Springs reporting on the 4th of June

[mcees4life]

this according to JLC on WPL. He should be in tip-top shape and ready for minicamp on the 15th. I wondering if he's returning on the 4th to accept the invitation to my wife's b-day party..............hmmmmmm

[skinfan2k]

I heard JLC comment that if brunell cant compete before minicamps start, that his contract is voided adn the skins suffer no penalty?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

june 1st cuts are right around the corner. hellllloo shawn springs!

and thats good news about brunell if hes in no shape to compete. that gives bramlet/palmer/collins a chance to compete for the backup, most likely collins though, even if bramlet has been a stud in eurpoe.

[skinfan2k]

springs is not getting cut. we can afford his salary

[CGSKINS]

Why would we cut Shawn Springs? He is our best corner. makes no sense.

[Snagletooth]

Good news! Especailly the Brunell stuff. Go bye bye Marky.... Sorry, can't help my self I don't ever want to watch a Skins game again with Brunell under center. I'll stomach it if I have to. Just pray I don't have to.

[CPstretch]

i'd rather have brunell as the backup than collins or palmer. keep him around for this year and then let him retire

[terpfan]

Yeah cutting Shawn is not a good idea at all. We spent rather frugally this offseason, I'm sure we can afford him. You dont just cut your #1 cornerback.

I'm looking forward to see him at Redskins Park on the 4th. We need him to have a good season.

[thelarkascend1ng]

Yeah cutting Shawn is not a good idea at all. We spent rather frugally this offseason, I'm sure we can afford him. You dont just cut your #1 cornerback.

I'm looking forward to see him at Redskins Park on the 4th. We need him to have a good season.

and an injury-free one, no doubt.


... knock on wood.

[Jay Master Jay]

Gibbs will hold a spot for Brunell we are only as good as our back up QB.

[glikster04]

Gibbs will hold a spot for Brunell we are only as good as our back up QB.

way to take all the hope away man...

[redskin81]

Brunell makes a good back up QB. Get over it people we need someone that we can rely on in case JC goes down.

[laurent]

We could save more money cutting Springs next year using that new exception. Makes absolutely no sense to cut him now. We've signed all of our free agent targets and we've got enough cash for the rookie pool.

[luvsmesumme]

Gibbs will hold a spot for Brunell we are only as good as our back up QB.

so does that mean another 5-11 season??????

[terpfan]

Well, relative to other backups in the league, Brunell isnt half bad. QBs are at a premium in the NFL.

[bulldog]

Springs is a one year rental player for the Redskins, a veteran bridge for the hopeful transition of Carlos Rogers into solid starting corner (after a disastrous 2006 season) and the return to form of Fred Smoot.

I think the Redskins goal for 2008 is for Rogers and Smoot to play alongside Taylor and Landry.

That group is probably a bit young in 2007 as a group and therefore the retention of Springs as the on-field leader is a smart move.

The Redskins may have offered Springs in offseason deals before the draft, but I think he is capable of producing a 2004-like season in 2007 with a contract on the line at age 32.

Since we can afford his salary under the cap there is no real motivation for the team to dump him unless a particularly favorable trade comes along.

[onnie007]

Great news. I just hope he comes back and we are done with the whole "Springs is going to be a June 1st cut." June 4th....hmmmm....Shawn may have played this one right no matter what happens after June 1st for himself. Either he comes back to us and we get back to business or we cut him and he's in great shape physically for any team that wants his services. Selfish but I understand what he's doing for himself, his family, and especially father and those medical expenses he has (about 500K last I heard; btw, NFL pension plans are awful and I hope the get something done there because not all players have sons that will go make millions to take care of them).

If JG keeps to his word, Springs will be in B&G this season.:cheers:

[[[ghost]]]

i'd rather have brunell as the backup than collins or palmer. keep him around for this year and then let him retire

Seriously. It seem the "It," thing to want on this board now is for Brunells' head. People fail to realize he played a huge role in our 2005 season.

[bulldog]

Springs at 32 is not going to yield the Redskins the same kind of value the team would get by having him on the field in 2007.

That's just a plain fact and one the team has learned in the offseason.

[leesburgvaskinsfan]

Fellas,

We need Springs as our defensive secondary best player and Brunell as the veteran backup and team leader to be healthy.

I'm hoping SS is 100% healthy when he returns. Our secondary is so much better when he is back there calling the shots. None of this talk of cutting him please....we need him this year to kick start our defense and help our young guys along until they're game ready.

