Stink says pokes stank in 07, NFL Live

[bubba9497]

Stink and Eric Allen just burst the bubble for poke fans

Stink, says Davis was a huge mistake signing, Columbo an pk player, Flozell isn't any good anymore, and that he shuts down after 3 seconds...


Fact or Fiction:


TO will have more TD catches than drops- all 3 fiction

TO is breaking down, and won't do what he needs to compensate for his eroding physical skills

Eric Allen agreed saying he will take non prime time games off


Romo will be a Pro-Bowl QB in 07- all 3 fiction

Romo won't be a pro-bowl QB, and without a good OL won't have much success

EA said he faded in the end last season, and will come back to earth, plus last season he only made it because it was a down year for NFC QBs

The Pokes win a playoff game in 07 -fiction 2-1

Only Floyd Reese felt the pokes could even make the playoffs

[kevin11]

well, good. I really hoe this is true. I dont like seeing boys fan acting like they are the team again.

[MrFrank]

Thanks Bubba. You and your cousin tr1 are doing a great job today!

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[bubba9497]

Thanks Bubba. You and your cousin tr1 are doing a great job today!

http://www.indelibleinc.com/kubrick/films/strangelove/images/cigar.jpg



you're welcome


BTW I realize poke fans are all related, because all that inbreeding with relatives.... but tr1 isn't related to me... sorry

[MrFrank]

you're welcome


BTW I realize poke fans are all related, because all that inbreeding with relatives.... but tr1 isn't related to me... sorry

Thanks Bubba. Keep up the good work!

http://www.indelibleinc.com/kubrick/films/strangelove/images/cigar.jpg

[skinsn24]

dallas about to snap the ball, theres the snap, OH NO, Romo cant handle it, he is running, run romo run..oh, he just got tackled, pukes lose

[DeMarco Murray 29]

Yup, no reason to play our season now that Eric Allen and Stink said We wont win a playoff game.
Thats what I love about the media. It's all exacttly what you already know ... McNabb goes down ... "The Eagles wont make the playoffs"

But then something miraculous happens

"What a great comeback by Philly, we knew all along Garcia would lead them to the playoffs".

:doh:

In all honesty, I don't see us going any worse then a 9-7 season.

[IrishOrange15]

I am actually all for the "Dallas as being overlooked/undestimated" role. It sure beats having to play teams like Jacksonville and their fans treating it like it's the biggest regular season game in their team history.

And it's not like there's any bias by Schlereth and Allen. Nope, none at all :rolleyes:




YAKUZA

[IrishOrange15]

In all honesty, I don't see us going any worse then a 9-7 season.

Staying relatively healthy, especially on the O-Line and at OLB will be big. I think they can deal with Julius. He's not great, but he's not Eddie George in his twighlight either. And Owens didn't have problems getting open, but problems catching the ball. If his hand is healthy, he should have much less drops.




YAKUZA

[Walking Deadman]

Yep.
I see for the next 3-4 months how "davis is really great" from the cowboys.

[Birdlives]

Thanks Bubba. Keep up the good work! I love coming onto the Redskins message board and reading all the insightful commentary you provide. I may seem completely ego-centric because I dont realize the content you and tr1 provide isn't for us cowboys fans but for the multitudes of Redskins fans this board is actually meant for, but what do you expect from a cowboys fan? Intelligent thought? Your expectations are way too high then.

Fixed that for you.



Disclaimer. This isnt intended for the many respectful, intelligent cowboys fans that actually provide stimulation. You know who you are.

[HeHateMe]

And we all know Redskins fans feel about what the media thinks.

Oh wait, theyre doubting Dallas, now its legit!

[Birdlives]

And we all know Redskins fans feel about what the media thinks.

Oh wait, theyre doubting Dallas, now its legit!



Quite frankly, what did you expect?

Why even waste your time typing the above?

[RW]

It's music to my ears whenever someone says anything bad about those s.o.b.'s in Dallas. :nana:
:dallasuck :dallasuck

[ArmchairRedskin]

We all know the Cowboys are gonna stink in 07. The question is how bad?

[MrFrank]

We all know the Cowboys are gonna stink in 07. The question is how bad?

Define stink please. Do you mean finishing something like 5-11 perhaps?

[M&W]

Stink and Eric Allen both hate the Cowboys, always have, always will

Nothing to see here, move along

[ArmchairRedskin]

Define stink please. Do you mean finishing something like 5-11 perhaps?



Stink means miss the playoffs. By how many games is the question.

[Jeremiah_Johnson]

Stink means miss the playoffs. By how many games is the question.


I guess the bengals stunk last year then? Or the chargers the year before?

Pretty loose definition of stunk if you ask me. I would qualify it as 5-11 or worse.

Now that stinks.:silly:

[tr1]

Stink and Eric Allen just burst the bubble for poke fans

Stink, says Davis was a huge mistake signing, Columbo an pk player, Flozell isn't any good anymore, and that he shuts down after 3 seconds...


Fact or Fiction:


TO will have more TD catches than drops- all 3 fiction

TO is breaking down, and won't do what he needs to compensate for his eroding physical skills

Eric Allen agreed saying he will take non prime time games off


Romo will be a Pro-Bowl QB in 07- all 3 fiction

Romo won't be a pro-bowl QB, and without a good OL won't have much success

EA said he faded in the end last season, and will come back to earth, plus last season he only made it because it was a down year for NFC QBs

The Pokes win a playoff game in 07 -fiction 2-1

Only Floyd Reese felt the pokes could even make the playoffs

The beauty of this is that the melt-down will all happen on national TV...way to go networks!

[ArmchairRedskin]

I guess the bengals stunk last year then? Or the chargers the year before?

Pretty loose definition of stunk if you ask me. I would qualify it as 5-11 or worse.

Now that stinks.:silly:



You miss the playoffs you stink. How hard is that to understand?

[BigDFan5]

wait an ex redskin and ex eagle thinks the cowboys will do poor? NO YOU DONT SAY!!


I do however love all you skins fans getting your hopes up just to be dashed when the Cowboys are in the playoffs again and the Skins are sitting at home.

Watching the meltdown here last season was great this season will be even better

[bubba9497]

I guess the bengals stunk last year then? Or the chargers the year before?

Pretty loose definition of stunk if you ask me. I would qualify it as 5-11 or worse.

Now that stinks.:silly:


mainly referring to your OL


BTW 0-16 misses the playoffs as well :D

[bubba9497]

wait an ex redskin and ex eagle thinks the cowboys will do poor? NO YOU DONT SAY!!


I do however love all you skins fans getting your hopes up just to be dashed when the Cowboys are in the playoffs again and the Skins are sitting at home.

Watching the melydown here last season was great this season will be even better



yeah what they said doesn't matter since they didn't play for Dallas :laugh:


like a broken record with poke fans

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/2958620see20hear20speak20no20evil20.jpg

also :wtf: is a melydown????

[tr1]

wait an ex redskin and ex eagle thinks the cowboys will do poor? NO YOU DONT SAY!!


I do however love all you skins fans getting your hopes up just to be dashed when the Cowboys are in the playoffs again and the Skins are sitting at home.

Watching the melydown here last season was great this season will be even better

Question: Why do you think the pukes would get any love on Skins' board?

And then you go over the line with:

"Watching the melydown here last season was great this season will be even better"

The thread is about the pukes, not the Skins.

And, BTW, when you speak of the Skins around here, show a little ****ing respect.

[bubba9497]

And we all know Redskins fans feel about what the media thinks.

Oh wait, theyre doubting Dallas, now its legit!


geez get something new

how about refuting his arguments... nope can't do that.. so attack the redskin fans, who unlike your boogus generic statement do listen to some media reporters and not others... it depends on the individual reporting


pathetic (BTW where did I agree or disagree with their assessment?... oh wait I didn't... but facts never Did keep a poke fan from actually avoiding the topic now has it)

[MrSilverMaC]

I guess the bengals stunk last year then? Or the chargers the year before?

Pretty loose definition of stunk if you ask me. I would qualify it as 5-11 or worse.

Now that stinks.:silly:


Personally I don't think dallas will finish 5-11, they've already done that more than enough this decade.

[bubba9497]

The thread is about the pukes, not the Skins.
.


See what was said on NFL Live hurt there feelings, but they can't despute it

so........

Cowpoke fan Mantra

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/2958620see20hear20speak20no20evil20.jpg


ignore it, then it didn't happen

when in doubt, make half assed insults about the Redskins... even though the pokes have lost to them 3 out of the last 4 to those lowly Redskins :laugh:

[BigDFan5]

yeah what they said doesn't matter since they didn't play for Dallas :laugh:


like a broken record with poke fans

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/2958620see20hear20speak20no20evil20.jpg

also :wtf: is a melydown????


looking at that picture reminds me of you when discussing other teams, you are just as blind to their talent level as you are to thinking the skins are tops in the division

[BigDFan5]

Question: Why do you think the pukes would get any love on Skins' board?

Where did I say I expect that?


And then you go over the line with:

"Watching the melydown here last season was great this season will be even better"

The thread is about the pukes, not the Skins.

Its a Skins board I am discussing them



And, BTW, when you speak of the Skins around here, show a little ****ing respect.

LMAO why would I? I have no respect for the team, and I am not required by the rules

[M&W]

Cowpoke fan Mantra

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/2958620see20hear20speak20no20evil20.jpg


ignore it it didn't happen

when in doubt, make half assed insults about the Redskins... even though the pokes have lost to them 3 out of the last 4 to those lowly Redskins :laugh:

Your schtick is right below tr1's on the list of things that need to go the way of the dodo bird

It's really sad when someone actually hates a rival more than they love their own team, and yet the vast majority of Skins fans operate in this way.

[tr1]

Your schtick is right below tr1's on the list of things that need to go the way of the dodo bird

It's really sad when someone actually hates a rival more than they love their own team, and yet the vast majority of Skins fans operate in this way.

Bubba posts a news story, and you attack him.

Take a deep breath.

[bubba9497]

looking at that picture reminds me of you when discussing other teams, you are just as blind to their talent level as you are to thinking the skins are tops in the division



:laugh: yeah I am the one who is attacking other teams, and insulting the person who posted the NFL Lives comments, instead of actually addressing their opinions :jerk:



whats you next brilliant retort going to be


"well ummm, yeah ... your momma!"

[M&W]

when in doubt, make half assed insults about the Redskins... even though the pokes have lost to them 3 out of the last 4 to those lowly Redskins

In the last 11 years, Dallas leads the series 17-5. In the all-time series, Dallas leads 55-35-2.

Damn, come on Skins, a little competition every now and then would be nice :laugh:

[bubba9497]

Your schtick is right below tr1's on the list of things that need to go the way of the dodo bird

It's really sad when someone actually hates a rival more than they love their own team, and yet the vast majority of Skins fans operate in this way.

is that why you live on a Redskin message board???


and what exactly does any of this have to do with what NFL Live said????


oh yeah

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/2958620see20hear20speak20no20evil20.jpg

[M&W]

Bubba posts a news story, and you attack him.

Take a deep breath.

And both of you are so obssesed with Dallas that you would rather talk about how much we suck instead of discussing the Redskins. You prove this time and again.

Jerry Jones and company are living virtually rent free inside the spaceous domes of Redskins nation

[tr1]

In the last 11 years, Dallas leads the series 17-5. In the all-time series, Dallas leads 55-35-2.

Damn, come on Skins, a little competition every now and then would be nice :laugh:

I believe we're 3 of the last 4. Does that count as 'every now and then?'

[M&W]

is that why you live on a Redskin message board???

I have been here a few weeks and have 119 posts

I have been on a certain Cowboys board for 4 years and have almost 15,000 posts

Nice try, though :rolleyes:

[M&W]

I believe we're 3 of the last 4. Does that count as 'every now and then?'

In the grand scheme of history? No

[bubba9497]

In the last 11 years, Dallas leads the series 17-5. In the all-time series, Dallas leads 55-35-2.

Damn, come on Skins, a little competition every now and then would be nice :laugh:



you mean like winning a playoff game or two in that span...

oh wait :doh:


again... attack me, attack the Skins, avoid the facts of what the NFL Live people said...

whose schtick is getting old

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/2958620see20hear20speak20no20evil20.jpg

[BigDFan5]

you mean like winning a playoff game or two in that span...

oh wait :doh:


again... attack me, attack the Skins, avoid the facts of what the NFL Live people said...

whose schtick is getting old

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/2958620see20hear20speak20no20evil20.jpg



facts? what facts did NFL Live give? Are their opinions considered facts if you like what they say?

[Alabama Man]

You miss the playoffs you stink. How hard is that to understand?

