ESPN Radio: SPECULATING Taylor unhappy with contract

[Drunken Master III]

Just heard it on triple X. Hope this gets resolved soon. According to the Washington Post its true says ESPN radio.

[tizzod]

Yeah, well, show up, play better, and maybe we will think about it.

[skinfan2k]

we already ****ed him over on his rookie deal and lets not **** this one.. the redskins owe him

[Isifhan]

Is this more speculation or has someone talked to Taylor?

[Drunken Master III]

I knew this was going to happen with that crappy 7 year deal worth 19 million. :doh:

[Skins&Terps07]

This is bad news if its true. We want Taylor to be a happy, productive, beast on the field.

[Chris Worthy]

Didn't he signed that deal?

[RonArtest15]

As much as the Skins pamper him, a deal WILL be done. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a contract making him the highest paid safety within the next couple of months/year. There is no way that ST will be playing in a different color than B&G for his career. This guy is here to stay. It will be some ridiculous contract like what the owner of the Isles gave DiPietro (15 year contract) last summer...I know it is a different sport, but I think we shouldn't be too surprised if ST gets a crazy deal from the Skins....

[Bliz]

Just heard it on triple X. Hope this gets resolved soon.

:shot:

:censored:

[terpfan]

Just do it. We are going to have to re-sign him anyway. We know he's worth more than 19 mil. Pay him. And re-up Cooley while you're at it. Got me, Danny boy?

[#98QBKiller]

Is this more speculation or has someone talked to Taylor?


Question of the day

[SkinsD]

I love ST but he has to prove he deserves a bigger contract. He was outstanding his rookie season and has made improvements but just not enough for a legitimate holdout imo.

[StillUnknown]

As much as the Skins pamper him, a deal WILL be done. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a contract making him the highest paid safety within the next couple of months/year. There is no way that ST will be playing in a different color than B&G for his career. This guy is here to stay. It will be some ridiculous contract like what the owner of the Isles gave DiPietro (15 year contract) last summer...I know it is a different sport, but I think we shouldn't be too surprised if ST gets a crazy deal from the Skins....

i hope you are right, but the same things were said about Stephen Davis, Champ, Lavar, etc........

my head hurts after hearing this news

[Nuwanda]

um no offense dude but could you be a little more specific?? what did they say? did they talk to him or his manager?

[flexxskins]

Yeah, well, show up, play better, and maybe we will think about it. :doh: How many players on our defense play better than him currently.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

shouldnt everyone be shooting down espn radio like you were last night when lacanfora said it? or is everyone taking this more seriously now?

[Chris Worthy]

Riggo should be talking about it if it was at the Top of the hour news segment. Time to tune in. :)

[flexxskins]

i hope you are right, but the same things were said about Stephen Davis, Champ, Lavar, etc........

my head hurts after hearing this newsMy head hurts after seeing the kick that that guy took in your sig. Ouch.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I knew this was going to happen with that crappy 7 year deal worth 19 million. :doh:



thats what his contract was??? 7 years 19 mil? thats an insult.

[SnyderMustGo]

Where does he get off demanding a raise after his utter crap season he just had full of blown coverages, getting burnt, and missed tackles. Usually you are suppose to tear it up before you demand a new contract.

[ntotoro]

thats what his contract was??? 7 years 19 mil? thats an insult.

It wasn't so bad at the time when it was the highest contract ever signed by a safety (at the time) and the guy had yet to take a snap at the pro level.

I can't believe all this crying here over a guy actually having to play out the first few years of a rookie contract.

[Drunken Master III]

Well here is his salary. That was a wack rookie deal.

First year is 2006

2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
Sean Taylor 4.731 1.673 1.913 2.152 1.345

[Bliz]

shouldnt everyone be shooting down espn radio like you were last night when lacanfora said it? or is everyone taking this more seriously now?

feh...you and your logic. Why don't you take it somewhere else?

[Fury010]

we already ****ed him over on his rookie deal and lets not **** this one.. the redskins owe him

That's Bullspit!

You signed the deal....honor it!

[CPortJGibbs89]

Well here is his salary. That was a wack rookie deal.

First year is 2006

2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
Sean Taylor 0.425 2.095 0.640 1.571 4.731 1.673 1.913 2.152 1.345I swear I remember hearing somewhere that it was loaded with incentives and could be anywhere up to 40 million, maybe I mis-read something or I dunno but I heard that...

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Where does he get off demanding a raise after his utter crap season he just had full of blown coverages, getting burnt, and missed tackles. Usually you are suppose to tear it up before you demand a new contract.



every single team in the NFL would pay for taylor because of his skill level, age, hitting power, and natural athletic ability, not to mention the two very good years he had here in 05 and 04. if you go back and watch any games from this year, you will see that he looked awful mostly because he was trying to compensate for just how bad our front 7 was, not to mention the other safties playing next to him. go watch the giants game from week 17 if you disagree.

[thesubmittedone]

Oh man Oh man. This the last thing we need.


*Enters Panic Mode*








*Calms down*

Whatever... Landry will fill in for him then.




*Realizes that was retarded to say, re-enters panic mode*

Sean, please, just play man!


*Realizes that this news may be all speculation*


I feel better now.

[McMetal]

And so begins the manufactured media controversy.

This is still not story, no matter how hard they try to stir the pot. Until Taylor or his agent go on record as saying he is unhappy with his contract, this is just another case of writers and reporters trying to make up news. I'm not even bothering to worry about it.

ST will be here for the mini-camp next month. He'll be fine.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

feh...you and your logic. Why don't you take it somewhere else?


point taken, ill just wait for some more of the mods to shoot down jason just because his writing got a little snappy. but remember, hes full of BS, until espn reports the same thing, of course.

[Nuwanda]

Well here is his salary. That was a wack rookie deal.

First year is 2006

2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
Sean Taylor 4.731 1.673 1.913 2.152 1.345
again, what exactly did they say? did they talk to taylor? his agent?

[SkinsGuy]

And so begins the manufactured media controversy.

This is still not story, no matter how hard they try to stir the pot. Until Taylor or his agent go on record as saying he is unhappy with his contract, this is just another case of writers and reporters trying to make up news. I'm not even bothering to worry about it.

ST will be here for the mini-camp next month. He'll be fine.


True.

The starter of this thread was fairly vague in what he actually heard.

Did Rosenhaus or Taylor himself (doubtful) say this, or was this just some analyst on the radio given his "educated guess"?

[McMetal]

shouldnt everyone be shooting down espn radio like you were last night when lacanfora said it? or is everyone taking this more seriously now?

If it was Mort or Clayton saying it, sure.

But ESPN XXX Radio is a joke. Some production monkey with his thumb up his ass probably pulled this right off of JLC's blog.

[Isifhan]

thats what his contract was??? 7 years 19 mil? thats an insult.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/WAS/7529976

Taylor will receive a $7.2 million signing bonus, and that the total bonus money in the deal -- including option and roster bonuses -- exceeds $13 million.

The contract also has escalators that can make the deal worth up to $40 million over six years, while the seventh year can be voided. The escalators are based on playing time, performance and Pro Bowl or All-Pro selections.

[CPortJGibbs89]

True.

The starter of this thread was fairly vague in what he actually heard.

Did Rosenhaus or Taylor himself (doubtful) say this, or was this just some analyst on the radio given his "educated guess"?I listened to Espn radio as well they are just speculating, they say he is not at the workouts so that must mean he is not happy with his contract, we all knew that if Taylor did not have to be there he was not going to show up, this is not any new news....

[Drunken Master III]

tune in to triple x espn radio in a little while for more info

[mojo]

I'd like to know his demands. I can understand if he wants his admittedly crappy rookie deal reworked but I have a feeling he's going to want to be the top paid player at his position, which he's not, not by a long shot.

If he thinks knocking a punter down in the Pro-Bowl overshadows his late reacting, bad angle taking, deer in the headlights season he had last year, he's the one with issues.

[CPortJGibbs89]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/WAS/7529976

Taylor will receive a $7.2 million signing bonus, and that the total bonus money in the deal -- including option and roster bonuses -- exceeds $13 million.

The contract also has escalators that can make the deal worth up to $40 million over six years, while the seventh year can be voided. The escalators are based on playing time, performance and Pro Bowl or All-Pro selections.


I swear I remember hearing somewhere that it was loaded with incentives and could be anywhere up to 40 million, maybe I mis-read something or I dunno but I heard that...Thank you thats what I thought, looks like a pretty good contract to me...