Granted, I'd hate to see JC go down but we need Brunell there as a stop gap, if needed, until our third QB can be game ready. If you remember, when he is healthy, has gas in the tank and is well rested, he can play. He's had some big games for us! We can't forget that....



My :2cents:

Hail!

[bulldog]

the ideal scenario is a productive Campbell starting, a healthy Brunell as the backup, and a promising 6'6 and 230 prospect in Jordan Palmer learning the system as the #3.

that is what you call a healthy quarterback situation.

the idea of having the 35 year old Collins back in the #3 slot making over $1 million to run the scout team is a joke.

if he wants to stay near the game and be involved, GREAT I am all for it.

Let's put a coach's knit shirt and cap on him and have him join Al Saunders upstairs in the booth :D

[thesubmittedone]

]']Seriously. It seem the "It," thing to want on this board now is for Brunells' head. People fail to realize he played a huge role in our 2005 season.



^^Ohhh NO... Brunell sucks.


It's just that simple you see. So many have said it, it must be true! He's done nothing for us. The ball threw itself to Moss who had his best year in 2005. And Clinton took us to the Playoffs along with the D. He was just there. He sucks. Oh, and he did absolutely nothing for us in 2006 either, even though our whole team pretty much stank up the place in general. Nope... it's just he sucks.

[bulldog]

you are wrong. he played very well in a number of contests in 2005 that helped the tema to the postseason. was he worth building a team around at age 33 in 2004? that is a decision we can perhaps go back over and criticize.

but 23 tds and 10 ints in 2005 and the performances of Moss and Cooley indicate that Brunell was effective in getting them the ball.

Brunell's downfall in 2005 in the postseason and in 2006 is simple: injuries.

At 35/36, Brunell is brittle and no longer capable of starting 16 games.

Last year his season was cut short by a torn labrum.

That is not an injury that ANY quarterback can come back and play with. It IS a reason to put his performance in the first Dallas game under a magnifying glass to see why he played so poorly.

Brunell as a healthy #2 quarterback I think is more than capable of coming in and winning 2-3 games off the bench if necessary and that is what your backup is supposed to do.

It would be nice to have a #2 quarterback as young as Campbell to go in and replace him if he goes down, but that is a luxury few teams have.

Look at the Cowboys signing of Brad Johnson at 38 and the Titans resigning Collins at 34.

Their young quarterbacks are being backed up by long in the tooth vets.

[onnie007]

.....promising 6'6 and 230 prospect in Jordan Palmer learning the system as the #3.



Don't forget about the promising 6'4 and 214 prospect in Sam Hollenbach. :cheers:

[Ant15fromNJ]

Its going to be good when Springs reports to camp.

[Santana_Fan]

Brunell isnt as bad as people are making him out to be.

[StepyagameuP]

this according to JLC on WPL. He should be in tip-top shape and ready for minicamp on the 15th. I wondering if he's returning on the 4th to accept the invitation to my wife's b-day party..............hmmmmmm

Thats good news for sure! Me personally, I'm stuck worrying about our D-Line, especially the amount of DE pressure we can apply and how average DT play can soften up our LB core.

Ohhh...and no injuries of course! :logo:

[Siven]

Yeah cutting Shawn is not a good idea at all. We spent rather frugally this offseason, I'm sure we can afford him. You dont just cut your #1 cornerback.

I'm looking forward to see him at Redskins Park on the 4th. We need him to have a good season.

5 year 25 million contract for a couple guys is frugally? I guess, opposed to our track record it is.

[Siven]

Don't forget about the promising 6'4 and 214 prospect in Sam Hollenbach. :cheers:


i'm a huge terp fan, but Hollenbach was awful at Maryland. I cringed every time he dropped back.

[praise_gibbs]

so does that mean another 5-11 season??????


Or 10-6 and a playoff win??????

[Dan T.]

Remember we're not talking about Starter Mark Brunell. We're talking about Smart, Experienced Backup Mark Brunell. Two different beasts. Brunell lost effectiveness when nagging injuries wore him down as a starter. As a backup, he'll have the luxury of being healthy if and when he's called upon to get behind center.

So I have no problem with Brunell on the team as the #2, mentoring Campbell and ready to play as a spot starter should Jason go down.

[Boy2Der]

hopefully he reports not only healthy but in shape

[Justsomeguy]

Casey Bramlet wouldn't be a bad idea at all as a #2 or #3. He looks reasonable riow, and Palmer needs to go to NFL europe get a little taste there so we can check him out there or even just build him up some to make a good trade or such. Springs is old but fairly dependable with good hands and pre-existing chemistry with Smoot, which will be an immediate benefactor in our favor.
But then again I'm justsomeguy.

[onnie007]

i'm a huge terp fan, but Hollenbach was awful at Maryland. I cringed every time he dropped back.

I played with him at Maryland and I cringed watching him in practice. :laugh: He would get progressively worse as my WRs coach yelled at him until Fridge was like "Sam, get the hell out of here." He was mentally soft back then. But he's come along way and apparently he has improved his mechanics. At least enough to impress Al Saunders so we'll see. Go Terps!

[Lead Blocker]

Why can't we all just get along?

[Koolblue13]

Bulldog, everything you said is dead on!

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

isnt it a little odd that springs is due back AFTER the june 1st cuts? i mean why would he wait until the 4th? just seems a little fishy to me. point blank - we asked him to take a pay cut, indicating we dont wanna pay his salary, we tried to ship him off numerous times this off season, and now hes the only player not at OTAs and hes supposedly arriving after the june 1st cut time. doesnt that all add up to him being gone? i mean seriously, if hes here, thats a whole lot of coincidental stuff.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

isnt it a little odd that springs is due back AFTER the june 1st cuts? i mean why would he wait until the 4th? just seems a little fishy to me. point blank - we asked him to take a pay cut, indicating we dont wanna pay his salary, we tried to ship him off numerous times this off season, and now hes the only player not at OTAs and hes supposedly arriving after the june 1st cut time. doesnt that all add up to him being gone? i mean seriously, if hes here, thats a whole lot of coincidental stuff.


The report is that he shows up on June 4th, and somehow you twist that into him getting cut? C'mon dude.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

The report is that he shows up on June 4th, and somehow you twist that into him getting cut? C'mon dude.



um, how did i twist it? hes supposedly showing up on monday after the weekend cut date. we blatantly dont want to pay his salary of 7 million dollars. we tried to ship him off a few times in the past few months. hes the only one that hasnt reported to OTAs yet. are you serious that this doesnt strike you as a little fishy? ill be shocked if he shows up.

[Koolblue13]

We don't completely need him anymore. His possition has been adressed and we even have some depth. I like SS and think he is an elite player when healthy, if we are lucky. Wish we could have traded him for Schobel or Kampman, if we did cut him. I certainly don't want to play against him.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

um, how did i twist it? hes supposedly showing up on monday after the weekend cut date. we blatantly dont want to pay his salary of 7 million dollars. we tried to ship him off a few times in the past few months. hes the only one that hasnt reported to OTAs yet. are you serious that this doesnt strike you as a little fishy? ill be shocked if he shows up.


He's SHOWING UP AFTER the cut date. And somehow you are reading that to say he is getting cut.

I suppose its possible anything could happen. But you can't look at a report that says he IS SHOWING UP and read that to say that he's getting cut.

[Koolblue13]

If we are truely going to cut him, I would rather see us trade him for another guy who is going to get cut June 1rst. Simeon Rice or Jenkins

[Grimm]

i'd rather have brunell as the backup than collins or palmer. keep him around for this year and then let him retire

I agree, I really don't Collins to be the number 2, he's worse than Brunell

[SkinsManNJ]

I heard JLC comment that if brunell cant compete before minicamps start, that his contract is voided adn the skins suffer no penalty?

If Brunell gets cut I just might have a party. Don't get me wrong I respected him and rooted for him to do good, but he has happy feet and alzheimers when it comes to getting rid of the ball. He seemed to nervous to me. Let him go back to Jacksonville and become the QB's coach. Lol

june 1st cuts are right around the corner. hellllloo shawn springs!

and thats good news about brunell if hes in no shape to compete. that gives bramlet/palmer/collins a chance to compete for the backup, most likely collins though, even if bramlet has been a stud in eurpoe.

If Brunell is cut I hope Collins don't get cut because he knows the Saunders system we can keep him at #3 and prep him to retire and become Saunders assistant and learn more from him so that when Saunders leaves Collins will be ready to step in as OC.
:cheers:

[Tulane Skins Fan]

How did this turn into a Brunell v. Collins for the backup job Thread?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

How did this turn into a Brunell v. Collins for the backup job Thread?


because brunells position was discussed in the JLC article as well.

and maybe i need clarification on the june 1st cuts. i was under the impression that players can be cut AFTER june 1st for cap purposes. or is june 1st the deadline for a player to be cut? please explain.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

because brunells position was discussed in the JLC article as well.

and maybe i need clarification on the june 1st cuts. i was under the impression that players can be cut AFTER june 1st for cap purposes. or is june 1st the deadline for a player to be cut? please explain.

Well, the title of the thread is "Springs reporting on the 4th of June" and says nothing about Brunell

well, the way i understand it, is that of course they can be cut after June 1 for cap purposes. I just dont see how you are reading into it that a guy would come to practice to get cut.

The article says that Springs is showing up on June 5th (not 4th, actually). Why do you take that as meaning that he is getting cut then? If he's getting cut, he wouldnt come back to Redskins Park ever again.

[cphil006]

I understand he didn't want to come in until he was fully healed. He has been rehabing with specialists and that is what he should have done.

He will be fine.

[Schoolmaster]

so does that mean another 5-11 season??????
NO........................

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Well, the title of the thread is "Springs reporting on the 4th of June" and says nothing about Brunell

well, the way i understand it, is that of course they can be cut after June 1 for cap purposes. I just dont see how you are reading into it that a guy would come to practice to get cut.

The article says that Springs is showing up on June 5th (not 4th, actually). Why do you take that as meaning that he is getting cut then? If he's getting cut, he wouldnt come back to Redskins Park ever again.



because i honestly dont think he is coming back to redskins park despite what the article says. hes not gonna come out and admit now that hes gonna get cut, and gibbs or any FO member wont say that either. im just reading between the lines here, i cant believe this is that hard to grasp. we asked him to take a paycut, he said no. we blatantly do not want to pay an injury plauged 32 year old 7 million dollars. we have tried to ship him out numerous times since the off season began. and now hes supposedly going to show up on june 4th, after the cut deadline kicks in. this seems fishy, if you dont think so please explain why. its also not a coincidence that the player we tried to get rid of the most this offseason happens to be the one guy who hasnt shown up yet. i personally think hes as good as gone.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

because i honestly dont think he is coming back to redskins park despite what the article says. hes not gonna come out and admit now that hes gonna get cut, and gibbs or any FO member wont say that either. im just reading between the lines here, i cant believe this is that hard to grasp. we asked him to take a paycut, he said no. we blatantly do not want to pay an injury plauged 32 year old 7 million dollars. we have tried to ship him out numerous times since the off season began. and now hes supposedly going to show up on june 4th, after the cut deadline kicks in. this seems fishy, if you dont think so please explain why. its also not a coincidence that the player we tried to get rid of the most this offseason happens to be the one guy who hasnt shown up yet. i personally think hes as good as gone.

completely agree. every single thing that has happened this off-season regarding Shawn Springs has spelled one thing to me: GONE.

i don't want this to happen, but i expect it to.

[#98QBKiller]

this according to JLC on WPL. He should be in tip-top shape and ready for minicamp on the 15th. I wondering if he's returning on the 4th to accept the invitation to my wife's b-day party..............hmmmmmm


Sweet! June 4th is my birthday too, maybe it's a present from my girlfriend?!?

[Tulane Skins Fan]

because i honestly dont think he is coming back to redskins park despite what the article says. hes not gonna come out and admit now that hes gonna get cut, and gibbs or any FO member wont say that either. im just reading between the lines here, i cant believe this is that hard to grasp. we asked him to take a paycut, he said no. we blatantly do not want to pay an injury plauged 32 year old 7 million dollars. we have tried to ship him out numerous times since the off season began. and now hes supposedly going to show up on june 4th, after the cut deadline kicks in. this seems fishy, if you dont think so please explain why. its also not a coincidence that the player we tried to get rid of the most this offseason happens to be the one guy who hasnt shown up yet. i personally think hes as good as gone.

ok, so it sounds to me like your opinion is not based on anything in the report. That's fine, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

I just think that this article, which states that Springs IS GOING TO REPORT in about 2 weeks, cannot be read to enhance that opinion. You might have other reasons for that opinion, but an article saying he's coming to camp cannot be one of them.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

ok, so it sounds to me like your opinion is not based on anything in the report. That's fine, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

I just think that this article, which states that Springs IS GOING TO REPORT in about 2 weeks, cannot be read to enhance that opinion. You might have other reasons for that opinion, but an article saying he's coming to camp cannot be one of them.


you would be correct, but the date is what is swaying my opinion. if it was before the cut date, i wouldnt be as weary as i am. the fact that hes the last one to report and hes supposedly reporting after the cut date seems fishy. i guess you disagree, and thats fine.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

completely agree. every single thing that has happened this off-season regarding Shawn Springs has spelled one thing to me: GONE.

i don't want this to happen, but i expect it to.


im glad you agree, theres no reason for him to have not shown up yet. i personally think the only reason he said a date for his arrival was to get people off his and gibbs back about whether or not he was returning. now they have 2 weeks without "OMG where is shawn springs?" or "springs is x y and z" because of this statement. without a statement, everything is still up in the air, this comment quells any potential questions.

[bulldog]

since Springs currently fits under the Redskins 2007 cap number, the only reason I can see for jettisoning Springs after June 1 is to save money so that we can add another premiere player.

do you see one out there? do you anticipate that one will become available after June 1 for us to sign? :)

Springs is an asset. 32 years old is not too old to play cornerback in the NFL. It is not too old to be a pro bowl corner in the NFL.

The Redskins may have no interest in retaining Springs after this season on an extended contract, but the goal here is to maximize value for 2007 ;)

And right now releasing Springs to save money in order to sign or trade for no one else of note doesn't seem to be a move to add value.

[Taylor 36]

Good news! Especailly the Brunell stuff. Go bye bye Marky.... Sorry, can't help my self I don't ever want to watch a Skins game again with Brunell under center. I'll stomach it if I have to. Just pray I don't have to.:doh: Brunell is the best back-up QB we have on our current roster. Plus, he is NO where near as bad as the haters on this board try to make him out to be. It is funny how so many people on here have wised up and realized that it was our defense last year that killed us, yet they haven't made the connection that it proves it was not Brunell.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

since Springs currently fits under the Redskins 2007 cap number, the only reason I can see for jettisoning Springs after June 1 is to save money so that we can add another premiere player.

do you see one out there? do you anticipate that one will become available after June 1 for us to sign? :)

Springs is an asset. 32 years old is not too old to play cornerback in the NFL. It is not too old to be a pro bowl corner in the NFL.

The Redskins may have no interest in retaining Springs after this season on an extended contract, but the goal here is to maximize value for 2007 ;)

And right now releasing Springs to save money in order to sign or trade for no one else of note doesn't seem to be a move to add value.



if they cut springs, couldnt that money be used to extend cooley and taylor? i think thats much more important than retaining a broken down corner.

[bulldog]

when was the last time we saw Todd Collins throw an NFL pass? :)

to my recollection it was before the Monica Lewinsky scandal in Clinton's second term :laugh:

is that what some of you really want behind Campbell?

I will make a wager now that if pressed into service, the Redskins don't win a game with Collins under center.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

:doh: Brunell is the best back-up QB we have on our current roster. Plus, he is NO where near as bad as the haters on this board try to make him out to be. It is funny how so many people on here have wised up and realized that it was our defense last year that killed us, yet they haven't made the connection that it proves it was not Brunell.


brunell was downright awful last year. the only reason he had a high QB rating was that he threw safe passes on every play for 3 yards. the receivers YAC were the reason his stats looked inflated. he couldnt stretch the field, and he was immobile. he might not be as bad as people make him out to be, but last year he was pretty terrible. he should have been pulled after the 1st giants game or the titans game.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

when was the last time we saw Todd Collins throw an NFL pass? :)

to my recollection it was before the Monica Lewinsky scandal in Clinton's second term :laugh:

is that what some of you really want behind Campbell?

I will make a wager now that if pressed into service, the Redskins don't win a game with Collins under center.


well at least his arm isn't weathered down to silly putty like brunell's.

he knows the offense and he's healthy. sounds good enough to me as the #2.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

i'd rather have brunell as the backup than collins or palmer. keep him around for this year and then let him retire

I totally agree with that.

[Koolblue13]

:doh: Brunell is the best back-up QB we have on our current roster. Plus, he is NO where near as bad as the haters on this board try to make him out to be. It is funny how so many people on here have wised up and realized that it was our defense last year that killed us, yet they haven't made the connection that it proves it was not Brunell.Don't go letting the offense off the hook just yet. If we could have put together a few more consecutive good long drives, we might not have had as many injuries on the other side of the ball. The offense stunk last year. No running game until the end of the year was a huge part of our ability to draft LL. No passing game also meant 8 in the box and no lead. Nothing on this team worked right last year until it was over and Gibbs retook the reighns.

Brunell was terrible last year. Flat out terrible. He is however a great back up for us to have. One year removed from a precious playoff win and he knows the system. He is also poised to have stepped aside and become a great source of help for young Jason. I'de like to see Collins in the booth and one of our young QB prospects take the #3, they will surely be #2 next year anyway.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

when was the last time we saw Todd Collins throw an NFL pass? :)

to my recollection it was before the Monica Lewinsky scandal in Clinton's second term :laugh:

is that what some of you really want behind Campbell?

I will make a wager now that if pressed into service, the Redskins don't win a game with Collins under center.



if brunell this year looks he did last year, he wont win a game for us if pressed into service. our runningbacks could win a game with brunell under center but relying on him would be a loss, unless our D is like top 5.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Many posters would rather the Skins lose than play Brunell ... include me in that category ... Brunell is an embarrassment. The Skins won in 2005 in spite of him .... not because of him. My 2cents. Its time to develope the young gunslingers lining up behind Campbell.



i wouldnt go THAT far, but id rather him never see the field again. he was awful in 04, had a decent run in 05 that fooled me, then reverted back to garbage at the end of 05 and all of 06. hes been a pretty big negative for us over the past 3 seasons. as a backup its whatever, but i have no faith in him at all in terms of a passing game. i have nightmares of screen passes.

[Koolblue13]

Many posters would rather the Skins lose than play Brunell ... include me in that category ... Brunell is an embarrassment. The Skins won in 2005 in spite of him .... not because of him. My 2cents. Its time to develope the young gunslingers lining up behind Campbell.What the hell is wrong with you? I'de rather see Heath Shular come back and Throw passes to Michael Westbrook while Dung Canidite runs the ball in a winning game rather then lose with anybody. He is an embarasment, yes, I give you that, but not worse then losing. We are developing our young guys. Practice squad, NFL europe or whatever. If the young guys were ready to play with the team against other NFL teams, they would get the back up jobs, but until then, Brunell and Collins are better then bad.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

The best part is the argument that Brunell can come in and "win 3 or 4 games if we need him to." As if Brunell will come in and win games all of a sudden.

I suppose of JC was out for the entire year and Brunell started like 15 games he could win 3 or 4 of them... that is pretty much his track record here. (Except one year where Portis ran like a wild man).

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

brunell is done. this will hopefully be his last year.

[clathel]

Cut MB and re-sign for less is a good way to go about it.
Heck cut Collins too....Bramlet knows the offense and has done well in NFLE.
Palmer and the MD guy can compete for 4th string and ARE can be 3rd string in gametime situations. That would free up a roster spot for an OL or DL backup.

[AceSkinsFan]

I know this is a "what have you done for me lately" league, but how soon we forget that Mark Brunelle led us to the playoffs not too very long ago. There were many other players who played just as big of a role, but you can't deny that if Brunelle did not play well we would not have made it to the playoffs. He may be past his prime, but let's cut the guy some slack. He certainly wasn't the one who made the decision to keep him on the field when he was struggling either. His starting days may be over, but he's still a vet with a heck of a lot better resume than Todd Collins.

[Bat~man]

I know this is a "what have you done for me lately" league, but how soon we forget that Mark Brunelle led us to the playoffs not too very long ago. There were many other players who played just as big of a role, but you can't deny that if Brunelle did not play well we would not have made it to the playoffs. He may be past his prime, but let's cut the guy some slack. He certainly wasn't the one who made the decision to keep him on the field when he was struggling either. His starting days may be over, but he's still a vet with a heck of a lot better resume than Todd Collins.

who is brunelle ~ ! ~ ... j/k i kinda agree to a point , we were , what 5-6 at one time that year , and we made a run ... altho i would argue that it was more portis and our running game doing the work and i wouldnt say brunell played Well . i would say that he didnt play Bad .... but then he went totally flat in the playoffs so yea ...

[dfos81]

For as bad as Brunell played he still ended up w/ a better rating than Campbell. I still would rather suffer a lil now w/ young talent than see us suffer w/ old talent. At least the young talent has a chance to get better, were as Brunell has passed his prime and doesn't seem to have the same abilities. GO CAMPBELL HTTR!