It's very hard for people to understand. I've learned that much.

[ArmchairRedskin]

In the last 11 years, Dallas leads the series 17-5. In the all-time series, Dallas leads 55-35-2.

Damn, come on Skins, a little competition every now and then would be nice :laugh:



You have won 1 out of the last 4 meetings. You couldn't even sweep us last year when we stunk up the joint. Not to mention that embarassig playoff loss.

[tr1]

Perhaps our puke fan friends can explain why these analysts may have come to these conclusions about the pukes....or maybe they'd like to refute the theories these analysts have put forth.

No. It's easier to hurl insults at Skins fans.

[bubba9497]

In the grand scheme of history? No


in the grand scheme of avoiding reality......


listen if you don't want to deal with what the NFL live people said, don't read it.. and quite wasting our time posting these childish little temper tantrams

and if you don't like "our schtick" go to another teams message board to hang out

all very simple

[tr1]

facts? what facts did NFL Live give? Are their opinions considered facts if you like what they say?

The fact is they gave their opinions...and no one here has taken them on.

Why not give it a try?

[BigDFan5]

The fact is they gave their opinions...and no one here has taken them on.

Why not give it a try?

Umm because I didn't see them?



But the fact is we are coming off a playoff season and have improved our team. The Giants appear weaker without barber, and the Skins are not a playoff team. After the draft the season will come down to Eagles and Cowboys in the playoffs.



As for the TO having more drops than TD's thats possible but I will take 13 Tds and 14 drops next year just like he had this year

[Reic]

facts? what facts did NFL Live give? Are their opinions considered facts if you like what they say?

I am with you on this one, when one states his own opinions about a season that has yet to even happen every word spoken is far from being a "fact".

[M&W]

you mean like winning a playoff game or two in that span...

oh wait :doh:


again... attack me, attack the Skins, avoid the facts of what the NFL Live people said...

whose schtick is getting old

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/2958620see20hear20speak20no20evil20.jpg

All I have to offer is my opinion, and opinion in which you will disregard and claim ownership over me by blindly repeating what stink and Allen said over and over again.

But just for s***s and giggles:

I believe Davis was a very good signing. He will be playing guard, a position he is much more suited for, as he is a bulldozer will exceptional strength and size. His biggest problem was his work ethic, the talent has always been there.

Marco Cloumbo performed at a very high level last year, and will continue to do so. He is a former 1st round pick, so he has the ability, injuries had limited him most of his career however. Now heathly, he is living up to his potential.

Flozell will be what he always has been: A Pro-Bowl caliber LT with subpar speed who loses focus from tieme to time. Hopefully he keeps his mind on the field the wyhole seaosn and avoids injuries, he's still better than the majority of left tackles in the game, as there just arent that many.

If TO catches 13+ TDs again, I really don't care if he has 10-15 drops. His drops didnt keep us from the postseason and wasnt the reason we lost to Seattle.

Romo was a Pro-Bowl QB in his first year with a bad O-Line, why can't he be one in his second year with what will be a better defense and a better line? Doesnt make sense.

We are in the same category as about 8 other teams in the NFC, teams who could either win their division or finish 8-8. The Saints and Bears are the only teams anyone is taking serious note of in the NFC.

[bubba9497]

facts? what facts did NFL Live give? Are their opinions considered facts if you like what they say?


no the fact you are avoiding what they said

why is it so damn difficult for poke fans ever to address the topic when it is something negative about the pokes

that is not a joke... seriously ever single time anything is posted thatdoesn't say the Pokes are the greatest, super bowl bound... the poke swarm attacks everything and everybody, getting their panties in a bunch... but never once addresses the topic about the pokes?

obviously it's because you are afraid the topic is true. You don't have to be a psychology major to figure this one out

[M&W]

You have won 1 out of the last 4 meetings. You couldn't even sweep us last year when we stunk up the joint. Not to mention that embarassig playoff loss.

Washington won on a once in a lifetime series of fluke events, and losing on the road in Seattle by 1 point is hardly "embarassing"

[tr1]

But the fact is we are coming off a playoff season and have improved our team. The Giants appear weaker without barber, and the Skins are not a playoff team. After the draft the season will come down to Eagles and Cowboys in the playoffs.

You say they've improved. Very debatable. You've picked up a slug to play on the o-line...and have another issue there that hasn't been addressed. You have a qb who looked so-so at the end of the season. You have a new coach. A management-by-committee offensive coaching group...and you continue to choke in playoff situations.

You have an average team at best. These analysts are dead on.

[BigDFan5]

no the fact you are avoiding what they said

why is it so damn difficult for poke fans ever to address the topic when it is something negative about the pokes

that is not a joke... seriously ever single time anything is posted thatdoesn't say the Pokes are the greatest, super bowl bound... the poke swarm attacks everything and everybody, getting their panties in a bunch... but never once addresses the topic about the pokes?

obviously it's because you are afraid the topic is true. You don't have to be a psychology major to figure this one out



I didn't hear what they said so there is nothing for me to avoid.

I address plenty of the Cowboys articles, but you are not interested in actual debate, you come on with silly pictures. You bring nothing to the table.

I have no fear that the topic is true because I know how I feel about the season and it will end with us in the playoffs again.

[bubba9497]

I am with you on this one, when one states his own opinions about a season that has yet to even happen every word spoken is far from being a "fact".


that's not what I said



gain... attack me, attack the Skins, avoid the facts of what the NFL Live people said...

I added an "s" on fact by mistake, but still it is obvious I meant the fact he is avoiding what was said on NFL Live


just another lame attempt to get away with the topic

[tr1]

Washington won on a once in a lifetime series of fluke events, and losing on the road in Seattle by 1 point is hardly "embarassing"

No...that hold attempt was embarassing. Damned slick football... :laugh:

[M&W]

You say they've improved. Very debateable.

Only to a serious hater

Leonard Davis is an improvement over Marco Rivera. Period.

Ken Hamlin is a MASSIVE upgrade over the debacle at FS Dallas had last year

The draft will likely upgrade either the secondary or WR position

We didnt lose any major contributers to a playoff team a year ago, why should we not believe we will make the postseason this year?

[Reic]

again... attack me, attack the Skins, avoid the facts of what the NFL Live people said...



Edit: You addressed your mistake.

The message still was not clear, however.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Washington won on a once in a lifetime series of fluke events, and losing on the road in Seattle by 1 point is hardly "embarassing"




Sure it is. A professional QB crying on national tv because he couldn't pull down and hold a football is embarrassing.



Once in a lifetime fluke? Explain.

[bubba9497]

I didn't hear what they said so there is nothing for me to avoid.

I address plenty of the Cowboys articles, but you are not interested in actual debate, you come on with silly pictures. You bring nothing to the table.

I have no fear that the topic is true because I know how I feel about the season and it will end with us in the playoffs again.


uh that's why I posted WHAT THEY SAID

and is what the thread is about

okay you have no fear, it's me who is avoiding debating the topic


Gotcha :thumbsup:



:rotflmao:

[MLSKINS]

I want the Cowboys to go to the playoffs, yes I want the Cowboys to go to the playoffs.

Becasue then if we go we can play them in the playoffs. And hopefully it is the championship game becasue the bigger the pain the more it hurts. But I pray to God that this plan dosen't backfire.

[tr1]

I didn't hear what they said so there is nothing for me to avoid.

I address plenty of the Cowboys articles, but you are not interested in actual debate, you come on with silly pictures. You bring nothing to the table.

I have no fear that the topic is true because I know how I feel about the season and it will end with us in the playoffs again.

And all you have is a big blue point of opinion...no facts, just a false premise based on hope.

Pathetic.

[bubba9497]

You need to edit your posts to fit what you are trying to get across, before you start changing your mind like you didn't say it.

umm yeah

[M&W]

All I have to offer is my opinion, and opinion in which you will disregard and claim ownership over me by blindly repeating what stink and Allen said over and over again.

But just for s***s and giggles:

I believe Davis was a very good signing. He will be playing guard, a position he is much more suited for, as he is a bulldozer will exceptional strength and size. His biggest problem was his work ethic, the talent has always been there.

Marco Cloumbo performed at a very high level last year, and will continue to do so. He is a former 1st round pick, so he has the ability, injuries had limited him most of his career however. Now heathly, he is living up to his potential.

Flozell will be what he always has been: A Pro-Bowl caliber LT with subpar speed who loses focus from tieme to time. Hopefully he keeps his mind on the field the wyhole seaosn and avoids injuries, he's still better than the majority of left tackles in the game, as there just arent that many.

If TO catches 13+ TDs again, I really don't care if he has 10-15 drops. His drops didnt keep us from the postseason and wasnt the reason we lost to Seattle.

Romo was a Pro-Bowl QB in his first year with a bad O-Line, why can't he be one in his second year with what will be a better defense and a better line? Doesnt make sense.

We are in the same category as about 8 other teams in the NFC, teams who could either win their division or finish 8-8. The Saints and Bears are the only teams anyone is taking serious note of in the NFC.

Bueller? Bueller?

:doh:

[Birdlives]

Oh yeah? Well, my daddy can beat up your daddy, so there! :silly:

[ArmchairRedskin]

Only to a serious hater

Leonard Davis is an improvement over Marco Rivera. Period.

Ken Hamlin is a MASSIVE upgrade over the debacle at FS Dallas had last year

The draft will likely upgrade either the secondary or WR position

We didnt lose any major contributers to a playoff team a year ago, why should we not believe we will make the postseason this year?


New head coach. Lax atmosphere

Davis is a turnstile. He allows more sacks than should be legally allowed.

Hamlin is aight, but nothing to write home about and Romo is the sensitive type. He'll falter because last year will play over and over in his mind. :laugh:

[BigDFan5]

You say they've improved. Very debateable.


Not really its not, if you are honest

Hamlin > Watkins as a rook and Davis

Davis at Guard BIG > Injured Rivera

No debate



You've picked up a slug to play on the o-line...

Picked up a guy who was a pro bowl alternate as a guard according to coaches and players, he was also alternate last season thanks to the coaches and players vote


and have another issue there that hasn't been addressed.

No we dont.....



You have a qb who looked so-so at the end of the season.

also known as a QB who played 10 games in his career and made the pro bowl. I am sure you a Redskins fan banking on a young player to improve at QB can understand thinking a young Qb will do better


You have a new coach.

Which has enegergized the team and will install his defensive style which is pretty damn good to our 34


A management-by-committee offensive coaching group...

We have no such thing



and you continue to choke in playoff situations.
Has nothing to do with this coming season



You have an average team at best. These analysts are dead on.

If by average you mean playoff bound again maybe, otherwise you are going to be disappointed

[BigDFan5]

uh that's why I posted WHAT THEY SAID

No bubba you posted parts of what they said. I see no word for word transcription. I dont post on opinions I didnt hear


and is what the thread is about

and what I am disucssing


okay you have no fear, it's me who is avoiding debating the topic

Not avoiding anything you wanna talk football I am your guy, if you want me to get in to a debate over something I didnt hear sorry

[tr1]

Only to a serious hater

Ahhhh...the love...


Leonard Davis is an improvement over Marco Rivera. Period.

In size? Yup. The fact is Davis is now the most overpaid lump of protoplasm to dawn a puke uniform. He's such an underachiever, the CARDINALS were happy to get rid of him. :laugh:


Ken Hamlin is a MASSIVE upgrade over the debacle at FS Dallas had last year Upgrade? Perhaps...but that doesn't make the defensive backfield superior...try to be objective.


The draft will likely upgrade either the secondary or WR position Unless you're in the top five, don't expect a rookie to help you until late in the season or next year.


We didnt lose any major contributers to a playoff team a year ago, why should we not believe we will make the postseason this year? You lost Bill Parcells. Good luck with Wade.

[tr1]

Not avoiding anything you wanna talk football I am your guy, if you want me to get in to a debate over something I didnt hear sorry

Then WHY are you in this thread?

[BigDFan5]

And all you have is a big blue point of opinion...no facts, just a false premise based on hope.

Pathetic.

an opinion is what this entire thread is based on. An opinion is everything you say about the Cowboys everyday. You have no facts just a false premise based on false burgandy hope

[M&W]

New head coach. Lax atmosphere

That really hurt the Saints last year :rolleyes:


Davis is a turnstile. He allows more sacks than should be legally allowed.

Davis actually allowed fewer sacks last year than Jonathan Ogden and Chris Samuels and only two more than Willie Anderson


Hamlin is aight, but nothing to write home about and Romo is the sensitive type. He'll falter because last year will play over and over in his mine. :laugh:

Romo is actually an exceptional leader by all accounts from his college days as well as his teammates.