[Chris Worthy]

Well the 20 min. news update on Riggo. Kevin Shean (sp) said the Wash. post is reporting Sean is unhappy.

[Chris Worthy]

And they will talk about Sean later on his show.

[SkinsGuy]

I listened to Espn radio as well they are just speculating, they say he is not at the workouts so that must mean he is not happy with his contract, we all knew that if Taylor did not have to be there he was not going to show up, this is not any new news....


Thought so.

Unfortuately, your words won't stop the fear that has gripped the panicky herd here, and prevent a stampede. :)

[Drunken Master III]

Their exact words speculation or not:

"the washington post reports that Sean Taylor IS unhappy with his current contract"

Take it for what its worth. Hopefully its not true.

[Bliz]

Their exact words speculation or not:

"the washington post reports that Sean Taylor IS unhappy with his current contract"

Take it for what its worth. Hopefully its not true.


"the washington post" = JLC blog

[SkinsGuy]

Their exact words speculation or not:

"the washington post reports that Sean Taylor IS unhappy with his current contract"

Take it for what its worth. Hopefully its not true.

Sounds like they just read JLC's OPINIONATED blog. :)

I'm willing to bet NO ONE at the WP has talked to Sean Taylor personally.

[spanishomelette]

Sounds like they just read JLC's OPINIONATED blog. :)
Right...It's not confirmation...It's just a rehash. Nothing NEW.

[CPortJGibbs89]

Thought so.

Unfortuately, your words won't stop the fear that has gripped the panicky herd here, and prevent a stampede. :)Haha I try my best but it just doesnt seem to work. :laugh: But to be more specific they were saying he is waiting to see what contract LL gets before he decides to show up... Its the media what do you expect...

[D-Day]

I swear I remember hearing somewhere that it was loaded with incentives and could be anywhere up to 40 million, maybe I mis-read something or I dunno but I heard that...

I am pretty sure it is and he is just not earning them, so he probably wants some of that guaranteed. Also I think another poster said it somewhere that this is more then likely driven by his agent who hasn't seen a dime from taylor as he has not signed a contract with him as his agent. I agree with that.

We are actually getting a cap credits every year of over a Mil for some reason, don't know why.

I think the skins saw this coming and that is one of the reasons Landry was drafted. I wouldn't be surprised to see them bench him if he gets real bitchy making it less likely he earns his incentives. Tell him that and he will be here, he signed his contract live with it. If he would come in and do the right thing then all this would work itself out.

Looks like someone at ESPN Radio reads JLC's Blog.

[NebraSKIN]

As much as the Skins pamper him, a deal WILL be done. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a contract making him the highest paid safety within the next couple of months/year. There is no way that ST will be playing in a different color than B&G for his career. This guy is here to stay. It will be some ridiculous contract like what the owner of the Isles gave DiPietro (15 year contract) last summer...I know it is a different sport, but I think we shouldn't be too surprised if ST gets a crazy deal from the Skins....


ssssswwwweeeeeeettttttt.:applause:

[Skinsinparadise]

If so could turn into a blessing in disguise. My fear with Sean is he could be upset about losing the spotlight playing with another potential stud in Landry and or be upset about him getting paid more -- so when its time for contract renewal in FA, he bolts. IMO its better to lock him in long term now because I think the chances increase that the longer this plays out the more disastified he becomes. The Dolphins would be attractive to him so he can play at home or a team like SF the NFL's new big spenders can offer him something outraegously attractive. As good as we are at pursuing FA's, we have a poor record of retaining our own.

[Bryan81]

I can't say I'm surprised that he is unhappy, if he really is, but hopefully it all gets taken care of soon.

[BALLz]

I have an idea...

Sean Taylor....meet Shawn Springs. Springs refuses to restructure so it makes it difficult to give you the money you want.

Now, talk it out amoungst yourselves.

[ktball74]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/08/AR2007050801754.html

The Post also said this morning that Bug Eyes and Rosenhaus are talking on a contract extension, so the Skins are working on it.

"Sources added that Director of Player Personnel Vinny Cerrato and Taylor's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, had been in discussions in recent weeks regarding a contract extension for Taylor, whose contract expires after the 2008 season."

[gobigred]

The skins made this mess when they made AA the riches safety in the league and now LL will probably be getting 15 mil guaranteed. We got to get the extension done now or we will loose ST because he will get more money then what some of you are willing to give. If we loose Cooley and Taylor to FA the GM issue will come back and Joe will be gone. This team has to show dediction to some of these core players.

[the krabber]

I have an idea...

Sean Taylor....meet Shawn Springs. Springs refuses to restructure so it makes it difficult to give you the money you want.

Now, talk it out amoungst yourselves.Just have Sean give Shawn a high five. It will fracture his arm in three places and we can go ahead and put him on IR. Saves us the trouble during the season.

*prays for Sean to get a new deal and for Shawn to stay healthy this season*

[21 always]

Lavar, Davis , Champ...... Isware if They dont sign Taylor im forking my season tix's over!!! His contract was horrible when he signed it.... Danny Give him Money!!!!!! I mean hell we pay for Dumb ass Brandon Lloyd and over priced ****ty WR Randall El ( who is nothing but a slot reciver gimmick) We give those bumbs money but you cant fix this taylor mess..... What the hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can you imagine if we lost Sean to say umm NY or Philly .. He would make us pay every game !!

[Hitnskins]

Yep, let's go ahead and reward a guy who NEVER EVEN WANTS TO BE AROUND THE REDSKINS or their facility.....has no idea about what it means to be a team player...doesn't study like he should, etc, etc.....the only way he makes it now is just on pure talent alone....the problme is, that you usually reward people for doing all the right things....not for skipping practices, and not wanting to be around here, and being a good face of the organization, and to my knowledge, he hasn't done any of those things! Unfortunately in my experiences in life, when you reward someone on potential instead of results, it's usually been a bad deal!

Imagine if he actually studied and wanted to be around football all the time...or had a passion for getting better....i think he's happy enough to just slide by on talent alone....

[E-Dog Night]

Their exact words speculation or not:

"the washington post reports that Sean Taylor IS unhappy with his current contract"

Take it for what its worth. Hopefully its not true.

That should be re-worded "Drew Rosenhaus, with his red tail and little horns on his head, sits on Sean Taylor's shoulder and convinces him that he should be unhappy with his contract".

Truthfully though - and I hate to say it, but - Rosenhaus has some good leverage here. After the Redskins gave Archuletta eleventy billion dollars, and with Landry's contract sure to exceed Taylor's...

We should have seen this coming a mile away.

[rm8899]

Aren't we like $5 mil under the salary cap so far??? i'd definitely pay the man. then release Brunell and extend Cooley immediately so this bull doesn't happen all over again. I definitely wouldn't give a rookie a better than ST though...he's never even been on the NFL field yet.

[Chris Worthy]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/08/AR2007050801754.html

The Post also said this morning that Bug Eyes and Rosenhaus are talking on a contract extension, so the Skins are working on it.

"Sources added that Director of Player Personnel Vinny Cerrato and Taylor's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, had been in discussions in recent weeks regarding a contract extension for Taylor, whose contract expires after the 2008 season."

You figure this will happen. They let his buddy go in Clark and now for the second time you replace him with someone who is going to get more up-front money than you.

Greg wants him here so it will get done. No worries. :)

[ktball74]

You figure this will happen. They let his buddy go in Clark and now for the second time you replace him with someone who is going to get more up-front money than you.

Greg wants him here so it will get done. No worries. :)

I'm not worried Chris. They will get the deal done and everyone will be happy. LL will not make more then ST and ST will get more then AA did.

[Gilgamesh]

Looks like rehashed information to me.

[turtle]

Man I hope they get this worked out. We need him out there with a clear mind.

[kramdizzle]

shocker he wants more after a rookie safety is going to make more than him

[drowland]

It's no secret ST has been unhappy with his rookie contract. He was unhappy a week after he signed the damn thing. That's why he hired Rosenhaus. Things cooled after his offseason of legal trouble, but you knew it wouldn't be long before it came back around. Taylor's kept is nose clean for 2 yrs and made a pro-bowl, so now they're going to strike it back up.

[Nuwanda]

i dont even know what the big deal is. the eagles arguably have the best front office in football. why? because they lock up their young stars after only 2 seasons (WR brown, DT patterson, OG andrews, OG herremans, OC jackson, CB brown, CB sheppard etc)

[StillUnknown]

even if it isn't a problem now, i would like to see our front-office address this situation before it becomes a problem. nothing wrong with being pro-active which this front-office appears to be allergic to.

[Aston]

If I ever run across Drew Rosenhaus in public, I swear to God, I'm going to kick him in the balls as hard as I can. There. That's my contribution to this thread. Have a wonderful afternoon.

[21 always]

If I ever run across Drew Rosenhaus in public, I swear to God, I'm going to kick him in the balls as hard as I can. There. That's my contribution to this thread. Have a wonderful afternoon.

:applause: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tulane Skins Fan]

i dont even know what the big deal is. the eagles arguably have the best front office in football. why? because they lock up their young stars after only 2 seasons (WR brown, DT patterson, OG andrews, OG herremans, OC jackson, CB brown, CB sheppard etc)


bingo... people are going to bash ST or anyone else for wanting a new contract while their current one is running ("he signed that deal, didn't he), but then when his contract runs up, they bash him for following the money to the biggest deal. as if he owes something to the team

[TK]

Their exact words speculation or not:

"the washington post reports that Sean Taylor IS unhappy with his current contract"

Take it for what its worth. Hopefully its not true.


"the washington post" = JLC blog


Sounds like they just read JLC's OPINIONATED blog. :)

I'm willing to bet NO ONE at the WP has talked to Sean Taylor personally.
Ding.

Remember when Art was saying that it's fine for JLC to have a blog, but it was what he was doing with it that was causing him to catch so much flack over his blog? Consider this a perfect example.

[ClintonINFORSIX26]

They said in the Washington Post article Rosenhaus and the front office were talking about an extension....Lets hope all goes well

[SKINTENSE1]

I'm just talking out of my ass, but I like to say that I'd be happy with 1/4 the salary of these guys. isn't every single player in the nfl making WELL over what any of the members in this site? None of us can relate to them and the decision making. That's why you just have to take what their agents decide with a grain of salt. I also will never relate to how some of these players cannot stay on good behavior (TO, Mike Vick...)when the least that they can do for an organization that is paying them that much is play their best and be a good boy when not playing.

I've always said that if I were getting paid that much, I'd shut my mouth since after about $3 million, who the hell needs more to live off of? But again, I can't relate.

[ClintonINFORSIX26]

Kelli Johnson just said that people close to taylor are not worried about him, most people don't feel it is a hold out situation. She also said a contract extension is rumored to be in the works. She just said it on washington post live.

[21 always]

I'm just talking out of my ass, but I like to say that I'd be happy with 1/4 the salary of these guys. isn't every single player in the nfl making WELL over what any of the members in this site? None of us can relate to them and the decision making. That's why you just have to take what their agents decide with a grain of salt. I also will never relate to how some of these players cannot stay on good behavior (TO, Mike Vick...)when the least that they can do for an organization that is paying them that much is play their best and be a good boy when not playing.

I've always said that if I were getting paid that much, I'd shut my mouth since after about $3 million, who the hell needs more to live off of? But again, I can't relate.

Taylor does not get 3 mill a year he gets less.

[jrockster21]

I can see why Taylor would be unhappy with his contract. He was forced out of his natural position last season, and asked to play in the box a lot more. In the box is where injuries happen - he may not believe GW when he says he will be allowed to ballhawk this season - after all, that's what was supposed to happen last season with Arch playing in the box, remember?

Also, this should come as no surprise to anyone, especially seeing as how Taylor was unhappy with his contract in 05 as well.

My worst fear - Taylor ends up with Philthy as Dawkins' replacement. :(

[tizzod]

:doh: How many players on our defense play better than him currently.

Doesn't matter if he is the best player on our team. He hasn't been consistent enough to justify ridiculous money. Just yet.

We can't pay him this year anyway, I don't think. Do we have the money?

[#1HIT]

7 years 19 mil? im actually surprised that he's been playing with this contract for three years. For him getting payed is long overdue, specially with the rumors of Landry going to get payed ore than him. He deserves to get a new contract and i dont want to hear anyone bitchin about him being selfish.. 19 mil for seven years, that is redicolous for a player he is!

[Tom10Y]

Seriously. I hope a deal is done. We need to keep our players. The face of the Redskins changes every couple of years. Who are we, Michael Jackson!? :laugh:

[skinsn24]

Ding.

Remember when Art was saying that it's fine for JLC to have a blog, but it was what he was doing with it that was causing him to catch so much flack over his blog? Consider this a perfect example.

Hun? What should JLC do with his blog?

A blog is a personal, online, journal, where ones opinion is expected to be expressed. I dont know why this is hard for people to understand.

It is not his fault if others use his personal opinion from his blog to report things. No one is required to read his opinon either.

So I ask, if JLC shouldnt give his opinion, in his own blog, What should JLC do with his personal blog?



Also keep in mind talk of a new deal was mentioned in a HB print article this morning as well.

[dfbovey]

thats what his contract was??? 7 years 19 mil? thats an insult.

It's worth up to 40 million if he reaches his incentives.

[#1HIT]

I'd like to know his demands. I can understand if he wants his admittedly crappy rookie deal reworked but I have a feeling he's going to want to be the top paid player at his position, which he's not, not by a long shot.

If he thinks knocking a punter down in the Pro-Bowl overshadows his late reacting, bad angle taking, deer in the headlights season he had last year, he's the one with issues.
its for fans like you that we lose Champ, davis, smoot, pierce, u guyz are never satisfiesd with our best player, whos next portis?

[skinsn24]

its for fans like you that we lose Champ, davis, smoot, pierce, u guyz are never satisfiesd with our best player, whos next portis? Much different situation here. ST is the best player in the league at his postion, not even close.

Champ was the best player and contiinues to be hands down.

Neither Pierce nor smoot wanted top player money, letting them go were horrible decisions.

I want ST signed long term (which he already is) but i want him to play well too.

It is very fustrating the way NFL players can just depend more money even if there play doesnt say they should get more.

[SkinsGuy]

Also keep in mind talk of a new deal was mentioned in a HB print article this morning as well.


Whether the Redskins and Rosenhaus are talking extension for Taylor or not isn't the issue.

The issue is some (like JLC) wrongly speculating that Taylor wasn't in Washington for the first OTA b/c he is unhappy with his contract.

NOBODY has talked to Taylor.

NOBODY has talked to Rosenhaus.

Players all over the NFL don't participate in these OTAs all the time. Why does his absence have to mean something? :rolleyes:

[Jino]

[QUOTE=Hitnskins]Yep, let's go ahead and reward a guy who NEVER EVEN WANTS TO BE AROUND THE REDSKINS or their facility.....has no idea about what it means to be a team player...doesn't study like he should, etc, etc.....the only way he makes it now is just on pure talent alone....the problme is, that you usually reward people for doing all the right things....not for skipping practices, and not wanting to be around here, and being a good face of the organization, and to my knowledge, he hasn't done any of those things! Unfortunately in my experiences in life, when you reward someone on potential instead of results, it's usually been a bad deal!
QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly!

[BleedBNG]

Give him the same kind of contract we gave Arch (minus 3 years). AA's was something like $29M total for 6 years ($10M bonus). Sean's was $17.9M total ($13M bonus) at the time of contract signing. Just offer him $10 mil for a 3 year re-negotiated deal.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Didn't he signed that deal?
agreed

[NewCliche21]

Doesn't matter if he is the best player on our team. He hasn't been consistent enough to justify ridiculous money. Just yet.

We can't pay him this year anyway, I don't think. Do we have the money?

Yes, but AA was brilliant for us before he received that contract, right?

And any other player in the league has made as many game-changing plays for a defense that couldn't stop a leaf from reaching the ground, right?

Oh.

Wait.

[RideorDieChic]

All this rant about ST having the audacity to ask for more money after last year's performance and saying he doesn't deserve it is hogwash. Taylor have executed consitently for this team all 3 years. I wont get into how poorly the entire defense performed, because that would just be too damn much to type, besides, there are more than enough threads floating around about how poor our defense was.

One very important thing the NAY sayers and Sean Taylor haters must keep in mind is the fact that ARCHULETA received a HEFTY 10 million signing bonus before he set foot at Redskins Park. As we all know Arch was a total bust and did not contribute much to the team, yet he walked out of here 10million dollars richer.

In spite of Taylors low year he still led the team in tackles, that alone should speak for itself.

Archuleta who got a bigger bonus, did nothing for the Redskins in comparison to Sean Taylor. So let's objective and unbias about this by taking everything into account.



Taylor fully deserves and has demonstrated through production that he earned the money he is asking for, and I seriously doubt if infact he is "holding out", it have anything to do with Landry.

[skinsfan07]

Just heard it on triple X. Hope this gets resolved soon. According to the Washington Post its true says ESPN radio.

I hate the stupid media always trying to make something out of nothing.

[Vi]

When ST says there is a problem, it will be a problem. Until then, none of this arguing over what we may or may not know won't do us much good.

If the issue DOES arrive, I'd say pay the man. So what if we are overpaying for a player that may or may not be spectacular... we do it all the time. At least this time it will be for a home-grown player that has proven himself a useful commodity to the team.

[skinsfan07]

I mean all our FO has to do is look at my sig!

Do they really want a guy like that leaving the team????? Come on get a damn deal done.

And while we're at it, give Cooley an extension too! Both deserve it!

[SkinsOrlando]

Speculation at this point is clearly just speculation, chicken little seems to have a lot of members at this site because the sky is always falling.

[H-O-G]

We have to pay top 5 money to both landry and taylor? I bet one of them will be gone in 5 years..just not enough money.

[Nuwanda]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/08/AR2007050801754.html

The Post also said this morning that Bug Eyes and Rosenhaus are talking on a contract extension, so the Skins are working on it.

"Sources added that Director of Player Personnel Vinny Cerrato and Taylor's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, had been in discussions in recent weeks regarding a contract extension for Taylor, whose contract expires after the 2008 season."
Sean's contract expires after the 08 season? Who wrote this piece of crap? :doh:

[#1HIT]

Much different situation here. ST is the best player in the league at his postion, not even close.

Champ was the best player and contiinues to be hands down.

Neither Pierce nor smoot wanted top player money, letting them go were horrible decisions.

I want ST signed long term (which he already is) but i want him to play well too.

It is very fustrating the way NFL players can just depend more money even if there play doesnt say they should get more.

If u were Taylor and u saw Archueta get the biggest contract as a safety ever and eventually going to see a rookie get a bigger contract than you, wouldnt you demand to be the highest payed safety specially when your a beast? comeon lets be real, Taylor is only 24 and going to be the best safety befoe he hits 30.o u might wanna pay him now befoe he's price even goes higher.

[#1HIT]

[QUOTE=Hitnskins]Yep, let's go ahead and reward a guy who NEVER EVEN WANTS TO BE AROUND THE REDSKINS or their facility.....has no idea about what it means to be a team player...doesn't study like he should, etc, etc.....the only way he makes it now is just on pure talent alone....the problme is, that you usually reward people for doing all the right things....not for skipping practices, and not wanting to be around here, and being a good face of the organization, and to my knowledge, he hasn't done any of those things! Unfortunately in my experiences in life, when you reward someone on potential instead of results, it's usually been a bad deal!
QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly!
Taylor is the best player in our team hands down... that's all i have to say

[skinsn24]

If u were Taylor and u saw Archueta get the biggest contract as a safety ever and eventually going to see a rookie get a bigger contract than you, wouldnt you demand to be the highest payed safety specially when your a beast? comeon lets be real, Taylor is only 24 and going to be the best safety befoe he hits 30.o u might wanna pay him now befoe he's price even goes higher.

1. ST is not the best saftey in the league, not even close, take the blinder off.

2. He has potential to be great but has not reached it.

3. 2 wrongs dont make a right. It was wrong to give AA all that money, giving a record deal for Taylor, while he still has many years left on the current deal, is not right.

4. If i was taylor, yes i would be pissed

5. I want him to get locked up long term, just dont at a cap breaking deal, then again after he redoes his deal, what is to stop him from wanting another huge deal 3 years from now?

6. Wouldn't it be nice if players actually honored the contract they had.

7. If Taylor has been as great as some think, he would have reached some of the incentives in his contract that could bump it up to 40 mill, but he hasnt, i wonder why?

[skinsn24]

Whether the Redskins and Rosenhaus are talking extension for Taylor or not isn't the issue.

The issue is some (like JLC) wrongly speculating that Taylor wasn't in Washington for the first OTA b/c he is unhappy with his contract.

NOBODY has talked to Taylor.

NOBODY has talked to Rosenhaus.

Players all over the NFL don't participate in these OTAs all the time. Why does his absence have to mean something? :rolleyes:

1. JLC wrote his opinion, in an opinion piece, called his blog. Not in a printed WP article. Not in anything that gets published or edited. Not any different from a poster here saying "my friend talked to JC's dad last year"

2. I believe JLC said missing offseason workouts are usually no big deal, but its the fact that taylor has had some problems and has skipped in the past, and has complained about salary in the past, that has some worried.

[Taylor 21]

Man they better resign him. His a huge presence in our defense.

[Blue Collar Skins]

This just drives me crazy. It's just speculation!

[One Shot]

come on ST, don't be a ****** pansy. We love you man, if this is true, why are you doing this? Just go out this year and earn that contract, please?

[Reic]

I guess I will speculate that our FO will make ST see dollar signs for the rest of his career in Washington.

[#98QBKiller]

I guess I will speculate that our FO will make ST see dollar signs for the rest of his career in Washington.


Finally. Some positive speculation. Sheesh.

[SkinsManNJ]

His contract is for 7 years isn't? We need to up his pay after this season anyway if he and Landry perform well.

[playboy1972]

When you cut Ryan Clark, who wanted 1.2 million and make Archy the highest paid safety in NFL history, and follow that up by drafting a safety that will command more than Sean got the first time, all this adds up to is an organization that has no self control until the crap hits the fan. So don't expect Sean Taylor to be around much this up coming pre-season, because the guy named Drew will make sure the Skins sweat a little and break the bank for Sean, who by the way has "two" years left on his contract. So it will be fun watching my childhood team twist in the wind trying to figure which high profile player they can cut i.e.-Lloyd, Griffin, Washington, and possibly Brunell. Oh my, football is the last thing on the minds of Redskins faithful. Holdouts, OTA's, coaching blunders, QB vs. WR's, and Portis's annual *****-fest. What has happened to my freakin' team.:whoknows:

[ouvan59]

shouldnt everyone be shooting down espn radio like you were last night when lacanfora said it? or is everyone taking this more seriously now?

You realize they are probably just speculating off of LaCanfora's speculation, right? 99% of the sports news reported by ESPN is taken from somewhere else. My guess is that the news is probably accurate given Taylor's history but just because ESPN radio reports it doesn't make it credible.

[Soup]

They paid AA way wouln't they pay taylor.

[illone]

I can understand taylor being unhappy with his deal. If I was his agent I would want more money for my client as well.

What's funny is how you guys all think he is the greatest safety ever until it comes time for payday and then you say he isn't worth the big bucks.

Which one is it, ladies. Make up your minds already.

[PorkSkins]

I saw this one coming. First we over paid AA and now we drafted another safety for even more money.

[angel2]

Just heard it on triple X. Hope this gets resolved soon. According to the Washington Post its true says ESPN radio.





That's what happens when the team drafts another untested Safety.

He's allowed to be unhappy.

[StillUnknown]

1. ST is not the best saftey in the league, not even close, take the blinder off.

2. He has potential to be great but has not reached it.

3. 2 wrongs dont make a right. It was wrong to give AA all that money, giving a record deal for Taylor, while he still has many years left on the current deal, is not right.

4. If i was taylor, yes i would be pissed

5. I want him to get locked up long term, just dont at a cap breaking deal, then again after he redoes his deal, what is to stop him from wanting another huge deal 3 years from now?

6. Wouldn't it be nice if players actually honored the contract they had.

7. If Taylor has been as great as some think, he would have reached some of the incentives in his contract that could bump it up to 40 mill, but he hasnt, i wonder why?

wouldn't it be nice if nfl teams honored contracts they signed, they constantly ask players to restructure or be cut. i'm not going to fault any player for trying to get as much as they can when they can in a league in which contracts are not guaranteed.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I'd redo Taylor's contract on good faith. He shouldn't be paid less than a rookie and I'm sure we have big plans on defense that involve Taylor.

You can point to last year, but seriously, who on that defense played well? Did Taylor not seal our trip to the playoffs in 05? Two weeks, two consectutive defensive TD's? Did he not come up big against Dallas last year? How about in 05?

I say pay the man and lets get him back to destroyin people and snatchin balls out of the air.

[SkinsGuy]

1. JLC wrote his opinion, in an opinion piece, called his blog. Not in a printed WP article. Not in anything that gets published or edited. Not any different from a poster here saying "my friend talked to JC's dad last year"

Hence why I said he "speculated". :)

Not surprisingly, he speculated in the negative directon.


2. I believe JLC said missing offseason workouts are usually no big deal, but its the fact that taylor has had some problems and has skipped in the past, and has complained about salary in the past, that has some worried.

Taylor missed none last year.

Taylor missed some before due to his legal issues.

If memory serves, back then folks were "speculating" (i.e. bitching on this website) that it REALLY had to do with his unhappiness with his contract.

When Taylor returned, having resolved his legal issues, even he himself said his absence from the OTAs had nothing to do with his contract.

Taylor may want a new deal eventually. His agent and the Redskins may or may not have started preliminary negotiations on the subject.

However, to jump to the conclusion that Taylor is MIA in D.C. b/c of this or he is unhappy about something in Washington or is jealous of Landry or some other nonsense is really reaching.

[O.S.F]

I think that the FO will try to work something out. As bad as he played last year, I would rank him top 5 (maybe top 3) defensive player on our team.

The other point is that Taylor sells tickets/merchandises, much like Lavar before him, and that's worth more to a team than just hits/interceptions. To bad Drew H realized that too.

[ArmchairRedskin]

If we extend Taylor I'll buy his jersey. Only one I own is Portis right now. Hook it up Danny!

[Dr. Terrapin]

It wasn't so bad at the time when it was the highest contract ever signed by a safety (at the time) and the guy had yet to take a snap at the pro level.

I can't believe all this crying here over a guy actually having to play out the first few years of a rookie contract.

How about we establish a team culture of "If you sign it, we're going to hold you to it"....Do the Patriots tear up contracts whenever someone gets their feelings hurt?

Besides, as much as I love the way the man plays, his incident in Florida was clearly somewhere on the list of reasons why the league instituted the tougher new conduct rules that have put Pacman Jones out for the year. I'd like to see a little more track record of the new, more mature Sean before we think about an extension....We're talking about a lot of dead cap space if he winds up tossed out of the league in week 2 of a season for something stupid.

Sorry ST...I'm a big fan, but we have to look out for the team first.

[APBT]

He better get on the field.

The team did it to themselves by paying that bum (Arch) all that money.

[skinsn24]

Taylor missed none last year.

Taylor missed some before due to his legal issues.

However, to jump to the conclusion that Taylor is MIA in D.C. b/c of this or he is unhappy about something in Washington or is jealous of Landry or some other nonsense is really reaching. I am pretty sure the article was speculating that his contract could be ONE of the reasons he is not here. No one has said it as a fact. Hell the article even said it could be excused and we will know more tommorow. Selective Perception on how you read that, no?

Taylor has in the passed expressed how dissapointed he was in his contract. He fired his agent over it. No sense in denying that.

Here is a quote from the Howard Bryant Print Article, i assume you dont think he is trash as well:

"However, numerous players suggested that Taylor likely would not be in attendance, a byproduct of his possible displeasure with his contract. "

And as far as the time he has missed, here is how Bryant put it:

"Taylor attended the voluntary workouts sporadically in 2004 and not at all in 2005, then had perfect attendance last year."

Also considering in 05 he was arrested in June, missing workouts in May, doent seem to stem from the legal problems, missing the workouts and being in FL seemed to have caused the legal problems:2cents:

[TK]

So I ask, if JLC shouldnt give his opinion, in his own blog, What should JLC do with his personal blog?

1. It's not his personal blog. It's his WP blog.

2. Perhaps the WP should add a disclaimer to it stating that it is a collection of JLC's opinions so that ESPN Radio & others aren't picking up on it as fact.

3. And maybe change that Redskins Insider title to something more fitting. Like I'm to good to post my opinion on a message board, so this will let me do it by proxy.

[redskinsfan1201]

i hope you are right, but the same things were said about Stephen Davis, Champ, Lavar, etc........

my head hurts after hearing this news

Stephen Davis didnt do much after us, Champ was a bad lose but we got a great franchise back in return in CP, and Lavar is not in the NFL anymore

[Califan007]

"However, numerous players suggested that Taylor likely would not be in attendance, a byproduct of his possible displeasure with his contract. "

This statement is SO loaded and full of ****...

HB says that numerous players suggested that Taylor would not be in attendance...but he does NOT say that they feel it's because of his displeasure with his contract. That's HB's take on it. However, the way it's written you would reach the conclusion that the players were saying this themselves.

Also, to say his absence is a byproduct of Taylor's "possible" displeasure is flawed logic to the max. It can be a possible "byproduct" of an actual situation...but it can NOT be a definite byproduct of a possible situation.

[thomasroane]

I would like to see SeanT spend a little more time in the film room first. Psychologically, it would not be in our best interest to give them contracts until after the season. Better to have to of your best players on the team play hungry than fat and happy.

[grego]

wouldn't it be nice if nfl teams honored contracts they signed, they constantly ask players to restructure or be cut. i'm not going to fault any player for trying to get as much as they can when they can in a league in which contracts are not guaranteed.

ugghh. no and no. :doh:

[onnie007]

As much as the Skins pamper him, a deal WILL be done. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a contract making him the highest paid safety within the next couple of months/year. There is no way that ST will be playing in a different color than B&G for his career. This guy is here to stay. It will be some ridiculous contract like what the owner of the Isles gave DiPietro (15 year contract) last summer...I know it is a different sport, but I think we shouldn't be too surprised if ST gets a crazy deal from the Skins....

I pray that you're right.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

I'm going to give Rosenhaus the benefit of the doubt on this one. He's a smart business man. He didn't get to where he's gotten without being smart in once capacity or another. Think about this, he has a honey pot here with the Redskins because he and Daniel Snyder have a great working relationship and get things done. He's not going to hinder that relationship over one player.. Players can come and go... money will always flow.

What i'm seeing here is what has happened in the past, if Sean doesn't have to be here.. he's not going to be here. And when he comes back every media person is going to ask him if he's unhappy with his contract and he's going to say no, i'm very happy where i'm at blah blah blah. Sean Taylor isn't an idiot.. I met the guy and had a nice 20 minute talk with him and he's a very smart individual. He knows he's going to get extended and not showing up isn't the way to get things done. The coaches and staff love Taylor, he and Cooley will be locked up in due time. These are the "core" Redskins that the coaches always talk about.. they're going no where.

If I recall the media tried to stir up the last time he didn't show and it was all about nothing.... Just trying to sell papers and need something fill air time.

[onnie007]

I'm going to give Rosenhaus the benefit of the doubt on this one. He's a smart business man. He didn't get to where he's gotten without being smart in once capacity or another. Think about this, he has a honey pot here with the Redskins because he and Daniel Snyder have a great working relationship and get things done. He's not going to hinder that relationship over one player.. Players can come and go... money will always flow.

What i'm seeing here is what has happened in the past, if Sean doesn't have to be here.. he's not going to be here. And when he comes back every media person is going to ask him if he's unhappy with his contract and he's going to say no, i'm very happy where i'm at blah blah blah. Sean Taylor isn't an idiot.. I met the guy and had a nice 20 minute talk with him and he's a very smart individual. He knows he's going to get extended and not showing up isn't the way to get things done. The coaches and staff love Taylor, he and Cooley will be locked up in due time. These are the "core" Redskins that the coaches always talk about.. they're going no where.

If I recall the media tried to stir up the last time he didn't show and it was all about nothing.... Just trying to sell papers and need something fill air time.

:whew: I really needed to hear that.:cheers:

[skinsn24]

This statement is SO loaded and full of ****...

HB says that numerous players suggested that Taylor would not be in attendance...but he does NOT say that they feel it's because of his displeasure with his contract. That's HB's take on it. However, the way it's written you would reach the conclusion that the players were saying this themselves.

Also, to say his absence is a byproduct of Taylor's "possible" displeasure is flawed logic to the max. It can be a possible "byproduct" of an actual situation...but it can NOT be a definite byproduct of a possible situation. Hahah Califan, i didnt say it, HB did, but you know this, so dont take the anger out on me.

Most here dislike JLC but like HB so i thought the quote was worth a mention.

You are correct that it cannot be a byproduct of a possible situation, poor writing on his part.

I wonder if players commented on the contract situation or not, the way it is written, it is really left to the reader to infer if players notioned that or if HB did.

[Greekdude]

I am pretty sure the article was speculating that his contract could be ONE of the reasons he is not here. No one has said it as a fact. Hell the article even said it could be excused and we will know more tommorow. Selective Perception on how you read that, no?

Taylor has in the passed expressed how dissapointed he was in his contract. He fired his agent over it. No sense in denying that.

Here is a quote from the Howard Bryant Print Article, i assume you dont think he is trash as well:

"However, numerous players suggested that Taylor likely would not be in attendance, a byproduct of his possible displeasure with his contract. "

And as far as the time he has missed, here is how Bryant put it:

"Taylor attended the voluntary workouts sporadically in 2004 and not at all in 2005, then had perfect attendance last year."

Also considering in 05 he was arrested in June, missing workouts in May, doent seem to stem from the legal problems, missing the workouts and being in FL seemed to have caused the legal problems:2cents:

Hey JLC just quit speculating and everything will be OK:D :laugh:

[skinsn24]

wouldn't it be nice if nfl teams honored contracts they signed, they constantly ask players to restructure or be cut. i'm not going to fault any player for trying to get as much as they can when they can in a league in which contracts are not guaranteed. Actually no. NFL players know what in their contract is gaurenteed to them and what is not. When they sign the contract they know exactly what they are getting.

They know if they sign a deal with performances clauses tha they need to reach those incentives to get paid.

[skinsn24]

1. It's not his personal blog. It's his WP blog.

2. Perhaps the WP should add a disclaimer to it stating that it is a collection of JLC's opinions so that ESPN Radio & others aren't picking up on it as fact.

3. And maybe change that Redskins Insider title to something more fitting. Like I'm to good to post my opinion on a message board, so this will let me do it by proxy.

Fair points TK, so then the problem isnt so much "what he does with his blog" it would then be "where is blog is located and what it is called". I think there are blogs on this website that are titled "Redskins ____." Maybe they should change the name to Redskins Insider Blog.

Still anyone that reads the blog, knows that it is infact a blog. Jason calls it a blog all the time. There are acutally links called "blog comments." Jason talks about his family life in it as well. There are constantly "Guest Blogs" where fans get to write. The updates are called "posts" not articles. Seriously, if a read cannot tell that it is a personal blog, then the reader has a major problem.

Blame Espn Radio for being the donkey that they are and not picking up on that fact.

Personally I can tell what a blog is pretty easily. I can tell what a print article is, and i also know that if i dont like someones writing, i just wont read it.

[skinsn24]

Hey JLC just quit speculating and everything will be OK:D :laugh: Us fans speculate all the time. How many threads are posted "should we sign this player" "I just heard this from my friends aunt, but i think its true".....all of a sudden a writer on his blog, speculates, and everyone on this site goes nuts. If you dont like what he has to say, dont read his blog. It is really that simple.

I like getting all kinds of opinions, negative ones, postives ones, speculation and the like.

[Dirk Diggler]

Some of you should be in the ES remedial class. If you believe that the Redskins made the Archuleta the highest paid safety in the league - you are an idiot. If you believe that Sean Taylor signing a 7 year 19 mill contract means he's averaged less than 3 mill per year in his first 3 years - you are a moron.

The reality is - Archuleta played one year and got 5.5 mill to do it. Now he's off the books. Highest paid safety? Please.

Taylor banked 13 mill in guarantees and has made somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-17 mill in his first 3 years in the league. Hardly peanuts.

[skinsn24]

Some of you should be in the ES remedial class. If you believe that the Redskins made the Archuleta the highest paid safety in the league - you are an idiot. If you believe that Sean Taylor signing a 7 year 19 mill contract means he's averaged less than 3 mill per year in his first 3 years - you are a moron.

The reality is - Archuleta played one year and got 5.5 mill to do it. Now he's off the books. Highest paid safety? Please.

Taylor banked 13 mill in guarantees and has made somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-17 mill in his first 3 years in the league. Hardly peanuts. Valid points Dirk, but AA did get released after the first season. He started what 7 games?

Ill use your 5.5 number but im pretty sure it was close to 7 (5 to sign +base+whatever deal we worked out with chitown)

but at 5.5 its .81 million per start..not to shabby.

Sean still has 4.4 Million of base salary not paid to him, so he is prob right at the lower end of the spectrum you gave, but hey ill take 14.5 mill every day of the week.

[#98QBKiller]

If you believe that the Redskins made the Archuleta the highest paid safety in the league - you are an idiot.
The reality is - Archuleta played one year and got 5.5 mill to do it. Now he's off the books. Highest paid safety? Please


I'm not on the side that's arguing that ST needs a gimongous contract and you're right the Redskins did not make Archuleta the highest-paid safety in NFL history, but he would have been had he played out his contract.

I think people are arguing a matter of principle, why would they offer Arch a contract that big, and not ST when ST is clearly a better player at the same position.

With that being said, I'm not pro or anti when it comes to giving ST a big contract. I'm just for trying to keep him on the team.

[Dirk Diggler]

Valid points Dirk, but AA did get released after the first season. He started what 7 games?

Ill use your 5.5 number but im pretty sure it was close to 7 (5 to sign +base+whatever deal we worked out with chitown)

but at 5.5 its .81 million per start..not to shabby.

I'm not debating that AA was a complete waste of 5.5 mill. And that's a lot of money for one season. But do you think that Ed Reed, Polamulu, Sean Taylor or any other top safety would take a 1 year 5.5 mill contract over Taylor's rookie contract? Hell no. Because it's all about the guaranteed money. Taylor got over 13 mill guaranteed. AA got 5. People saying that AA got a bigger contract than Taylor have a 3rd grade understanding of football.

[Dirk Diggler]

I think people are arguing a matter of principle, why would they offer Arch a contract that big, and not ST when ST is clearly a better player at the same position.


See my prior posts in this thread.

At the time, ST had played 2 years of a 7 year contract. He was best remembered in 2005 for brandishing a gun at someone and spitting in Michael Pittman's face. Yes - let's tear up his contract and give him MORE money than the 13 mill guaranteed! :doh:

[isle-hawg]

Where does he get off demanding a raise after his utter crap season he just had full of blown coverages, getting burnt, and missed tackles. Usually you are suppose to tear it up before you demand a new contract.

Problem was we had no secondary last year with injuries to SS and CR throughout the year. AA di not pan out as the FO expected and PP was out for the season on the opening KO of regular season. ST was asked to do to much (play LB, CB and Safety). It did not work. We did not address our DL (yet) but did address our secondary. ST is a beast we need to make him happy and a Redskin for life IMO:helmet:

[angel2]

we already ****ed him over on his rookie deal and lets not **** this one.. the redskins owe him





You hit the nail on the head. This is good news for the Skins because they can sign him before he becomes a FA.

I say give him what he is due. Sean Taylor is a difference maker, period.

[six4g]

I don't believe that anyone should be surprised if ST asks for, or eventually asks to have his deal redone. If you're "suppossedly" considered the best defensive player on your team, and year in year out you watch your team trot in the next great FA signing with an trailer load of money; sooner or later you gotta ask when do I get mine. After seeing the crazy deals they gave BLloyd and ARE, I wouldn't be shocked to hear ol' #89's agent crying in the media. If the FO continues to throw money at "average"or even sub-par players its only natural for your real stars to want their cut.

Deny if you can: If the brand new hire in your office gets signed on for way more money that you're getting to do the same job that you're obviously the best at doing; would you ask for a raise? Especially if the new guy/girl proved to not have a clue.

[six4g]

Oh, and if we really wait until we actually hear ST complain, I think it'll be too late. Nip it before it becomes a problem.

[yonisredskins]

don't ever screw up with ST. I will never fogive the FO if they don't pay this guy. He's been one of the bright spots of this team for the last 3 years. AA stole money and got to walk out with 0 production, do not disappoint ST.

[skinsn24]

I'm not debating that AA was a complete waste of 5.5 mill. And that's a lot of money for one season. But do you think that Ed Reed, Polamulu, Sean Taylor or any other top safety would take a 1 year 5.5 mill contract over Taylor's rookie contract? Hell no. Because it's all about the guaranteed money. Taylor got over 13 mill guaranteed. AA got 5. People saying that AA got a bigger contract than Taylor have a 3rd grade understanding of football.

This is not 100% accurate. AA got 5 Mill the first year and was scheduled to get another 5 this offseason plus lots of base salary after that year.

ST did not get 13 mill in 1 year, he still hasnt gotten all the 13 if i understand his contract correctly. But will recieve it no matter what.

[Greekdude]

Us fans speculate all the time. How many threads are posted "should we sign this player" "I just heard this from my friends aunt, but i think its true".....all of a sudden a writer on his blog, speculates, and everyone on this site goes nuts. If you dont like what he has to say, dont read his blog. It is really that simple.

I like getting all kinds of opinions, negative ones, postives ones, speculation and the like.

Hey tell your Big Bro JLC to stop stirring sheet up since you are defending the clown:doh:

[heyholetsgogrant]

Did anyone not expect this? geez I hate pro sports sometimes. Too much complaining.,.

-Grant

[megared]

Actually no. NFL players know what in their contract is gaurenteed to them and what is not. When they sign the contract they know exactly what they are getting.

They know if they sign a deal with performances clauses tha they need to reach those incentives to get paid.

Teams manuever every year to get under the cap...and the first people to go are the players at the end of their contract, the ones getting paid the big bucks. There's no loyalty from NFL teams, how can you fault a player for not having it?

What 'loyalty' have the Redskins shown? All they've had to say about him is good things, so why keep the man in a contract that isn't market value? We either extend him now or pay more next offseason. Then we run the risk of him not wanting to resign and voiding the final year of his contract...

Without the full contract in front of us, we have NO idea whether it was fair or not...were the incentives LTBE, or NLTBE? To me it sounds like most of them are NLTBE...

[heyholetsgogrant]

See my prior posts in this thread.

At the time, ST had played 2 years of a 7 year contract. He was best remembered in 2005 for brandishing a gun at someone and spitting in Michael Pittman's face. Yes - let's tear up his contract and give him MORE money than the 13 mill guaranteed! :doh:

:applause: I guess he thinks the dust has settled...remember when he was whining and crying for a new contract before the atv thing and right when it happened you didn’t hear a word out of him?

-Grant

[fight4oldc]

Would love to see ST with a great front 7. He could be the highest paid D player in the league. 100 plus tackles 6 plus sascks 7 ints 3 TD's 4 forced fumbles etc etc... How much is that worth. Who would like to see our man in a Giants Uni.

[skinsn24]

Hey tell your Big Bro JLC to stop stirring sheet up since you are defending the clown:doh: Haha, yes the clown. I dont mind hearing negative opinions, just like i dont mind heairng positive ones. Who forces you to read his blog again?

[Stuckinphilly1]

Yeah, well, show up, play better, and maybe we will think about it.

I didn't know we had a part of the Redskins Front Office actively posting on the forums!!!

[skinsn24]

Teams manuever every year to get under the cap...and the first people to go are the players at the end of their contract, the ones getting paid the big bucks. There's no loyalty from NFL teams, how can you fault a player for not having it?

What 'loyalty' have the Redskins shown? All they've had to say about him is good things, so why keep the man in a contract that isn't market value? We either extend him now or pay more next offseason. Then we run the risk of him not wanting to resign and voiding the final year of his contract...

Without the full contract in front of us, we have NO idea whether it was fair or not...were the incentives LTBE, or NLTBE? To me it sounds like most of them are NLTBE...

I am not agiasnt signing sean now, i just dont think we need to break the bank right now. Salary caps go up by alot each year, so more money later, might mean less money porportionalty.

Second, this garbage of NFL teams cutting old players is true, but the players know this going into the contracts they sign. They know there base salary is not 100% going to be paid. They know exactly how much they will get no matter what, how much they can earn based on incentives and how much they are most likely never going to see. They get paid millions of dollars and think it is cool if they hold out for more, even if they dont deserve it. Giving in sets the wong frame of mind, when a guy currently has a deal. When a player, like say lance briggs, has no contract holding out for more money makes sense. I know ST is not holding out, just saying that so you know where i am coming from.

I agree the skins have let some core guys go that i didnt want to see happen, smooth and pierce + bailey. But all of there left after there deal was expired. Not cut.

[Stuckinphilly1]

I don't believe that anyone should be surprised if ST asks for, or eventually asks to have his deal redone. If you're "suppossedly" considered the best defensive player on your team, and year in year out you watch your team trot in the next great FA signing with an trailer load of money; sooner or later you gotta ask when do I get mine. After seeing the crazy deals they gave BLloyd and ARE, I wouldn't be shocked to hear ol' #89's agent crying in the media. If the FO continues to throw money at "average"or even sub-par players its only natural for your real stars to want their cut.

Deny if you can: If the brand new hire in your office gets signed on for way more money that you're getting to do the same job that you're obviously the best at doing; would you ask for a raise? Especially if the new guy/girl proved to not have a clue.

Thank you!!! Putting it in a real life scenario for us common people to understand. ST has every right to want more money, and he deserves it. He comes to play every down, even when there was nothing to play for last year he was giving it his all.

I do have one question that I'm not sure about.... is he still playing under his rookie contract??? If so then why in God's name would anyone be complaining that he wants more money?!?!?!?!

[GOSKINS_08]

I hope he doesn't hold out, and I dont think he will..Sean deserves to get paid more though.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Pay him and pay Cooley, and be done with it. Start preparing for Campbell's restructure while youre at it.

[RedskinzOwnU]

Let him hold out. He has been an off the field pain in the ass since he got here. He finally got his legal situations straight and now he's just being useless. We shouldn't let him strongarm the team. The only reason I'd be willing to extend his deal right now is because we do have some cap room, and because he might come a little cheaper after what amounted to his poorest season. He is likely to be good again this season --- assuming he shows up.

[GOSKINS_08]

Nobody on our defense played good last season..If the defense is good this season, you will see Sean Taylor have a great season.

[onnie007]

Let him hold out. He has been an off the field pain in the ass since he got here. He finally got his legal situations straight and now he's just being useless. We shouldn't let him strongarm the team. The only reason I'd be willing to extend his deal right now is because we do have some cap room, and because he might come a little cheaper after what amounted to his poorest season. He is likely to be good again this season --- assuming he shows up.

Man, what one losing season will do to some fans I swear.:doh: ST had perfect attendance in last year's offseason regimen and look what it got him. (He led the team in tackles and went to the Pro Bowl and it arguably his worst season) I don't blame him for staying here in Miami. The weather is great and awesome for training in. Plus he stayed in Miami in the '04 and parts of the '05 offseason and had great years so I'm not against it and can't wait till his back in June. :cheers:

[jivelikenice]

Let him hold out. He has been an off the field pain in the ass since he got here. He finally got his legal situations straight and now he's just being useless. We shouldn't let him strongarm the team. The only reason I'd be willing to extend his deal right now is because we do have some cap room, and because he might come a little cheaper after what amounted to his poorest season. He is likely to be good again this season --- assuming he shows up.

So he got in trouble with the law after his rookie season and he is now branded as an "off the field pain in the a--"??? A little harsh, don't you think especially considering the shadiness of the case against him and the charges in general.....

[skinsn24]

So he got in trouble with the law after his rookie season and he is now branded as an "off the field pain in the a--"??? A little harsh, don't you think especially considering the shadiness of the case against him and the charges in general.....

1. Only attended part of 04 OTAs
2. skipped mandatory NFL rookie meetings
3. Got arrested on DUI charges--october 04
4. Spitt in Pittmans face, swore he didnt do it, said he never did it...we have seen the tape:doh:
5. Skipped all of 05 OTA
6. Got arrested in famous ATV case
7. Now skipping 07 OTA

[TGI Jef]

taylor was what made the landry pick sexy. i highly doubt we draft laron landry #6 overall if we dont have the attraction of pairing him with ST. pay the man. pay the ****ing man. PAY THE ****ING MAN. i need to stop drinking and reading ES, but good lord - we have a monstrous future in our secondary and the ball is in our court - all we need to do is keep it that way. go hampden-sydney college class of 2007.

tgjef

[tr1]

Although Taylor hasn't been my favorite Skin since his arrival, he's probably following Rosenhaus' suggestion to not show up for the OTAs.

If the rumors are true that the Skins are in negotiations over his contract, then Rosenhaus is notorious for advising clients to sit it out until he gets some concessions. This is a tactic to gain leverage in talks.

[Forever21]

we already ****ed him over on his rookie deal and lets not **** this one.. the redskins owe him

And this is a fair point.

He really got a brutal rookie contract from us.

But he didn't play that well last year so it's a tough situation right now.

[ceviker]

And this is a fair point.

He really got a brutal rookie contract from us.

But he didn't play that well last year so it's a tough situation right now.

He still made the pro-bowl. He didn't play that well because he had to cover the entire field because of ****ing arch deluxe. The fact that he still made plays and made pro-bowl under those conditions is a testament on how good he is.

[Forever21]

He still made the pro-bowl. He didn't play that well because he had to cover the entire field because of ****ing arch deluxe. The fact that he still made plays and made pro-bowl under those conditions is a testament on how good he is.

Hey I agree to a point, he wasn't allowed to play his style of game because of the zero coverage skills that AA brought to our secondary.

But I still expected Taylor to pick up more of the slack than he did.

Also, the probowl means nothing.

It is a popularity contest and nothing more.

Michael Vicks's 29 probowl appearances are all the proof I will ever need to know that the probowl is a joke and should never be brought up when discussing if a player is good or if he had a good season.

[Nuwanda]

Also, the probowl means nothing.

It is a popularity contest and nothing more.
yeah, we all know sean taylor is one of the most popular players in the nfl. right behind marvin harrison and tomlinson :rolleyes:

[Forever21]

yeah, we all know sean taylor is one of the most popular players in the nfl. right behind marvin harrison and tomlinson :rolleyes:

He is very popular and well known across the NFL not just in DC.

He is a hardhitting safety, everyone's favourite kind, so of course he makes the probowl.

See Roy Williams for further proof.

Disclaimer - I am absolutely not comparing Taylor to Williams, just making my point about players making the probowl.

[Nuwanda]

He is very popular and well known across the NFL not just in DC.

He is a hardhitting safety, everyone's favourite kind, so of course he makes the probowl.

See Roy Williams for further proof.

Disclaimer - I am absolutely not comparing Taylor to Williams, just making my point about players making the probowl.
dude stop it already, he is NOT popular. most fans hate him because he's so good and because of the pittman incident

[ArmchairRedskin]

He is very popular and well known across the NFL not just in DC.

He is a hardhitting safety, everyone's favourite kind, so of course he makes the probowl.

See Roy Williams for further proof.

Disclaimer - I am absolutely not comparing Taylor to Williams, just making my point about players making the probowl.



How did Taylor all of a sudden become popular, though? He was totally unknown for two years and then last year somehow he gained name recognition enough to get the popular vote? I don't buy it.

Besides, you don't use last year alone as a measuring stick. You look at all three years. How many times has he come thru in the clutch? In 05 he came thru a bunch. Crayton stop? TD in PHilly? TD against TB in Playoffs? Plus all the other plays he's made in his time here.

If for nothing else, he's outplayed his rookie contract. He's proven he's an NFL talent and no rookie coming in that plays safety should make more than he does.

[Forever21]

How did Taylor all of a sudden become popular, though? He was totally unknown for two years and then last year somehow he gained name recognition enough to get the popular vote? I don't buy it.

All of a sudden? Taylor has been popular and well known since his rookie year. I am surprised people here thought he was some secret. The media and fans have been talking about him and his hitting ability since he came in, and hard hiting safeties always get serious attention from fans.


If for nothing else, he's outplayed his rookie contract. He's proven he's an NFL talent and no rookie coming in that plays safety should make more than he does.

I agree.

[ST21]

He does deserve to get paid more but do you think he would take the money we think he deserves??? I don't. I think when ST, when a new contract in negotiated, is going to want to be the highest paid safety in the league. Right now, I do not think he is worth that, so the front office is kind of stuck. Either you pay him more than he is worth or let him play out the contract he signed. I vote for the latter and if he continues to show improvement then you make him the highest paid safety in the league. The big problem is the mistake the FO made with AA last year. Why would you pay some one that kind of money!!!

[stwasm]

He still has a contract. He played poorly last season. He needs to get his sorry, no-account self into camp and prove he's worthy of a fat contract. Yes, he's done a number of great things on the field, but he's yet to prove himself to be the second coming of Ronnie Lott.

[TheSource]

thats what his contract was??? 7 years 19 mil? thats an insult.

Then he should fire his agent.

[cphil006]

Taylor signed the richest contract for a safety in history, with the incentives.

you keep saying 7 year 19 million. His contract expires in 2008, so obviously that 7 years is not the case. the 19 million does NOT include incentives. The incentives push it to almost 40 million

[cphil006]

He likes working out in Miami.

We made a huge mistake by paying Adam ARchuleta more than him. Taylor did more in his short career than Archuleta did in his longer one.

Pay Taylor at least what you paid Arch. plus $1

[Isifhan]

Then he should fire his agent.


Uh, he did. Seriously though do you guys not read? The contract wasn't 7 years 19 mil. I don't know where you are getting that from. The contract is worth as much as $40 mil as long as he hits his incentives based on playing time and All pro and pro bowl selections. Since he made the pro bowl last year, you can assume he hit a few benchmarks in his contract.

[JetSkins]

hes already overpaid

[cphil006]

This is not 100% accurate. AA got 5 Mill the first year and was scheduled to get another 5 this offseason plus lots of base salary after that year.

ST did not get 13 mill in 1 year, he still hasnt gotten all the 13 if i understand his contract correctly. But will recieve it no matter what.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/WAS/7529976

this should clear up some info on the contract. He recieved a 7.2 million dollar signing bonus. With escalators and incentives it could push his contract to:

$40 million over six years, while the seventh year can be voided.

The escalators are based on playing time, performance and Pro Bowl or All-Pro selections.

[Diesel70ChipOnWhite]

hes already overpaid

:jerk: im sure you are too......

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

If they extend him with three years left, they are insane.

[AKM311]

If they extend him with three years left, they are insane.


No its not, because they save money by doing it now. The extension will not void his last three years, just tack on years to the existing contract.

Meaning he still gets paid cheap for 2 more years now and then will be among the top paid saftey's once the new contract gets put into place.

If we extend in 2 years, then the price then will be HIGHER because the market grows every year.

Do you really think ST is that bad that they can afford to lose him and plug a better saftey in? I don't. Regardless of his stats and issues last year, I think if he is surrounded by the right secondary he is the most intimidating saftey that offenses will fear. Its hard to get players like that, players that can impact the offense just standing back there.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

No its not, because they save money by doing it now. The extension will not void his last three years, just tack on years to the existing contract.

Meaning he still gets paid cheap for 2 more years now and then will be among the top paid saftey's once the new contract gets put into place.

If we extend in 2 years, then the price then will be HIGHER because the market grows every year.

Do you really think ST is that bad that they can afford to lose him and plug a better saftey in? I don't. Regardless of his stats and issues last year, I think if he is surrounded by the right secondary he is the most intimidating saftey that offenses will fear. Its hard to get players like that, players that can impact the offense just standing back there.

You don't know how NFL contracts work. If we extend him now, the entire contract is voided. It starts all over again with a new signing bonus and new year to year salaries. And a new impact on the cap. And in the end, you are probably only getting 2 extra years out of him. He will still be in his prime when the contract comes up again.

[AKM311]

You don't know how NFL contracts work. If we extend him now, the entire contract is voided. It starts all over again with a new signing bonus and new year to year salaries. And a new impact on the cap. And in the end, you are probably only getting 2 extra years out of him. He will still be in his prime when the contract comes up again.

I am going by what the Panthers just recently did with Steve Smith. There are two ways to extend a player.

1) Blow up his current contract and start the new contract immediately

or

2) Extend the contract and put it into place once the old deal expires.

The only thing that changes the cap number is the new signing bonus.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I am going by what the Panthers just recently did with Steve Smith. There are two ways to extend a player.

1) Blow up his current contract and start the new contract immediately

or

2) Extend the contract and put it into place once the old deal expires.

The only thing that changes the cap number is the new signing bonus.

I don't think I agree with your police work:

Smith was scheduled to earn $11.55 million in base salaries over the next three seasons, but he will now earn $23.45 million. His guaranteed money includes a $9.3 million bonus this year and a $6 million roster bonus due next season.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6776406

[Dick Edds]

If I ever run across Drew Rosenhaus in public, I swear to God, I'm going to kick him in the balls as hard as I can. There. That's my contribution to this thread. Have a wonderful afternoon.

sound slike a good candidate for http://www.kickedinthenuts.com/ ... it is a funny video ... every perosn it happens to immediatley starts to laugh when they realize they are being video tape.

[Aston]

sound slike a good candidate for http://www.kickedinthenuts.com/ ... it is a funny video ... every perosn it happens to immediatley starts to laugh when they realize they are being video tape.wow. Only in America.

[skinsn24]

Hey tell your Big Bro JLC to stop stirring sheet up since you are defending the clown:doh: Just read the new WP Print article by Bryant. It says that players have said that taylor has told them he is very unhappy with his deal.

I guess this means that maybe JLC was justing pulling things out of his ass?

[Failing2BOptimistic]

Yeah, well, show up, play better, and maybe we will think about it.

Thats all that needs to be said.