Blaming Bill shows a lack of class

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Disclaimer: I am not Gil LeBreton. Oh, and 'ouch'...this article stings puke fans. Maybe Gil posts here in ATN...if not, he'd be a welcomed contributor.


By GIL LeBRETON
Star-Telegram staff writer
http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/columnists/gil_lebreton/story/108627.html


Let's all blame Bill, shall we?

Blame Bill Parcells for the Cowboys' four seasons of mostly disappointment. Blame him for the wasted draft picks. Blame him for Drew Henson, Chad Hutchinson, and as long as we're at it, for Drew Bledsoe.

Blame Parcells for failing to recognize the inner saintliness of Terrell Owens. Blame him for the fumbled field goal snap in Seattle. Blame him for global warming.

And the latest -- let's all blame Bill Parcells for making Julius Jones run "like a robot." Whatever that means.

Jones unloaded on his former head coach on a TV show on the BET network called Ballers. I must have been watching that Bob Barker retirement special.

Jones told BET, "No disrespect to coach Parcells, but you can't really tell a running back where to run, or he's going to be out there looking like a robot. That's what I was doing last year."

No disrespect to Parcells? Maybe I'm missin' my dissin'.

It's all about the disrespect. For most modern, underachieving athletes, it's all about passing the blame and teeing up the head coach, whenever possible, as the scapegoat.

We media love this. When there's a change at head coach, we trawl, trawl, trawl the locker room for dissenters, hoping to find the slightest answer that smacks of previous dissatisfaction with Life Under Bill.

We've had practice, after all. We spent the entire Rangers spring training trawling the clubhouse for previous dissatisfaction with Life Under Buck Showalter.

Let's all blame Buck, shall we?

Except, how do we blame Buck this year for Michael Young's .236 batting average or Vicente Padilla's 1-6 record?

We can't. But if it's surrounded with quotation marks, we're using it. You bet your Juliuses we are.

In Jones' case, he must have felt that he had to say something. Did he think that Ballers booked him for the show, just so he could talk about the 77-yard run he had against New Orleans?

I'll give the BET show's producers credit. Owens must have been busy, so they knew where to look for someone else to dump on Parcells.

When a guy gets drafted to be Emmitt Smith's successor and instead averages only 67.8 yards per game, and when a team passes on Steven Jackson and instead picks a guy whose role grew smaller and smaller late last season, the guy probably welcomes the chance to go on a cable network and blame someone else.

In truth, Jones' 1,084 yards rushing ranked 14th in the NFL last season. But if you take out the long run in that 42-17 loss to the Saints, Jones barely made 1,000 yards (1,007) and averaged only 3.8 yards per carry. That average would have ranked him 26th of the top 30 NFL rushers.

It was easy, therefore, to find Julius Jones. The BET producers just looked in the phone book under "Disappointments."

It's true that Parcells appeared to prefer a two-back system at running back. But whose fault was that -- Parcells' or Jones'?

Together, the tandem of Jones and Marion Barber rushed for 1,738 yards last season. Overall, the Cowboys ranked 13th in the league in rushing yards per game.

That's not that bad. But it was, when you consider that the Cowboys -- Jones and whoever -- ranked last in rushing yardage in the NFC East.

As the regular season staggered to its conclusion last season, Parcells seemed to become fixated on minimizing the team's mistakes. The last thing that Parcells wanted to see -- besides, of course, another touchdown pass thrown over Roy Williams' head -- was a Jones fumble or a Tony Romo interception.

If Jones didn't get the football as much as he wanted last December, I'm inclined to blame Julius -- for not convincing Parcells to trust him. The only thing "robotic" about Jones was the machine-vise grip that he probably was using to carry the football.

Let me suggest that Parcells was so desperate to win a game, any game, late last season, he would have given Jones 50 carries if he felt it was the safest likely answer.

Let's not blame Bill, therefore, shall we? Not for everything.

Parcells didn't lead the league in dropped passes. Yet, the guy who did had the nerve to suggest that losing the playoff game at Seattle wasn't all a bad thing because, "Who knows? Had we gone deeper into the playoffs, we may not have a new coach."

Of course, we quoted Terrell Owens when he said that.

A coach leaves. A player blames the former coach for everything. And the media is there to report it.

It doesn't have to be that way, though. We can't quote a player who doesn't talk.

But they all talk. They all blame.

The silly thing is, they all think we believe them.

[bubba9497]

was a Jones fumble or a Tony Romo interception.



but he's pro bowl caliber, he plays on whole other level....... :laugh:

[stwasm]

Then, when the Wade Phillips era gets off to a rough start, they'll be blaming him, too.

[Teller]

How any Cowboy fan can like or even respect Jerry Jones is completely beyond me. I don't think there's another owner in the NFL with less respect for HOF head coaches.

[DeMarco Murray 29]

How any Cowboy fan can like or even respect Jerry Jones is completely beyond me. I don't think there's another owner in the NFL with less respect for HOF head coaches.

Well it's like Bill to me. They have won in the past, so you have to respect them.

[THEHEREAFTER]

but he's pro bowl caliber, he plays on whole other level....... :laugh:

Yes, he was a pro bowler and yes, he played on a higher level than Jason Campbell last year. Not rocket science and very good observations Bubba. Swallow it and move on Homer Simpson.

1 Peyton Manning IND 4397 557 362 31 9 68 101.0

2 Damon Huard KC 1878 244 148 11 1 78 98.0

3 Drew Brees NO 4418 554 356 26 11 86 96.2

4. Donovan McNabb PHI 2647 316 180 18 6 87 95.5

5. Tony Romo DAL 2903 337 220 19 13 56 95.1

For those keeping score at home, Huard and McNabb of course did not finish their respective seasons. Also Romo's 65% completion percentage ranks #1 amongst the top 5. I'd say that's a pretty high level in pretty good company let alone for a first year starter.

[THEHEREAFTER]

How any Cowboy fan can like or even respect Jerry Jones is completely beyond me. I don't think there's another owner in the NFL with less respect for HOF head coaches.

What HOF coaches has Jerry Jones disrespected? Remember he hired Bill and gave him control. The Bottom line is that Bill didn't get us a playoff win in the 4 years that he was here. It was time to move on. He did build a great nucleus but he coached to keep the game close in the 4th. He did overcoach Julius Jones and his 3-4 is far less agressive than Phillips'.

[DWinzit]

Wade has inherited a very talented team. Along with the team comes the meddling Jones who comes across as fake as his face. Parcells left the team with few holes to be addressed in the off season. How these holes were filled had nothing to do with Parcells, yet will likely make or break their season. I hope at the end of the season the FO, Phillips and Jones will own up to some of the blame for Dallas not reaching the playoffs.

Remember Cowboy fans, it wasn't Parcells who decided to:

Pass on Meachem in the draft when the two injury prone old timers don't finish the season.
Bring in a Bledsoe type elder statue to back up a still green starting QB.
Pass on Meriweather to team up with Roy in the defensive backfield. Or in choosing Hamlin to do so.
Bring in an overweight underachiever to solidify the OL.
Pass on bringing in a legit backup NT.
Etc.........

[stwasm]

How any Cowboy fan can like or even respect Jerry Jones is completely beyond me. I don't think there's another owner in the NFL with less respect for HOF head coaches.

As much as I hate the Cowboys, he really gave Tom Landry a raw deal, that's for sure. The man only put that team on the map!

[Teller]

As much as I hate the Cowboys, he really gave Tom Landry a raw deal, that's for sure. The man only put that team on the map!

Amen. Even died-in-the-wool Skins fans like ourselves have to respect Landry. Not only was the man a great coach, but the personification of class.

I can't quite go as far in my praise of Parcells, but the guy is a HOFer without question, IMO. If Dallas does indeed return to their historically winning ways, I have to believe that it will be largely a credit to a stacked, young defense; built by Parcells.

[HeHateMe]

But wait, werent you blaming Parcells when he was in Dallas too?

Yeah, you were. But now that he's gone, it's the worst thing that couldve happened.

Thanks again Mr. Eggo.

[Birdlives]

But wait, werent you blaming Parcells when he was in Dallas too?



Yeah, you were. But now that he's gone, it's the worst thing that couldve happened.



Thanks again Mr. Eggo.

Not much different than when you guys said Peyton was too vanilla when he left the cowboys. Now look at him.

The same is being said of Zimmer. Wonder what will happen if he is successful in his next job.

I also recall ALL the cowboys fans, on this site at least, touting Parcells as a god-like figure when he was with the team. He was better than Gibbs. Now it's all about how he was too conservative and didn't get them to the playoffs. His 3-4 isnt as good as Wade's. Someone needs to buy a mirror.

[Birdlives]

Yes, he was a pro bowler and yes, he played on a higher level than Jason Campbell last year. Not rocket science and very good observations Bubba. Swallow it and move on Homer Simpson.

1 Peyton Manning IND 4397 557 362 31 9 68 101.0

2 Damon Huard KC 1878 244 148 11 1 78 98.0

3 Drew Brees NO 4418 554 356 26 11 86 96.2

4. Donovan McNabb PHI 2647 316 180 18 6 87 95.5

5. Tony Romo DAL 2903 337 220 19 13 56 95.1

For those keeping score at home, Huard and McNabb of course did not finish their respective seasons. Also Romo's 65% completion percentage ranks #1 amongst the top 5. I'd say that's a pretty high level in pretty good company let alone for a first year starter.

Romo didn't play an entire season either. The numbers may seem great, but how about he goes a whole 16 before you start the praise. Lord knows I ain't got nothing to say about Campbell until he does.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Not much different than when you guys said Peyton was too vanilla when he left the cowboys. Now look at him.

The same is being said of Zimmer. Wonder what will happen if he is successful in his next job.

I also recall ALL the cowboys fans, on this site at least, touting Parcells as a god-like figure when he was with the team. He was better than Gibbs. Now it's all about how he was too conservative and didn't get them to the playoffs. His 3-4 isnt as good as Wade's. Someone needs to buy a mirror.

i know zimmer will succeed, and i will be happy for him.

Dont lump all fans together please.

I dont blame Bill.

I like Zimmer

And i think ARE is better then Crayton.

Not all of one fan base thinks alike.....just look at all the Gibbs haters in the stadium. Not all skins fans are alike either.

Just sayin, we all have our owm personalities and feelings about our team.

[Birdlives]

i know zimmer will succeed, and i will be happy for him.

Dont lump all fans together please.

I dont blame Bill.

I like Zimmer

And i think ARE is better then Crayton.

Not all of one fan base thinks alike.....just look at all the Gibbs haters in the stadium. Not all skins fans are alike either.

Just sayin, we all have our owm personalities and feelings about our team.

Valid points, every one of them. Either way, you get the idea. Also, you pretty much know who you are and you know who I'm talkin' about. If you dont deserve to be lumped then it goes without saying.

[paloosa]

So Julius Jones says that Parcells told him where to run and it made him look like a robot. Well Julius wake up! The coach tells you where to run because that is where the play is designed to go not where you think it should go. Parcell had several runners that he coached that had really good seasons and never complained about that. I agree with the other people on here that say he is not as good as he says he is. If he is so good then why hasn't he rushed for 1,600 yds and 9 tds? Because he isn't that good. He was never that good at Notre Dame either. Really good players get drafted high. There are exceptions to that but Jones is not the exception. TO and Julius Jones need to form a duo called the "Dualing Whiners".

[dockeryfan]

What HOF coaches has Jerry Jones disrespected? Remember he hired Bill and gave him control.
Terrell Owens.

[bubba9497]

Romo didn't play an entire season either. The numbers may seem great, but how about he goes a whole 16 before you start the praise.


Bingo!

3 of the top 5 didn't play a full season


that pretty much proves the point....easier to get great stats after a couple big games earlyand not a full season to average things out fairly


I'm mean come on Haurd is a career backup journeyman :laugh:

Romo's Nov. was 124% 9 td 1 int. against horrible pass defenses

Romo's Dec. was 77% 6 td 8 int. against average to poor pass defenses

and if a Saint db didn't have a cast on his hand, Romo Dec. would have been 5 td 9 int an a QB% in the 60's or 50's

[THEHEREAFTER]

Wade has inherited a very talented team. Along with the team comes the meddling Jones who comes across as fake as his face.

Jerry Jones is a real owner and has three real rings to prove it. You should look in your own back yard and check yourself.


Parcells left the team with few holes to be addressed in the off season. How these holes were filled had nothing to do with Parcells, yet will likely make or break their season.

This goes without saying. Parcells did alot of positive things for us and left the franchise in great shape. What happens from this point forward falls squarely on the FO and the new coaches. What happens from this point is not Parcells responsibility. Don't you think this goes without saying or do you just like to babble?



I hope at the end of the season the FO, Phillips and Jones will own up to some of the blame for Dallas not reaching the playoffs.

Aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself? Obviously you think Dallas will suck and not make the playoffs but barring major injuries I think we make it back. We begin the offseason with a starting QB in place as opposed to last years controversial midseason switch. We should be much improved on defense. We still went 9-7 last year after blowing games to the skins and Lions.




Remember Cowboy fans, it wasn't Parcells who decided to:

Pass on Meachem in the draft when the two injury prone old timers don't finish the season.

Meachum would have been fourth at best on our depth chart. Another pass rusher to compliment Ware was a greater need. Assuming T.O. and Glenn, still arguably a top 3 recieving duo in the league stay healthy as they have of late, Meachum would have been a wasted pick.

Bring in a Bledsoe type elder statue to back up a still green starting QB.

This elder statue shredded you guys last year. Most believe he's a solid backup to our "still green" young PRO BOWL QB. :)


Pass on Meriweather to team up with Roy in the defensive backfield. Or in choosing Hamlin to do so.

Meriweather is talented but has character issues. Personally, I think the unknown factor is a greater risk with Merriweather than Hamlin. I think that Hamlin will go down as our best offseason acquisition but only time will tell.


Bring in an overweight underachiever to solidify the OL.

Once again, time will tell. I think he'll fit in nicely.

Pass on bringing in a legit backup NT.

This is somewhat of a concern but not a major one.

Etc.........

C'mon, I want to know what else? I'm sure you could keep going forever? :)
[/QUOTE]

Once again, Parcells didn't get it done in Dallas and the players like the new changes. Nobody is stating that Parcells should be held responsible for what happens this year should we not make the post season but I have a hunch that you would be first in line to give Parcells the credit should we go further than where he took us in four years.

[THEHEREAFTER]

[QUOTE]Bingo!

3 of the top 5 didn't play a full season


that pretty much proves the point....easier to get great stats after a couple big games earlyand not a full season to average things out fairly

He may have put up better #'s as well had he played the entire season? Works both ways. How bout we go with the 10 game sample and REALITY!!??



I'm mean come on Haurd is a career backup journeyman :laugh:

Exactly. He got benched and didn't finish the season which is why I remove him and McNabb.


Romo's Nov. was 124% 9 td 1 int. against horrible pass defenses

Romo is also a first year starter yet you digging up the rankings of the defenses he faced. Everything in the NFL was a new experience.


Romo's Dec. was 77% 6 td 8 int. against average to poor pass defenses

Romo was FIRST YEAR STARTER. He led his team to the playoffs and his OVERALL ranking was 95.1. Why are you cherry picking to discredit him? Ohh yeah, you're a skins fan.


and if a Saint db didn't have a cast on his hand, Romo Dec. would have been 5 td 9 int an a QB% in the 60's or 50's

See this Bubba is why I call you the worlds greatest HOMER and why I consider you an absolute joke. You don't have a shred of credibility and this is a serious reach. I dare you to go and pull the "almost picked" passes of the top 10 QB's last year? It happens to every QB including Peyton Manning. I remember vividly the Giants dropping three sure Int's on opening night but who cares. Could it be out of sheer hatred you put Romo under a microscope and Cherry pick to prove that he's a fluke? I wonder?

[THEHEREAFTER]

[QUOTE]So Julius Jones says that Parcells told him where to run and it made him look like a robot.

This is actually true. You could see it in his running style from his rookie year when Parcells allowed him to run freely. Julius Jones is a humble guy soft spoken guy. Boys fans have seen a difference with him the last few years and I believe him.




Parcell had several runners that he coached that had really good seasons and never complained about that.

Curtis Martin had better numbers without Parcells believe it or not.




I agree with the other people on here that say he is not as good as he says he is

You mean the people from extremeskins? :laugh: Your using this site as your litmus test? :laugh: You've got to be kidding.




. If he is so good then why hasn't he rushed for 1,600 yds and 9 tds?

Stay tuned. :cool:



Really good players get drafted high.

You should really stop posting now.

[ArmchairRedskin]

You really try too hard THA. It smacks of desperation that you're on here defending your boys so hard. I mean disecting peoples posts line by line three posts in a row? Yeesh!

:)

[MrSilverMaC]

The last thing that Parcells wanted to see -- besides, of course, another touchdown pass thrown over Roy Williams' head


Quoted because it's hilariously true.

[Califan007]

Quoted because it's hilariously true.
You beat me to it lol :laugh:...

[Califan007]

"Who knows? Had we gone deeper into the playoffs, we may not have a new coach."

This quote by T.O. epitomizes what I hate about him...he would rather the team not succeed as much if it means the coach HE didn't like will be gone. It never occurs to him that perhaps a lot of his teammates liked Parcells and would have GLADLY taken a deeper run in the playoffs and retaining him as coach...hell, I would guess most Cowboys players would have preferred that even IF they hated Parcells.

T.O. and Jones are looking immature and idiotic, more so than usual.

[DWinzit]

Jerry Jones is a real owner and has three real rings to prove it. You should look in your own back yard and check yourself. Your criteria makes Al Davis one of the best owners!:doh:

Jones is a meddler plain and simple. Yes Snyder has meddled as well, although through Gibbs return he has restrained.

This goes without saying. Parcells did alot of positive things for us and left the franchise in great shape. What happens from this point forward falls squarely on the FO and the new coaches. What happens from this point is not Parcells responsibility. Don't you think this goes without saying or do you just like to babble? .Certainly I think it goes without saying. What you are calling babble goes along with this article aned many others recently posted. Parcells is being blamed for every shortcoming in Dallas. My point was will this continue throughout the coming season....for many more items he should not be held accountable for.

Aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself? Obviously you think Dallas will suck and not make the playoffs but barring major injuries I think we make it back. We begin the offseason with a starting QB in place as opposed to last years controversial midseason switch. We should be much improved on defense. We still went 9-7 last year after blowing games to the skins and Lions..Actually I stated Wade inherited a very good team with just a few holes. I am not sure they did the best job of filling them, but we'll see. And yeah I through a negaive twist in, but I am a Redskin fan!:)

OBTW you didn't blow those games, you lossed them!

Meachum would have been fourth at best on our depth chart. Another pass rusher to compliment Ware was a greater need. Assuming T.O. and Glenn, still arguably a top 3 recieving duo in the league stay healthy as they have of late, Meachum would have been a wasted pick..I will not argue a healthy Glenn and TO combo are not very good, or that Clayton is a good #3. Once one of them goes down again, you will be in trouble. And if you looked ahead for a moment, Meachem has #1 potential and both TO and Glenn will probably not be on the team next season. Claytons contract also will be up.:whoknows:

This elder statue shredded you guys last year. Most believe he's a solid backup to our "still green" young PRO BOWL QB. :) .So has Bledsoe but the fact is, you have a very similar backup to the one we kept hearing had to be pulled last season.

Meriweather is talented but has character issues. Personally, I think the unknown factor is a greater risk with Merriweather than Hamlin. I think that Hamlin will go down as our best offseason acquisition but only time will tell..Hamlin isn't bad. Meriweather is a better cover safety than any one on your club. Remember that when it is the exploited part of your defense!

I'm sure you could keep going forever? :)
[/list]But of course!;)

Once again, Parcells didn't get it done in Dallas and the players like the new changes. Nobody is stating that Parcells should be held responsible for what happens this year should we not make the post season but I have a hunch that you would be first in line to give Parcells the credit should we go further than where he took us in four years.You can't argue Parcells has set up your team very well.

I have always respected and disliked Tuna. Yes I would give him credit because it would be credit due, unlike the way the Cowboys orgazation is now treating him.

[Walking Deadman]

I love how Dallas' fan/the team/Jerry Jones has made Parcells the scapegoat.
When he was to be the savior after the Campo years :rolleyes:
But I have to think Parcells didn't have the drive anymore to coach and put up with the crap of Jones and TO. Maybe, Bill can come out with another tape "coping with an owner who wants to coach and lockerroom cancer"
(and maybe he can give a copy to coach Gibbs)

Romo will be next.....you watch, as TO drops his passes and Dallas' fan continue to buys TO's jersey; Romo will be blamed for it. Next "savior" will be blamed for the losses. Oh, and Phillips as well............

[THEHEREAFTER]

You really try too hard THA. It smacks of desperation that you're on here defending your boys so hard. I mean disecting peoples posts line by line three posts in a row? Yeesh!

:)


Armchair extremeskins is a hobby. Why would I come here if I didn't like to debate. Extremeskins is like an instant debate for Cowboys fans. Everyone here thinks were terrible and we suck. There's no middle ground. The Cowboys just plain suck here. There are two members of ATN who hate the Cowboys more than anything else in life and like to play games. So I humor them. :cool:

[THEHEREAFTER]

This quote by T.O. epitomizes what I hate about him...he would rather the team not succeed as much if it means the coach HE didn't like will be gone. It never occurs to him that perhaps a lot of his teammates liked Parcells and would have GLADLY taken a deeper run in the playoffs and retaining him as coach...hell, I would guess most Cowboys players would have preferred that even IF they hated Parcells.

T.O. and Jones are looking immature and idiotic, more so than usual.

It's possible to respect Parcells and still be happy change occured. Have you considered that?

[bubba9497]

To give you an example what a difference those other 6 games make

when you factor in Bledsoe's QB% rating for the five games before Romo came in against the giants

the QB% rating drops to around 87% or the same as Mark Brunells rating

of course there is no way of telling how Romo would have faired in place of Bledsoe, better or worse... but THAT'S THE POINT

or to be honest, much of Romo's hype was because of the Turkey day game against the Bucs... a bad team on a short week on the road on a holiday, on national TV

if you take that one game out of the equation Romo's other 9 games are not so impressive

his numbers would be around:

308 att. 198 comp. 64% Comp.% 2597 yards 14TD 13 INT 87.3%< just avg. the games

Wait, you say that's not fair... because he actually played that game and you can't remove that from the mix????


BINGO, you can't judge him based on only 10 games started, where other QB played a full 16 games

and if you took out 6 games of any QB... their stats would look much better

[Califan007]

It's possible to respect Parcells and still be happy change occured. Have you considered that?
He goes beyond that to mentioning NOT going further into the playoffs to achieve this. That's putting your own desires ahead of the team's goals. Because the team's goal was NOT to find a coach everyone liked. It was to get to the Super Bowl. Seeing NOT progressing further in the playoffs as a good thing because it netted you a new coach is asinine...thinking that chain of logic somehow shows respect for the previous coach is even more so.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Armchair extremeskins is a hobby. Why would I come here if I didn't like to debate. Extremeskins is like an instant debate for Cowboys fans. Everyone here thinks were terrible and we suck. There's no middle ground. The Cowboys just plain suck here. There are two members of ATN who hate the Cowboys more than anything else in life and like to play games. So I humor them. :cool:




Still, line by line - three posts in a row?

Besides, if you reversed your role, and applied it to the two posters in question, I'm sure the exact same thing would be true. :)

[THEHEREAFTER]

He goes beyond that to mentioning NOT going further into the playoffs to achieve this. That's putting your own desires ahead of the team's goals. Because the team's goal was NOT to find a coach everyone liked. It was to get to the Super Bowl. Seeing NOT progressing further in the playoffs as a good thing because it netted you a new coach is asinine...thinking that chain of logic somehow shows respect for the previous coach is even more so.


I understand what you're saying. T.O. doesn't always have the best choice of words to express himself. :laugh: You might even say this is an understatement. As a competitor, you know T.O. wanted to win the game. You know he wanted to advance. I think in his own strange way he was simply trying to state that everything happens for a reason and he likes the changes. While Bill commands respect and instills discipline, he's also stubborn, does not take risks and is set in his ways.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Still, line by line - three posts in a row?

Besides, if you reversed your role, and applied it to the two posters in question, I'm sure the exact same thing would be true. :)


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :applause:

Perhaps, but you must admit you have some instigators here. I guess they have every right though.

[ArmchairRedskin]

In all honesty, I'd be more afraid of the boys if Bill were still in charge. No way Wade does anything. I'm still wondering where Garrett got his qualifications from. No ones seems to know from what I've read, people I've talked to.

[ArmchairRedskin]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :applause:

Perhaps, but you must admit you have some instigators here. I guess they have every right though.


Well this place would be dead otherwise. People would read, be like "that's totally true" and then the thread would die. Instigating is what makes this wheel turn.

If you go on other teams' ATNFL forums, theyre usually pretty dead and threads are still on top from two weeks ago. (not mentioning any boards by name :) )

[THEHEREAFTER]

In all honesty, I'd be more afraid of the boys if Bill were still in charge. No way Wade does anything. I'm still wondering where Garrett got his qualifications from. No ones seems to know from what I've read, people I've talked to.


For some reason, Bill couldn't get us where we needed to go. He's a great coach and a HOF'er but played to close to the vest. The beginning of the end for me is when he got whipped silly by his former understudy Sean Peyton. Bill's time was up and the players attitude just about sums it up. I would seriously fear the addition of Spencer and what Wade can do with all of Bill's toys. Garrett will become a great young offensive mind IMO.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Well this place would be dead otherwise. People would read, be like "that's totally true" and then the thread would die. Instigating is what makes this wheel turn.

If you go on other teams' ATNFL forums, theyre usually pretty dead and threads are still on top from two weeks ago. (not mentioning any boards by name :) )


The ultimate love/hate relationship. What and who I hate the most keep things moving around here. :( My only gripe is that things can be just as fun and heated around here without one guy being such a coward.

[ArmchairRedskin]

For some reason, Bill couldn't get us where we needed to go. He's a great coach and a HOF'er but played to close to the vest. The beginning of the end for me is when he got whipped silly by his former understudy Sean Peyton. Bill's time was up and the players attitude just about sums it up. I would seriously fear the addition of Spencer and what Wade can do with all of Bill's toys. Garrett will become a great young offensive mind IMO.



Yeah, but what about Garrett makes you think that?

Even Payton whipping him wouldn't make me discount Bill. He put your team together for the most part and did a pretty good job. I'm glad he didnt hang out longer.


Wade hasn't been a good HC. He's a good DC, but from what I understand, he's too much of a player's coach. Not enough of a disciplinarian. I guess we'll find out how he handles such things as TO's attitude and Ellis' unhappiness soon enough.

[ArmchairRedskin]

The ultimate love/hate relationship. What and who I hate the most keep things moving around here. :( My only gripe is that things can be just as fun and heated around here without one guy being such a coward.



I've gotten wrapped up in it too much myself, but the constant Bubba and Tr1 bashing is so stupid considering they fuel this whole thing. Like it or not, you'd miss them if they weren't here.

Me personally? I love those two guys. Would love to sit at a bar with them and shoot the ish with them. Talk about all the opposing fans they've riled up and how many guys got so heated they got banned for it. That'd be a whole weekend right there :laugh:

I'd love to shoot the ish with a lot of guys. Not many people I know personally are into the NFL like me. One guy is Jets fan, but I keep forgetting the Jets are even in the NFL with NE spankin that ass every year :laugh:

I wanna go to the Boys-Skins game, but it's like a 3 hr drive and no one I know is really into it. That bites. We'll see though. I do have a maybe from a good friend of mine, so I hope to make it.

[HeHateMe]

Not much different than when you guys said Peyton was too vanilla when he left the cowboys. Now look at him.

The same is being said of Zimmer. Wonder what will happen if he is successful in his next job.

I also recall ALL the cowboys fans, on this site at least, touting Parcells as a god-like figure when he was with the team. He was better than Gibbs. Now it's all about how he was too conservative and didn't get them to the playoffs. His 3-4 isnt as good as Wade's. Someone needs to buy a mirror.

I never said that so dont group me with "you guys".

In a perfect world, Payton wouldve succeeded Parcells.

As for Zimmer, he had to go. The 3-4 was forced on him and he couldnt adjust enough to get the job done.

He's a great def. coord. but he is ill-suited running the 3-4. I loved him in Dallas, even when he did run the 3-4 under Parcells guide. But it didnt work and I wish him the best elsewhere and hope he becomes an HC one day.

And there isnt one other coach I'd rather have on the sidelines than Parcells. My posts on this MB are clear on that. Jones wanted him just as much. But in the end, Parcells made the decision to hang 'em up.

Now Dallas has made the best of a difficult situation. Mostly by NOT hiring Norv Turner.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Yeah, but what about Garrett makes you think that?

Just a hunch. His experience a player/backup with the Dallas Championship teams of the mid 90's. He played very well as a backup when he had to and witnessed alot during those years. He was also QB's coach for the Dolphins. Everyone starts somewhere. He's one of those guys that was an o.k player but may become a great coach. I have nothing substantial to really back up my hunch. Just a feeling. We'll see.


Even Payton whipping him wouldn't make me discount Bill. He put your team together for the most part and did a pretty good job. I'm glad he didnt hang out longer.

I could not take another year of Bill's exasperated expressions on the sidelines. He did a great Job agreed but you cannot not win in the postseason in Dallas. He had 4 years and it was time for a change. Perhaps Wade can take the torch and win in the postseason. Not one Cowboys fan I've encountered online or in person is upset about Bill's departure. That says alot.



Wade hasn't been a good HC. He's a good DC, but from what I understand, he's too much of a player's coach.

He's actually not too bad considering that he has a winning record, has taken teams into the postseason and has experience. You can bet he woulda been the guy in SD if Dallas didn't get him.




I guess we'll find out how he handles such things as TO's attitude and Ellis' unhappiness soon enough.

These two items will certainly play a big part in his success or lack of. I'd say he's off to a great start with T.O. Lord knows last summer was a disaster with BP and T.O..

[THEHEREAFTER]

I've gotten wrapped up in it too much myself, but the constant Bubba and Tr1 bashing is so stupid considering they fuel this whole thing. Like it or not, you'd miss them if they weren't here.

Me personally? I love those two guys. Would love to sit at a bar with them and shoot the ish with them. Talk about all the opposing fans they've riled up and how many guys got so heated they got banned for it. That'd be a whole weekend right there :laugh:
.

I will say that I've had moments with Bubba where we can sit back and laugh at things and realize that were both passionate about our teams. Tr1 on the other hand is like a nasty computer virus without any people skills whatsoever. That guy isn't human. The skins could go 0-16 and he'd be in full force raring to go with another green highlited article in the chamber.

[bubba9497]

There are two members of ATN who hate the Cowboys more than anything else in life and like to play games. So I humor them.


actually that is a total fabrication, reality is that if you constantly call out a poke fans homer filled unrealistic BS, they bran you just a hater... rather than admit they are the homers :laugh:

the truth for ONE of those ATN members is that certain arrogant, blatant Poke homers try to constantly make everyone believe the pokes are the greatest team ever, and make huge unrealistic claims, This One ATN member enjoys bringing them back to reality, and calling out their stupidity, and taking a little starch out of their arrogant collars now and again :laugh:

especially ones who likes to set themselves above everyone else, so they can look down their nose at everyone.... it is extremely (pun) enjoyable to take them down a notch or two.... easily debunking their so called "opinion" with facts, logic, and common sense... then read them spin themselves silly rather than concede even the simplest of points is pure entertainment... there are about a half Dozen ATN Poke fans that fit that catagory, .... at LEAST :laugh:

[DWinzit]

Now Dallas has made the best of a difficult situation. Mostly by NOT hiring Norv Turner.It seems funny how you won't get much arguement on this statement here, but the media and many in Dallas may argue. The Norv love fest that went on prior to Phillips signing was crazy!

[DWinzit]

Tr1 on the other hand is like a nasty computer virus without any people skills whatsoever. That guy isn't human. The skins could go 0-16 and he'd be in full force raring to go with another green highlited article in the chamber.:laugh: What a classic tr1 description!!!
Best ever!:laugh:

[THEHEREAFTER]

The Norv love fest that went on prior to Phillips signing was crazy!


And I can't figure it out for the life of me. Norv Turner has proven time and time again that he's an God-awful head coach.

[Califan007]

I understand what you're saying. T.O. doesn't always have the best choice of words to express himself. :laugh: You might even say this is an understatement. As a competitor, you know T.O. wanted to win the game. You know he wanted to advance. I think in his own strange way he was simply trying to state that everything happens for a reason and he likes the changes. While Bill commands respect and instills discipline, he's also stubborn, does not take risks and is set in his ways.
Probably, but I'm not willing to give T.O. the benefit of the doubt when he speaks his mind lol...I'm more likely to believe that he let something he truly thinks and feels slip out without realizing it.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I will say that I've had moments with Bubba where we can sit back and laugh at things and realize that were both passionate about our teams. Tr1 on the other hand is like a nasty computer virus without any people skills whatsoever. That guy isn't human. The skins could go 0-16 and he'd be in full force raring to go with another green highlited article in the chamber.



Come on man, tr1 is great! Tell you wouldn't like to talk to him in person and see what makes him tick :laugh:

[THEHEREAFTER]

actually that is a total fabrication, reality is that if you constantly call out a poke fans homer filled unrealistic BS, they bran you just a hater... rather than admit they are the homers :laugh:

the truth for ONE of those ATN members is that certain arrogant, blatant Poke homers try to constantly make everyone believe the pokes are the greatest team ever, and make huge unrealistic claims, This One ATN member enjoys bringing them back to reality, and calling out their stupidity, and taking a little starch out of their arrogant collars now and again :laugh:

:

:laugh: :laugh: You don't give an inch Bubba. I gotta respect that. The only thing that will humble you is November 18th. All I can do is wait.

[Califan007]

Come on man, tr1 is great! Tell you wouldn't like to talk to him in person and see what makes him tick :laugh:
Bubba and tr1 are both great posters in this forum... :applause:

[MrSilverMaC]

You beat me to it lol :laugh:...


I was a little disappointed that I had to be the one to do it. I figured it would have been quoted three times before I got to the end of the thread. But the quote is pure gold, and so I had to highlight it. :)

[THEHEREAFTER]

Come on man, tr1 is great! Tell you wouldn't like to talk to him in person and see what makes him tick :laugh:

Well I try to find out what makes him tick here at extremeskins but he's afraid to show that he's human or has a personality. He chooses to hide behind the articles, the green highlighting, the laughing smilie emoticons and ripping apart the NFCE. That's it. It's like I get it tr1. I get the point but are you human? I'd settle for having just one decent convo with him online. I don't trust myself in person with him. He's an expert taunter and I'd probably end up strangling the guy. Sad but true.

[THEHEREAFTER]

And ohh yeah. Mr Tr1 don't let all this talking you up get into that demented mind of yours. I'm only doing it to make you change in a phone booth into MR. ATN and provide us with all with more nonsense.

[DeMarco Murray 29]

Bubba and tr1 are both great posters in this forum... :applause:

Hell yeah to that, they keep us coming back :cheers:

[bubba9497]

Hell yeah to that, they keep us coming back :cheers:


well damn then

I better stop posting :rotflmao:

[bubba9497]

Quoted because it's hilariously true.


no no no, haven't you read Roy Boy, say that they were never his fault, either it wasn't his man... or it was Bill who put him in coverages that made him fail

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[ArmchairRedskin]

well damn then

I better stop posting :rotflmao:



:laugh:

[MrSilverMaC]

no no no, haven't you read Roy Boy, say that they were never his fault, either it wasn't his man... or it was Bill who put him in coverages that made him fail

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



Well, we all know that roy williams is a god among football players. How we could ever hope to acquire a player of his magnitude when we have measly indians on the side of our helmet while they have a mighty star on theirs is beyond me. If only we had a running back of jones' caliber & a coach that wouldn't make him run like a robot we would be the bestest ever. The author of the article in question is clearly a blasphemous buffoon and is clearly part of some sinister anti-jerrah Illuminati-like cult with mr. gallloway or the same publication. We can only hope that owens does not like this coach as well, or he may desire to win a playoff game to keep him around.

[Califan007]

We can only hope that owens does not like this coach as well, or he may desire to win a playoff game to keep him around.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[tr1]

[QUOTE=bubba9497]
See this Bubba is why I call you the worlds greatest HOMER and why I consider you an absolute joke. You don't have a shred of credibility and this is a serious reach.

And this is why we don't need you here.

Take this crap someplace else.

You don't like the facts, and this is how you react.

[tr1]

Tr1 on the other hand is like a nasty computer virus without any people skills whatsoever. That guy isn't human.

I love you THA...and I mean that with every drop of the hydrolic fluid pumping through my rubber hoses...

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[tr1]

But, serioiusly, bubba is the man.

I'm amazed at his patience to counter all of the ill formed posts by puke fans with precise and incredibly deflating facts that make the original poster look foolish. I wish I had a fraction of his patience and skill...

And there are about a half dozen of ATN Skins fans who post regularly that I admire and respect as well...and am proud to be associated with in the same forum.

As for THA, hey, I do like you. You continue to come here, get pummelled unmercifully, and show up the next day. And you tend to show up after puke losses.

But, it's only a message board...and hate is a strong word.

Now, when you come around to admitting that Romo is currently an average qb, the JJ is a below average rb, that your offensive line is a serious question mark for the second year in a row, and that Spencer really did surprise you as the pukes' pick, well, then you and I will agree on some things.

:cheers:

[bubba9497]

He may have put up better #'s as well had he played the entire season? Works both ways. How bout we go with the 10 game sample and REALITY!!??


:laugh:... see you DON'T KNOW what he would have done, when half of his games he played well against crappy defenses, then half bad against average defenses...

to be realisitic is you have to compare him evenly over a full 16 games season

thanks for proving my point :thumbsup:


Reality is, Romo had almost as many games rated under 75% as he did over 100%

Reality is even with his 5td 0 int game against Tampa, he STILL had a worse int to TD ratio than Campbell

Reality is needing just ONE more win to clinch the NFC East the Pokes lost three home games in a row, with him leading them,

NO 42-17, Philly 23-7 (with their backup QB starting), and Detroit (the second worse team in the NFL) 39-31

and then lost in the playoffs... to a team with 2 street free agent DB's signed the week before





Exactly. He got benched and didn't finish the season which is why I remove him and McNabb.


but you kept Romo?, he wasn't good enough to start the season ... exactly what is the difference whether the games where in the beginning or end of the season missed?


none.... but keep spinning... it's funny watching you try and rationalize why Romo should be immune to being judged by the same standards of others





Romo is also a first year starter yet you digging up the rankings of the defenses he faced. Everything in the NFL was a new experience.

Again, doesn't seem to matter to you when comparing him to Campbell, does it?.... and after a few games when the league got info on Romo, his stats took a nose dive....hmmmmm wonder why? :rolleyes:





Romo was FIRST YEAR STARTER. He led his team to the playoffs and his OVERALL ranking was 95.1. Why are you cherry picking to discredit him? Ohh yeah, you're a skins fan.


Geez you can post this drivel and dare accuse anyone else of being a homer??!!! :doh:

and you wonder why you were labeled Resident Clown :laugh:

who is cherry picking anything, did I ignore any thing,? No,

You realize that Romo's drop in performance is a huge question to anyone which a a little football knowledge that isn't a poke homer?.... right?




See this Bubba is why I call you the worlds greatest HOMER and why I consider you an absolute joke. You don't have a shred of credibility and this is a serious reach. I dare you to go and pull the "almost picked" passes of the top 10 QB's last year? It happens to every QB including Peyton Manning. I remember vividly the Giants dropping three sure Int's on opening night but who cares. Could it be out of sheer hatred you put Romo under a microscope and Cherry pick to prove that he's a fluke? I wonder?


:rolleyes: Seriously, your arrogance is a bit over the top even for you

basically, anyone who doesn't agree with you, YOU consider a joke :jerk:

you are so knowledgeable, and provide SOOOO much to a discussion :rolleyes:

the one pass I was referring to was an obvious INT, but the Saints defender was wearing a cast causing the ball to slip from his grasp to TO, even the announcers pointed out that the cast prevented a sure int. I mean Romo had several passes that should have been int, dropped or missed.. that I never mentioned...... and while you want to shrug off that "one missed int" that does show his poor decision making. The Reality is, in only 10 games that one pass can make a huge difference in ones stats... but over a season or two... when the everything is balanced out those "luck" passes, will be balanced by "unluck" passes (which we all know you will bring up to defnd his poor play)... and will tell the real truth of his ability


and isn't funny how when you are confronted with real facts, and common sense... you always fall back to the name calling, and acting superior... never ever do you provide ANYTHING of substance to dispute the points made... well nothing logical :laugh:

[THEHEREAFTER]

But, serioiusly, bubba is the man.

I can't help but to continue to reference the relationship between Michael and Dwight from "The Office." Your relationship with Bubba is eerily simular and quite funny.


I'm amazed at his patience to counter all of the ill formed posts by puke fans with precise and incredibly deflating facts that make the original poster look foolish. I wish I had a fraction of his patience and skill...

Yes, Bubba is smarter than you but please get off the mans sac. It's not a good look for you.




As for THA, hey, I do like you. You continue to come here, get pummelled unmercifully, and show up the next day. And you tend to show up after puke losses.

I don't get pummeled. :laugh: Bubba puts up a good fight and loves to cherry pick and skew stats but his record is like 1 and 500. Your hero gets destroyed on the regular. This is the same person that insists Jason Campbell had a stronger year last year than Tony Romo. IrishOrange amongst others eat Bubba for lunch on the regular. It's quite entertaining.




Now, when you come around to admitting that Romo is currently an average qb

Can't do it. His leadership, starting record, accuracy, QB rating, intagibles, "moxy," mobility and Pro Bowl appearance won't allow me to call him average.



, the JJ is a below average rb,

Can't do this either. Not after watching him explode on to the scene his rookie year and almost post a 1,000 yards in 7 starts as the featured back before BP started overcoaching him. Not after posting 1,000 yards splitting half the carries last year and going for 100 in the playoffs last year.



that your offensive line is a serious question mark for the second year in a row,

I can't say that I'm worried about the O-line either. Not after the depth we acquired via the draft. Not after returning a Pro-Bowl young center and Flo coming off a rebound year.




and that Spencer really did surprise you as the pukes' pick, well, then you and I will agree on some things.

After seeing his and Jarvis Moss' names flying all around cowboyszone for weeks and with a GLARING need for another pass rusher AND with Wade Phillips as our new head coach, can't say that I was terribly surprised here. I'm quite happy with Spencer.

[tr1]

I can't help but to continue to reference the relationship between Michael and Dwight from "The Office." Your relationship with Bubba is eerily simular and quite funny.



Yes, Bubba is smarter than you but please get off the mans sac. It's not a good look for you.





I don't get pummeled. :laugh: Bubba puts up a good fight and loves to cherry pick and skew stats but his record is like 1 and 500. Your hero gets destroyed on the regular. This is the same person that insists Jason Campbell had a stronger year last year than Tony Romo. IrishOrange amongst others eat Bubba for lunch on the regular. It's quite entertaining.





Can't do it. His leadership, starting record, accuracy, QB rating, intagibles, "moxy," mobility and Pro Bowl appearance won't allow me to call him average.




Can't do this either. Not after watching him explode on to the scene his rookie year and almost post a 1,000 yards in 7 starts as the featured back before BP started overcoaching him. Not after posting 1,000 yards splitting half the carries last year and going for 100 in the playoffs last year.




I can't say that I'm worried about the O-line either. Not after the depth we acquired via the draft. Not after returning a Pro-Bowl young center and Flo coming off a rebound year.





After seeing his and Jarvis Moss' names flying all around cowboyszone for weeks and with a GLARING need for another pass rusher AND with Wade Phillips as our new head coach, can't say that I was terribly surprised here. I'm quite happy with Spencer.



Seriously, THA, if this bothers you so much, why do you participate? When I see a little objectivity from you, then you can expect some from me. Right now, we have a serious difference of opinion, though, I'd say my opinion of the pukes right now is more in line with a majority of puke fans.

Loads of question marks for the pukes this year.

[bubba9497]

I don't get pummeled. Bubba puts up a good fight and loves to cherry pick and skew stats but his record is like 1 and 500. Your hero gets destroyed on the regular.


:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:




are you Westy's twin brother?

take your medication, you'll feel better in a little while




This is the same person that insists Jason Campbell had a stronger year last year than Tony Romo. IrishOrange amongst others eat Bubba for lunch on the regular. It's quite entertaining.

you live in a fantasy world :(

I am waiting for you to provide one quote where I insisted this, just ONE

In pointing out they both had similar numbers in a same time frame, that Campbell had a better TD to Int ratio, and better stats in three of four common opponents... in defense of when poke homers claim, Romo is superior or played om a whole other level than Campbell .... never once said, implied or INSISTED Campbell had a stronger year, better year, or a better future in any way form or fashion.

this is second time this week you have made completely bogus claims about me, and it will be the last... provide me ONE quote, just one where I say for a fact that Campbell had a stronger year... or apologize

[DWinzit]

this is second time this week you have made completely bogus claims about me, and it will be the last... provide me ONE quote, just one where I say for a fact that Campbell had a stronger year... or apologizeI'm pretty certain it was Parcells fault bubba!;)

[bubba9497]

I'm pretty certain it was Parcells fault bubba!;)


:laugh: :laugh:

that Bastard, putting words in poke fans mouth

[Walking Deadman]

I'm pretty certain it was Parcells fault bubba!;)

Nah, it was a slick ball given to the cowboys by a ballboy behind the grassy knoll. An NFL conspiracy to keep the Cowboys down.

And that ballboy was none other than Mike Vanderjact.

Now you know (cue the X-Files music)........... :silly:

[THEHEREAFTER]

[QUOTE]:laugh:... see you DON'T KNOW what he would have done, when half of his games he played well against crappy defenses, then half bad against average defenses...

Why do you keep bringing up the defenses that he played including your teams pathetic defense. He played his schudule and he's an UDFA first year starter. You still don't get it. Nobody outside of Cowboys nation expected him to do anything and now you're reaching with the rankings of the defenses he faced. Get a clue.


to be realisitic is you have to compare him evenly over a full 16 games season

This would be nice but it didn't happen. The league players, coaches and fans still considered him to be pro-bowl worthy so 10 games was enough to consider his season a solid one. I'm just going off what happened and you keep making yourself look foolish finding ways to EXPLAIN and RATIONALIZE to yourself why Romo just cannot be a good QB.





Reality is, Romo had almost as many games rated under 75% as he did over 100%

Reality is Tony Romo finished with a 95.1 rating. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp. If he had more bad games than good his rating would show. The rating is designed to show how well you're playing the QB position. It's the best measure we had yet you spend everyday here attempting to explain why the QB rating system is flawed only for Tony Romo. Reality is Tony Romo had 6, count'em 6 games over a 100 rating as a starter. That's pretty damn good even for a 16 game season. As a STARTER, Romo only had 3 games under a 75 rating one of which was a gritty win @ NY, in which he really one the game in the end with a clutch pass. By my count, that's doubling the excellent verses the subpar not even counting the games where he was in the high 80's.


Reality is even with his 5td 0 int game against Tampa, he STILL had a worse int to TD ratio than Campbell

Reality is Romo had a much better game against the same team. Are you really feeding me that Campbell's 10td/6int, 53 completion percentage, 76 rating semi season was more impressive than Romo's?


Reality is needing just ONE more win to clinch the NFC East the Pokes lost three home games in a row, with him leading them,

Reality is you must then give him credit for leading the team during the wins also. Reality is our defense took a nosedive, becoming the worst in the league in ppg and passing D in that 4 game stretch you're referring to but I'm sure that had nothing to do with the slide. Romo only had two more 100+ rating games in two of our last 3.









but you kept Romo?, he wasn't good enough to start the season ... exactly what is the difference whether the games where in the beginning or end of the season missed?

The difference is Romo TOOK OVER , kept the job and FINISHED the season. He should have started it the season. Bill knew it. Everyone did. He outplayed Bledsoe the last two preaseaons. Losing the job outright to play or injury is a much different story.



. but keep spinning... it's funny watching you try and rationalize why Romo should be immune to being judged by the same standards of others


Romo went 6-4 as a starter, led his team to the playoffs, was third best in the league in passer rating and was voted to the Pro-Bowl as a first year starter yet you continue to attempt to explain why he's a terrible player. Yeah, I'm the one spinning!?? :rolleyes:





Again, doesn't seem to matter to you when comparing him to Campbell, does it?.... and after a few games when the league got info on Romo, his stats took a nose dive....hmmmmm wonder why? :rolleyes:

This is so lame. So with this theory, Romo will NEVER have a decent game again right? Because the league has film right? Romo finished with a 100+ rating in two of his last 3 games and an 89 rating in the playoffs. Get a clue.






and you wonder why you were labeled Resident Clown :laugh:

Who cares. :laugh:










and isn't funny how when you are confronted with real facts, and common sense... you always fall back to the name calling, and acting superior... never ever do you provide ANYTHING of substance to dispute the points made... well nothing logical :laugh:

I provide you with facts and common sense. You provide me with Romo had some passes that should have been picked. :laugh: As I've shown you every QB throws passes they wish they could have had back and sometimes get lucky, even the great ones. Stay in fantasy land Bubba! Yeah, Campbell had a better season! :rolleyes: :no: :thumbsup:

[THEHEREAFTER]

Seriously, THA, if this bothers you so much, why do you participate? When I see a little objectivity from you, then you can expect some from me. Right now, we have a serious difference of opinion, though, I'd say my opinion of the pukes right now is more in line with a majority of puke fans.

Loads of question marks for the pukes this year.

Objectivity? Are you serious? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Stop it! Just stop it! :laugh:

[bubba9497]

Can't do it. His leadership, starting record, accuracy, QB rating, intagibles, "moxy," mobility and Pro Bowl appearance won't allow me to call him average.

Can't do this either. Not after watching him explode on to the scene his rookie year and almost post a 1,000 yards in 7 starts as the featured back before BP started overcoaching him. Not after posting 1,000 yards splitting half the carries last year and going for 100 in the playoffs last year.


I can't say that I'm worried about the O-line either. Not after the depth we acquired via the draft. Not after returning a Pro-Bowl young center and Flo coming off a rebound year.

Romo

his leadership? what's his stat on that?

his starting record? he is 6-5

QB rating for which month?... overall? but he didn't play a full season.... next

intagibles? You mean like holding on place kicvks? or holding purses for His girlfriend? :laugh:

his Moxy??? :rotflmao:

Jones

Explode? Almost a thousand yards

he had 819 yards in 8 games played... (one game he had 198 yards against Seattle, BTW Trung Canidate had 2 two hundred yard games before you try and spin that means something)

Parcells overcoached him :laugh:

ummm yeah, did Parcells program his or control him by remote? seriously he had the ball in his hands, and making his decisions, and no matter what you try to say, RB run to prevent being tackled, trying to forward.. that is just human instinct.. if a coach could control a players thinking on the field, there wouldn't be so many athletes with potential that fail

Betts had 22 fewer carries had had 70 more yards in half the starts last season... Jones had 267 carries... if a RB gets over 300 it is considered a heavy work load :laugh:

Brain Westbrook, and Fred Taylor had fewer carries and more yards as well, Joseph Addai has 3 fewer yards in 41 fewer attempts, 16 rb had a YPC last season

your OL? that boggles the mind :doh:


and you call me & tr1 homers :rolleyes:

[bubba9497]

THE I'm still waiting for you to provide me one quote where I said what you accused me of saying

or an apology

if I am such the homer you keep saying, shouldn't be hard to find....

put up or :shutup:

[Califan007]

Objectivity? Are you serious? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Stop it! Just stop it! :laugh:
So you're admitting you're NOT objective? Well, that's a first step anyway. :applause:

[bubba9497]

So you're admitting you're NOT objective? Well, that's a first step anyway. :applause:


the sad part is he won't understand the joke is on him :laugh:

nothing like THE being objective when providing proof to back his Romo claims, with such open and shut evidence as.. leadership, the teams win/loss record (6-5 while he was QB), the popularity contest Pro Bowl, the intangibles stat, and of course the clincher of all clinchers......

Romo's


MOXIE!!!!!

:laugh: