrier and thats what i meant by that.


The only difference was Ramsey was a legitimate #1 based on all evaluators and mock drafts. The Quince was guesstimated to go in somewhere in rounds 3 to 5. Jerrah just got a bit zealous!

both were a stretch, but Quinthy was a bigger stretch. I may be wring (its been a while) but i do not remember Ramsey as a "legit 1st rounder"....

DWinzit
April-16th-2007, 05:12 AM
Yes I know that. I was speaking of Ramseys fall, it is a thought amongst skik fans and some Dallas fans, that he was ruined by Spurrier and thats what i meant by that.

both were a stretch, but Quinthy was a bigger stretch. I may be wring (its been a while) but i do not remember Ramsey as a "legit 1st rounder"....I love your spelling of Carters name!:laugh:

Ramsey was listed as a late first round/early second round on all the mock drafts I saw. more early second due to the teams picking at the bottom of the draft were set at the position.

One of my favorite evaluators was Joel Buchsbaum who had him ranked 36 on his early board and 33 on his later board.

For what is worth, I am a firm believer that Spurrior directly and negatively affected Ramsey's career. His lack of knowledge on the NFL blitzing schemes, sending everyone into patterns, no TE to block, the few times he left some one in to protect it was an inexperienced RB all contributed to his demise. Patrick's read and react time got worse because he became accustomed to being blown up before he has a chance to set up.

Heck even Cowboy and Giant fans at work would come in feeling sorry for the poor guy. He was pummeled and it was ugly.

TonyRomoProBowl
April-16th-2007, 05:23 AM
I love your spelling of Carters name!:laugh:

Ramsey was listed as a late first round/early second round on all the mock drafts I saw. more early second due to the teams picking at the bottom of the draft were set at the position.

One of my favorite evaluators was Joel Buchsbaum who had him ranked 36 on his early board and 33 on his later board.

For what is worth, I am a firm believer that Spurrior directly and negatively affected Ramsey's career. His lack of knowledge on the NFL blitzing schemes, sending everyone into patterns, no TE to block, the few times he left some one in to protect it was an inexperienced RB all contributed to his demise. Patrick's read and react time got worse because he became accustomed to being blown up before he has a chance to set up.

Heck even Cowboy and Giant fans at work would come in feeling sorry for the poor guy. He was pummeled and it was ugly.

I hear ya, poor Ramsey was never given a shot to succeed...very sad story. Quinthy on the otherhand is just and all around disaster of sadness. I really REALLY wanted him to succeed.

You prolly remember it more accuratly (sp?) then I do about Ramsey in the draft.

Have a nice day.

TonyRomoProBowl
April-16th-2007, 09:23 AM
Be honest. Aren't you a little embarrassed that your owner is your GM and doesn't even hide the facts he is in the warrroom, making the picks? :laugh:

embarrased by some of his decisions YES...but not is whole body of work. He is the GM of the Dallas Cowboys and I accept that. He has made good decisions and bad...and he has 3 SB rings to show off. As a fan i dont get into all that BS as much as others...but his whole body of work as a GM is not a total embarasment.......Say what you will, but having a bad GM, is far better then having no GM and a man named Cerratto...:laugh:

The Eagles on the otherhand have never ever reached for a draft pick and never made a poor decision? :silly:

Califan007
April-16th-2007, 05:11 PM
Like you, Carter wonders how the hell he got here.
I don't wonder that...

Califan007
April-16th-2007, 05:27 PM
And here's why I don't wonder how QC ended up where he has:

First he says:

""I made some bad decisions, did some stupid things," he says. "I can only point the finger at myself and try to move on. But it's hard being patient. I've got to realize I can't get three years back in one day...If I'd never picked up pot I'd still be playing for the Cowboys," says Carter, who in Dallas routinely quoted Bible verses during interviews. "I have to live with that."



But then he says things like this:

(About losing his grievance against the Cowboys cutting him)
"Look at how it went down. And somehow I lost? I don't know, man, it's just funny. God tells us to forgive and I'm doing my best, but what the Cowboys did to me...it's tough to swallow."


(About the incident in which the police were called to investigate)
"Called to Shady Grove Road in Irving around 5:30 a.m., police found Carter "throwing things around" and arrested him for possessing less than two ounces of pot, a Class B misdemeanor...With charges pending, Carter says only of the incident, "Let's just say the police didn't handle things the right way."


It's the Cowboys' fault. It's the police's fault. He can't believe the way either one has handled the situations he's been in.

He's blaming everyone else for how things have transpired in his life, even as he claims to only point the finger of blame at himself.