It takes a big man to step up to the podium in fron of God and everyone and assume full responsibility for blowing an NFL playoff game on one play.

[HeHateMe]

geez get something new

how about refuting his arguments... nope can't do that.. so attack the redskin fans, who unlike your boogus generic statement do listen to some media reporters and not others... it depends on the individual reporting


pathetic (BTW where did I agree or disagree with their assessment?... oh wait I didn't... but facts never Did keep a poke fan from actually avoiding the topic now has it)

Allen and Schlereth's opinions dont need to be addressed.

I'll write 'em off as you do Peter King's.

[M&W]

So bubba asks for analysis, then when I give it, he runs like a coward

Rich :rolleyes:

[BigDFan5]

New head coach. Lax atmosphere

opinion based on nothing


Davis is a turnstile. He allows more sacks than should be legally allowed.
Just a quick quiz how many sacks has Davis allowed in each of the last 5 years?



Hamlin is aight, but nothing to write home about

AKA improvement



and Romo is the sensitive type. He'll falter because last year will play over and over in his mind.

wishful thinking

[BigDFan5]

Then WHY are you in this thread?


debating football and watching you troll

[HeHateMe]

You have won 1 out of the last 4 meetings. You couldn't even sweep us last year when we stunk up the joint. Not to mention that embarassig playoff loss.

Embarassing? We were underdogs on the road at one of the most difficult places to play.

And lost on an extremely freak play.

Disappointing based on the fact we shouldve won? Sure.

But embarrasing? Hardly.

[bubba9497]

Only to a serious hater

Leonard Davis is an improvement over Marco Rivera. Period.

Ken Hamlin is a MASSIVE upgrade over the debacle at FS Dallas had last year

The draft will likely upgrade either the secondary or WR position

We didnt lose any major contributers to a playoff team a year ago, why should we not believe we will make the postseason this year?

okay, here's the tough part

why?

Why is Davis an upgrade, because he sure wasn't any good in arizonia, and is considered by most as a classic underachieving bust. So he is now going to the worst OL in the NFC East the past few years running, is now going to suddenly become the next Larry Allen... no better than Larry Allen based on what Jerrah paid him

And if Hamlin is so good, why didn't any other team sign him for a month after free agency, when many teams have a need at safety, including the team he left? The pokes didn't through money at him like they did Davis.


So because Dallas choked down the stretch again last year, couldn't beat the Lions to win the division, and lost again in the playoffs... they should be playooff contenders again, despite several coaching changes HC, OC (with hardly any NFL coaching experience, and zero play calling experience), and DC
and and some player turnover

Hell the Skins went 10-6 and a playoff win in '05, few changes in the starting lineup, but a change in the OC to stumble in '06

what makes the pokes different? besides you say so that is

[HeHateMe]

Perhaps our puke fan friends can explain why these analysts may have come to these conclusions about the pukes....or maybe they'd like to refute the theories these analysts have put forth.

No. It's easier to hurl insults at Skins fans.

When these "analysts" draw similar conclusions about the Redskins, they are written off as haters.

Why can't we then do the same?

[MLSKINS]

Has nothing to do with this coming season

Man this is stupid, you all choking in the playoffs has everything to do with next season. Whats the point of keep on having a birthday party and get no gifts. You all have not on a playoff game in 10 years. The only thing that Cowboys fans are so happy is becasue they keep on beating up on the Redskins. But that is all over since we won the last 3 out of 4. So what are you going to be proud now?

[bubba9497]

debating football and watching you troll


you aren't debating football, you are bitching about the Redskins, and complaining

BTW explain how tr1 is trolling, opposed to you, who has added nothing of merit to this thread, and most of your posts have insult towards me, tr1, or the Redskins... not to mention you're a poke fan on a Redskin board to boot?

[tr1]

Also, why does Wade rock everybody's boat. He's horrible in the playoffs as a head coach. In fact, he's a horrible head coach, but a good assistant (see Turner, Norv)

If I were a puke fan, I'd be worried or at least concerned that all of the changes could result in a disaster. That's being objective.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Embarassing? We were underdogs on the road at one of the most difficult places to play.

And lost on an extremely freak play.

Disappointing based on the fact we shouldve won? Sure.

But embarrasing? Hardly.



Your QB cried because he couldn't pull down the snap. Embarrassing. :)

[BigDFan5]

Man this is stupid, you all choking in the playoffs has everything to do with next season. Whats the point of keep on having a birthday party and get no gifts. You all have not on a playoff game in 10 years. The only thing that Cowboys fans are so happy is becasue they keep on beating up on the Redskins. But that is all over since we won the last 3 out of 4. So what are you going to be proud now?

last year has no bearing on this year, just as 1977 and 1992 have no bearing on this year.

Serious question with Skins fans when discussing their record against Dallas why so selective with year. Now you always use the last 2 years. Use 1 year and we are 1-1 use the 3 years Gibbs has been back and it is 3-3 but for some reason you only use 2 years. Well in that case can I use the past 10 years?

[tr1]

When these "analysts" draw similar conclusions about the Redskins, they are written off as haters.

Why can't we then do the same?

Unlike you, your brethren in this thread attacked bubba, not the commentators.

Take a quick look back...

That's what's objectionable.

[ArmchairRedskin]

opinion based on nothing


Just a quick quiz how many sacks has Davis allowed in each of the last 5 years?

A bunch. For instance he allowed 8 just last year. :)

[BigDFan5]

you aren't debating football, you are bitching about the Redskins, and complaining

I havent made one complaint and you can read my posts again if you like but I am discussing the Cowboys upcoming season



BTW explain how tr1 is trolling,

:laugh:



opposed to you, who has added nothing of merit to this thread,

except for an opinion about the Cowboys who the thread is about


and most of your posts have insult towards me, tr1, or the Redskins... not to mention you're a poke fan on a Redskin board to boot?

Where have I insulted you or tr1? Hell where did I insult the redskins?

[ArmchairRedskin]

That really hurt the Saints last year :rolleyes:



Davis actually allowed fewer sacks last year than Jonathan Ogden and Chris Samuels and only two more than Willie Anderson


Samuels allowed 4 sacks last year. You really need to stop trying to argue with me. It's getting silly the way you always lose.

[M&W]

Also, why does Wade rock everybody's boat. He's horrible in the playoffs as a head coach. In fact, he's a horrible head coach, but a good assistant (see Turner, Norv)

If I were a puke fan, I'd be worried or at least concerned that all of the changes could result in a disaster. That's being objective.

And the Redskins are already a disaster, what's your point?

Glass houses, my friend...

[bubba9497]

When these "analysts" draw similar conclusions about the Redskins, they are written off as haters.

Why can't we then do the same?


yeah that is what happens

I mean no skin fan every disagrees and actually gives reasons why the disagree... plus we go onto a poke message board to do it as well


:laugh:

reading this thread is is like listening to a debate with first graders :doh:

[MLSKINS]

last year has no bearing on this year, just as 1977 and 1992 have no bearing on this year.

Serious question with Skins fans when discussing their record against Dallas why so selective with year. Now you always use the last 2 years. Use 1 year and we are 1-1 use the 3 years Gibbs has been back and it is 3-3 but for some reason you only use 2 years. Well in that case can I use the past 10 years?

Who won the Super Bowl 5 years ago, and look at them now. Teams change.

The reason I only go back two years is becasue those two teams rosters in 05 are pretty much the same that they were in 06.

[HeHateMe]

Your QB cried because he couldn't pull down the snap. Embarrassing. :)

He was upset. As he shouldve been.

If he just shrugged it off and didnt care, then I'd have actually been concerned.

[tr1]

And the Redskins are already a disaster, what's your point?

Glass houses, my friend...

Golly, are we talking about the Skins. Did I forget to mention they stunk last year. Now, are you feeling better?

Of course, the pukes stunk in the post-season again.

[ArmchairRedskin]

He was upset. As he shouldve been.

If he just shrugged it off and didnt care, then I'd have actually been concerned.



He's sensitive. It'll stay with him. You should be worried.

[tr1]

Where have I insulted you or tr1? Hell where did I insult the redskins?

You're not serious, are you? :doh:

[M&W]

Your QB cried because he couldn't pull down the snap. Embarrassing. :)

And your QB once kicked Parys Haralson in the head. Even more embarrassing.

[bubba9497]

Samuels allowed 4 sacks last year. You really need to stop trying to argue with me. It's getting silly the way you always lose.


and only 1 each of the previous two years, and was rated the MOST EFFICENT lineman in the NFL in2005 by KC Joyner


but again what does any of that have to do with what NFL Live said about the Pokes... not a damn thing

[HeHateMe]

Unlike you, your brethren in this thread attacked bubba, not the commentators.

Take a quick look back...

That's what's objectionable.

I'm simply addressing Bubba's inquiry as to why I wont retort Allen and Schlereth.

I havent been reading most of the back and forth unrelated my posts.

[BigDFan5]

A bunch. For instance he allowed 8 just last year. :)


8 for a left tackle is not bad. Walter Jones who some call the best LT in the league gave up 10.

8 is also the most he ever gave up which I am sure you are aware.

At guard he gave up 4 iirc

[M&W]

Golly, are we talking about the Skins. Did I forget to mention they stunk last year. Now, are you feeling better?

Of course, the pukes stunk in the post-season again.

Just seems silly for a fan of a perenial bottom-dweller to be throwing punches at a team who made the postseason

[HeHateMe]

yeah that is what happens

I mean no skin fan every disagrees and actually gives reasons why the disagree... plus we go onto a poke message board to do it as well


:laugh:

reading this thread is is like listening to a debate with first graders :doh:

Theres quite a few Redskins fans that post regularly on CowboysZone.com.

Just because you dont, doesnt mean it doesnt occur.

[ArmchairRedskin]

And your QB once kicked Parys Haralson in the head. Even more embarrassing.



I don't remember any Redskins QB kicking any Parys Haralson in the head. Where do you come up with this stuff? You're one of the most ignorant Cowboys posters I've ever come across :laugh:

[tr1]

8 for a left tackle is not bad. Walter Jones who some call the best LT in the league gave up 10.

8 is also the most he ever gave up which I am sure you are aware.

At guard he gave up 4 iirc

In his unrestricted FA year upcoming, he should have played lights out...instead, the team sank.

Trust me, that cash is not gonna make him play any harder...

[HeHateMe]

He's sensitive. It'll stay with him. You should be worried.

We shall see.

But I'm not too concerned.

He's a big boy.

[M&W]

Samuels allowed 4 sacks last year. You really need to stop trying to argue with me. It's getting silly the way you always lose.

Okay, I stand corrected. Davis allowed 8 sacks last year, and I thought I remember Samuels giving up 9

Nevertheless, an impressive number for a guy who "gives up more sacks than should be legally allowed"

[BigDFan5]

Who won the Super Bowl 5 years ago, and look at them now. Teams change.

The reason I only go back two years is becasue those two teams rosters in 05 are pretty much the same that they were in 06.


But they arent really the same are they? both have new QB's

We have different WR

You have 2 diff WR etc etc.

The teams are different.

Are you sure it isnt because if you go back 3 years the record favoring the Skins is not as good?

[tr1]

Just seems silly for a fan of a perenial bottom-dweller to be throwing punches at a team who made the postseason

We were in the playoffs two years ago and WON a playoff game.

Try to stay informed.

[BigDFan5]

You're not serious, are you? :doh:

Of course I am. Is it because I called you troll? OM stated you were a "classic troll" You didnt jump on him

[ArmchairRedskin]

8 for a left tackle is not bad. Walter Jones who some call the best LT in the league gave up 10.

8 is also the most he ever gave up which I am sure you are aware.

At guard he gave up 4 iirc




Does it matter that it's the most he ever gave up? What makes you think his fat lazy butt is gonna do any better in Dallas? He just got paid. He's not driven. I mean, the effing Cardinals let him walk. I think their line coach would have kept him around were he any good.

[tr1]

Okay, I stand corrected. Davis allowed 8 sacks last year, and I thought I remember Samuels giving up 9

Nevertheless, an impressive number for a guy who "gives up more sacks than should be legally allowed"

Ah, facts....they're a nusance aren't they? You need to be careful before you post an error like this....it hurts your credibility.

[M&W]

I don't remember any Redskins QB kicking any Parys Haralson in the head. Where do you come up with this stuff? You're one of the most ignorant Cowboys posters I've ever come across :laugh:

2004 SEC chmapionship game, Auburn vs Tennessee. Tennessee DE Parys Haralson hits Jason Campbell just as he releases the ball, resulting in an incomplete one-hopper. As both are laying on the ground, Campbell kicks Haralson in the side of the helmet with his cleat. Haralson retaliates with a shove once both are upright. Offsetting personal fouls are exchanged.

[BigDFan5]

In his unrestricted FA year upcoming, he should have played lights out...instead, the team sank.

Trust me, that cash is not gonna make him play any harder...


he played ok out of position at LT, he will play well at RG where he does not have to worry about speed rushers

[M&W]

We were in the playoffs two years ago and WON a playoff game.

Try to stay informed.

Someone fire up the delorean :rolleyes:

[BigDFan5]

Okay, I stand corrected. Davis allowed 8 sacks last year, and I thought I remember Samuels giving up 9

Nevertheless, an impressive number for a guy who "gives up more sacks than should be legally allowed"


Davis gave up 8 last year

[bubba9497]

Where have I insulted you or tr1? Hell where did I insult the redskins?



I do however love all you skins fans getting your hopes up just to be dashed when the Cowboys are in the playoffs again and the Skins are sitting at home.

Watching the meltdown here last season was great this season will be even better


looking at that picture reminds me of you when discussing other teams, you are just as blind to their talent level as you are to thinking the skins are tops in the division



I address plenty of the Cowboys articles, but you are not interested in actual debate, you come on with silly pictures. You bring nothing to the table.



You have no facts just a false premise based on false burgandy hope


debating football and watching you troll

[M&W]

Davis gave up 8 last year

I know, thus the number "8" in my post

[tr1]

2004 SEC chmapionship game, Auburn vs Tennessee. Tennessee DE Parys Haralson hits Jason Campbell just as he releases the ball, resulting in an incomplete one-hopper. As both are laying on the ground, Campbell kicks Haralson in the side of the helmet with his cleat. Haralson retaliates with a shove once both are upright. Offsetting personal fouls are exchanged.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This is a keeper...and you typed this with all sincerety, didn't you.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[bubba9497]

2004 SEC chmapionship game, Auburn vs Tennessee. Tennessee DE Parys Haralson hits Jason Campbell just as he releases the ball, resulting in an incomplete one-hopper. As both are laying on the ground, Campbell kicks Haralson in the side of the helmet with his cleat. Haralson retaliates with a shove once both are upright. Offsetting personal fouls are exchanged.

being a huge Tennessee fan, and watched that game I don't remember Campbell cleating a Vol in the head

[MLSKINS]

But they arent really the same are they? both have new QB's

We have different WR

You have 2 diff WR etc etc.

The teams are different.

Are you sure it isnt because if you go back 3 years the record favoring the Skins is not as good?
PHILOSIPHY

We still pound the ball and try to catch people off guard with a deep pass. And on defense we still blitzed our tails off. (But it didn't work)

You all still play pretty good defense (that 3-4 is pretty solid). On offense your QB was still slow until they changed him to a quaterback becasue your O-Line still sucked from 05.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Okay, I stand corrected. Davis allowed 8 sacks last year, and I thought I remember Samuels giving up 9

Nevertheless, an impressive number for a guy who "gives up more sacks than should be legally allowed"



If that's impressive to you then I'm sure you'll be pleased as punch when he gives up 9 or 10 next year.

[M&W]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This is a keeper...and you typed this with all sincerety, don't you.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Laughing didn't make the bobbled snap go away, either....trust me :(

[BigDFan5]

Does it matter that it's the most he ever gave up?

Yes just as it matters that he was playing out of position


What makes you think his fat lazy butt is gonna do any better in Dallas?

First because he will be played at the position where he did very well



He just got paid. He's not driven. I mean, the effing Cardinals let him walk. I think their line coach would have kept him around were he any good

The Cards wanted him back

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/85188


Whisenhunt remains hopeful the Cardinals still have a chance to bring back another of the Cards’ own free agents, tackle Leonard Davis, who visited the Redskins Saturday after going to Dallas Friday. .


Whisenhunt reiterated the Cardinals have to feel “comfortable” with any contract with Davis, but he added “we wanted to make it clear we wanted an opportunity to talk with him should he get an offer.”

[M&W]

If that's impressive to you then I'm sure you'll be pleased as punch when he gives up 9 or 10 next year.

8 sacks = 1 every other game

That's not bad for a LT

[Birdlives]

I for one am shocked that anyone, especially Bubba and tr1, would post negative comments about the dallas cowboys here on this Washington Redskins message board.

It amazes me that every single member of this message board that roots for the Washington Redskins isn't at the very least, completely impartial, if not downright complimentary about the dallas cowboys. I mean really, I just can't believe it.

I've been posting in here for about a year now and it still amazes me that those true blue cowboys fans and their team can't get a fair shake in here on this Washington Redskins message board. What's even more shocking is that those dallas cowboys fans who post in here regularly have spent so much time in here and still haven't figured it out. I for one am outraged and truly believe that we, as Washington Redskins fans should give those dallas cowboys and their incredibly impartial and intelligent fans their due. And then monkeys flew out of my butt.

Seriously, you cowboys fans bang your heads against a wall over and over, and then expect any of us to take you seriously. Just too funny.

[ArmchairRedskin]

2004 SEC chmapionship game, Auburn vs Tennessee. Tennessee DE Parys Haralson hits Jason Campbell just as he releases the ball, resulting in an incomplete one-hopper. As both are laying on the ground, Campbell kicks Haralson in the side of the helmet with his cleat. Haralson retaliates with a shove once both are upright. Offsetting personal fouls are exchanged.



So at what point does this involve the Redskins? Even if it were true it still doesn't make your statement true.

I'd have to research teh matter because you aren't a guy who can easily comprehend things. You've proven that much to me in a really short time.

[BigDFan5]

....


There were no insults there.

[MLSKINS]

2004 SEC chmapionship game, Auburn vs Tennessee. Tennessee DE Parys Haralson hits Jason Campbell just as he releases the ball, resulting in an incomplete one-hopper. As both are laying on the ground, Campbell kicks Haralson in the side of the helmet with his cleat. Haralson retaliates with a shove once both are upright. Offsetting personal fouls are exchanged.
Man you can't talk about dirty events by players as long as Roy "Horse Collar" Williams is still on your team. Oh yes Sean Taylor did spit in somebody face ONE TIME. Roy horse collars every week. He probaly horse collars Kelly Rowland in her sleep.

[ArmchairRedskin]

8 sacks = 1 every other game

That's not bad for a LT



You keep repeating that to yourself. Maybe a blanket and pacifier will help?

[M&W]

So at what point does this involve the Redskins.

It simply puts things in perspective

[bubba9497]

So bubba asks for analysis, then when I give it, he runs like a coward

Rich :rolleyes:


hit your refresh button once in awhile skippy :rolleyes:


BTW, just saying you think so.. ( then adding...period) isn't actually considered an acceptable response in a debate

[BigDFan5]

If that's impressive to you then I'm sure you'll be pleased as punch when he gives up 9 or 10 next year.


Wanna make a bet on an over / under number of sacks given up by Davis?

over or under 9


I take the under


Whats the terms?

[ArmchairRedskin]

By the way, wasn't Campbell the MVP of that Championship game? I'm really embarrassed by that :laugh:

[Birdlives]

Whisenhunt remains hopeful the Cardinals still have a chance to bring back another of the Cards’ own free agents, tackle Leonard Davis, who visited the Redskins Saturday after going to Dallas Friday. .


Whisenhunt reiterated the Cardinals have to feel “comfortable” with any contract with Davis, but he added “we wanted to make it clear we wanted an opportunity to talk with him should he get an offer.”


and just before these comments:

"Whisenhunt chuckled when he noted that the money Davis will end up with probably won’t be far off the $11 million the Cards didn’t want to give Davis this season had they used their franchise tag."

:dance:

[ArmchairRedskin]

Wanna make a bet on an over / under number of sacks given up by Davis?

over or under 9


I take the under


Whats the terms?



:laugh:

[tr1]

Whisenhunt reiterated the Cardinals have to feel “comfortable” with any contract with Davis, but he added “we wanted to make it clear we wanted an opportunity to talk with him should he get an offer.”

Now, that's a real desire to re-sign the guy. :laugh: :laugh:

Shall I dig up some stories about the Cardinal's owner and his feelings about 'Big'.

Very funny research, BDF... :laugh:

[M&W]

You keep repeating that to yourself. Maybe a blanket and pacifier will help?

You're the one curled up in the fetal position, hoping, praying, that Dallas bombs next year, because you know it's the only way you will get any satisfaction out of the 2007 NFL season

I'm not worried at all. I have full confidence that with improved defensive blitzing packages, which Wade brings, that Dallas will return to the postseason this year. You cannot say the same about your team, so you mock mine.

[BigDFan5]

I for one am shocked that anyone, especially Bubba and tr1, would post negative comments about the dallas cowboys here on this Washington Redskins message board.

It amazes me that every single member of this message board that roots for the Washington Redskins isn't at the very least, completely impartial, if not downright complimentary about the dallas cowboys. I mean really, I just can't believe it.

I've been posting in here for about a year now and it still amazes me that those true blue cowboys fans and their team can't get a fair shake in here on this Washington Redskins message board. What's even more shocking is that those dallas cowboys fans who post in here regularly have spent so much time in here and still haven't figured it out. I for one am outraged and truly believe that we, as Washington Redskins fans should give those dallas cowboys and their incredibly impartial and intelligent fans their due. And then monkeys flew out of my butt.

Seriously, you cowboys fans bang your heads against a wall over and over, and then expect any of us to take you seriously. Just too funny.


where did someone complain about the Cowboys not getting a fair shake, or any of the stuff you posted?

[bubba9497]

There were no insults there.



:laugh:

okay whatever

[Birdlives]

Wanna make a bet on an over / under number of sacks given up by Davis?

over or under 9


I take the under


Whats the terms?

Cool, how about we also bet that TO gets 5,000 yards this coming year.

I'll take the under.

:rolleyes:

[M&W]

hit your refresh button once in awhile skippy :rolleyes:


BTW, just saying you think so.. ( then adding...period) isn't actually considered an acceptable response in a debate


I believe Davis was a very good signing. He will be playing guard, a position he is much more suited for, as he is a bulldozer will exceptional strength and size. His biggest problem was his work ethic, the talent has always been there.

Marco Cloumbo performed at a very high level last year, and will continue to do so. He is a former 1st round pick, so he has the ability, injuries had limited him most of his career however. Now heathly, he is living up to his potential.

Flozell will be what he always has been: A Pro-Bowl caliber LT with subpar speed who loses focus from tieme to time. Hopefully he keeps his mind on the field the wyhole seaosn and avoids injuries, he's still better than the majority of left tackles in the game, as there just arent that many.

If TO catches 13+ TDs again, I really don't care if he has 10-15 drops. His drops didnt keep us from the postseason and wasnt the reason we lost to Seattle.

Romo was a Pro-Bowl QB in his first year with a bad O-Line, why can't he be one in his second year with what will be a better defense and a better line? Doesnt make sense.

We are in the same category as about 8 other teams in the NFC, teams who could either win their division or finish 8-8. The Saints and Bears are the only teams anyone is taking serious note of in the NFC.

Go

[BigDFan5]

and just before these comments:

"Whisenhunt chuckled when he noted that the money Davis will end up with probably won’t be far off the $11 million the Cards didn’t want to give Davis this season had they used their franchise tag."

:dance:



Still said he wanted him back.


and Davis' deal is nowhere NEAR 11 million for one year which is what the tag would have cost

[ArmchairRedskin]

You're the one curled up in the fetal position, hoping, praying, that Dallas bombs next year, because you know it's the only way you will get any satisfaction out of the 2007 NFL season

I'm not worried at all. I have full confidence that with improved defensive blitzing packages, which Wade brings, that Dallas will return to the postseason this year. You cannot say the same about your team, so you mock mine.



I'm in the fetal position, huh? Man you have some imagination there. Goes hand in hand with comparing that nobody from wherever and saying he was a more TALENTED RECEIVER than JERRY RICE! :laugh:



My team will be back. Of course I can say that about mine. This thread, however, isn't about my team, is it? Try to keep up.

[BigDFan5]

:laugh:


Seriously you stated he give up 9-10 I am willing to bet ya name the bet

[Birdlives]

where did someone complain about the Cowboys not getting a fair shake, or any of the stuff you posted?

Only every day and with every moment you guys come into threads like these on the Redskins message board and act shocked that the cowboys are given negative press around here or that some members of this board might be skewed towards the Redskins as opposed to the cowboys.

[BigDFan5]

Now, that's a real desire to re-sign the guy. :laugh: :laugh:

Shall I dig up some stories about the Cardinal's owner and his feelings about 'Big'.

Very funny research, BDF... :laugh:

yes you should.


Funny that the coach wanted to re-sign him just as I said? It is hilarious to watch you spin yes

[tr1]

There were no insults there.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :doh:

[BigDFan5]

:laugh:

okay whatever



:cheers: :laugh:

[Alabama Man]

Let's all agree to disagree. It bothers you that neither has a chance.

[tr1]

yes you should.


Funny that the coach wanted tgo re-sign him just as I said? It is hilarious to watch you spin yes

That coach wasn't there last year. Let's ask Dennis and the Cards' fans how they felt about Big.

Come on...do a little reading about the guy.

[bubba9497]

Oh yeah? Well, my daddy can beat up your daddy, so there! :silly:

:doh: this is what every freaking thread turns into when it is about the pokes (that isn't saying they are the greatest of all time, that is)

[Birdlives]

Still said he wanted him back.


and Davis' deal is nowhere NEAR 11 million for one year which is what the tag would have cost

For the right price, yes. For the wrong price (i.e. 49mil), no.

[BigDFan5]

Cool, how about we also bet that TO gets 5,000 yards this coming year.

I'll take the under.

:rolleyes:


He was the one that said Davis would give up 9-10 sacks next year. I just wanted him to have faith in his own words and bet me.

Hell I will drop the number to 7.5

[ArmchairRedskin]

Seriously you stated he give up 9-10 I am willing to bet ya name the bet



Really, I predicted that ?

[BigDFan5]

Only every day and with every moment you guys come into threads like these on the Redskins message board and act shocked that the cowboys are given negative press around here or that some members of this board might be skewed towards the Redskins as opposed to the cowboys. Dont play dumb, it suits you too well.



Have some links to exapmles? I am never shocked by tr1 or bubba NEVER

[BigDFan5]

That coach wasn't there last year. Let's ask Dennis and the Cards' fans how they felt about Big.

Come on...do a little reading about the guy.


The guy said the coach didnt want him I showed the coach did case closed.

[Birdlives]

Have some links to exapmles? I am never shocked by tr1 or bubba NEVER

And yet you continue to debate them, month after month. Oh, and sorry about the dumb comment, that was out of line.

[MLSKINS]

He was the one that said Davis would give up 9-10 sacks next year. I just wanted him to have faith in his own words and bet me.

Hell I will drop the number to 7.5
I'll take that bet.

He plays in the same division as Krease, Strahan, Ummenorya (sp) and Carter TWICE. That is about 3-4 right there. Then the Bears, Patriots, and Dolphins, thats like three more.

[BigDFan5]

For the right price, yes. For the wrong price (i.e. 49mil), no.



Cards who are notoriously cheap wouldnt pay 49 million for Peyton Manning, but the Redskins made an offer, and The Giants were offereing more according to reports so seems obvious the price was not wrong

[M&W]

I'm in the fetal position, huh?

Yes

You and I both know that Washington will not be a factor in the 2007 season. Whether or not you think Dallas will be is your perogative, and really isnt even the point.

The point is, you, and many like you, get some sort of deep-seeded satisfaction from knocking the Cowboys non-stop and are desperately trying to convince yourself why they will suck. Romo will never recover, TO will explode, the O-line sucks, the defense sucks, the coaches suck, etc., etc., etc.

For every problem you can name for the Cowboys, I can name 10 for the Redskins, but I don't, instead sticking, for the most part, to disputing your position on the Cowboys. Why? Because while I enjoy watching Washington fail, it doesnt bring me any sort of happiness or joy in the long run. When Dallas beats Washington, I revel in it for a week, talk some smack, then move on to the next team. Washington fans are STILL crowing about that 2005 game on Monday night.

[BigDFan5]

Really, I predicted that ?


Did you or did you not say




If that's impressive to you then I'm sure you'll be pleased as punch when he gives up 9 or 10 next year.

[desioreo87]

Bubba I love you as a skins fan cause you pull out all the stops in proving your point and refuting others. However a lot of times you can be hypocritical and it is really really annoying. Love your undying support of the redskins but every once in a while it wouldn't kill you to be a little objective.

And for the record the Cowboys will suck next year, in the words of Ron Burgundy "Its science."

[M&W]

Still wating, bubba

[Birdlives]

Yes

You and I both know that Washington will not be a factor in the 2007 season. Whether or not you think Dallas will be is your perogative, and really isnt even the point.

The point is, you, and many like you, get some sort of deep-seeded satisfaction from knocking the Cowboys non-stop and are desperately trying to convince yourself why they will suck. Romo will never recover, TO will explode, the O-line sucks, the defense sucks, the coaches suck, etc., etc., etc.

For every problem you can name for the Cowboys, I can name 10 for the Redskins, but I don't, instead sticking, for the most part, to disputing your position on the Cowboys. Why? Because while I enjoy watching Washington fail, it doesnt bring me any sort of happiness or joy in the long run. When Dallas beats Washington, I revel in it for a week, talk some smack, then move on to the next team. Washington fans are STILL crowing about that 2005 game on Monday night.

Allright Skippy, go ahead and name ten.

[tr1]

but the Redskins made an offer

Link please. This is not likely true. But if you have some documentation, I'd like to see it.

[BigDFan5]

And yet you continue to debate them, month after month. Oh, and sorry about the dumb comment, that was out of line.


I like to debate my team. But if you notice I havent posted much lately just read because it becomes tedious responding to the same things repeatedly



As for the comment no prob you are ok with me :cheers:

[tr1]

The guy said the coach didnt want him I showed the coach did case closed.

Ah, those pesky owners and fans...what do they know...

[BigDFan5]

I'll take that bet.

He plays in the same division as Krease, Strahan, Ummenorya (sp) and Carter TWICE. That is about 3-4 right there. Then the Bears, Patriots, and Dolphins, thats like three more.


name the terms



and yes he plays in the division withj those guys but will not be assigned to blocking any of them, they are all DE's Guards block DTs a majorty of the time

[ArmchairRedskin]

Yes

You and I both know that Washington will not be a factor in the 2007 season. Whether or not you think Dallas will be is your perogative, and really isnt even the point.

The point is, you, and many like you, get some sort of deep-seeded satisfaction from knocking the Cowboys non-stop and are desperately trying to convince yourself why they will suck. Romo will never recover, TO will explode, the O-line sucks, the defense sucks, the coaches suck, etc., etc., etc.

For every problem you can name for the Cowboys, I can name 10 for the Redskins, but I don't, instead sticking, for the most part, to disputing your position on the Cowboys. Why? Because while I enjoy watching Washington fail, it doesnt bring me any sort of happiness or joy in the long run. When Dallas beats Washington, I revel in it for a week, talk some smack, then move on to the next team. Washington fans are STILL crowing about that 2005 game on Monday night.




You really try too hard, dude. Especially considering your fail rate. You should regroup.

None of that tripe up there has a shred of hard evidence to back it up yet you present is as done and fact.

If you look at my posts here, I don't go into depth at all. I'm messing around talking smack. :laugh:

If you wanna see me go into depth then revisit the thread where I took all your ridiculous claims and tore them to shreds. ;)

[BigDFan5]

Link please. This is not likely true. But if you have some documentation, I'd like to see it.

Davis himself said he had to decide between the Skins and Cowboys offer. You know this already you dont need a link

[BigDFan5]

Ah, those pesky owners and fans...what do they know...


umm not nearly as much as the coaches

[ArmchairRedskin]

Did you or did you not say




You miscomprehend. That wasn't a prediction as to how many he would allow, it was a prediction to homey's reaction in the what if scenario that Davis allows more sacks seeing as how he's so happy that he gave up 8 last year.

It's no fun when you have to explain stuff. :laugh:

[M&W]

None of that tripe up there has a shred of hard evidence to back it up yet you present is as done and fact.

Because it is and you know it. You will never admit it, much like OJ will never admit to double homicide.

[MLSKINS]

name the terms



and yes he plays in the division withj those guys but will not be assigned to blocking any of them, they are all DE's Guards block DTs a majorty of the time
When somebody blitzes the Tackle will pick them up which will leave the Guard one on one with the DE.

And the terms, how about a good ol fashion sig bet. But the deal is off if he plays less then 10 games. Becasue I could just see his leg getting rolled by his own teammate in a pile up.

[tr1]

The point is, you, and many like you, get some sort of deep-seeded satisfaction from knocking the Cowboys non-stop and are desperately trying to convince yourself why they will suck. Romo will never recover, TO will explode, the O-line sucks, the defense sucks, the coaches suck, etc., etc., etc.


Welcome.

You are now on a Redskins board. You may have noticed that the decor is in burgandy and gold. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED! Those are the official Redskins colors. Note: It is rumored that Redskin fans hate the pukes. Please make a note of that.

Thank you for your time.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Because it is and you know it. You will never admit it, much like OJ will never admit to double homicide.




Really? Prove it. You have the burden of proof now. Prove your stance or scoot off and play with your ninja turtle figures.

[BigDFan5]

You miscomprehend. That wasn't a prediction as to how many he would allow, it was a prediction to homey's reaction in the what if scenario that Davis allows more sacks seeing as how he's so happy that he gave up 8 last year.

It's no fun when you have to explain stuff. :laugh:

I agree it is no fun explaining so I do this with a sad face :( <--that one




I didn't say you predicted I said you "stated" which you did. I figured you must actually believe what you were saying otherwise what good was it except as just smack.

[tr1]

Davis himself said he had to decide between the Skins and Cowboys offer. You know this already you dont need a link

No, I didn't see this. Please provide a link.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I agree it is no fun explaining so I do this with a sad face :( <--that one




I didn't say you predicted I said you "stated" which you did. I figured you must actually believe what you were saying otherwise what good was it except as just smack.



Isn't this whole thread just smack? That's the way I'm approaching it. :dallasuck

[BigDFan5]

When somebody blitzes the Tackle will pick them up which will leave the Guard one on one with the DE.

And the terms, how about a good ol fashion sig bet. But the deal is off if he plays less then 10 games. Becasue I could just see his leg getting rolled by his own teammate in a pile up.


agreed on the 10 games


Sig bet for how long, and must also include all of the sig neither of us can add our own text to go along with the pic

[MLSKINS]

Because it is and you know it. You will never admit it, much like OJ will never admit to double homicide.
Didn't he wirte that book called " "If" I did it "

[BigDFan5]

No, I didn't see this. Please provide a link.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/03/AR2007030300808_2.html?nav=rss_sports/redskins

The 6-foot-6, 360-pound Davis, a left tackle for the Cardinals, was treated to a $100 lunch at a local restaurant by quarterback Jason Campbell, and was scheduled to join Smoot, Fisher and team officials for dinner.

"If he's going to come here and block for me, I have to take care of him," said Campbell said. "It would be great to have him here."

Davis, 28, who said he would go home to Texas to decide between the Redskins and Cowboys -- he visited Dallas Friday -- met with Redskins coaches and was impressed by the team's operation. In the wake of guard Derrick Dockery's record $49 million contract with Buffalo, Davis said the Redskins have talked to him about playing left guard; Dallas has asked him to play either right guard or right tackle.

[M&W]

Allright Skippy, go ahead and name ten.

1: Shawn Springs is getting old and declining quickly

2: Fred Smoot gives up a TD every 6.3 passes thrown his way, second highest in the league

3: Carlos Rogers is very schitzo, looking great at times and horrible at others. Where's the conssitancy?

4: Sean Taylor gave up more YPC than any safety in football last year and played substantially worse statistically in the secondary than Roy Williams did.

5: Jason Campbell had the second worst accuracy of any starting QB in the league and many think he lacks the tools to live up to his first round draft status

6: Al Saunders. 'Nuff said

7: Greg Williams, what happened to him?

8: Can Clinton Portis return to pre-injury form?

9: Can Llyod and Randle El prove they werent the epic FA busts they seemed to be last year?

10: The loss of Derrick Dockey will hurt. The question is, how much?

I can keep going if you want, but I'd rather stay on topic

[BigDFan5]

Isn't this whole thread just smack? That's the way I'm approaching it. :dallasuck


yeah I read yuou were screwing around after that post was made no worries I thought you really thought that :cheers:

[MLSKINS]

agreed on the 10 games


Sig bet for how long, and must also include all of the sig neither of us can add our own text to go along with the pic

Until Super Bowl XLII (52).

Becasue if we are in the Super Bowl I might have to use like 10 sigs that week.

[M&W]

Welcome.

You are now on a Redskins board. You may have noticed that the decor is in burgandy and gold. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED! Those are the official Redskins colors. Note: It is rumored that Redskin fans hate the pukes. Please make a note of that.

Thank you for your time.

There is a not so fine line between hate and obsession

[Birdlives]

For every problem you can name for the Cowboys, I can name 10 for the Redskins, but I don't, instead sticking, for the most part, to disputing your position on the Cowboys.

Let's see, where do I begin.

Okay, learning a new offense and a new style of defense because of a coaching overhaul.

Finding chemistry with a new safety in the secondary.

Aging at the WR position.

Young QB who will have much higher expectations than last year, and a new offense to learn.

A defensive line and overall defense that struggled at the end of the year.

That's five to start. Why dont you go ahead and name 50 problems the Redskins have. Then I'll prepare my rebuttal.

[M&W]

Didn't he wirte that book called " "If" I did it "

Never got published

[BigDFan5]

Until Super Bowl XLII (52).

Becasue if we are in the Super Bowl I might have to use like 10 sigs that week.


Sounds good, agreed on no text of our own correct?>

[ArmchairRedskin]

1: Shawn Springs is getting old and declining quickly

2: Fred Smoot gives up a TD every 6.3 passes thrown his way, second highest in the league

3: Carlos Rogers is very schitzo, looking great at times and horrible at others. Where's the conssitancy?

4: Sean Taylor gave up more YPC than any safety in football last year and played substantially worse statistically in the secondary than Roy Williams did.

5: Jason Campbell had the second worst accuracy of any starting QB in the league and many think he lacks the tools to live up to his first round draft status

6: Al Saunders. 'Nuff said

7: Greg Williams, what happened to him?

8: Can Clinton Portis return to pre-injury form?

9: Can Llyod and Randle El prove they werent the epic FA busts they seemed to be last year?

10: The loss of Derrick Dockey will hurt. The question is, how much?

I can keep going if you want, but I'd rather stay on topic







Man, if that aint a Cowboys letter to Santa I don't know what is. :laugh:



Smoot gives up a TD every 6.3 passes directed at him? Link that stat. I wanna see this for myself.

[MLSKINS]

1: Shawn Springs is getting old and declining quickly

2: Fred Smoot gives up a TD every 6.3 passes thrown his way, second highest in the league

3: Carlos Rogers is very schitzo, looking great at times and horrible at others. Where's the conssitancy?

4: Sean Taylor gave up more YPC than any safety in football last year and played substantially worse statistically in the secondary than Roy Williams did.

5: Jason Campbell had the second worst accuracy of any starting QB in the league and many think he lacks the tools to live up to his first round draft status

6: Al Saunders. 'Nuff said

7: Greg Williams, what happened to him?

8: Can Clinton Portis return to pre-injury form?

9: Can Llyod and Randle El prove they werent the epic FA busts they seemed to be last year?

10: The loss of Derrick Dockey will hurt. The question is, how much?

I can keep going if you want, but I'd rather stay on topic
I agree with #1 but the rest of them was just bull espically the 5th one.

[BigDFan5]

You werent talking to me but I wanna respond if thats cool


Okay, learning a new offense and a new style of defense because of a coaching overhaul.

We arent learning a new offense at all. They are adding a couple things, and changing some terms but most will remain from last year



Finding chemistry with a new safety in the secondary.

I really dont see that as a big deal




Aging at the WR position.

aging yes for sure but still both topped 1000 yards last season and combined for like 20 TDs



Young QB who will have much higher expectations than last year, and a new offense to learn.

agreed except for the new offense



A defensive line and overall defense that struggled at the end of the year.
Last years struggles are a worry, but we were a top D for most of the season before our pass rush dropped to 0. I think Phillips blitzing style will help us here

[BigDFan5]

hey nobody go anywhere I have to go to the store for smokes we will continue in 15 mins!!

[ArmchairRedskin]

Brunell was tied for 11th in accuracy. Stats are misleading if you don't watch games and are able to tell what you're looking at.

Case in point with a (in principle) rookie QB who comes in cold after a half a season and throws at least one TD in every single start. I mean Vince Young's accuracy was terrible last year. I guess he's a bust.

[MLSKINS]

hey nobody go anywhere I have to go to the store for smokes we will continue in 15 mins!!
Cowboys and thier fans with that crack. It is so dissapointing :doh:

[bubba9497]

Go

Dude I already responded to most of these

but I will do it again



I believe Davis was a very good signing. He will be playing guard, a position he is much more suited for, as he is a bulldozer will exceptional strength and size. His biggest problem was his work ethic, the talent has always been there.

1. he was paid more than any other Poke in history, despite the fact he has never... repeat never came close to being a dominant OL at any position. Being big doesn't mean he is good. He has never been consistent, and has had some of the worst stats of all OLmen on a team that has been one of the worst OL in the NFL during his 6 years as a card. Talent =squat without working at it... and paying him huge money up front and guaranteed, isn't going to make him suddenly decide to start working at being good




Marco Cloumbo performed at a very high level last year, and will continue to do so. He is a former 1st round pick, so he has the ability, injuries had limited him most of his career however. Now heathly, he is living up to his potential.

Very High? :wtf: the term is servicable, the pokes gave up 39 sacks, and a ton of pressures last season, as well as the worst YPC Avg, in the NFC East.. and it wasn't all because of Rivera




Flozell will be what he always has been: A Pro-Bowl caliber LT with subpar speed who loses focus from tieme to time. Hopefully he keeps his mind on the field the wyhole seaosn and avoids injuries, he's still better than the majority of left tackles in the game, as there just arent that many.

Where to come up with this stuff

Pro Bowls mean squat, too many players go based of fan voting of the decal, and name value, than talent. As Stink said today, Flozell was never been that good, and he isn't half of what he used to be. Once Larry Allen left Flozell showed Allen covered most of his mistake. Flozell takes plays off,




If TO catches 13+ TDs again, I really don't care if he has 10-15 drops. His drops didnt keep us from the postseason and wasnt the reason we lost to Seattle.


no his drops help keep you from winning the east, and getting a first round bye. Most of his TD catches weren't because of anything he did other than catching a pass when he was in the open, one off a saint deflection, others because of Romo scrambling on a busted play. That worked for a few games, but DC around the league caught on quick, and TO's production went down.. as did Romo's



Romo was a Pro-Bowl QB in his first year with a bad O-Line, why can't he be one in his second year with what will be a better defense and a better line? Doesnt make sense.


Romo was put in the pro bowl, nothing he really earned, and on;y because most of the NFL QB's were injured or having a down year. And the last quarter of the season, after defenses learned how to contain him, he stunk at times... and didn't really do anything worth mentioning. Plus like bledsoe, he has trouble holding on to the ball... and his luck in getting those back, won't last forever.



We are in the same category as about 8 other teams in the NFC, teams who could either win their division or finish 8-8. The Saints and Bears are the only teams anyone is taking serious note of in the NFC.

Actually all teams are is the exact same catagory... a brand new season

except few has had the coaching turnover the pokes have had, and if you want to go by last year the Pokes lost 4 of their last 5 ( 5 out of 6 if you count the wild card game)...

[M&W]

Let's see, where do I begin.

Okay, learning a new offense and a new style of defense because of a coaching overhaul.

Finding chemistry with a new safety in the secondary.

Aging at the WR position.

Young QB who will have much higher expectations than last year, and a new offense to learn.

A defensive line and overall defense that struggled at the end of the year.

That's five to start. Why dont you go ahead and name 50 problems the Redksins have. Then I'll prepare my rebuttal.

You're persistant, I'll give you that

1: Shawn Springs is getting old and declining quickly

2: Fred Smoot gives up a TD every 6.3 passes thrown his way, second highest in the league

3: Carlos Rogers is very schitzo, looking great at times and horrible at others. Where's the conssitancy?

4: Sean Taylor gave up more YPC than any safety in football last year and played substantially worse statistically in the secondary than Roy Williams did.

5: Jason Campbell had the second worst accuracy of any starting QB in the league and many think he lacks the tools to live up to his first round draft status

6: Al Saunders. 'Nuff said

7: Greg Williams, what happened to him?

8: Can Clinton Portis return to pre-injury form?

9: Can Llyod and Randle El prove they werent the epic FA busts they seemed to be last year?

10: The loss of Derrick Dockey will hurt. The question is, how much?

11: Can Joe Gibbs return to pre-CBA form or will the new NFL continue to kick his ass?

12:Can Ladell Betts prove last year wasnt a fluke?

13: Strong safety? Anyone?

14: Can Andre Carter get past his average 2006 campaign and live up to expectations?

15: Can the Redskins generate more pressure as a whole to help the secondary?

16: Could Rocky Macintosh really be that big of a bust?

17: Shaun Suisham? :laugh:

18: Can Derrick Frost avoid reverting to his pre-2006 form?

19: Can Santana Moss get back on track?

20: Will London Fletcher bomb like all the other big FA acquisitions Washignton has ever made?

21: Warrick Holdman, please, make it stop

22: Can Joe Salavea and giuve Griffin some help on the inside?

23: God forbid anyone ever lines up 4-wide against Washington's corners. Ade Jimoh? Kenny Wright?

24: Will Gibbs FINALLY get away from the ultra-conservative playcalling?

25: Who is the #2 TE?

There's 25, 25 more on the way

[M&W]

I agree with #1 but the rest of them was just bull espically the 5th one.

Only Vince Yougn had a worse accuracy rating among starting QBs

Sorry

[bubba9497]

Still wating, bubba


Dude

I already answered your comments once a couple pages ago,


and I had to take care of my kids, getting them ready for bed, sorry I have other things to do besides answer to you


I am still waiting for a response based on something tangible besides your opinion and the "pro - bowl" :laugh:

[MLSKINS]

17: Shaun Suisham? :laugh:
I know you are not talking about anybody's kicker



25: Who is the #2 TE?

Are you kidding, #2 TE, what the heck is your problem.

[ArmchairRedskin]

You're persistant, I'll give you that

1: Shawn Springs is getting old and declining quickly

2: Fred Smoot gives up a TD every 6.3 passes thrown his way, second highest in the league

3: Carlos Rogers is very schitzo, looking great at times and horrible at others. Where's the conssitancy?

4: Sean Taylor gave up more YPC than any safety in football last year and played substantially worse statistically in the secondary than Roy Williams did.

5: Jason Campbell had the second worst accuracy of any starting QB in the league and many think he lacks the tools to live up to his first round draft status

6: Al Saunders. 'Nuff said

7: Greg Williams, what happened to him?

8: Can Clinton Portis return to pre-injury form?

9: Can Llyod and Randle El prove they werent the epic FA busts they seemed to be last year?

10: The loss of Derrick Dockey will hurt. The question is, how much?

11: Can Joe Gibbs return to pre-CBA form or will the new NFL continue to kick his ass?

12:Can Ladell Betts prove last year wasnt a fluke?

13: Strong safety? Anyone?

14: Can Andre Carter get past his average 2006 campaign and live up to expectations?

15: Can the Redskins generate more pressure as a whole to help the secondary?

16: Could Rocky Macintosh really be that big of a bust?

17: Shaun Suisham? :laugh:

18: Can Derrick Frost avoid reverting to his pre-2006 form?

19: Can Santana Moss get back on track?

20: Will London Fletcher bomb like all the other big FA acquisitions Washignton has ever made?

21: Warrick Holdman, please, make it stop

22: Can Joe Salavea and giuve Griffin some help on the inside?

23: God forbid anyone ever lines up 4-wide against Washington's corners. Ade Jimoh? Kenny Wright?

24: Will Gibbs FINALLY get away from the ultra-conservative playcalling?

25: Who is the #2 TE?

There's 25, 25 more on the way




Man, you could post just about the exact same list about any team. What a weak post. Can so and so match performance/bounce back from poor performance. :laugh:

Just glancing over it I'd say that neither Warrick Holdman nor Kenny Wright are Skins anymore and Al Saunders runs the offense.


D- :laugh:

[Birdlives]

1: Shawn Springs is getting old and declining quickly

But is healthy and therefore only a potential problem that was addressed with depth.

2: Fred Smoot gives up a TD every 6.3 passes thrown his way, second highest in the league

Only in the Minny cover-2, a defense he wasn't suited for. Smoot is a man-to-man cover guy and did very well before he left for Minny. Being back in the scheme he flourished with and playing man more will help emensely.

3: Carlos Rogers is very schitzo, looking great at times and horrible at others. Where's the conssitancy?

Again, see above, Smoot and depth.

4: Sean Taylor gave up more YPC than any safety in football last year and played substantially worse statistically in the secondary than Roy Williams did.

Speculation at best. Unless you know for sure what Taylor's assignment was on each and every play, you're BS'ing around.

5: Jason Campbell had the second worst accuracy of any starting QB in the league and many think he lacks the tools to live up to his first round draft status

Many? Um, got a quote form a valid source? Again, speculation. Also, Campbell started as a back-up and moved to the starting lineup after just a few games. He also was learning a new offensive scheme, something he's had to do every year he's played since college. Speculating as you do, it seems to me he'll do better with another offseason under his belt and the starting job in hand. And before you even think about retorting with Romo, he had 3 years under the same offensive scheme, a huge advantage.

6: Al Saunders. 'Nuff said

Please, say some more. He's only one of the most prolific offensive coordinators in the NFL today. Big surprise that the Skins struggled in their first year. Now with another offseason to study, things will fall into place.

7: Greg Williams, what happened to him?

Again, please elaborate. Lacking personell GW did what he could. Not seeing the problem considering when he did have the right guys healthy the Skins were a top ten D.

8: Can Clinton Portis return to pre-injury form?

If he doesn't we're well covered with Ladell Betts. Can the cowboys say the same?

9: Can Llyod and Randle El prove they werent the epic FA busts they seemed to be last year?

Lloyd was a bust. Randle-El just a fine job and made plays, Dont see the bust part. Again though, another year in the offense should help. Ask again next year. If you're still here.

10: The loss of Derrick Dockey will hurt. The question is, how much?

If they get a guy to play as well it won't hurt. If they get a guy who can pull, watch out. having 4 of 5 guys set and a solid group for competition in the fifth spot will allow us to have a solid line. Dockery wasn't a probowler after all. He was the weakest link on a dominant line This one, I'll give you though.

I can keep going if you want, but I'd rather stay on topic

You haven't been on topic since page 3. I see maybe three or four points here, certainly not ten. I'll give you db's, health (then again who doesn't have that issue year to year), and the guard spot. The others aren't valid points at all.

By all means, keep going. I myself dont even see ten valid points here.

[M&W]

Dude

I already answered your comments once a couple pages ago,


and I had to take care of my kids, getting them ready for bed, sorry I have other things to do besides answer to you


I am still waiting for a response based on something tangible besides your opinion and the "pro - bowl" :laugh:

All you provided was opinions in return. You asked for my analysis, and I gave it. Take what you want from it, I can't change your mind.

[M&W]

You haven't been on topic since page 3. I see maybe three or four points here, certainly not ten. I'll give you db's, health (then again who doesn't have that issue year to year), and the guard spot. The others aren't valid points at all.

By all means, keep going. I myself dont even see ten valid points here.

They're question marks that I want answers to before syaing Washington will be successful. I didnt question your questions about Dallas, even though I disagreed with some.

[Birdlives]

They're question marks that I want answers to before syaing Washington will be successful. I didnt question your questions about Dallas, even though I disagreed with some.

Already been said skippy. The same questions can be asked about the cowboys or any team, for that matter, on an annual basis.

Is Grammatica the long term solution at kicker? Vanderjagt wasn't.

See how easy that was?


You need to provide some valid stuff or go home.

BTW, where's my other 25?

[BigDFan5]

Dude

I already answered your comments once a couple pages ago,


and I had to take care of my kids, getting them ready for bed, sorry I have other things to do besides answer to you


I am still waiting for a response based on something tangible besides your opinion and the "pro - bowl" :laugh:


Didn't know you had kids bubba congrats, I just had my 2nd last October (well my wife HAD him :laugh: )

[MLSKINS]

Didn't know you had kids bubba congrats, I just had my 2nd last October (well my wife HAD him :lol: )
Don't try to suck up he still is going to grill you

:jk:

[BigDFan5]

Don't try to suck up he still is going to grill you

:jk:

Heck I like bubba I have told him as much in private, he even helped me out on the board when I needed him

[ptr77]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/03/AR2007030300808_2.html?nav=rss_sports/redskins

The 6-foot-6, 360-pound Davis, a left tackle for the Cardinals, was treated to a $100 lunch at a local restaurant by quarterback Jason Campbell, and was scheduled to join Smoot, Fisher and team officials for dinner.

"If he's going to come here and block for me, I have to take care of him," said Campbell said. "It would be great to have him here."

Davis, 28, who said he would go home to Texas to decide between the Redskins and Cowboys -- he visited Dallas Friday -- met with Redskins coaches and was impressed by the team's operation. In the wake of guard Derrick Dockery's record $49 million contract with Buffalo, Davis said the Redskins have talked to him about playing left guard; Dallas has asked him to play either right guard or right tackle.

Weeks ago cowboy fans were saying the giants offered the most money, more than even the cowboys. Now there is an article stating the Giants were never in the running even though apparently they offered the most? I'm a little confused here, why in the name of MONEY would Davis give up making more money by saying he wasn't interested in the giants? If they did offer him a huge deal he would use it as leverage, but by saying it was down to 2 places and never meeting the giants it would appear there never was an offer. HEHATEME could try to explain this one to me because i really am not seeing this, either Davis's agent knows nothing about money and leverage, or Davis really wanted to lighten Joness' pockets. I can find an article saying the cowboys paid more than the giants or redskins offered, weird how that works:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2796687

Sportswriters and their families were quick to condemn the signing, saying that Jones would rue the day he guaranteed Davis $18.75 million. Even a couple of high-ranking members of the organization were floored by the price Jones paid in outbidding the Giants and Redskins.

[BigDFan5]

Weeks ago cowboy fans were saying the giants offered the most money, more than even the cowboys.

No the internet reports stated that. Cowboys fans repeated it



Now there is an article stating the Giants were never in the running even though apparently they offered the most?
where is this article?


I'm a little confused here, why in the name of MONEY would Davis give up making more money by saying he wasn't interested in the giants?

Because his father (a Cowboys fan) wanted him to comer play in Dallas where his handicapped father could come see him play (they are from Dallas area)



If they did offer him a huge deal he would use it as leverage, but by saying it was down to 2 places and never meeting the giants it would appear there never was an offer. HEHATEME could try to explain this one to me because i really am not seeing this, either Davis's agent knows nothing about money and leverage, or Davis really wanted to lighten Joness' pockets.

Maybe he did use it as leverage we dont know




I can find an article saying the cowboys paid more than the giants or redskins offered, weird how that works:

and there was an article posyted on this board saying the Giants offered more

[bubba9497]

You're persistant, I'll give you that


There's 25, 25 more on the way

again, changing it to the Redskins :jerk:

and will a falling star hit Fed-Ex field during a game??? :excited:

come on dude these at best are very weak, and have nothing to back them up to make them legit, most are laughable

1. Shawn Springs will be 31, and hardly declining rapidly.. the Redskins defense played remarkably better in the games he played than those he missed with injury (which has fully healed BTW)

2. Last season when he was in Minnesota? Smoot is better suited in GW system in DC, and didn't give up a single TD his last season with the skins (only two years ago)

3. Rogers had sophomore problems for the first half of last year, but played very well down the stretch and when Springs returned. His biggest concern is dropped Int.

4. That is total BS. Based on the number of passes defended, Williams was much much worse, and while Taylor struggled at times last season, most of it was from doing to much to cover the loss of Springs.

5. Campbell started the last half of the season, his first starts and playing time in the NFL. The point you fail to mention was all young QB's struggle at first, and that he got progressively better each week. He was also one of the most accurate passers in the country his senior year at Auburn, and led the SEC in most passing categories And with an entire off season working as the #1 QB, and getting together with the WR will only aid him. Please list those who says he doesn't have the tools. Funny how I read everywhere, where many think he has the most upside of any young QB in the league

6. Yeah he has only coached a top 5 offense every where he has been except for maybe 3 years out of 20

7. So the fact he has coached a top ten defense every year since he was a DC in Tennessee, before last season he suddenly can't coach :rolleyes: I guess all those injuries on defense had nothing to do with it

8. A separated shoulder???? you're kidding right

9. EPIC? you mean like Davis who was paid $18 million guaranteed? Randle El did exactly what was expected of him as a #3 WR, PR, and to use on gimmick plays, Lloyd had the bad year not Randle El

10. Losing a top OLmen hurts, but Todd Wade isn't a slouch and was one of the best Tackles in the league before getting injured. He has fully recovered, and moving to guard is easier for a player as you said earlier. besides the the other 4 starters are solid, and some of the best at their position in the NFL. Plus Buges is the best OL in the NFL

11. Again are you for real, :insane: Gibbs II has already won more playoff games than the last 4 poke coaches did (combined)

12. A fluke? :rolleyes: his career YPC is 4.4 and he has had consistent numbers both rushing, receiving, and on Special Teams, his entire NFL career... oh BTW he is the #2 RB :laugh:

13. Prielou is returning... anyone, anyone

14. Did you watch the last half of the Skins season, once he became accustomed to Williams schemes... next

15. If they stay healthy is the question

16. :wtf: are you talking about, he had more of an impact on special teams, and filling in, than your #1 last season... and Rocky was a second round pick

17. went 8-9 including 2 over 50 yards, hows Vanderja,,, oh wait.. nevermind

18. :rolleyes: can you get real, he has had two solid years for the Redskins, and in the time he's been the punter the Skins punt coverage teams rank in the top 5

19. When was he off track

20. Bomb like Griffin, Washington, Moss, Thomas, Rabach, Springs, I can only hope so.. considering his production in Williams systems before.. I think he will be okay

21. He's in Buffalo genius.... M&W please make it stop

22. Again, the question is can they stay healthy this season, his previous two seasons, he was a beast in the middle. Montgomery and Golston look like keepers as well

23. You really need to get out more... Kenny Wright is in Cleveland

you're looking really foolish, at this point

24. Seriously, he was ranked in the top 10 in 05, and was 3rd in rushing last year... during his first tenure, his teams set NFL records in scoring, yards, passing, rushing.. he was so conservative he has 3 1000 yard WR twice

25. #2 TE :rotflmao:

Todd Yoder, hell of a blocker... of course Sellers is more H-Back, than Full back and can play on the line as well.


thanks for the laughs

[HeHateMe]

Weeks ago cowboy fans were saying the giants offered the most money, more than even the cowboys. Now there is an article stating the Giants were never in the running even though apparently they offered the most? I'm a little confused here, why in the name of MONEY would Davis give up making more money by saying he wasn't interested in the giants? If they did offer him a huge deal he would use it as leverage, but by saying it was down to 2 places and never meeting the giants it would appear there never was an offer. HEHATEME could try to explain this one to me because i really am not seeing this, either Davis's agent knows nothing about money and leverage, or Davis really wanted to lighten Joness' pockets. I can find an article saying the cowboys paid more than the giants or redskins offered, weird how that works:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2796687

Sportswriters and their families were quick to condemn the signing, saying that Jones would rue the day he guaranteed Davis $18.75 million. Even a couple of high-ranking members of the organization were floored by the price Jones paid in outbidding the Giants and Redskins.

I merely posted a piece stating the Giants outbid the Cowboys for him.

Just as you posted a piece saying they didnt.

I never said it was fact, and unfortunately, we will never know what truly happened. Just as I said previously.

[ptr77]

Because his father (a Cowboys fan) wanted him to comer play in Dallas where his handicapped father could come see him play (they are from Dallas area)




Maybe he did use it as leverage we dont know



and there was an article posyted on this board saying the Giants offered more

And i just posted one that said the cowboys offered more, are you seeing the point here? Its all purely speculation and no one knows at all, not you not me. He never met with the giants, never took a physical and never was in contract negotiations unless they did it over the phone, it is known he never met with the giants at all. I find it hard to believe that Davis did take less money or forgot to mention the giants everytime he spoke to drive up his price, i would bet their offer wasn't serious enough but that again is just specualation. By not visiting the giants, Davis had zero leverage, i think teams rarely fax out an offer. If they did, by Davis not taking a physical or ever going to NY he pretty much showed they did not interest him the slightest. No interest = no leverage.

[MrFrank]

Heck I like bubba I have told him as much in private, he even helped me out on the board when I needed him

Yeah, it's hard not to like Bubba and his sidekick tr1. They provide great entertainment and I know how much I appreciate it!

It's unfortunate people who aren't Redskins fans tend to miss the point of this forum and miss out what a cool place Extremeskins is. It's really more of a Cowboys Haters site than anything IMO, but there are also a lot of Redskins fans here who are truly passionate about their team. They tend to get overshadowed by the haters here but that's cool. Long live Extremeskins!!

The admins here are also among the best you will find of any message board. They tolerate a lot of stuff but aren't afraid to scruff it out once in a while. The honesty is a nice change of pace. A lot of these message boards are governed by dictators who rarely practice what they preach. But that's not the case here.

[ptr77]

I merely posted a piece stating the Giants outbid the Cowboys for him.

Just as you posted a piece saying they didnt.

I never said it was fact, and unfortunately, we will never know what truly happened. Just as I said previously.

Sorry, I thought you quoted it as fact. I am not gonna bother to check I'll take your word on it. I would say most of the evidence points against this offer, but again none of us will ever know.

[HeHateMe]

Sorry, I thought you quoted it as fact. I am not gonna bother to check I'll take your word on it. I would say most of the evidence points against this offer, but again none of us will ever know.

Since we're being candid, the only knock on my piece was that it was from PFT.com.

So who knows what really transpired. Too bad we'll never find out.

[bubba9497]

One last thing before I gots to run M&W

in your little 25 reason thingy

I find it amusing how you can question if players can be productive for the Skins, after having one off year (mainly due to injury), but you can't accept anyone questioning Davis, who has stunk for 6 healthy years, and has yet to show even a glimpse of the talent he is supposed to possess

:insane:

[bubba9497]

Didn't know you had kids bubba congrats, I just had my 2nd last October (well my wife HAD him :laugh: )


and you have time to post :rubeyes:

I have two boys 12 and 10... both great kids, but a handful at bed time :laugh:

[BigDFan5]

and you have time to post :rubeyes:

I have two boys 12 and 10... both great kids, but a handful at bed time :laugh:



mine are 5 and 5 months


Awesome kids I never thought I would love being a father so much.

My 5 month old is a breeze sleeps all night thaankfully


My 5 year old is evil, he acts like a drunk eagles fan :laugh:

[MLSKINS]

My 5 year old is evil, he acts like a drunk eagles fan :laugh:
And he is probaly more matrue and smarter than most of them.

[BigDFan5]

And he is probaly more matrue and smarter than most of them.


:laugh: that was good and may be true lol

[bubba9497]

All you provided was opinions in return. You asked for my analysis, and I gave it. Take what you want from it, I can't change your mind.


no I gave opinions based on facts, history, real peoples analysis, and common sense... ie something tangible

not just what I want to happen

there is a difference

[tr1]

Davis said the Redskins have talked to him about playing left guard;

That does not say they made him an offer.

[ArmchairRedskin]

M&W remind anyone else of HH31? :laugh:

[jrockster21]

All you provided was opinions in return. You asked for my analysis, and I gave it. Take what you want from it, I can't change your mind.

How many stats did you make up this time?

[CaptChaos86]

:laugh: Oh man this was a good way to start the morning. I love how Bubba gets these pukes fans all fired up. Way to go Bubba!! Keep it up!!

[Fan since a Fetus]

I love the title of this thread!! "Stink says Pokes Stank in '07" That is great!

[BigDFan5]

That does not say they made him an offer.

you can cover your eyes if you want to tr1, but the fact is they wined him dined him and obviously made an offer, since you know he said he was going to decide between offers

[MrFrank]

:laugh: Oh man this was a good way to start the morning. I love how Bubba gets these pukes fans all fired up. Way to go Bubba!! Keep it up!!

As entertaining as Bubba and his cousin tr1 are, you should be praising the admins for allowing this circus to go on. Other forums would not allow its own members to set up shop for drawing hate like this. But it's all good IMO. I know that if I were a Redskins fan, I'd probably get bored with all of the losing and ineptitude of the front office and become a Cowboys hater - you know, just to keep my interest in the Redskins alive.

I don't mean to be throwing flames at the Redskins Nation, but you know there is at least a grain of truth in what I am saying.

In any event, may the Bubba and tr1 show go on!!

[RobertGoulet]

As entertaining as Bubba and his cousin tr1 are, you should be praising the admins for allowing this circus to go on. Other forums would not allow its own members to set up shop for drawing hate like this. But it's all good IMO. I know that if I were a Redskins fan, I'd probably get bored with all of the losing and ineptitude of the front office and become a Cowboys hater - you know, just to keep my interest in the Redskins alive.

I don't mean to be throwing flames at the Redskins Nation, but you know there is at least a grain of truth in what I am saying.

In any event, may the Bubba and tr1 show go on!!

I praise the admins for showing restraint and allowing trolls of other teams remain here so us skins fans can watch the "circus" as you call it.

I also praise the clowns for taking the bait time and time again. Hmmm dont like what bubba and tr1 say? dont respond.

[MLSKINS]

That does not say they made him an offer.
Man I am pretty sure we made him an offer, but I know that we weren't going to give him 49 million whne he ain't do nothing. I can't wait until this season and see what he will do. I pray to God that they put him at left tackle.

[MrFrank]

I praise the admins for showing restraint and allowing trolls of other teams remain here so us skins fans can watch the "circus" as you call it.

Anoyone objectively looking at the situation would probably argue that there is trolling going on both sides. But I agree with you, in the sense that the admins do deserve praise for the job they do.


I also praise the clowns for taking the bait time and time again. Hmmm dont like what bubba and tr1 say? dont respond.

Clowns? Please...The only reason Bubba and tr1 get responses from Cowboys fans at all is because of their outlandish behavior. It's funny, it's meant to be funny, and there is some great tongue-in-cheek humor to all of it. Personally, I enjoy following the two cousins and their schtick.

So spare me the "Cowboys fans falling into our trap" spin. Not even Bubba and tr1 truly believe that Cowboys fans are "falling" for anything. If they did, then that would mean they are intentionally baiting and the admins would probably do something about it.

[bubba9497]

How many stats did you make up this time?

off the top of my head....


Davis sacks allowed
Samuels sacks allowed
Taylors pass defending stats
thought Kenny Wright & Warrick Holdman were still on the Skins, and starting
Gibbs ultraconservative playcaller,
alluded that Saunders and Williams can't coach

[bubba9497]

Man I am pretty sure we made him an offer, but I know that we weren't going to give him 49 million whne he ain't do nothing. I can't wait until this season and see what he will do. I pray to God that they put him at left tackle.



you can cover your eyes if you want to tr1, but the fact is they wined him dined him and obviously made an offer, since you know he said he was going to decide between offers


according to both the WP & WT, he left without an offer

[MLSKINS]

off the top of my head....


Davis sacks allowed
Samuels sacks allowed
Taylors pass defending stats
thought Kenny Wright & Warrick Holdman were still on the Skins, and starting
Gibbs ultraconservative playcaller,
alluded that Saunders and Williams can't coach
He is right on one thing though, who is going to be our back up TE?? :laugh: :laugh:

[OWUeagleMD]

off the top of my head....


Davis sacks allowed
Samuels sacks allowed
Taylors pass defending stats
thought Kenny Wright & Warrick Holdman were still on the Skins, and starting
Gibbs ultraconservative playcaller,
alluded that Saunders and Williams can't coach

the final two do not qualify.

[MLSKINS]

according to both the WP & WT, he left without an offer
Oh, I stand corrected.

[MLSKINS]

the final two do not qualify.
How do we know Saunders can coach, his top 2 play makers were injured last year and he had a 1st year starting QB for 10 games.

[bubba9497]

He is right on one thing though, who is going to be our back up TE?? :laugh: :laugh:



opps forgot that one

Todd Yoder :)

[bubba9497]

the final two do not qualify.


while not stats,

complete fallacy, based clearly on all three's track record

[bubba9497]

I also praise the clowns for taking the bait time and time again. Hmmm dont like what bubba and tr1 say? dont respond.


while I enjoy stirring up the poke nation.... my threads are to entertain Redskin fans first, inform poke fans second... hoping for an honest debate


the fact they panic like a tornado warning at The Valley Ranch Trailer Court.... that's just gravy :)

[OWUeagleMD]

while not stats,

complete fallacy, based clearly on all three's track record


No argument from me. They are stupid statements, but they still don't apply to the accusation that he was "making up statistics."

[MrFrank]

while I enjoy stirring up the poke nation.... my threads are to entertain Redskin fans first, inform poke fans second... hoping for an honest debate

the fact they panic like a tornado warning at The Valley Ranch Trailer Court.... that's just gravy :)

Inform Pokes fans?! Honest debate?! Stop it, you're killing me! :laugh:

[bubba9497]

As entertaining as Bubba and his cousin tr1 are, you should be praising the admins for allowing this circus to go on. Other forums would not allow its own members to set up shop for drawing hate like this.


correct, most forums would just ban the poke fans, though I must disagree that other forums don't allow it's members from posting articles and threads that show their teams rivals in a negative light, in fact most allow ones that are truly meant to insult other teams fans.






But it's all good IMO. I know that if I were a Redskins fan, I'd probably get bored with all of the losing and ineptitude of the front office and become a Cowboys hater - you know, just to keep my interest in the Redskins alive.

I don't mean to be throwing flames at the Redskins Nation, but you know there is at least a grain of truth in what I am saying.

In any event, may the Bubba and tr1 show go on!!

If you were a Redskin fan, your hatred of Dallas is in grain from birth, in good times or bad... just the way it is

and I can't see your reference that any Redskin fan would be "bored" with losing since we went 10-6 in 05 and won in the playoffs... something Poke fans would love to say at least once the past 10-11 years.

ineptitude of the front office? All teams make mistakes from time to time... but hardly enough to qualify using the term "ineptitude"... I mean the Skins didn't offer Davis $49.5 million ($18 million guaranteed :laugh: )

While I must disagree you are throwing some flames... it's okay, If I was a poke fan (god forbid) I'd probably get bored with all of the losing to Washington and failures in the playoffs, choking down the stretch, etc... and ineptitude of the front office and become a Redskin hater

I don't mean to be throwing flames at the Poke Nation, but you know there is at least a grain of truth in what I am saying :)

[bubba9497]

Inform Pokes fans?! Honest debate?! Stop it, you're killing me! :laugh:


go back and re-read the thread

how many times did I ask... almost beg for a poke fan to discuss the topic of what was said on NFL Live

the threads posted are articles written by someone else, or said by someone else

There are no insults, name calling, or any other intentional jabbing in the thread's main post

Believe what you want, but the facts remain the same

[Birdlives]

Inform Pokes fans?! Honest debate?! Stop it, you're killing me! :laugh:

Wow. This whole thread must really bother you, to keep coming in here and pretend that it doesn't bother you.

:)

[ArmchairRedskin]

Anoyone objectively looking at the situation would probably argue that there is trolling going on both sides. But I agree with you, in the sense that the admins do deserve praise for the job they do.



Clowns? Please...The only reason Bubba and tr1 get responses from Cowboys fans at all is because of their outlandish behavior. It's funny, it's meant to be funny, and there is some great tongue-in-cheek humor to all of it. Personally, I enjoy following the two cousins and their schtick.

So spare me the "Cowboys fans falling into our trap" spin. Not even Bubba and tr1 truly believe that Cowboys fans are "falling" for anything. If they did, then that would mean they are intentionally baiting and the admins would probably do something about it.




The around the nfl forum is for Extremeskins members who are REDSKINS fans to discuss topics related to the rest of the teams in the NFL but not directly related to the Redskins. That's key in understanding what is posted here and who the actual intended audience is. As a member you can feel free to respond to it, but as a fan of a team other than the Redskins, there is no room whatsoever to cry foul. There is no such thing a Redskins fan trolling against other teams' fans as they aren't the intended audience.

Isn't there a sticky that says as much?


Fans of other teams getting their panties in a wad about things posted here is just a nice bonus for us. :)

[BigDFan5]

Man I am pretty sure we made him an offer, but I know that we weren't going to give him 49 million whne he ain't do nothing. I can't wait until this season and see what he will do. I pray to God that they put him at left tackle.


LT? Its already been stated he will play RG. Adams is LT

[skinsn24]

There is a disease spreading like wild fire around here.


It is called homerism.

Being a fan and being a homer are not the same thing. You can be a fan and not be homer. I wish more people on both sides of the ball would try to avoid catching the homer epidemic.

I love the comments "all you said was opinion"..."Well you asked for it and just responded with opinion of your own"..."No my opinion is based on facts that are tangible."...."No my opinions are based on facts"...."No your opinions are worthless"...."So why did you ask for them"...."I though you were smarter, oh yea i forgot your a fan of team ___"

[BigDFan5]

according to both the WP & WT, he left without an offer


gotta link to both of those?

[bubba9497]

gotta link to both of those?


I did 2 months ago


do a search in breaking news :)

[skinsn24]

Side note on this thread: I hate the pukes, but they have every right to dismiss what the media says about them.....that is if Redskins fans can dismiss things the media says about the redskins.

In the stadium there is constant bashing of various (basically all) media reports if they are slightly negative. I have seen even guys like Chris Mortenson getting bashed, so why can we not allow the pukes to do the same?

I know it is fun to rile them up and poke fun but...

Lead by example. No one can take anyone serious who says 1 thing and then does the other.

Id Rather be known as part of a fan base that is respected for being loyal but objective and smart in a debate instead of a fan base that is known to be irrational, hipocritical, and completely blind, but that is just my :2cents: