Make Your Best/Worst Case Scenario Predications

[skinfan2k]

Go Ahead and pronouce it!! Lets start off in the NFC East first and go on.. I will post my results soon but go ahead and do each team and what u think can happen


Redskins:
Best 11-5
Worst 5-11

Giants:
Best 10-6
Worst 4-12

Eagles:
Best 12-4
Worst 6-10

Cowboys:
Best 12-4
Worst 7-9

[AKM311]

Redskins:
Best 12-4
Worst 6-10

Giants:
Best 10-6
Worst 4-12

Eagles:
Best 13-3
Worst 7-9

Cowboys:
Best 12-4
Worst 6-10

I am bored.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

I am not that bored, but i will go on record and say that Dallas is no better then 10-6 and no worse then 7-9

Washington 10-6 to 7-9
Philly 9-7 5-11
Giants 11-5 8-8

[skinfan2k]

I am not that bored, but i will go on record and say that Dallas is no better then 10-6 and no worse then 7-9



alright why do u say that the boys wont be better than 10-6? Care to explain.. From this thread, I am hoping why people make cases like you did and what you believe is the short coming of your team or what will be the boost of the team this upcomign season

[AKM311]

I am not that bored, but i will go on record and say that Dallas is no better then 10-6 and no worse then 7-9

Washington 10-6 to 7-9
Philly 9-7 5-11
Giants 11-5 8-8

I think the Skins and Boys are in the same boat, except the Skins have more questions on defense than the Boys. However we have less on offense than you guys.

However, I think both teams could really have outstanding years if both QBs play up to there potential consistently this year.

Personally, I think the Giants have the worst team in the division this year.

[skinfan2k]

All im asking is we be fair in our assessments and ask people others feel in such a manner

[jrockster21]

Skins best case: 19-0
Skins worst case: 0-16

:paranoid:

[TonyRomoProBowl]

alright why do u say that the boys wont be better than 10-6? Care to explain.. From this thread, I am hoping why people make cases like you did and what you believe is the short coming of your team or what will be the boost of the team this upcomign season

pleanty to worry about righht now. As well as i think they have improved the line, only time will tell. IF Davis is as bad as predicted, then we can count on another year of average at best running game.

year 2 of T.O- I dont like TO and i am not a fan of his. If he just plays, then fine, but if its a circus...then this team could tank!

Romo- As much as I love Romo and think he can absolutly play in this league....he did have a lot of Fumbles...so thats one to watch

On Def. I think they will be better, but who know what we will get out of Henry. I know KC's book coming out will have Henry ranked pretty good on his metrics until his injury....but all in all, i have not been satisfied.

Those are my reasons to doubt my team.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

I think the Skins and Boys are in the same boat, except the Skins have more questions on defense than the Boys. However we have less on offense than you guys.

However, I think both teams could really have outstanding years if both QBs play up to there potential consistently this year.

Personally, I think the Giants have the worst team in the division this year.

Going by Bubba's rule of "predicting by performances"..Dallas has less questions then Washington on Off. BUT...since i am smart enough to know that Washington played down to their playbook with Campbell, i am looking for them to open it up next season....If he is as good as he is supposed to be, then hey....you guys will have a top 5 off. for sure!

[skinfan2k]

If he is as good as he is supposed to be, then hey....you guys will have a top 5 off. for sure!

sorry top 5 offense is defintely out of the question.. top 5 rushing attack yes!! overall offense i just dont see it with a young qb

[TonyRomoProBowl]

sorry top 5 offense is defintely out of the question.. top 5 rushing attack yes!! overall offense i just dont see it with a young qb


I disagree.....and believe you me, i hope your righjt and not me....but if Campbell is really good and has a good line with CP and LB running they will have a top 5 overall Off.

Cooley is a stud and he was Campbells number one target. look for Cooley and Moss to be in the elite group at their position (if Campbell is all that).

Saunders has a great system and if the players in it are good, then the sky is the limit. and we already know that CP is a top 5 RB in the NFL.......
so :cheers: to Cambell playing hoooorible for 2007. :D

[AKM311]

sorry top 5 offense is defintely out of the question.. top 5 rushing attack yes!! overall offense i just dont see it with a young qb

I think we can have a top 5 offense. But like TonyRomo said, it depends if Campbell plays consistent enough at the level we expect.

However, the same can be said for Dallas.

That is the problem with the offseason, we all envision teams being prepared and playing to expectations. The question comes now, who will and who wont.

[bubba9497]

Go Ahead and pronouce it!! Lets start off in the NFC East first and go on.. I will post my results soon but go ahead and do each team and what u think can happen


Redskins:
Best 11-5
Worst 5-11

Giants:
Best 10-6
Worst 4-12

Eagles:
Best 12-4
Worst 6-10

Cowboys:
Best 12-4
Worst 7-9


wouldn't the best be 19-0

and worse 0-16 for all 4 teasm? :)

[skinfan2k]

u know that wont happen bubba.. i doubt few people ever who wish to be realistic ever go past 13-3 when making predictions for thier teams

[Westbrook36]

Eagles:

Best 15-1
Worst 8-8

Skins:

Best 9-7
Worst 3-13

Giants

Best 10-6
Worst 4-12

Cowboys

Best 10-6
Worst 5-11

[bubba9497]

u know that wont happen bubba.. i doubt few people ever who wish to be realistic ever go past 13-3 when making predictions for thier teams


I was just teasing you :)

too answer in a different way

team most likely to fall short of expecations

1. Pokes
2. Eagles

team most likely to exceed expecations

1. Redskins
2. Giants

Best scenaro

Washington stays healthy and Campbell takes the next step 12+ win season and an NFC East title

Worse scenaro

The Skins defense doesn't rebound and finish below .500 again

I won't comment on the other 3 teams... don't feel like putting up with all the "your just a homer" type responses from fans who can't deal with anything not 100% positive about their team

[AKM311]

Eagles:

Best 15-1
Worst 8-8

Skins:

Best 9-7
Worst 3-13

Giants

Best 10-6
Worst 4-12

Cowboys

Best 10-6
Worst 5-11

Could you explain your reasons for the Eagles and Skins? Personally, I think both teams are a lot closer than you may think.

[Westbrook36]

Skins have a QB who completed 50 percent of his passes behind one of the best OLs and running games in the NFL down the stretch. They had the 31st ranked defense who forced less turnover and produced less sacks total than any team in the NFL. They did absolutely nothing to address the defensive line except for their broke down starters over 30 getting one year older.

I know this is ES but I honestly think the Skins have the potential to be putrid.

[AKM311]

Skins have a QB who completed 50 percent of his passes behind one of the best OLs and running games in the NFL down the stretch. They had the 31st ranked defense who forced less turnover and produced less sacks total than any team in the NFL. They did absolutely nothing to address the defensive line except for their broke down starters over 30 getting one year older.

I know this is ES but I honestly think the Skins have the potential to be putrid.

I am not attacking you regarding your opinion, but I think your judging them too much on the past. If you want to do that, then we will have to assume that McNabb won't play 6 games and you will lose because of that.

Hence you will be starting a rookie qb who will be flustered making you a sub 500 team.

Rookie grow each year and should get better each year, which should be expected from Campbell this year.

We addressed the problems on our defense, which was stated by GW many times. LB and our Secondary was our issues, not so much the line. Was the line an issue, sure, but with everyone healthy, I expect them to be back to there 2005 season.

Also, you state that Campbell only completed 50% (53.1% to be accurate), but McNabb has only completed over 60% in 2004. You take that year away and his career average is around 56-57%. Not much better.

So if you compare, our QB had a better rookie season than McNabb. We have a better o-line than you. We have better RBs than you. We have better WRs than you.

Also, our defense should get back to atleast average, meaning we should be a much more competitive team.

So again, what makes the Eagles so great and the Skins so bad? I think you hopes are a little to high for the Eagles and your blind analysis of the Skins is a little to low.

[Bliz]

Eagles:

Best 15-1
Worst 8-8



Bold.

Personally, the only teams I would give those numbers to are the Colts, Patriots and Chargers.

8-8 worst case scenario, to me, means you should be a dominant team. The Eagles are good, but they're not that good. Too many question marks to justify this.

[bubba9497]

So again, what makes the Eagles so great and the Skins so bad? I think you hopes are a little to high for the Eagles and your blind analysis of the Skins is a little to low.

you have to consider the source

seriously, this is the same person last season that proclaimed the eagles DL was going to be the best in football after drafting Bunkly (the guys he called the beast) it is also the guy who kept saying Reggie Brown was going to get over a thousand yards receiving last season, despite the fact no WR other than TO has ever broke 1000 yards under Reid's time in Philly... who predicts the eagles to be 15-1 every season

:laugh:

not to mention how in the quote above he totally glosses over reality

Campbell threw 53%... wow a QB in his first 7 starts in the NFL... his Comp. % and QB rating was better than several great QB's even some HOF QB's first season.. like Elway, Bradsahaw, even McNabb, among others and ignore the fact Campbell progressed each game finishing with a very good game against the NY Giants... or that he has been practicing as the #1 QB all off season, and will in training camp, working with the starting WR's and offense

or realize the Skins defense failed last season based mainly on the fact of many injuries (you know the same reason the eagles finished 6-10 in 05) The fact that GW defenses almost always finish in the top 10, and the additions of Smoot & Fletcher both familiar with GW system, will also be a boost

or the fact before the injuries the Skins finished 10-6 and won in the playoffs in 2005

:laugh:

[Westbrook36]

So if you compare, our QB had a better rookie season than McNabb. We have a better o-line than you.

Are you talking about the year that McNabb was 2nd in MVP voting. That is the year that you think Campbell was better? :laugh:

[Westbrook36]

or the fact before the injuries the Skins finished 10-6 and won in the playoffs in 2005

:laugh:

I'm glad that 2005 happened or Bubba wouldn't have ANYTHING to talk about around here. :laugh:

2005, 2005, 2005, 2005....it's all the guy can cite.

[Westbrook36]

We have a better o-line than you. We have better RBs than you. We have better WRs than you.


I love comments like this that are totally devoid of reality. You have better RBs, WRs, and O-Line yet the Eagles had the NUMBER TWO OFFENSE in the NFL with the backup QB leading the team compared to the Skins....hahha, the Skins.

You guys Maddenize your roster every year, rationalizing how you are going to be dominant; it is hilarious to watch. You ignore ARE and Lloyd having less yards and TDs combined than Reggie Brown.

The Eagles are better at WR and O-line and get the same production from the RB position than the Skins. Fixed.

[HapHaszard]

For the Redskins I'm hoping for 11-5 this season, but being a realist I guess I will have to settle for 12-4 or even 13-3. :silly: Worse case is 8-8.

For the Cowboys, I'm totally at a loss, if they continue to lose games to really weird things happening to them in the last minutes of games I see 9-7. Worse case is 7-9. I think Wade will be too easy a coach and a lot of things will happen to the team from lack of discipline.

Eagles, l even after reading Westbrooks insightful analysis I think their best is 1o-6. Worse case is 6-10.

Giants, look for them to do better than anyone expects, possibly 9-7, and even possibly 10-6. Worse case is 8-8.

[sableholic]

The Eagles are better at WR and O-line and get the same production from the RB position than the Skins. Fixed.

WR fine, RB i'll even give you a draw , but how can you say the line is better?

Sacks given up by your line: 40
Sacks given up by the skins: 19

That and the skins had more rushing yards.

[Westbrook36]

Sacks aren't the OL responsibility when your QB holds on to the ball long trying to make something happen and you pass more than anyone in the league. Plus, I'm looking at 2007 where the Skins lost their best or second best player on the line.

[skinfan2k]

Sacks aren't the OL responsibility when your QB holds on to the ball long trying to make something happen and you pass more than anyone in the league. Plus, I'm looking at 2007 where the Skins lost their best or second best player on the line.


dockery was the worst lineman on the team

[bubba9497]

WR fine, RB i'll even give you a draw , but how can you say the line is better?

Sacks given up by your line: 40
Sacks given up by the skins: 19

That and the skins had more rushing yards.

WR? No bird WR has ever topped 1000 yards, Moss has done it twice (including a Redskin record 1400 plus yards in 05)

While Lloyd didn't have mich production last season, both he and Randle El have had better seasons in the past than any of the Eagles WR after Brown

RB isn't even close, CP is a 1500 yard back and was injured last year, so step in Ladell Betts who had over 1100 in only 8 starts.. almost as many yards as Westbrook had last year in an entire season WB 1217 yards to LB's 1154 yards (and WB's first 1000+ season ever)... and Buckhalter??? Heck even Blaylock has had better numbers and he is currently #4

Wash had 2216 yards last season with CP missing almost half the season

Philly had 1984 yards, and many of the yards came from the QB position ( heck McNabb had 212 yards before getting hurt, and Garcia had almost 90, so that is over 300 yards compared to washingtons QB MB had 34 yds, JC had 107 yds for 141 yds or less than half as many.

Right now the only position the eagles are clearly better is QB, but at the end of the season... that might not be as big a difference as right now.

[Birdlives]

Plus, I'm looking at 2007 where the Skins lost their best or second best player on the line.


Wow. so to you Dockery was the best o-lineman we had. Better than Jansen, Samuels, and Randy Thomas.

I was almost ready to believe you had an ounce of credbility until I saw this.

:doh:

[Birdlives]

They had the 31st ranked defense who forced less turnover and produced less sacks total than any team in the NFL. They did absolutely nothing to address the defensive line except for their broke down starters over 30 getting one year older.



Sacks aren't the OL responsibility when your QB holds on to the ball long trying to make something happen and you pass more than anyone in the league. Plus, I'm looking at 2007 where the Skins lost their best or second best player on the line.

Sacks aren't the responsibility of the D-line when the type of defense you play does not allow them to outright attack the QB but rather hold the line and allow LB's and Safeties to get sacks and pressures on the QB. With injuries to both the LB's and DB's on the Skins, they were unable to put pressure where needed while still being an effective coverage unit. Rest assured, the problem, where it was, has been addressed.

Looks like I'm rationalizing like you now. :D

[tr1]

The Eagles are better at WR and O-line and get the same production from the RB position than the Skins. Fixed.

God, Westy, come on... :doh:

[skinfan2k]

i actually thikn the eagles Wr are better at this moment but it is also due to the experience of the quarterback they have had in the past..

I think the redskins will need to see what campebll does this season to help out both Lloyd and ARE

[Westbrook36]

Wow. so to you Dockery was the best o-lineman we had. Better than Jansen, Samuels, and Randy Thomas.

I was almost ready to believe you had an ounce of credbility until I saw this.

:doh:

I said second best. Samuels is your best.

Jansen is a joke. Come on. He is a shell of his former self. Ask Bubba how good Dockery was; he'll tell you.

BTW, Bubba, why are you comparing the RB position and only accounting for rushing yards and not total yards? Thought so.

I love arguments like this. This will go on for 6 pages where all of you will have felt you have owned me and then this season will come around and the Eagles will be 10-6 or better and the Skins will be under .500......the Eagles will have a top 5 offense and the Skins will struggle.

This will all be explained away, however. You must find one convenient scapegoat. This is how it always goes around here. Be it Brunnell, AA, or whoever the flavor of the month is.

You find scapegoats, the Eagles continually find ways to win the NFC East. Hilarious.

[eagles78]

Skins best case: 19-0
Skins worst case: 0-16

:paranoid:That about sums it up for any team in the NFL.:D

[tr1]

I said second best. Samuels is your best.

Jansen is a joke. Come on. He is a shell of his former self. Ask Bubba how good Dockery was; he'll tell you.

BTW, Bubba, why are you comparing the RB position and only accounting for rushing yards and not total yards? Thought so.

I love arguments like this. This will go on for 6 pages where all of you will have felt you have owned me and then this season will come around and the Eagles will be 10-6 or better and the Skins will be under .500......the Eagles will have a top 5 offense and the Skins will struggle.

This will all be explained away, however. You must find one convenient scapegoat. This is how it always goes around here. Be it Brunnell, AA, or whoever the flavor of the month is.

You find scapegoats, the Eagles continually find ways to win the NFC East. Hilarious.

And yet, the Eagles can never win a SB.

I thought the Eagles would bounce back last year, but this year, I don't think so. McNabb was having a good year when he went down...but I think his surrounding cast is weaker this year. Of course, Westbrook is back, but I doubt he matches his performance and durability of last year.

Keep hoping WB.

[eagles78]

you have to consider the source

seriously, this is the same person last season that proclaimed the eagles DL was going to be the best in football after drafting Bunkly (the guys he called the beast)

:laugh:Um, to be fair to Westbrook the Eagles defensive line was absolutely ferocious through the first two games. Then, Kerase got injured and while the Eagles continued to produce an abundance of sacks over the next 3 or 4 weeks things slowly started cooling down.

[dockeryfan]

the Eagles continually find ways to win against inferior opponents in the regular season, but fall short against quality ones in the post season. Hilarious.Fixed

[Westbrook36]

And yet, the Eagles can never win a SB.

I thought the Eagles would bounce back last year, but this year, I don't think so. McNabb was having a good year when he went down...but I think his surrounding cast is weaker this year. Of course, Westbrook is back, but I doubt he matches his performance and durability of last year.

Keep hoping WB.

I don't think the current discussion was about winning a Superbowl....we were comparing two teams. When it is obvious that one team cannot reasonably be compared to the other, the ol Superbowl argument is brought out.

Sort of like "Final protective fire" while you are in a firefight and your position is being overran by the enemy. :laugh:

[skinfan2k]

i thought we were dicussiing the best case scenario situations? Sorry Westbrook, the eagles at a best case will be near 12-4.. It just too hard to go 15-1 these days

[skinfan2k]

Honestly the redskins will need alot of breaks just to get to 10-6

[dockeryfan]

I don't think the current discussion was about winning a Superbowl....we were comparing two teams. When it is obvious that one team cannot reasonably be compared to the other, the ol Superbowl argument is brought out.

Sort of like "Final protective fire" while you are in a firefight and your position is being overran by the enemy. :laugh:
It's a problem of coaching. Just only a few Eagles fans can admit it.

[Westbrook36]

It's a problem of coaching. Just only a few Eagles fans can admit it.

I agree your coaching is bad but your player acquisition model is a joke; an absolute joke. It is proven time and again.

[eagles78]

I read through this thread and I still people bringing up the Eagles WRs. When are some of you going to learn that we don't need an elite type WR for this offense to be dangerous. It's the same garbage every off-season yet we just keep plugging them in and going. The Eagles were 2nd in total yards last year. We easily have an elite offense and I'm gonna go ahead and say that the Eagles will be in the top 5 in the NFL in yards and points yet again next year.

[eagles78]

I don't think the current discussion was about winning a Superbowl....we were comparing two teams. When it is obvious that one team cannot reasonably be compared to the other, the ol Superbowl argument is brought out.

Sort of like "Final protective fire" while you are in a firefight and your position is being overran by the enemy. :laugh:Just do what tr1 does. When someone makes a comment about the Redskins in one of his threads, he always types something like, "This thread isn't about the Skins". Just replace 'Skins' with Super Bowl and you're good to go.

[Westbrook36]

This thread isn't about the Super Bowl.

[tr1]

I don't think the current discussion was about winning a Superbowl....we were comparing two teams. When it is obvious that one team cannot reasonably be compared to the other, the ol Superbowl argument is brought out.

Sort of like "Final protective fire" while you are in a firefight and your position is being overran by the enemy. :laugh:

The Eagles have been better than the Skins in 2006. They weren't in 2005. It's a fact you struggle with.

If the Eagles were so good last year, why didn't they beat a playoff team outside the division.

Face it, the Eagles have been better than their division, but hardly an elite team.

And, after this draft, the end of the McNabb era is about over.

[Westbrook36]

We weren't argueing if they were an elite team. We were arguing about who is better between them and the Skins. I like the small sample size (2005-2006). That was cute. It probably would have been more accurate if you said the Eagles have been better than the Skins 6 out of the last 7 years.

BTW, did you know the Broncos won 2 superbowls with Elway after they drafted his "replacement" in the first round one year?

[elkabong82]

Redskins: Best 13-3 Worst 6-10

Cowgirls: Best 11-5 Worst 5-11

Sheagles: Best 12-4 Worst 5-11

Vagiants: Best 9-7 Worst 3-13

[tr1]

Just do what tr1 does. When someone makes a comment about the Redskins in one of his threads, he always types something like, "This thread isn't about the Skins". Just replace 'Skins' with Super Bowl and you're good to go.

Unfortunately, you fail understand that discussion of the Skins in a thread completely unrelated to the Skins is OFF TOPIC.

Say a thread about McNabb. It has nothing to do with the Skins, but a common rebuttal these days is for opposing fans to play the 'Redskins sucked in 2006 card'. Though that fact may be true, it is off topic.

My comment about the Eagles was hardly off topic.

[tr1]

I like the small sample size (2005-2006). That was cute.

Cute? It's the most recent years...the most relevant. And it just pricks your ass that you have to admit that the Skins were superior in 2005.

But neither team is an 'elite' team.

[Westbrook36]

The Skins were better in 2005. See, I said it.

The discussion was about RIGHT NOW between the Eagles and the Skins yet all of you seem to have to make it into the Superbowl, if the Eagles are elite, etc.

The Eagles will be better than the Skins in 2007; no doubt about it. Want to bet on it, tr1? That's what I thought.

[skinfan2k]

not sure how they got in a pissing match about 2005-2006.. and how it really has relevalce to this year.

[Who Del]

Jesus christ I love this forum.

:rotflmao:

[Birdlives]

Plus, I'm looking at 2007 where the Skins lost their best or second best player on the line.

I said second best. Samuels is your best.

Jansen is a joke. Come on. He is a shell of his former self. Ask Bubba how good Dockery was; he'll tell you.



What a cop out! :laugh: You said, and I quote, "best or second best."

Dockery at best was the third best player on the line behind Samuels, Thomas and Jansen. And actually Rabach was better as well. Dockery was our WORST O-lineman.

As for the rest of it, keep preaching from the hilltops because we all know the eagles will be good forever. They're the only team that doesn't go through cycles of good and bad.

I wonder how much time you'll spend on this site after the McNabb era ends. They've already started slipping, showing cracks in 2005. They got back in 2006 by virture of a depleted team in their own division. Face it, you guys had a window and it's beginning to close. The corners are starting to fray on the eagles. Gone are the days of 12-4, 13-3. They went 10-6 last year.

10-6!

[tr1]

The Eagles will be better than the Skins in 2007; no doubt about it. Want to bet on it, tr1? That's what I thought.

WB, I don't think McNabb will be ready for the season opener, and Westbrook cannot continue at the pace he was on last year. You haven't upgraded at WR, and your run defense is plain suspect.

How can you say the Eagles will be better than the Skins in 2007? If McNabb goes down, or Westbrook goes down or Dawkins goes down, you Eagles will definitely suck.

And you have Andy Reid.

I don't take money from fools.

[skinfan2k]

Face it, you guys had a window and it's beginning to close. The corners are starting to fray on the eagles. Gone are the days of 12-4, 13-3. They went 10-6 last year.

10-6!


their window with mcnabb maybe closing but the eagles defintely have the talent and have shown they have the best team that works together in the division.. Maybe our 2005 was a fluke, and their 05 was due to injuires and the TO saga

[Who Del]

Oh wow, tr1. Grow some balls. That's really lame.

[Westbrook36]

WB, I don't think McNabb will be ready for the season opener, and Westbrook cannot continue at the pace he was on last year. You haven't upgraded at WR, and your run defense is plain suspect.

How can you say the Eagles will be better than the Skins in 2007? If McNabb goes down, or Westbrook goes down or Dawkins goes down, you Eagles will definitely suck.

And you have Andy Reid.

I don't take money from fools.

Ok, whatever, tr1. :laugh:

How can I say the Eagles will be better than the Skins in 2007??? I actually have a set of eyes. It is so obvious.

Halfway through next season, I'll make a thread laughing about how you guys actually thought the Skins would be as good as the Eagles and all you will be able to counter with is "Yeah, whatever, they still won't beat ______ in the playoffs".

I can't wait. :laugh:

[tr1]

Ok, whatever, tr1. :laugh:

How can I say the Eagles will be better than the Skins in 2007??? I actually have a set of eyes. It is so obvious.

Halfway through next season, I'll make a thread laughing about how you guys actually thought the Skins would be as good as the Eagles and all you will be able to counter with is "Yeah, whatever, they still won't beat ______ in the playoffs".

I can't wait. :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

WB, you are too funny...not very bright, but pretty funny.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[sableholic]

Ok, whatever, tr1. :laugh:

How can I say the Eagles will be better than the Skins in 2007??? I actually have a set of eyes. It is so obvious.

Halfway through next season, I'll make a thread laughing about how you guys actually thought the Skins would be as good as the Eagles and all you will be able to counter with is "Yeah, whatever, they still won't beat ______ in the playoffs".

I can't wait. :laugh:

What would you like to bet?

[tr1]

Oh wow, tr1. Grow some balls. That's really lame.

Can you be a bit more specific?

Why should I listen to any drivel from Eagle fans when it's 'Oh, our team is just better,' or ' we're gonna dominate.'

It's just crap...

Every NFL team is one or two serious injuries away from a bad season.

[elkabong82]

'05 was not a fluke for the Skins. There were close games the Skins could have won and done even better than. Portis and Moss set team records at their positions. Plus we beat Tampa in the playoffs, on the road, with Farris playing at receiver, and a 40 something year old lineman starting in place of Thomas.

I don't blame Reid for drafting a QB in the first round given McNabb's recent injuries. Odds are McNabb and/or Westbrook will go down at some point in the season, and so will the Eagles season. I'm not saying the Eagles don't have a shot at the playoffs, anyone in our division does (except the Giants). But I can see the Eagles slipping just as easily as I can see them doing well.

[Westbrook36]

Can you be a bit more specific?

Why should I listen to any drivel from Eagle fans when it's 'Oh, our team is just better,' or ' we're gonna dominate.'

It's just crap...

Every NFL team is one or two serious injuries away from a bad season.

All things being equal, the Eagles are infinitely better than the Skins. If they are decimated by injuries, the Skins have the potential to maybe be better.

[Westbrook36]

What would you like to bet?

Hundred sound good? We have to hammer out the terms so we are on the same page.

tr1 is my first choice though....if he has the guts.

[tr1]

All things being equal, the Eagles are infinitely better than the Skins. If they are decimated by injuries, the Skins have the potential to maybe be better.

More crap.

You have no idea how this season will play out.

Considering McNabb's injury and attitude, you could be in for a disaster.

[Westbrook36]

More crap.

You have no idea how this season will play out.

Considering McNabb's injury and attitude, you could be in for a disaster.

If by crap, you mean a reasonable opinion held by the majority of impartial NFL fans, then I agree with you.

[sableholic]

Hundred sound good? We have to hammer out the terms so we are on the same page.

tr1 is my first choice though....if he has the guts.

Ok, well just let me know. I'm up for a 100. But as you said tr1 is your first choice and we would also need to hammer out details of the bet.

[tr1]

Hundred sound good? We have to hammer out the terms so we are on the same page.

tr1 is my first choice though....if he has the guts.

After the last sig bet, I said I wouldn't bet anymore...but you know that.

[tr1]

If by crap, you mean a reasonable opinion held by the majority of impartial NFL fans, then I agree with you.

More made-up crap.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Who Del]

Take up sableholic, WB.

tr1 won't accept it. I don't know why. He's usually confident in his team. So confident he spends less time talking about them and more time talking about everyone else. What happened?

[Westbrook36]

After the last sig bet, I said I wouldn't bet anymore...but you know that.

You are full of ready made excuses today. :laugh: :laugh:

[tr1]

Take up sableholic, WB.

tr1 won't accept it. I don't know why. He's usually confident in his team. So confident he spends less time talking about them and more time talking about everyone else. What happened?

I love you, Who Del.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Westbrook36]

Ok sable, I'll bet with you because you are a reasonable man who loves his team and won't stiff me when the Eagles win.

Simple bet: Who will have a better overall record in 2007? Tiebreaker will follow normal NFL playoff tiebreaker rules.

WB36 takes the Eagles to have a better overall record in 2007. sable takes the Skins to have a better overall record in 2007.

If the Eagles are 14-2 and the Skins 2-14, yet the Skins beat the Eagles 2 times, WB36 would win the bet. Head to head will only come into play as a tiebreaker, if necessary.

Deal?

[Westbrook36]

Oh, btw, overall record is for regular season only!

If the Skins go 10-6 and win the division and the Eagles go 10-6 but have to settle for the wildcard, nothing after the regular season ends will be taken into consideration in regard to this bet.

[bubba9497]

After the last sig bet, I said I wouldn't bet anymore...but you know that.


some friendly advice

be VERY specific in the details, from parameters of the bet, to the exact details of the payoff

and I would get a thrid party medator who is impartial, to rule over any disputes

[skinfan2k]

Oh, btw, overall record is for regular season only!

If the Skins go 10-6 and win the division and the Eagles go 10-6 but have to settle for the wildcard, nothing after the regular season ends will be taken into consideration in regard to this bet.


you not confident in the eagles chances in the postseason.. I understand ;)

[elkabong82]

How are the Eagles far superior to the Skins right now? Neither team with its current roster has played an actual game yet. It's all specualtion at this point.

If you look at the players at each spot, it's actually pretty even. McNabb is a better QB, but Portis is a better RB than Westbrook. Our O-line is better, our TE is better, and I give our receiving corp the edge. The linebacker corp is about even. so is the secondary. You guys have us on d-line.

Funny how Eagles fans dismiss '05 as an injury plagued season, but aren't willing to give the Skins the same consideration on the '06 season.

[Westbrook36]

you not confident in the eagles chances in the postseason.. I understand ;)

It just brings another variable into the discussion that isn't needed. If sable wants, we can go with playoffs too. It doesn't matter to me. The only thing is what if one team gets the bye with a much better record but loses their first game while the other team wins their playoff game but loses in the divisional round....all with a worse record during the regular season. At that point, it's not black and white and armchair ES QBs start weighing in for something that should be simple, black and white.

[sableholic]

Ok sable, I'll bet with you because you are a reasonable man who loves his team and won't stiff me when the Eagles win.

Simple bet: Who will have a better overall record in 2007? Tiebreaker will follow normal NFL playoff tiebreaker rules.

WB36 takes the Eagles to have a better overall record in 2007. sable takes the Skins to have a better overall record in 2007.

If the Eagles are 14-2 and the Skins 2-14, yet the Skins beat the Eagles 2 times, WB36 would win the bet. Head to head will only come into play as a tiebreaker, if necessary.

Deal?

Deal, although I would like to see some added rules for say if both teams make it to the playoffs whoever makes it deeper wins irregardless of record. I'm just curious what would happen if say the skins are 8-8 and the eagles are 10-6 and the play each other first round and the skins win, but lose the next round I would say that the skins would be the better team although they have one less win.

Edit: Just saw your previous messages, lemme read them really quickly.

Edit2: Ok well the playoffs does make it a little more complex. I do want to count those in some way or another, but don't know what the best way to do it would be. I was thinking whoever makes it deepest, but could be persuaded out of that mindset.

[skinfan2k]

How are the Eagles far superior to the Skins right now? Neither team with its current roster has played an actual game yet. It's all specualtion at this point.

If you look at the players at each spot, it's actually pretty even. McNabb is a better QB, but Portis is a better RB than Westbrook. Our O-line is better, our TE is better, and I give our receiving corp the edge. The linebacker corp is about even. so is the secondary. You guys have us on d-line.

Funny how Eagles fans dismiss '05 as an injury plagued season, but aren't willing to give the Skins the same consideration on the '06 season.


Eagles are very superior because of team chemistry that has allowed them to dominate the nfc east for the past few years unlike our skins who go thru extreme home makeovers each offseason..

Established offense system and guys step up when needed. We can be considered a 1 yr wonder.. We were 5-6 and beat up on 5 bad teams

[Who Del]

How are the Eagles far superior to the Skins right now? Neither team with its current roster has played an actual game yet. It's all specualtion at this point.

If you look at the players at each spot, it's actually pretty even. McNabb is a better QB, but Portis is a better RB than Westbrook. Our O-line is better, our TE is better, and I give our receiving corp the edge. The linebacker corp is about even. so is the secondary. You guys have us on d-line.

Funny how Eagles fans dismiss '05 as an injury plagued season, but aren't willing to give the Skins the same consideration on the '06 season.

Hard to consider a season when you lose a fluke when you're always losing prior to that one winning season.

One winning season out of 10 or 15 (whatever it is) does not mean you're good. It's a fluke until proven otherwise.

[tr1]

Hard to consider a season when you lose a fluke when you're always losing prior to that one winning season.

One winning season out of 10 or 15 (whatever it is) does not mean you're good. It's a fluke until proven otherwise.

Like not winning the SB?

Just a fluke?

[Who Del]

Deal, although I would like to see some added rules for say if both teams make it to the playoffs whoever makes it deeper wins irregardless of record. I'm just curious what would happen if say the skins are 8-8 and the eagles are 10-6 and the play each other first round and the skins win, but lose the next round I would say that the skins would be the better team although they have one less win.

Edit: Just saw your previous messages, lemme read them really quickly.

I agree with this. If both teams make the playoffs then records go out the window. Whoever advances furthest is the winner.

[bubba9497]

More made-up crap.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


what else does he have :whoknows:

facts? hardly

Stats? nope

Reality? strike three

How many times have we heard Westy spouting off talking big in the offseason, to eating crow by the seasons end (well skirming and changing what he actually said... same thing :laugh: )

How many times has he posted some obsucure stat only to be caught red handed skewing the truth?

we all know when you you don't have anything tangible to backup your point, you start the homeristic obscure chest thumping BS :laugh:

[sableholic]

I agree with this. If both teams make the playoffs then records go out the window. Whoever advances furthest is the winner.

Yep the more I think about it the more I think this would be fair. Let me know westy. If they both make it to the same round I guess we can default to overall record including playoffs, unless you would rather go to playoff record.

[elkabong82]

Eagles are very superior because of team chemistry that has allowed them to dominate the nfc east for the past few years unlike our skins who go thru extreme home makeovers each offseason..

Established offense system and guys step up when needed. We can be considered a 1 yr wonder.. We were 5-6 and beat up on 5 bad teams

I don't consider us a one year wonder. '04 we went 6-10, but almost every game lost was by 7 points or less. In '05 we kept most of the team together, with the additions of Moss and Rabach. Our D stayed a top 10 unit, and Portis simply did what he does best. Sure we beat up on a couple teams, but there were other games we lost that we could/should have won as well, the Tampa game immediately comes to mind.

2006 we added a new offensive scheme, and several new free agents. Injuries plagued that season a lot more than most are willing to admit. We lost the key to our offense when portis went down. We had a QB change halfway through the season. We lose our starting strong safety in the first play of the first game, forcing his replacement (AA) to come in and be forced into a lot of coverage. Springs goes down before the season starts, and a career nickle back is starting in his place. Griffin and Joe were banged up all year, we had Golston AND Montgomery, both rookies, starting at one point. Rogers was briefly injured, and we had Wright and Rumph starting. We had guys come of the street and replace AA.

So, while Carter is trying to gel into this system (which he did near the end), he is playing alongside two rookies at points, with a giant hole in the left side created by Holdman's pressence, a nickle corner starting, and a safety who can't cover. On offense, Lloyd didn't pan out well the first season, but Moss was out for several games, ones that Campbell was starting. There were bright spots though. The rushing attack was 4th overall, the o-line was great, and Campbell showed a lot of promise. We have made smart moves on defense, and it is not crazy at all to believe the defense can at least return to 15th overall, if not the top 10. There is no reason to believe the offense can't keep improving, maybe even be lights out. That, and we have kept most of the team together, thus developing more chemistry. yes the eagles have us on chemistry, but last I checked, one WR was able to contribute pretty heavily to the Eagles downfall. McNabb becoming disgruntled (which is already being rumored/talked about/discussed) is a possibility. One that would have a far bigger impact than TO.

[Westbrook36]

sable, I agree with your thoughts. Furthest in the playoffs is fine. However, if one gets the bye and the other teams wins a wildcard game, then they both lose in the divisional round, the best record would win the bet. All else is equal.

Deal?

[Califan007]

Skins
Best: 12-4
Worst 7-9

Eagles
Best: 11-5
Worst 7-9

Cowboys
Best: 11-5
Worst: 6-10

Giants
Best: 10-6
Worst: 5-11


Redskins had a top 10 defense two of the last three seasons. BCS ("best case scenario") would be the defense returns to form and dominates back into the top 10. Saunders has fielded top 10 offenses wherever he's gone. Portis returns healthy and motivated. BCS has the O-line playing great again this season, Campbell progressing beautifully, and Lloyd showing he's worth the draft picks.

Don't trust Phillips as a head coach, especially with Jones as his owner (I'd feel the same way if he were the Skins coach working with Snyder lol). BCS has Phillips doing the best coaching of his career, Jerruh letting him (lol), the O-line living up to the hopes Dallas fans have invested in it, Romo showing his first 5 starts were not a fluke, and T.O. being the Mother Theresa of the NFL. I think their defense will be good regardless. I think having Phillips as the coach cost them one win in my BCS, though, or else I'd have said 12-4.

Eagles have nobody worth fearing at wr. BCS has Brown reaching his potential at wr, McNabb staying healthy and having a Pro Bowl season, and the defense becoming scary again. Reid's still a great coach, so no problems there. I do think, though, that without more options at wr the BCS has them topping out at 11 wins.

Giants just have too many issues and a lame duck coach. BCS has Eli stealing his brothers' Magic QB Potion and greatly improving his play, Coughlin somehow getting his entire team to respect and follow him through thick and thin, and getting whatever positive performance they can from their running game.

[Westbrook36]

some friendly advice

be VERY specific in the details, from parameters of the bet, to the exact details of the payoff

and I would get a thrid party medator who is impartial, to rule over any disputes

I agree. You never know when a supposed respected member is going to weasel out, change the terms, and disappear.

[elkabong82]

Hard to consider a season when you lose a fluke when you're always losing prior to that one winning season.

One winning season out of 10 or 15 (whatever it is) does not mean you're good. It's a fluke until proven otherwise.

I thought we were talking about current teams. Seeing as 10-15 seasons is out of the realm of the current coaching staff, your point is moot. Much like if I said never winning a Superbowl means you aren't good. Sure it's true, just like 2 winning seasons in 10 years is true. However, neither is really relevant to the current team.

However, you take a team who in three seasons has made the playoffs once, won in the postseason, and in two losing seasons have been competitive in most every game, then that isn't a bad squad. The Redskins making the playoffs is never a fluke when Joe Gibbs is the head coach.

[Califan007]

Eagles are very superior because of team chemistry that has allowed them to dominate the nfc east for the past few years unlike our skins who go thru extreme home makeovers each offseason..

Established offense system and guys step up when needed. We can be considered a 1 yr wonder.. We were 5-6 and beat up on 5 bad teams
Six bad teams...and in reality half of them weren't anywhere near "bad". We also did it playing 4 of 6 games on the road...with some major injuries to both offensive and defensive lines. That's huge.

I'd question myself if I were so willing to write all that off as nothing but going on a short-lived streak against bad teams.

[Califan007]

I agree. You never know when a supposed respected member is going to weasel out, change the terms, and disappear.
Don't be so hard on yourself...

[bubba9497]

Don't be so hard on yourself...



:notworthy :notworthy :laugh: :laugh:

[sableholic]

sable, I agree with your thoughts. Furthest in the playoffs is fine. However, if one gets the bye and the other teams wins a wildcard game, then they both lose in the divisional round, the best record would win the bet. All else is equal.

Deal?

Deal.

[Califan007]

Deal.
I wouldn't have agreed to that, actually...better to keep it to the regular season records. I think that if the Skins won the NFC East title AND had a first round bye, while the Eagles won the wildcard, then why go further to figure out which team did better...

[Califan007]

:notworthy :notworthy :laugh: :laugh:
:cool: It was too easy lol...

[skinfan2k]

As the creator of this thread, I will like any deals/bet made in this thread, the winnings shall go to me

[sableholic]

I wouldn't have agreed to that, actually...better to keep it to the regular season records. I think that if the Skins won the NFC East title AND had a first round bye, while the Eagles won the wildcard, then why go further to figure out which team did better...

In that case (barring the two having the same regular season record), they would then have the same record at the time that the Eagles lose at best, so it would go back to overall record, in which the skins would win.

[Califan007]

In that case (barring the two having the same regular season record), they would then have the same record at the time that the Eagles lose at best, so it would go back to overall record, in which the skins would win.
Well, I was considering the possibility that they'd have the same record, but only one of them could win the division. Both teams should play an equal amount of games, but the way the bet is set up it's possible that one team might play 18 games while another team might play 17 games.

[sableholic]

Well, I was considering the possibility that they'd have the same record, but only one of them could win the division. Both teams should play an equal amount of games, but the way the bet is set up it's possible that one team might play 18 games while another team might play 17 games.

Yep I see your point, but im fine with that. I consider playoff wins more important than anything else. I guess I do have a question though about the bet. If it comes down to the case where one team has a bye and the other doesn't what is the overall record in this case? Are we saying its just regular season westbrook, or are we counting the playoff games? Just making sure we got all the details ironed out.

The way I have it is

100 dollars - I have skins, Westy has Eagles.
Best regular season record wins, unless both teams make it to the playoffs, in which case it is whichever team makes it the furthest. If there is the case that one team has a bye and loses its first playoff game and the other has a wild card game and wins it and then loses in the next round it will go to overall record to determine the winner (just let me know what overall record is in this case, whether it counts the playoff games or not).

[Jeremiah_Johnson]

Skins
Best 9-7
worst 5-11
I haven't seen anything from Jason Campbell to make be believe he can run an offense. Talk about pocket presence all you want, but I see alot of balls getting thrown over heads, or at toes, and I'm talking about 10 yard passes here. And people can talk all they want about having 2 good safeties (if ST plays), there is NO way thats going to help the pass rushing woes. You weren't just worst in the league last year, it was worst in NFL HISTORY poeple.

Eagles
Best 12-4
Worst 7-9
This is simple, if McNabb is healthy, they win 10-11 games. But if he gets hurt again, Kolb won't be ready like Garcia was

Giants
Best 9-7
Worst 5-11
Jacobs looks like he can play, but losing Tiki is a tremendous blow. He absolutely ran the offense for that team for years. I look for Shockey to lose it this year, and this will be Coughlins last year

Cowboys 13-3
Worst 8-8
Just a feeling I have. Wade and Company are going to do wonders to this defense, and Romo will continue to impress. I even look for Julius to have a big year. TO and Glenn will both get 1000 yards, and with RIvera gone, the line should improve a bit.

[bubba9497]

OMG some of these homer response from eagle and Poke fans are unbelievable

it is going to be fun watching them choke on their own bravado when they will have to eat crow at the end of the season

that is if the have the "onions" to actually show up and face the music

[Westbrook36]

Yep I see your point, but im fine with that. I consider playoff wins more important than anything else. I guess I do have a question though about the bet. If it comes down to the case where one team has a bye and the other doesn't what is the overall record in this case? Are we saying its just regular season westbrook, or are we counting the playoff games? Just making sure we got all the details ironed out.

The way I have it is

100 dollars - I have skins, Westy has Eagles.
Best regular season record wins, unless both teams make it to the playoffs, in which case it is whichever team makes it the furthest. If there is the case that one team has a bye and loses its first playoff game and the other has a wild card game and wins it and then loses in the next round it will go to overall record to determine the winner (just let me know what overall record is in this case, whether it counts the playoff games or not).

Agree. If they get to the same level of playoffs, revert to regular season without playoff win(s) included. Deal?

[Warhead36]

Jesus christ I love this forum.

:rotflmao:

It doesn't get any better(though some of the **** I read on RealGM is getting up there). :cool:

[jrockster21]

Worst case scenario for the Eagles is 8-8, Westy? Jesus...you've reached new levels of homerism. :laugh:

Are you talking about the year that McNabb was 2nd in MVP voting. That is the year that you think Campbell was better? :laugh:

Dude...you need to brush up on your Eagles' history. :doh:

[bubba9497]

Worst case scenario for the Eagles is 8-8, Westy? Jesus...you've reached new levels of homerism. :laugh:


Dude...you need to brush up on your Eagles' history. :doh:


Westy thinks no one will call him on his stupid statements :rolleyes:



McNabbs first year

1999 phi 12 games (6 S) 106 comp. 216 att. 49.1 comp.% 948 yards 4.4 ypa 8 TD 7 Int. 60.1 QB%

Campbells first year

2007 was 7 games (7 S)110 comp. 207 att. 53.1 comp.% 1297 yards 6.27 YPA 10 TD 6 Int. 76.5 QB%


Some HOF QBs First Year

John Elway
1983 den 11 G 123 259 47.5% 1663 yards 6.4 YP 7 TD 14 Int.


Terry Bradshaw
1970 pit 13 G 83 218 38.1% 1410 yards 6.5 YPA 6 TD 24 Int.


Dan Fouts
1973 sdg 10 G 87 194 44.8% 1126 yards 5.8 YPA 6 TD 13 Int.


Sonny Jurgensen
1957 phi 10 G 33 70 47.1% 470 yards 6.7 YPA 5 TD 8 Int.


Troy Aikman
1989 dal 11 G 155 293 52.9% 1749 yards 6.0 YPA 9 TD 18 Int.


Joe Namath
1965 nyj 13 G 164 340 48.2% 2220 yards 6.5 YPA 18 TD 15 Int.


Roger Staubach
1969 dal 6 G 23 47 48.9% 421 yards 9.0 YPA 1 TD 2 Int.
1970 dal 8 G 44 82 53.7% 542 yards 6.6 YPA 2 TD 8 Int.

[MLSKINS]

I am serious:

Redskins
Worst 6-10
Best 12-4

Eagles
Worst 6-10
Best 12-4

Cowboys
Worst 6-10
Best 11-5

Giants
Worst 5-11
Best 10-6

[Califan007]

Westy thinks no one will call him on his stupid statements :rolleyes:



McNabbs first year

1999 phi 12 games (6 S) 106 comp. 216 att. 49.1 comp.% 948 yards 4.4 ypa 8 TD 7 Int. 60.1 QB%

Campbells first year

2007 was 7 games (7 S)110 comp. 207 att. 53.1 comp.% 1297 yards 6.27 YPA 10 TD 6 Int. 76.5 QB%
Quoted for emphasis... :cool:

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Westy thinks no one will call him on his stupid statements :rolleyes:



McNabbs first year

1999 phi 12 games (6 S) 106 comp. 216 att. 49.1 comp.% 948 yards 4.4 ypa 8 TD 7 Int. 60.1 QB%

Campbells first year

2007 was 7 games (7 S)110 comp. 207 att. 53.1 comp.% 1297 yards 6.27 YPA 10 TD 6 Int. 76.5 QB%


Some HOF QBs First Year

John Elway
1983 den 11 G 123 259 47.5% 1663 yards 6.4 YP 7 TD 14 Int.


Terry Bradshaw
1970 pit 13 G 83 218 38.1% 1410 yards 6.5 YPA 6 TD 24 Int.


Dan Fouts
1973 sdg 10 G 87 194 44.8% 1126 yards 5.8 YPA 6 TD 13 Int.


Sonny Jurgensen
1957 phi 10 G 33 70 47.1% 470 yards 6.7 YPA 5 TD 8 Int.


Troy Aikman
1989 dal 11 G 155 293 52.9% 1749 yards 6.0 YPA 9 TD 18 Int.


Joe Namath
1965 nyj 13 G 164 340 48.2% 2220 yards 6.5 YPA 18 TD 15 Int.


Roger Staubach
1969 dal 6 G 23 47 48.9% 421 yards 9.0 YPA 1 TD 2 Int.
1970 dal 8 G 44 82 53.7% 542 yards 6.6 YPA 2 TD 8 Int.

How was Romo's first year? :silly:

but seriously, i do think the Skins had a better team during Campbells first year then the Eagles did for mcnabbs first year.

But your point is well taken, many first year starting QB's struggle....i will never EVER forget the days of early Aikman.

[sableholic]

Agree. If they get to the same level of playoffs, revert to regular season without playoff win(s) included. Deal?

deal.

[HapHaszard]

deal.
I would suggest using Tomthegiantsfan as an impartial mediator for the bet.
He is well respected and has no agenda in this bet.

[bedlamVR]

Westbrook calls Tr1 and Bubba - Redskins homers on a Redskins message board owned by the Redskins organization and then posts something like

"Best case Eagles 15-1 worst case 8-8". WOW just WOW.

Since 2002 only one team has posted a 15-1 record and that was the Steelers in 2003. Why not post Best case Eagles 19-0 it would be more realistic.

Okay your worst case senario 8-8. HA! Please could another Eagles someone other than Westbrook tell me why they believe that if everything goes wrong how the Ealgles will not fall below .500?

Personally

Redskins BCS = 11-5 : Should Cambell improve and the O-line not miss a beat with DD's replacement and Portis returns with Betts to provide a devistating 1-2 punch in the running game and Lloyd or ARE step up and there are no back room squables then the O is set to be lights out - IF the defence comes back to even 2005 standards with added depth and possibly a late DL addition stepping in then things are good.

Skins WCS - 5-11 : I dont think this team is a quitter team. I think the biggest problem will be lack of chemistry rather than a big injury.

Eagles BCS : 11-5 - McNabb comes back and is fine, Brown has a break out year and Westbrook proves he can actually run with the ball . The defensive line stays healthy and shows it can stop someone and the LB corp is improved with the addition of Spikes

Eagles WCS: 6-10 If McNabb comes back and stugles with his cinfidence and the fans start chanting for Kolb and Curtis shows why he was no.3 in St Louis, the run defence stinks again and pass rush regresses with age and injury.

Dallas BCS: 11-5 IF Romo is the real deal and switching from Parcells to club Phillips and the new regime goes off seamlessly and Owens can keep it together for year 2 and Jones or Barber can prove why neither are the busts they appear then the offence will do well . IF the defence can stay healthy and avoid its customary december decline then they may go far .

Dallas WCS : 4-12 : The Owens effect where he may spend most of the season in a battle with either Parcells or Jerry which feeds posion into the locker room . Jones goes back to his interfearing best and Phillips is seen as a puppet and looses the team and Romo show why he was on the bench for the majority of the Tunas reign behind such greats as Vinny Testeverde, Drew Henson, Chad Hutchinson, Clint Stoner and Drew Bledsoe.

Giants BCS 12-4 : So many are predicting the fall of the G-Men but the team rallies round the underfire Manning and big Tom, Jocobs emerges as a real force from Barbers shadow and the team holds everything together for an entire season rather than quiting in the middle of November.

Giants WCS : 4-12 Elis' confidence is blown Jacobs shows himself to be a good change of pace guy with no one to change pace with the defence age and the offensive line becomes porus . Tom looses the confidence of the team and the managment by week 4 and limps through the season.

[pointyfootball]

My take

Giants:

Best: 9-7
Worst: 6-10
BC Losses to: Dallas, Philly, N.E., Jets, Atlanta, Wash, Chicago
WC Losses: Philly, Dallas, Minnesota

Keys to season: Health/ stability of OL, defensive system change, Manning


Cowboys:

Best: 12-4
Worst: 8-8
BC Losses to: Chicago, Philly, New England, Carolina
WC Losses: Miami, Wash, NYG, Philly

Keys to season: Romo's development, Run defense, Coaching change

Eagles:

Best: 12-4
Worst: 7-9
BC Losses to: New England, Dallas, Seattle, New Orleans
WC Losses: Wash., NYG, Dallas, NYJ, Chicago

Keys to Season: McNabb/Kearse's health, DB depth, DT play

Redskins:

Best: 10-6
Worst: 6-10
BC Losses to: Philly, Arizona, Dallas, NYG, NYJ, Chicago
WC Losses: Miami, Dallas, New England, Philly

Keys to Season: Campbell's development, CGriffin's health, RB health


JMO,

PF

[Pocono]

"Westbrook calls Tr1 and Bubba - Redskins homers on a Redskins message board owned by the Redskins organization and then posts something like

"Best case Eagles 15-1 worst case 8-8". WOW just WOW."


The thing is Bedlam you give Westy a WOW just WOW for homerism but his best case calls for the Eagles to win 5 more games and yours calls for the Skins to win 6 more than last year and his worst case calls for the Eagles to lose 2 more than last year and you can't possibly see the Skins losing a single game more than they did in 06. So if he gets 2 WOWs do you deserve 3?

FWIW....I like posters like Westy and Bubba that almost always think their team is right and even a poster like tr who always thinks the other teams are wrong.

[SkinsOrlando]

Skins:
Best Case 11-5
Worst Case 6-10

Dallas
Best Case 11-5
Worst Case 7-9

Giants
Best Case 9-7
Worst Case 4-12

Eagles
Best Case 12-4
Worst Case 7-9

[HapHaszard]

FWIW....I like posters like Westy and Bubba that almost always think their team is right and even a poster like tr who always thinks the other teams are wrong.
Both Westbrook and Bubba are entertaining, one with facts and one with just plain hope. I'll let you decide who is who. But it is fun when they go head to head.

[eagles78]

OMG some of these homer response from eagle and Poke fans are unbelievable

Almost as funny as you predicting that the Skins would be 14-2 last year. Man it's gonna take a lot for somebody to be as off as you were.

[skinfan2k]

if anyone thought we were going 14-2 with brunell was out of their mind. My expectations last year were at best 10-6 and 9-7 or 8-8 as most likely scenarios

[HapHaszard]

Almost as funny as you predicting that the Skins would be 14-2 last year. Man it's gonna take a lot for somebody to be as off as you were.
I must have missed that one, I don't remember Bubba predicting 14-2. If so all us skins fans were totally wrong. I don't think any of us expected the injuries and total collapse of our defense. I really thought we would go 10-6 or even 11-5.

[eagles78]

BTW, my best/worst:

Eagles
Best: 12-4
Worst: 6-10

Cowboys
Best: 12-4
Worst: 6-10

Redskins
Best: 11-5
Worst: 4-12

Giants
Best: 10-6
Worst: 3-13

[eagles78]

I must have missed that one, I don't remember Bubba predicting 14-2. If so all us skins fans were totally wrong. I don't think any of us expected the injuries and total collapse of our defense. I really thought we would go 10-6 or even 11-5.He'll probably ask for a link, but I distinctly remember it from one of the prediction threads last year.

[HapHaszard]

He'll probably ask for a link, but I distinctly remember it from one of the prediction threads last year.
Its possible he did, I just don't remember it. I know I was really up for last season, especially when we picked up the receivers we did and how the defense was playing the year before. Again this year I'm optimistic and can't wait for the season to begin. How we will do, who knows, but I do think we have a good chance to rebound this year. Last year was a bitter disappointment to me. The injuries seemed to happen early and got worse as the year continued. It all started with Proleau and seemed like every week a new one.

[eagles78]

Its possible he did, I just don't remember it. I know I was really up for last season, especially when we picked up the receivers we did and how the defense was playing the year before. Again this year I'm optimistic and can't wait for the season to begin. How we will do, who knows, but I do think we have a good chance to rebound this year. Last year was a bitter disappointment to me. The injuries seemed to happen early and got worse as the year continued. It all started with Proleau and seemed like every week a new one.That's the great thing about this time of year. Mostly everybody on the team is healthy and they're are all talking about how they're working so hard and that it'll be their most productive year ever, yadda yadda yadda. We, as fans really feed off of that. Everybody has a shot right now at Super Bowl glory. But then the season starts and it's usually not so rosey anymore, except for those select few.

[HapHaszard]

That's the great thing about this time of year. Mostly everybody on the team is healthy and they're are all talking about how they're working so hard and that it'll be their most productive year ever, yadda yadda yadda. We, as fans really feed off of that. Everybody has a shot right now at Super Bowl glory. But then the season starts and it's usually not so rosey anymore, except for those select few.
I hate the preseason, too much hope. :laugh: :laugh: I guess I'm an optimist, because every offseason I'm charged and even the camp fodder looks like the next probowl qualifier.. :silly:

[bedlamVR]

The thing is Bedlam you give Westy a WOW just WOW for homerism but his best case calls for the Eagles to win 5 more games and yours calls for the Skins to win 6 more than last year and his worst case calls for the Eagles to lose 2 more than last year and you can't possibly see the Skins losing a single game more than they did in 06. So if he gets 2 WOWs do you deserve 3?


Not really I gave Westbrook two WOWs simply because he is an Eagles Homer on the official Redskins board and the vigor with which he makes his comments astounds at times given where he is .

If you actually read my post I said only one team since 2002 has gone 15-1 in the entire NFL which was the Steelers in 2004, the year before they went to the Superbowl. You have to have a lot of things go your way for a near perfect season and it is not as easy just adding on those 5 games as you sugest. You esentially have to have few injuries, the will of the officials on your side and the bounce of the ball with you as well as having the players make the plays.

However look at the skins in 2006 we lost by a field goal or less in 4 games, we lost in OT to the Rams and to the Giants by less than a TD so in those games one or two plays either way and the Skins would be 11-5 not 5-11 it is that close in the NFL - We still stank but all those games were winnable.

Equally when you get to the other end of the spectrum when you have a team with a loosing record as we did with the Titans when we played them in week 6, an 0-5 team must be terrible but they still beat us and 8 other teams to finish 8-8. A team gets backed up against the wall they play harder come out fighting even the Raiders managed to win 2 games.

So I got my numbers from the fact that in the NFL historically it is easier to fall from 10-6 record to a 6-10 than it is for teams to fall from a 5-11 to a 1-15 record or rise from 6-10 record to a 10-6 record than rising from a 11-5 record to a 15-1 record.

I didn't really look at the schedule and think where these wins are comming from because so much can change between now and september and last year means nothing come kick off day . I also didn't look at the rosters too deaply because I do not think a single NFCE team has addressed all the issues to cover all eventuallities in either free agency or the draft.

Also remeber these preditions are ranges I actually still see all the teams as 0.500 right now . The Eagles are still probably the best team in the leauge but the rest of the NFCE has gotten better since 2004 where as the Eagles have regressed through injury and roster attrition.

Just a thought

[jrockster21]

The thing is Bedlam you give Westy a WOW just WOW for homerism but his best case calls for the Eagles to win 5 more games and yours calls for the Skins to win 6 more than last year and his worst case calls for the Eagles to lose 2 more than last year and you can't possibly see the Skins losing a single game more than they did in 06. So if he gets 2 WOWs do you deserve 3?

Come on now, P - even you can't believe that. Best case scenario is 15-1??? Worst case is .500? For the Skins - everything that could go wrong DID go wrong last year. So yeah, worst case scenario would be to show no improvement, because I don't think any more could go wrong. But the Eagles worst case is 8-8? Did you guys just erase 2005 from your memories? To remind you: that was the year McFlabb went down and you DIDN'T have Garcia on the roster, and you went 6-10. Remember that? Guess what - Garcia is NOT on your roster, and McFlabb is recovering from a serious injury and is slightly disgruntled.

[FedExFielder]

Skins best case: 19-0
Skins worst case: 0-16

:paranoid:


Winner

[pointyfootball]

Come on now, P - even you can't believe that. Best case scenario is 15-1??? Worst case is .500? For the Skins - everything that could go wrong DID go wrong last year. So yeah, worst case scenario would be to show no improvement, because I don't think any more could go wrong. But the Eagles worst case is 8-8? Did you guys just erase 2005 from your memories? To remind you: that was the year McFlabb went down and you DIDN'T have Garcia on the roster, and you went 6-10. Remember that? Guess what - Garcia is NOT on your roster, and McFlabb is recovering from a serious injury and is slightly disgruntled.

15-1 is ridiculous, I agree. If for NO other reason than AR would be resting starters the last few weeks. Even then, you can count on the Eagles going 1-3 against the AFC and losing one "easy" game. 2005 for the Eagles was most likely an aberration due to the TO saga, and sheer number of starters put on IR. Not saying they couldn't have major injury problems again, I would tend to think they have better overall depth since then however.

As for the skins - they actually COULD get worse if you really think about it. They had some injury problems last year, but their OL was very healthy and Campbell looked decent at QB. Both Portis and Betts have had injury problems in the past, and the team still has not found a second receiver to take some of the coverage from Moss. Two of their best players on defense, Springs and Taylor, are slightly disgruntled. Sorry just had to put that in there to counter the McNabb line. :) But most importantly, NOTHING was done to upgrade the defensive line, except offer prayers that Griffen, Daniels and Saliva stay healthy and that Carter's 2nd half of the season is the norm and not the first half.

All this being said, if you look at where the two teams were at the end of the season and take into account the additions made through FA and injured players coming back, you do have to admit that Philly looks more talented overall. However, if Campbell looks phenomenally improved and the defense is back to it's old form for the skins, I could see them being significantly better. WE'll have to wait and see.

PF

[tr1]

How was Romo's first year?

You mean on the bench? Or the second year? Or the third year?

Oh, you mean last year!

He was pretty average, and below average once defenses figured him out. No one really knew which Romo was going to show up for the playoff game.

[tr1]

"Westbrook calls Tr1 and Bubba - Redskins homers on a Redskins message board owned by the Redskins organization and then posts something like

"Best case Eagles 15-1 worst case 8-8". WOW just WOW."


The thing is Bedlam you give Westy a WOW just WOW for homerism but his best case calls for the Eagles to win 5 more games and yours calls for the Skins to win 6 more than last year and his worst case calls for the Eagles to lose 2 more than last year and you can't possibly see the Skins losing a single game more than they did in 06. So if he gets 2 WOWs do you deserve 3?

FWIW....I like posters like Westy and Bubba that almost always think their team is right and even a poster like tr who always thinks the other teams are wrong.

Bubba should not be compared to Westbrook by any means.

Bubba has the facts, the stats, and the reason.

When WB starts a thread with a phrase like. "The Eagles will be infinitely superior to the Skins this season", then how can he be taken seriously? Oh, that's right, you're an Eagles fan... :doh:

Please, give us break...

[tr1]

bedlamVR, no need to respond to Pocono. You're post was well reasoned and can stand by itself.

HTTR!

[tr1]

As for the skins - they actually COULD get worse if you really think about it.

And a meteor could land on your house tomorrow....just sayin'

[pjfootballer]

Redskins:

BC- 11-5
WC- 6-10

Iggles

BC- 12-4
WC-7-9

Gints

BC- 9-7
WC- 4-12

Dallass

BC- 11-5
WC- 6-10

I was trying to be as fair as possible.

[jrockster21]

15-1 is ridiculous, I agree. If for NO other reason than AR would be resting starters the last few weeks. Even then, you can count on the Eagles going 1-3 against the AFC and losing one "easy" game. 2005 for the Eagles was most likely an aberration due to the TO saga, and sheer number of starters put on IR. Not saying they couldn't have major injury problems again, I would tend to think they have better overall depth since then however.

Yeah, but the major injury was McNabb. Westbrook stayed healthy last year, but you definitely cannot count on that - same with Buckhalter. Eagles lost their primary receiver from last year, and will be relying on a guy coming back from a torn achilles and a rookie to shore up the LB corps. I do like Gaither, but he was pretty inconsistent last year. Will he improve? Who knows.

As for the skins - they actually COULD get worse if you really think about it. They had some injury problems last year, but their OL was very healthy and Campbell looked decent at QB. Both Portis and Betts have had injury problems in the past, and the team still has not found a second receiver to take some of the coverage from Moss. Two of their best players on defense, Springs and Taylor, are slightly disgruntled. Sorry just had to put that in there to counter the McNabb line. :) But most importantly, NOTHING was done to upgrade the defensive line, except offer prayers that Griffen, Daniels and Saliva stay healthy and that Carter's 2nd half of the season is the norm and not the first half.

Naw...Portis healthy would have given us at least two more victories last season. Betts did a helluva job, but he's definitely limited, and not the dynamic playmaker that Portis is. Moss healthy and ARE and Lloyd another year in the system will make a difference as well. Christ - look at the Jacksonville game - Moss and Portis were healthy, and combined to give us 4 touchdowns and 278 yards of total offense. And that was against a QUALITY defense. Not to mention Saunders' offenses have traditionally improved drastically from his first to second year. Do not be surprised to see the Skins O in the top 5-10 this season.

The only way the Skins drop more games than last year is with drastic, across the board injuries. But there aren't many teams that can survive that kind of injury bug.

All this being said, if you look at where the two teams were at the end of the season and take into account the additions made through FA and injured players coming back, you do have to admit that Philly looks more talented overall. However, if Campbell looks phenomenally improved and the defense is back to it's old form for the skins, I could see them being significantly better. WE'll have to wait and see.

I dunno...offensively I like the Skins. Defensively, well, it depends on how Spikes, Gaither and Bunkley play. Patterson regressed last year, but should probably be at least decent at DT. Kearse and Howard are both 30+. I'm part of the Skins defense will bounce back crowd - not nearly as good as they were in 04 and 05, but back down to a middle of the pack D, somewhere around 15th.

[Pocono]

Come on now, P - even you can't believe that. Best case scenario is 15-1??? Worst case is .500? For the Skins - everything that could go wrong DID go wrong last year. So yeah, worst case scenario would be to show no improvement, because I don't think any more could go wrong. But the Eagles worst case is 8-8? Did you guys just erase 2005 from your memories? To remind you: that was the year McFlabb went down and you DIDN'T have Garcia on the roster, and you went 6-10. Remember that? Guess what - Garcia is NOT on your roster, and McFlabb is recovering from a serious injury and is slightly disgruntled.

No Rockster I don't think the Eagles can go 15-1. I was just pointing out to the Englishman that he calls for a greater improvement from 06 to 07 than the person he's accusing of homerism.

Both the Skins and Eagles lost their best player on O and both had their stars replacements play quite well. The Eagles lost their most important player on D and the Skins did also. Kearse will be back...will Springs? Both teams got run on and the Eagles added Reagor Scott and the ND kid and look for a contribution from Bunkley. The Skins hope their elderly brigade stay healthy to improve their DL and that isn't so easy for older players. Fletcher could pull a Barrow. New QB's don't always improve. Sometimes[see Romo] the league figures out the new QB's weaknesses and adjusts and makes them ineffective and frustrated. I see the Skins winning between 2 and 9 games. I see the Eagles between 6 and 13 wins. The Giants between 4 and 10 wins and the Cowboys will never win another game............never.

[bubba9497]

"Westbrook calls Tr1 and Bubba - Redskins homers on a Redskins message board owned by the Redskins organization and then posts something like

"Best case Eagles 15-1 worst case 8-8". WOW just WOW."


The thing is Bedlam you give Westy a WOW just WOW for homerism but his best case calls for the Eagles to win 5 more games and yours calls for the Skins to win 6 more than last year and his worst case calls for the Eagles to lose 2 more than last year and you can't possibly see the Skins losing a single game more than they did in 06. So if he gets 2 WOWs do you deserve 3?


:applause: illogical logic

now lets discusses this intelligently,

First, please tell me how many teams have finish the regular season with 15 wins since the NFL went to a 16 game season... :idea: 2 in almost 30 years

see in context his statement has nothing to do with how the Eagles did last season, but a completely unrealistic win total especially when you consider your starting QB is coming off a serious knee injury, you didn't replace your deep threat WR, and your defense has many issues..... is it possible ... yes (so is me winning the lottery), is it probable? no

now lets take the Redskins, they finished 5-11 last season, and the bar was set for them at a 11 win season. Well when you consider that the nucleus of the team just the year before won 10 games (and lost 5 games by 7 points or less, 2 games by 1 point)and they won a playoff game an 11 win season is probable in a Best Case scenario, especially when realize that the worst case scenario happened last season and the Skins had many key injuries, and a QB switch mid season (you know like in 05 for the eagles when they went 6-10)

and how many teams in the NFL had losing seasons to turn it around and win 11 games the next year? heck in the NFC East the past two champions did , the Giants went from 6-10 to 11-5 and won the East, and the birds went from 6-10 to 10-6 plus won a playoff game against the giants for 11 wins


and lets look at Westys worst case scenarios the eagles go 8-8???? just two seasons ago when they lost McNabb and Westbrook... they finished 6-10 so 8-8 is kind of silly when you actually think about it

and his Redskin prediction for worse case is 3-13, and the Skins are most likely going to be putrid :laugh: based on what... their worst case scenario happened last season and they finished 5-11 and wee still competitive in many games they lost despite having a horrendous defense because of all the injuries... Players like Portis, Springs, are returning healthy, hopefully impact players like Moss, Griffin, Washington, Saleavaa, Daniels, Rogers...etc... won't miss a bunch of games or have to play at less than 100%... not to mention Campbells and McIntosh's progeression, the additions of Fletcher and Smoot,


see when you actually put statements into context or reality....the truth appears


FWIW....I like posters like Westy and Bubba that almost always think their team is right and even a poster like tr who always thinks the other teams are wrong.

Thanks, though you are a tad bit off on your assessment of me I never think the Skins are Always right.... but I digress

FWIW I like posters like you, the pseudo intellectuals who likes to look down their nose at others as if they know more... but really don't... great comedy, especially when the starch is let out of their collar every now and again :)

[Westbrook36]

You guys are getting your panties in a wad over something I think there is a 2 percent chance of happening.....the Eagles getting 15 wins. I think the NFC sucks and if the Eagles gel like in 2004, they can be head and shoulders above the NFC. Best case scenario, which probably won't happen is 15 wins. Again, I don't think it will happen.

I like how Bubba brings out the HOF QB numbers to defend Campbell. I've been on many messageboards and the HOF QB first year numbers always come out when someone is defending a QB that was bad their first year. I seen it with Boller, Vick, Holcomb, etc.

Hope is not lost if Campbell doesn't come in 2nd in the MVP voting like McNabb did in his first full season in the NFL; look at Elway's numbers for his first 6 years in the league. They were pedestrian with around a 50 percent completion percentage. Bubba can play the lets compare JC to Elway for at least the next few years. You guys have some time.

[tr1]

look at Elway's numbers for his first 6 years in the league. They were pedestrian with around a 50 percent completion percentage.

| 1983 den | 11 | 123 259 47.5 1663 6.4 7 14 | 28 146 1 |
| 1984 den | 15 | 214 380 56.3 2598 6.8 18 15 | 56 237 1 |
| 1985 den | 16 | 327 605 54.0 3891 6.4 22 23 | 51 253 0 |
| 1986 den | 16 | 280 504 55.6 3485 6.9 19 13 | 52 257 1 |
| 1987 den | 12 | 224 410 54.6 3198 7.8 19 12 | 66 304 4 |
| 1988 den | 15 | 274 496 55.2 3309 6.7 17 19 | 54 234 1 |
| 1989 den | 15 | 223 416 53.6 3051 7.3 18 18 | 48 244 3 |
| 1990 den | 16 | 294 502 58.6 3526 7.0 15 14 | 50 258 3 |
| 1991 den | 16 | 242 451 53.7 3253 7.2 13 12 | 55 255 6 |
| 1992 den | 12 | 174 316 55.1 2242 7.1 10 17 | 34 94 2 |
| 1993 den | 16 | 348 551 63.2 4030 7.3 25 10 | 44 153 0 |
| 1994 den | 14 | 307 494 62.1 3490 7.1 16 10 | 58 235 4 |
| 1995 den | 16 | 316 542 58.3 3970 7.3 26 14 | 41 176 1 |
| 1996 den | 15 | 287 466 61.6 3328 7.1 26 14 | 50 249 4 |
| 1997 den | 16 | 280 502 55.8 3635 7.2 27 11 | 50 218 1 |
| 1998 den | 13 | 210 356 59.0 2806 7.9 22 10 | 37 94 1 |

Percentage is one thing...look at the yardage...

WB, cherry picking again.

[Westbrook36]

I imagine tr1, all excited, looking up Elway's stats.....CONVINCED HE IS GETTING READY TO OWN ME; then realizing I was right. :laugh:

[tr1]

I imagine tr1, all excited, looking up Elway's stats.....CONVINCED HE IS GETTING READY TO OWN ME; then realizing I was right. :laugh:

What, you were right about passing percentage? I'll take a guy who can get me yardage more than one who dinks and dunks for stats.

Yeah, you're owned.
:laugh:

[Westbrook36]

tr1, you have to look at my post in the context in which it was posted; ie, someone could have a pedestrian QB with a low completion percentage and make the leap of faith to post Elway's completion percentage in an attempt to show the masses that everything is going to be ok.

[tr1]

tr1, you have to look at my post in the context in which it was posted; ie, someone could have a pedestrian QB with a low completion percentage and make the leap of faith to post Elway's completion percentage in an attempt to show the masses that everything is going to be ok.

So you weren't cherry picking? Okay, sure.

[scyber]

What, you were right about passing percentage? I'll take a guy who can get me yardage more than one who dinks and dunks for stats.


Like Eli?

[Westbrook36]

So you weren't cherry picking? Okay, sure.

It was never my contention that Elway was an average QB his first few years. I was handing a tidbit for people who like to post such drivel as a comparison to their own young player. I am sorry you don't have the ability to read words on your screen and correctly ascertain the thoughts of the person posting it. I think it was evident to 99 percent of the posters on this board that I was poking fun at Bubba comparing JCs first year to Elway (using completion percentage by the way) and told him he'd be able to do that for quite some time.

[bubba9497]

So you weren't cherry picking? Okay, sure.

I love how Westy tries and turn it around

no one said Campbell would be the next Elway or a HOF QB, HE stated that Campbell wasn't going to be any good based on his seven games last season, pointing out is poor 53% comp. percentage


I just should him how stupid his point was trying to judge Campbell's future by pointing out many great QB's all had similar or worse beginnings stats in the first starts


but he know that, as does anyone reading this thread, and is a prime example why it is pointless to waste time arguing with Westy

he is like a spoiled kid who keeps changing the rules of the game because he is losing :laugh:


actual time line before I showed the QB comparisons of their first year

quotes that apply in order



Skins have a QB who completed 50 percent of his passes behind one of the best OLs and running games in the NFL down the stretch


Rookie grow each year and should get better each year, which should be expected from Campbell this year.

Also, you state that Campbell only completed 50% (53.1% to be accurate), but McNabb has only completed over 60% in 2004. You take that year away and his career average is around 56-57%. Not much better.

So if you compare, our QB had a better rookie season than McNabb. We have a better o-line than you. We have better RBs than you. We have better WRs than you.


Are you talking about the year that McNabb was 2nd in MVP voting. That is the year that you think Campbell was better?

Worst case scenario for the Eagles is 8-8, Westy? Jesus...you've reached new levels of homerism. :laugh:

Dude...you need to brush up on your Eagles' history. :doh:



Westy thinks no one will call him on his stupid statements :rolleyes:



McNabbs first year

1999 phi 12 games (6 S) 106 comp. 216 att. 49.1 comp.% 948 yards 4.4 ypa 8 TD 7 Int. 60.1 QB%

Campbells first year

2007 was 7 games (7 S)110 comp. 207 att. 53.1 comp.% 1297 yards 6.27 YPA 10 TD 6 Int. 76.5 QB%


Some HOF QBs First Year

John Elway
1983 den 11 G 123 259 47.5% 1663 yards 6.4 YP 7 TD 14 Int.

[tr1]

It was never my contention that Elway was an average QB his first few years. I was handing a tidbit for people who like to post such drivel as a comparison to their own young player. I am sorry you don't have the ability to read words on your screen and correctly ascertain the thoughts of the person posting it. I think it was evident to 99 percent of the posters on this board that I was poking fun at Bubba comparing JCs first year to Elway (using completion percentage by the way) and told him he'd be able to do that for quite some time.


99 percent of the posters on this board don't like anyone 'poking fun' at bubba.

You're wrong in your assumptions again.

[jrockster21]

Westbrook - you got caught with your pants down in a bad comparison. Just man up and admit it. :laugh:

Both the Skins and Eagles lost their best player on O and both had their stars replacements play quite well. The Eagles lost their most important player on D and the Skins did also. Kearse will be back...will Springs? Both teams got run on and the Eagles added Reagor Scott and the ND kid and look for a contribution from Bunkley. The Skins hope their elderly brigade stay healthy to improve their DL and that isn't so easy for older players. Fletcher could pull a Barrow. New QB's don't always improve. Sometimes[see Romo] the league figures out the new QB's weaknesses and adjusts and makes them ineffective and frustrated. I see the Skins winning between 2 and 9 games. I see the Eagles between 6 and 13 wins. The Giants between 4 and 10 wins

Skins defense addressed a lot of its holes - that alone will bring the ranking up at least 5 or 6 spots. Sure, Fletcher could pull a Barrow - so could Takeo Spikes if you want to look at it that way. And only one of those players has had a major career-threatening injury in the past couple seasons. ;)

For the most part I agree with you, except I think you're low-balling the Skins. I think the potential wins for us range from 7-12.

and the Cowboys will never win another game............never.

I like the way you think! :cheers:

[McNabbOwnsFedEx]

Concerning o-line and WR's:

Shawn Andrews(24 yrs old) - All pro
Jamaal Jackson(27) - pro bowl alternate, first full year starting
Todd Herremans(24) - first year starting last season
Jon Runyan(32) - pro bowl alternate, top 5 RT in football
Tra Thomas(33) - multi-time pro bowler, great season last year

That's this year's line, next year it will look like this most likeley: Justice/Max/Jamaal/Shawn/Todd or it could be flipped flopped around a number of ways. Maybe Shawn slides out to RT and Max takes his spot?

Btw, Eagles o-line gave up 28 sacks last season, not 40. Most of them are just babies in terms of their NFLE. One would assume that it is only logical for them to get better as they gain experience together. We also have Max ready to come in for Todd when Todd replaces Runyan after this season. Winston Justice ready to replace Tra after this season. Our o-line is big, young, and mean. Have fun with them for the next 5+ years each season.

I know it will be dismissed, but it is more logical for a young o-line to gel together and continue to get better or for an older line losing one of their top players to continue to get better?

Both o-lines are good, i'll take ours for now and the long run. We have the best offensive linemen in the division and one of the best in the league in Andrews.

I guess it doesn't mean anything that all of our WR's except G-lew(who was within 3 yards of ARE and 20 of Lloyd) had more receiving yards than your guys(aside from Moss) last season, either.

[tr1]

Most of them are just babies in terms of their NFLE. One would assume that it is only logical for them to get better as they gain experience together. We also have Max ready to come in for Todd when Todd replaces Runyan after this season. Winston Justice ready to replace Tra after this season. Our o-line is big, young, and mean. Have fun with them for the next 5+ years each season.


You say last year's line are babies, and then you site Runyan and Thomas' replacements. :doh:

Yup, those guys on the BENCH are better than the starters... :doh:

You make my head hurt.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

This is the most volatile thread that ES has had in a while

Skins:
Best 16-0
Worst 0-16

Pukes:
Best 16-0
Worst 0-16

Eagles:
Best 16-0
Worst 0-16

Gmen:
Best 16-0
Worst 0-16

Can the season start any faster?

[IrishOrange15]

I think the Skins and Boys are in the same boat, except the Skins have more questions on defense than the Boys. However we have less on offense than you guys.

I don't understand how you have less questions on offense than Dallas does. Dallas finished 4th in points scored last season and is returning all of their starters and key backups, except for Marco Rivera, who was easily the worst starter on offense.

The Skins offense finished 20th in points scored and 14th in yards. Campbell is no better than an unknown commodity at this point and looking at FO.com's run stats in the zones that are primarily Derrick Dockery's responsibility, it should be said that the Skins lost a productive left guard. Perhaps Wade can fill Dockery's shoes, but it's still a huge question mark at this point.

At least with Leonard Davis, it's probably not likely he'll get worse than Rivera given Rivera's poor play.




YAKUZA

[IrishOrange15]

What, you were right about passing percentage? I'll take a guy who can get me yardage more than one who dinks and dunks for stats.

Yeah, you're owned.
:laugh:

Problem is that you shouldn't look at QB's stats that played in different eras to begin with. The further back you go, teams from those eras threw the ball deep down the field a ton compared to day with the controlled passing attacks. That's why you'll see WR's with gigantic yards per catch and QB's with lower completion percentages and more interceptions. Take a look at guys like Joe Namath or even Ken Stabler's career stats and you will see that's the case.

The 90's gets a little weird with many teams still throwing it deep a lot (i.e. Dallas), but a lot of teams going either more West Coast Offense or the Run N Shoot. In essence, when looking at QB's it's vital that they are compared to the peers of their era. Otherwise you can get Bears fans comparing Rex Grossman to guys like Elway or Phil Simms.




YAKUZA

[bubba9497]

I don't understand how you have less questions on offense than Dallas does. Dallas finished 4th in points scored last season and is returning all of their starters and key backups, except for Marco Rivera, who was easily the worst starter on offense.

The Skins offense finished 20th in points scored and 14th in yards. Campbell is no better than an unknown commodity at this point and looking at FO.com's run stats in the zones that are primarily Derrick Dockery's responsibility, it should be said that the Skins lost a productive left guard. Perhaps Wade can fill Dockery's shoes, but it's still a huge question mark at this point.

At least with Leonard Davis, it's probably not likely he'll get worse than Rivera given Rivera's poor play.

YAKUZA

wait did the Redskins have the starting RB all season? was Moss healthy all season? And we had a QB change

and Dalls OL was the worse in the NFC East and ranked in the lower thrid of the NFL in sacks allowed... and don't fool yourself that all the OL problems were Rivera... and only people in Dallas, are certain Davis will be an upgrade... and he isn't going to help Flozell and Kosier :laugh:

your run game was the worst in the NFC east, 13th in total yards in the NFL, 18th in AVG YPC... and your #1 RB topped 1000 yards for the first time in his career, or played in 16 games

and the notion that your QB situation is any bettr than Washingtons is hilarious, and has been debunk repeatedly in the forum, in fact many outside of Dallas, argue that the Pokes may have more questions, considering Romo's huge plunge in December opposed to Campbells steady improvement

Your WR are OLD, and TO lead the league in most drops as well as most TD's and at 34 which number will most likely be repeated in 07?

oh yeah, ignore those points, just point out some random stats that doesn't give an accurate view

[bubba9497]

Problem is that you shouldn't look at QB's stats that played in different eras to begin with. The further back you go, teams from those eras threw the ball deep down the field a ton compared to day with the controlled passing attacks. That's why you'll see WR's with gigantic yards per catch and QB's with lower completion percentages and more interceptions. Take a look at guys like Joe Namath or even Ken Stabler's career stats and you will see that's the case.

The 90's gets a little weird with many teams still throwing it deep a lot (i.e. Dallas), but a lot of teams going either more West Coast Offense or the Run N Shoot. In essence, when looking at QB's it's vital that they are compared to the peers of their era. Otherwise you can get Bears fans comparing Rex Grossman to guys like Elway or Phil Simms.

YAKUZA

OMG what a freaking stretch of reality :laugh:

news flash short passing has been around since the forward pass was invented

and doesn't McNabb play in the West Coast Offense, which most of the passes are short passes????????

and the point wasn't trying to say Campbell will be great because of the starts of some great QB's, but that you can't write him off because of his average stats after on seven starts, and that some great QB's had some poor stats in the first year starting as well


:rolleyes:

[Westbrook36]

Bubba, it had to be a little frustrating to watch a simply dominant rushing offense be wasted by JC at the end of last year. The Skins were putting up 200 on the ground every game yet JC couldn't/wouldn't do anything to help. I'll let him off the hook because it was his first 7 games but the fact is that he did hardly anything to reassure anyone that he is the answer. He is a huge question mark. I can't think of many situations where a QB stepped in with so many tools around him. Romo stepped in with what you correctly called the worst rushing game in the NFC East, the worst OL, a WR who led the league in drops, and look what he did.

I hate to say it but if you put Romo on the Skins last year, he would have greatly outperformed what JC did. I didn't watch every Skins game but I distinctly remember him single handedly losing the game against the Eagles.

[bedlamVR]

The Eagles game was the only game he really lost with two ill timed interceptions and you kind of expect that out of a rookie

To say Romo would have done better with the Skins personel is just hating in the highest order . Romo had 4 years, at least one full offseason and 4 preseason games in the same system under Parcells to get to grips with the offence and the players . He had the one WR who actually made McNabb look good ( as opposed to McNabb making his recievers look good)to throw to in Owens an average running game and a powerful defence (That crumbled down the stretch)

Campbell had no time in the offence ( he was sharing limited snaps with Collins as he was the Qb most familiar with the system and Brunel was taking the lines share comminginto the season as the unquestioned starter after his career like year in 2005) a backup RB, no Moss to throw to and a defence that was being carved up on a regular basis ...tell me how Campbell had a better sitution again ?

Also can I ask why my Englishness is a problem ? Can I not be a fan if I don't hail from the US of A does a fan become less of a fan the further he or she is out of the damn country?

[Westbrook36]

bedlam, I went a few rounds with some ladies from your home country. You are ok by me.

[Birdlives]

The Skins offense finished 20th in points scored and 14th in yards. Campbell is no better than an unknown commodity at this point and looking at FO.com's run stats in the zones that are primarily Derrick Dockery's responsibility, it should be said that the Skins lost a productive left guard. Perhaps Wade can fill Dockery's shoes, but it's still a huge question mark at this point.

YAKUZA

The definition of cherry picking stats. Dont get me started on this, really. You dont want to go there. To argue that Dockery was even in the top 3 of Skins linemen last year is above and beyond ridiculous. This stat alone doesnt tell the story. One of the favorite things of the Redskins offensive line is to pull. Randy Thomas would drop out of his side and pull around to Dock's side, hence to stat you chose to use above. Dockery on the other side of it did little to no pulling. He also got stood up and neutralized by smaller players on more than one occasion. Is Dockery good? Yes, he is a good guard. Through playing time and experience he will eventually be very good, however, Dockery is not in Randy Thomas' league. Thomas has better leverage skills, is better in space, can pull and drop out for screens better, and rarely gets pushed back on the bull rush. Dont believe me? Go to the video tape. I implore you.

[DWinzit]

bedlam, I went a few rounds with some ladies from your home country. You are ok by me.:rotflmao:
No he's not okay with you.
Not because you had some English muffins, but due to your skewed view through those green sun glasses! :silly:

[DWinzit]

Bubba, it had to be a little frustrating to watch a simply dominant rushing offense be wasted by JC at the end of last year. The Skins were putting up 200 on the ground every game yet JC couldn't/wouldn't do anything to help. I'll let him off the hook because it was his first 7 games but the fact is that he did hardly anything to reassure anyone that he is the answer. He is a huge question mark. I can't think of many situations where a QB stepped in with so many tools around him. Romo stepped in with what you correctly called the worst rushing game in the NFC East, the worst OL, a WR who led the league in drops, and look what he did.

I hate to say it but if you put Romo on the Skins last year, he would have greatly outperformed what JC did. I didn't watch every Skins game but I distinctly remember him single handedly losing the game against the Eagles.Disagree, the Redskin rushing game did not become dominate until Campbell's second start. The OL jelled well once JC entered the lineup and began opening gapping holes. It was JC's entrance into the starting lineup that ignited the running game. Defensive coordinators once again had to respect the Redskin passing game.

JC appeared more comfortable each week. Romo who began looking incredibly comfortable, appeared frustrated and at times awkward towards the end of the season.

[bubba9497]

Disagree, the Redskin rushing game did not become dominate until Campbell's second start. The OL jelled well once JC entered the lineup and began opening gapping holes. It was JC's entrance into the starting lineup that ignited the running game. Defensive coordinators once again had to respect the Redskin passing game.

JC appeared more comfortable each week. Romo who began looking incredibly comfortable, appeared frustrated and at times awkward towards the end of the season.



Westy loves to twist reality to suit his needs

what exacty did Romo do during the same time frame and against 4 common oppenents in December?

oh yeah he help Dallas lose 4 of 5, despite a better defense, and starters injuried on offense and had similar or worse numbers than JC (fewer TDS and more Ints, and fumbles) worse outing against 3 of 4 common oppenents , :laugh:


oh yeah botch the game winning fg in the playoffs :thumbsup:

[Westbrook36]

Disagree, the Redskin rushing game did not become dominate until Campbell's second start. The OL jelled well once JC entered the lineup and began opening gapping holes. It was JC's entrance into the starting lineup that ignited the running game. Defensive coordinators once again had to respect the Redskin passing game.

JC appeared more comfortable each week. Romo who began looking incredibly comfortable, appeared frustrated and at times awkward towards the end of the season.

JC, a green rookie who was facing his first action of the season ignited the running game? My god, I have seen it all.

It's funny how conversations go around here. In one thread, Bubba will be chiding Cowboy fans about how their run game sucks, their line sucks, their receivers are old while the Skins run game is dominant, their line is dominant, yada yada yada.

You agree with him and show how JC had the gift of all those tools and still couldn't produce and the story changes. :laugh:

[jrockster21]

Westy, you are the biggest homer to ever grace this message board.

[Westbrook36]

jrock, I have history and results on my side. Ok, you are going to have to stay with me for a second but close your eyes and imagine a world....a bizarro world, if you will, where there is a guy, who argues as vehemently as I do, but whose team has like 2 playoff wins since the early 90s and is a laughing stock in league circles.

It is hard to believe that such a person could even exist.....forget exist.....be propped up by his fellow fans as a savior....someone who could do the improbable! Argue that a team that consistantly ****s the bed is actually good, well run, competetive against the team who has won the division 5 of the last 6 years.

I know its far fetched. I'm sorry for even making up something so ridiculous.

[Birdlives]

jrock, I have history and results on my side. Ok, you are going to have to stay with me for a second but close your eyes and imagine a world....a bizarro world, if you will, where there is a guy, who argues as vehemently as I do, but whose team has like 2 playoff wins since the early 90s and is a laughing stock in league circles.

It is hard to believe that such a person could even exist.....forget exist.....be propped up by his fellow fans as a savior....someone who could do the improbable! Argue that a team that consistantly ****s the bed is actually good, well run, competetive against the team who has won the division 5 of the last 6 years.

I know its far fetched. I'm sorry for even making up something so ridiculous.

This is a very colorful post, but doesnt really have any point. No one here is arguing Skins vs eagles head to head over the past few years. Quality of franchise doesnt stop people from being blind homers.

[bubba9497]

poor Westy

having Bubba envy


I wish I did half the stuff I get accused of doing :laugh:


at least I could understand all the bull **** attacks

pointing out that Romo isn't ready to be proclaimed great, or on a whole other level than Campbell is me proclaiming JC a future HOF'er and the best QB in the NFC East or some other far fetched notion

is a huge leap of reality

[DWinzit]

JC, a green rookie who was facing his first action of the season ignited the running game? My god, I have seen it all.But Romo, an undrafted bench warmer can? The Redskins had an injured, weak armed Brunell in prior to JC taking over. The last six games of the season the Redskins averaged 166 yards per game rushing. The rest of the season they averaged 120 yards per game!

[bubba9497]

But Romo, an undrafted bench warmer can? The Redskins had an injured, weak armed Brunell in prior to JC taking over. The last six games of the season the Redskins averaged 166 yards per game rushing. The rest of the season they averaged 120 yards per game!


not to mention having the game plan committed to the run where as before the Skins at times abandoned it, passing more with Brunell

and JC first NFL pass was a bomb against Tampa... Saunders was sending a message that the kid can stretch the field in a hurry... don't think that didn't make some DB's and LB drop back an extra step or two

I wonder what the spin will be if Campbell puts up the numbers everyone (outside of Westy) believe he will?

:laugh:

[DWinzit]

I wonder what the spin will be if Campbell puts up the numbers everyone (outside of Westy) believe he will?:laugh:I could see him getting compared to the likes of Kolb.:doh: :D

[TonyRomoProBowl]

You mean on the bench? Or the second year? Or the third year?

Oh, you mean last year!

He was pretty average, and below average once defenses figured him out. No one really knew which Romo was going to show up for the playoff game.


:laugh: I meant what I said, his first year, as comparred to the others, in their first year.

Average in his first year, not bad as comparred to the others. as you know, many do not even fair on an average level in their first year.

[HapHaszard]

:laugh: I meant what I said, his first year, as comparred to the others, in their first year.

Average in his first year, not bad as comparred to the others. as you know, many do not even fair on an average level in their first year.

I can see Romo being a very very good QB and being so for a long time. He showed flashes last year but something happened to him later in the season. I don't think it was defenses figuring him out, but more the whole team let down.
This season will give a good idea what he will be like, if he starts strong I'm sure the team will have confidence in him, if he doesn't and TO starts his usual second year poison because of it, it could be a long year for the Cowboys.

[jpyaks3]

Alright I was bored so I dug through some old prediction threads for last year this was by far the best. http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167272&page=7&pp=15&highlight=prediction
Here are a few notable posts

Post 104 Bubba
"nothing's changed

1. Redskins 10-6 to 14-2
2. Giants 9-7 to 10-6
3. Cowboys 6-10 to 9-7
4. Eagles 6-10 to 8-8

Skins win divison going 5-1 or 6-0"

The almost prophetic WeOwnYou post 41

"
Boys 11-5
NY 9-7
Philly 9-7
Skins 6-10

Dallas has the most depth. They win in the end
NY Defense isn't going to be very good. They are in alot of high scoring games
Philly A good sound team
Skins. If you had a real quarterback, I'd say 12-4. But if you think Brunell can get it done, you're drinking the kool aid. He is the single biggest reason why you won't win games. Archuleta being second.
"

Just a coupla random quotes just goes to show how fast seasons can turn and predictions can go haywire.

[pointyfootball]

Just a coupla random quotes just goes to show how fast seasons can turn and predictions can go haywire.

And hence the reason I only do friendly wagers for 12 packs instead of betting big $.

[Westbrook36]

I agree with a lot of you on this issue. The ONLY difference between Romo and JC last year is Romo actually had a stretch of games where he actually put up some impressive numbers.

[jpyaks3]

And hence the reason I only do friendly wagers for 12 packs instead of betting big $.

Always a good policy.

[jrockster21]

I agree with a lot of you on this issue. The ONLY difference between Romo and JC last year is Romo actually had a stretch of games where he actually put up some impressive numbers.

Uhhh, how about it was JC's second year in the league, but Romo's 4th? How about it was JC's first year in his offense, but it was Romo's 4th? How about those two important factors?

Also, JC made some veteran plays last season - with an offseason of learning the offense under his belt, JC will be dangerous this year.

[dockeryfan]

Uhhh, how about it was JC's second year in the league, but Romo's 4th? How about it was JC's first year in his offense, but it was Romo's 4th? How about those two important factors?

Also, JC made some veteran plays last season - with an offseason of learning the offense under his belt, JC will be dangerous this year.
It's the second year of Saunders offense as well, but don't talk logic, jrock.

[jrockster21]

It's the second year of Saunders offense as well, but don't talk logic, jrock.

Last year was the first year Saunders coached in DC.

[dockeryfan]

Last year was the first year Saunders coached in DC.
I thought you said JC will be dangerous this year wth an offseason of learning under his belt.

The other offensive players also had a year to learn Saunder's system.

Second Year of Saunders, second year starting for JC, nevermind. I think we agree.

[bubba9497]

:laugh: I meant what I said, his first year, as comparred to the others, in their first year.

Average in his first year, not bad as comparred to the others. as you know, many do not even fair on an average level in their first year.


but the difference being the "others" like the ones I showed earlier, started bad, and gradually improved

Romo is more on the lines of guys like Scott Mitchell, Gary Hogeboom... who started read hot, but soon faded when NFL defenses caught up with them in gameplanning

[Tulane Skins Fan]

but the difference being the "others" like the ones I showed earlier, started bad, and gradually improved

Romo is more on the lines of guys like Scott Mitchell, Gary Hogeboom... who started read hot, but soon faded when NFL defenses caught up with them in gameplanning


Jay Schroeder

[DWinzit]

Jay SchroederI don't think Schroeder should be lumped in with the others.

As productive as the beginning of his career was in Washington, he was more productive after he left ..............Trading even up for the top OLT of the early 90's in Jim Lachey was classic Bobby Beathard!:D

[bubba9497]

Jay Schroeder



ding ding ding :1stplace:




I don't think Schroeder should be lumped in with the others.

As productive as the beginning of his career was in Washington, he was more productive after he left ..............Trading even up for the top OLT of the early 90's in Jim Lachey was classic Bobby Beathard!


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :applause:

[DWinzit]

Tight year in the East with the Giants being the weakest team.
Redskins:
Best 12-4
Worst 6-10

Giants:
Best 10-6
Worst 4-12

Eagles:
Best 12-4
Worst 6-10

Cowboys:
Best 12-4
Worst 7-9

[TonyRomoProBowl]

but the difference being the "others" like the ones I showed earlier, started bad, and gradually improved

Romo is more on the lines of guys like Scott Mitchell, Gary Hogeboom... who started read hot, but soon faded when NFL defenses caught up with them in gameplanning

with all do respect bubba, its been 10 games into his carreer. Its impossible to m,ake that claim, just the same as any fan saying he will be the best QB ever. We just do not know, but what we do know, is he had a very good start so far to his career (10 games in)

[bubba9497]

with all do respect bubba, its been 10 games into his carreer. Its impossible to m,ake that claim, just the same as any fan saying he will be the best QB ever. We just do not know, but what we do know, is he had a very good start so far to his career (10 games in)


with all do respect I was referring to QB's who had similar starts, never said how he would turn out

in fact that has been my argument that you don't have enough info on either QB to proclaim that one is playing at a whole other level.

yeah Romo had some high number games, but he also had some horrible ones... did he play at a whole other lower level?

thanks for finally agreeing with me

[TonyRomoProBowl]

with all do respect I was referring to QB's who had similar starts, never said how he would turn out

in fact that has been my argument that you don't have enough info on either QB to proclaim that one is playing at a whole other level.

yeah Romo had some high number games, but he also had some horrible ones... did he play at a whole other lower level?

thanks for finally agreeing with me

We have been agreeing on this for a while now, no problem....but when you say that Romo is like "scott mitchell or gary hogaboom", your just not being honest. Maybe you'll be right (i dont have a crystal ball right now so i dont know) but in order for you to be right, you will have to wait a couple years and then revisit.

[bubba9497]

We have been agreeing on this for a while now, no problem....but when you say that Romo is like "scott mitchell or gary hogaboom", your just not being honest. Maybe you'll be right (i dont have a crystal ball right now so i dont know) but in order for you to be right, you will have to wait a couple years and then revisit.



I said his start is like their start which is true, Scott Mitchell, Gary Hogaboom, Jay Schroeder

all had some big first games, before tailing off in their first season.. some high then lows

[TonyRomoProBowl]

I said his start is like their start which is true, Scott Mitchell, Gary Hogaboom, Jay Schroeder

all had some big first games, before tailing off in their first season.. some high then lows

anyone have game by game data on Scott Mitchell and Gary Hogaboom? My memory is not the best with those two, but i do not see simularities in Romo with either...I think Gary sucked right out of the gate and Mitchell had some really good seasons before he sucked.

But ok, Romo is most comparraed to Scott Mitchell.......:doh: whatever.


EDIT: I say his first year is most comparable to Farve's first year..stat wise. :silly:

[DWinzit]

with all do respect bubba, its been 10 games into his carreer. Its impossible to m,ake that claim, just the same as any fan saying he will be the best QB ever. We just do not know, but what we do know, is he had a very good start so far to his career (10 games in)The Tony Romo bandwagon began the moment he took field. Most of the nation seemed to hop on, from newspapers, magazines, radio, television, celebrities, heck he even had a TV show and just look at some of the silly user names on the board:silly: .

My point is all those people and many ES posters have proclaimed him the second coming of Aikman, why can't he be the second coming of Scott Mitchell? And if bubba's analogy somehow offends you, think how the Aikman type analogies may offend bubba!
You're correct we don't know the Romo outcome but....:fortune: I'm envisioning Mitchell!:D

[pointyfootball]

You're correct we don't know the Romo outcome but....:fortune: I'm envisioning Mitchell!:D

envisioning = hoping for?

[DWinzit]

envisioning = hoping for?Do crystal balls show hope?:laugh: