Is this guy excessive or right to expect the Skins to

[bubba9497]

punish Portis & Samuels?





http://www.dailynews-record.com/opinion_details.php?LID=4212





Dog Fight Charges Are Serious

I am not a member or supporter of PETA or any other wacko animal rights groups; however, I am deeply disturbed by the allegations of dog fighting surrounding Michael Vick and am offended by the remarks of Clinton Portis and his backing by Chris Samuels.

I regard persons who engage in or support dog fighting in any form only a step above child molesters and a very small step at that. Though a lifelong Washington Redskins fan, I will not be watching Redskin games until management has imposed significant punishment on Portis and Samuels.

I also call upon the NFL to impose significant punishment on Michael Vick, if it appears he has been involved in the dog fighting arena and it certainly appears that he has.

Robert G. Dinsmore
Harrisonburg

[DirtySkin21]

nooooo, it's called "freedom of speech" and who cares anymore, i do hope portis learns to think before he speaks. just for his owns sake

[Califan007]

PUNISH them?...That's asinine. :doh:

"I don't like the way you think...you need to be punished!"

[bubba9497]

PUNISH them?...That's asinine. :doh:

"I don't like the way you think...you need to be punished!"


I agree, I just thought some would get a hoot out of it

[Kirk Cousins' Cousins]

PUNISH them?...That's asinine. :doh:

"I don't like the way you think...you need to be punished!"

asinine..good word! :)

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

Who pissed in this guys cornflakes? :laugh:

[S.T.21 will eat you alive]

I hope the skins never punish them for the honest mistake, at least one whineyass fan won't watch the game. Once again the man made an honest mistake, apologized in public, the other man just laughed now lets give them capital pushinment so one dumbass can watch the game. screw that

[casey56]

Ok, we've established that dog fighting is wrong. I'd venture to say that 99.9% of the people in this country think it's wrong. But Portis shouldn't be punished for saying something stupid and he has apologized several times. What more does this guy want? Just drop it already. Vick will get what's coming to him. Portis was just ignorant and Samuels was laughing because he was in shock that CP would say that.

Also he calls animal rights groups "wacko" but he is prepared to never watch a Skins game until CP and Samuels are punished. Who is the real wacko?

[InsaneBoost]

Wow, people need to grow up, if he's going to be such a little girl about it, then who cares, he's probably the same type to get mad at drinking in the stadium.

[Art]

The expectation that an employer should take action against an employee for his personal views is so dangerous it's almost impossible to put into words. However, should we do this in society, we should start by encouraging employers to take action against employees who value innocent human life, in the souls of children, only a hair above the value of a dog.

[RIDETHEWALRUS]

I regard persons who engage in or support dog fighting in any form only a step above child molesters and a very small step at that.
Robert G. Dinsmore
Harrisonburg

I wonder how he would react if he saw a dog humping a childs leg?


Seriously Dog fighting then child molestation??? I wonder what seedy neighborhoods this guy is walking from to go from dog-fighting to child molestation in just a small step.

[21Knock_U_Out]

.
Though a lifelong Washington Redskins fan, I will not be watching Redskin games until management has imposed significant punishment on Portis and Samuels.[/B]



Well noone will miss ya! :ciao:

[Siven]

i'm sorry, I have a dog and I love my dog, but it's a bunch of god damn dogs. seriously, i don't get this, I'm going to kill you for fighting dogs. If you have that mentality, you NEED a reality check.

[borninblood]

Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

[bubba9497]

Well noone will miss ya! :ciao:

dang

you made it look like I said that :laugh:

[Major Harris]

not sure about "excaessive" but i think this guy is being very excessive. :silly:

[Justsomeguy]

I am sure Vick loves Portis for taking the press off of him for a couple of weeks. Hell Portis has had it almost as bad as Vick and he has nothing to do with dog fighting.

Let the man play football. If he commits a crime then punish him for the crime. If he has commited no crime, as is the case here, then get the sand out of your vagina and mind your own freaking business.

I cannot even begin to convey how sick of this story I am.

[bubba9497]

not sure about "excaessive" but i think this guy is being very excessive. :silly:


what????


:)

[CoachingWinsChampionships]

This guy obviously has no idea what he's talking about and didn't even bother to watch the tiny clip of the interview (which in and of itself is taking the story out of context). I hate it when people jump on a bandwagon so quickly without having a clue what they are protesting/supporting. Nobody can possibly blame Samuels for what Clinton Portis said. If this guy wants to punish Samuels as well, then he's just plain ignorant.

And no, I don't believe CP was joking as many have suggested, but to put the responsibility on the team to come up with consequences is unfair and to actually give them the authority under the law to do so would be reckless.

[duenni]

Well noone will miss ya! :ciao:

Couldn't have said it any better! :notworthy

[2skinsfans]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 21Knock_U_Out
Well noone will miss ya! :ciao:




Agreed!!!!

[SkinsManNJ]

Also he calls animal rights groups "wacko" but he is prepared to never watch a Skins game until CP and Samuels are punished. Who is the real wacko?

Hit the wako right on the head. I mean the nail. We need to put a nail in this wako's head. Darn Im so upset one guy won't be watching a Redskins game because of comments that weren't even as crazy as his own comments. :doh:

[Capt Rich Fla]

Whatever happened to freedom of speech?Ask the ACLU. They have found a way to make the entire constitution a jumbled mess of confusion. douche bags.

[Skinsfan1311]

punish Portis & Samuels?





http://www.dailynews-record.com/opinion_details.php?LID=4212

Though a lifelong Washington Redskins fan, I will not be watching Redskin games until management has imposed significant punishment on Portis and Samuels.


Robert G. Dinsmore
Harrisonburg

Hopefully, Mr. Dinsmore is a season-ticket holder and will give up his tickets so someone can come off the wait-list....

[skinsfan44]

Robert Dinsmore says he is a fan, but won't watch any Redskins games until Portis and Samuels gets "punished" for exercising there right to free speech???

One, he is NOT a true fan, and second, although what Portis and Samuels did was wrong, it is not illegal to say dumb things in this country, at least the last time I checked it wasn’t.

[BillyKilmer]

If he has season tickets I am willing to take them off his guilt riden hands

[ouvan59]

Robert Dinsmore says he is a fan, but won't watch any Redskins games until Portis and Samuels gets "punished" for exercising there right to free speech???

One, he is NOT a true fan, and second, although what Portis and Samuels did was wrong, it is not illegal to say dumb things in this country, at least the last time I checked it wasn’t.

I wouldn't say he isn't a true fan. I would say he is an absolute knee-jerk pansy who I'm sure is in favor of participation trophies and mandatory group therapy for all. Welcome to the new millenium.

[ldysknzfn1]

OK..first of all...he refers to Peta and animal rights folks as wackos..but then says he won't watch another Redskins game until they're punished? So if that's the case doesn't that make him a "wacko"? :insane: = Mr. Dinsmore. It takes all kinds in this world. I'm sure the skins will do a walk out now that they know Mr. Dinsmore won't be watching:doh: . Get a grip!(no..not on that Mr. Dinsmore:rolleyes: ..didn't your mama tell you go can go blind like that:silly: )
Will this ever go away?

[HailSkinz1]

"Freedom of speech" has nothing to do with this, so please don't use that as an excuse in this case. If the government were going after Portis and Samuels because of their comments (really only Portis), then you could invoke the "Freedom of Speech" amendment. But that's not the case. (Though I agree with Capt. Rich's ACLU comment!).

Okay, having tried to clear that up, I don't agree with his stance at all, but if he wants to feel that way, fine. I don't think the Redskins or the NFL need to fine or suspend Portis for his comments. I think both entities have handled the situation appropriately.

If Vick is found guilty of having anything to do with this or any knowledge of it, I hope he's punished by the authorities not just the NFL or the Atlanta Falcons. Unfortunately, Portis's comments have distracted from the primary alleged villian in this case.

Hail,

H

[c4man5282]

asinine..good word! :)

i was thinking the same thing when reading that....but this is just funny reading this....why would they punish chris and clinton for their actions....they both apologized for what they did or said it is over and done with get over it

[BKSkinsFan]

The only problem I have with this whole thing is the apology. If CP would have just came out right after it blew up and said, "I apologize for offending anyone with my comments. I mistakenly tried to make a joke out of a serious situation. I in no way condone dog fighting or any other mistreatment of animals." this would all be squashed.

Instead, we've got it all over the media, and his apology seemed to not acknowledge the fact that he understands dog fighting is wrong. I believe he does understand this, but from his comments, it can be perceived from the ones he offended that he still doesn't see anything wrong with it.

The real story to all of this in my mind is the extremists who have shown to be completely idiotic hypocrits. These are the people who after hearing someone not having a problem with harming animals, proceed to send death threats to that person. This is like abortion protestors that are so against taking a life that they kill a doctor that performs them.

[MisterPinstripe]

YES! Lets punish someone for having an opinion! Its an unpopular opinion so we can punish them for it! In the mean time, no one has requested that Vick be punished, at least not that I have seen...

[TT_Red_Raider_1984]

I truly believe that both players were in an interview that was lite in natural. They were joking around and did not catch the fact the interview had turn serious in its content. It was a mistake but does not deserve punishment. A reprimand from the organization is warrant because during the interview they were representing the Skins.

[jrfriedm]

punish Portis & Samuels?





http://www.dailynews-record.com/opinion_details.php?LID=4212





Dog Fight Charges Are Serious

I am not a member or supporter of PETA or any other wacko animal rights groups; however, I am deeply disturbed by the allegations of dog fighting surrounding Michael Vick and am offended by the remarks of Clinton Portis and his backing by Chris Samuels.

I regard persons who engage in or support dog fighting in any form only a step above child molesters and a very small step at that. Though a lifelong Washington Redskins fan, I will not be watching Redskin games until management has imposed significant punishment on Portis and Samuels.
I also call upon the NFL to impose significant punishment on Michael Vick, if it appears he has been involved in the dog fighting arena and it certainly appears that he has.

Robert G. Dinsmore
Harrisonburg
Well, I guess you won't be watching any Skins games then.

Personally, I think that what Portis said is wrong, and detestable. However, that is his right to say such things under the second amendment that so many of our fellow American brothers and sisters have given their lives to protect. I for one have lost a lot of respect for Portis, and I will never purchase anything that has his name or number on it, however; as a Redskins fan I will still cheer for him every Sunday.

As far as Samuels goes, I don't think that he agreed with anything that came out of Portis's mouth. I think that he was a shocked as the rest of us, but he was in a no win situation and he did the best thing he could do, and that was just keep his mouth shut.

[santana_4_prez]

This guy is an idiot. First off, neither one should be punished. And Saumuels didn't even say anything! Is laughing a crime?

[Riggo#44]

Ok, I have a question for Mr. Dinsmore - or anyone else that wants to bury Portis:

Have you ever said anything colossally stupid/arrogant/offensive you wanted to bury your head in the sand? I know I have. Now what would you do if you had a camera in your face three times a week. You think it would catch something stupid?

I don't agree with Portis - but I am so glad I don't have a camera following me around - I probably would offend at least 25% of the population everyday.

[trimee]

As far as Samuels goes, I don't think that he agreed with anything that came out of Portis's mouth. I think that he was a shocked as the rest of us, but he was in a no win situation and he did the best thing he could do, and that was just keep his mouth shut.

I think you are correct. I think Samuels just stood there and laughed. I love how it seems he was just standing in the wrong place at the wrong time, and people were cofused by him laughing, and took it as something it wasnt. Now all of a sudden, Samuels is also a dog fighting lover? Get the @#$% out of here.
I hope the writer of this article is never sitting at a red light when someone else runs it! Because then, using his own logic, that would make him a red light running, law breaking, endangering others, trying to kill pedestrians motorist, who is barelly a step above murders and bank robbers, whom also break the law.
Idiot.
I hope he does stop watching the Skins. Maybe thats one less pansy that'll be at a game telling everyone else to sit down. :mad:

[jrfriedm]

I hope he does stop watching the Skins. Maybe thats one less pansy that'll be at a game telling everyone else to sit down. :mad:
God I hate this about a lot of Redskins fans. A great play will happen and I'll stand up to cheer and the people behind me are like sitdown. Screw them.


Sorry for getting off topic.

[jthor99]

These people really need to get over this stuff. Both have aplolgized and moved on, so does everyone else.

[BALLz]

Though a lifelong Washington Redskins fan, I will not be watching Redskin games until management has imposed significant punishment on Portis and Samuels.


Considering other the garbage this guy said, i'm curious what he would consider "significant" punishment. And why do people contantly lump Samuels in with these comments. If Samuels is guilty of anything then so is the reporter and for that matter the camera man and anybody else on the set. The way i see Samuels only fault is that he was in the same room. Well there were probably alot of people in there so they should all be punished.

And IMHO, child molestation is miles and mountain worse than anything that could every be done to any animal. The fact the he considers them so simular gives be reason to suspect this guy personal activities.

[HailSkinz1]

Well, I guess you won't be watching any Skins games then.

Personally, I think that what Portis said is wrong, and detestable. However, that is his right to say such things under the second amendment that so many of our fellow American brothers and sisters have given their lives to protect. I for one have lost a lot of respect for Portis, and I will never purchase anything that has his name or number on it, however; as a Redskins fan I will still cheer for him every Sunday.

As far as Samuels goes, I don't think that he agreed with anything that came out of Portis's mouth. I think that he was a shocked as the rest of us, but he was in a no win situation and he did the best thing he could do, and that was just keep his mouth shut.

The Second Amendment gives us the right to bear arms. I don't think that has anything to do with what Portis said. I'm guessing you meant the First Amendment. That's fine, it's an easy mistake to make.

But, as I've mentioned, the Bill of Rights has nothing to do with this, unless Portis was arrested for his comments. The Bill of Rights limits government, it has nothing to do with private industry. If the Redskins wanted to fine or suspend him for his comments, they could legally do so (the NFLPA might have a problem with it though). This is why Don Imus could be fired for his comments regarding the Rutgers Women's Bball team. The only thing the Amendments protect you from is the government going after you, not your employer or some Joe Blow.

Otherwise, I completely agree with your sentiments. I mean no disrespect jr, I'm just trying to set the record straight since so many people apparently don't understand what the Constitution really is about.

Hail,

H

[ceviker]

Whata douche bag.

[hamptonskinsfan]

Mr. Dinsmore,
I am offended by your lack of understanding of ones constitutional rights in this country. And because of your statements I as well as most of my fellow Redskin Brethren would like you to cease all viewing of anything manly and would like to suggest you take up something more suited to your views like maybe knitting a nice swatstika or something. if that doesn't work I personally would like to suggest you HOLDING YOUR BREATH until the Redskin Organization penalizes Mr. Portis and Mr. Samuels thus ridding this earth of another whinning little prick that you have made so obvious. Either that or go outside and play "Hide and go F@@@ yourself".

Thank You and Good Riddance,

Michael G.
Hampton, Va.

[Rocky21]

What a kook. Last time I checked Americans were allowed to express their opinions (regardless of how much we may dislike them) in this country.

He can boycott all the games he likes. That's his right too.

[21Knock_U_Out]

dang

you made it look like I said that :laugh:
Oops.......changed it. :D

[21 always]

As I am sitting right now and watching this epic dog fight between a 3 legged pit bull named el guapoe and a big ear basset hound named mitzy ,yet I can't help but think that some of these writers are insane .. Punish them for talking about dog fighting!!! are you kidding me .... I say boo this man and take away his right to write!!! Oh wait that falls under free speech... hmm i wonder if this guy thinks speaking would fall under free speech!

[Waleo32]

Let's be real dog fighting is accepting in many areas or cultures. People uses Pitts to dog fight. I'm not saying it right, but Portis saw this growing up like many others and had his opinion. Peopl need to calm down it was only an opinion. Also on another issue it's funny how the feds are getting involved in the case. I just find it humorous.

[laxpck]

I promise Portis had no idea there was 30-40 dog carcasses buried in Vick's backyard.

The context at the time was like, Man thats his pet and he can do what he wants with it.

Quite another thing to run a f*&*ing Puppy Mill that keeps dogs tied up and training til the day they die.

Vick is one sick MotherF*&#er....I for one hope the book gets thrown at him.

We live in a society that does not tolerate killing dogs for business and fun. You want to get away with this stuff, move out of America. Our society sets the standards. Unfortunately, no matter how rich, you are NOT allowed to decide what standards YOU are going to follow and which ones you are going to break.

Portis is guilty of nothing but backing up a fellow footballer without knowing the details.....

The more details that are learned, the more disgusting this thing is.


What I find amusing that with all these details that have come out, there are still people trying to blow it off.

No big deal?

[mbws]

Well, I guess you won't be watching any Skins games then.

Personally, I think that what Portis said is wrong, and detestable. However, that is his right to say such things under the second amendment that so many of our fellow American brothers and sisters have given their lives to protect. I for one have lost a lot of respect for Portis, and I will never purchase anything that has his name or number on it, however; as a Redskins fan I will still cheer for him every Sunday.

As far as Samuels goes, I don't think that he agreed with anything that came out of Portis's mouth. I think that he was a shocked as the rest of us, but he was in a no win situation and he did the best thing he could do, and that was just keep his mouth shut.



What does this have to do with the right to own a gun?

[jrfriedm]

What does this have to do with the right to own a gun?
Dude what are you talking about?
Did you even read the post I quoted?
Do you even have a clue what is being discussed here?

:stupid:

[SkinsNatsFan]

I regard persons who engage in or support dog fighting in any form only a step above child molesters and a very small step at that.

Robert G. Dinsmore
Harrisonburg


The expectation that an employer should take action against an employee for his personal views is so dangerous it's almost impossible to put into words. However, should we do this in society, we should start by encouraging employers to take action against employees who value innocent human life, in the souls of children, only a hair above the value of a dog.

Absolutely. I find the above statement of his much more offensive than anything Clinton Portis said. If this foolish idea has any merit, it should begin with this fool.

[ouvan59]

Nevermind. I thought the mistake was made by the guy who wrote the letter. My bad. :stick:

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

The expectation that an employer should take action against an employee for his personal views is so dangerous it's almost impossible to put into words. However, should we do this in society, we should start by encouraging employers to take action against employees who value innocent human life, in the souls of children, only a hair above the value of a dog.

Most employees are at-will. Employers can fire them for any reason not specifically prohibited by law.

If you don't believe me, let someone overhear you using some racial slurs at work tomorrow.

(By the way, the Skins should not punish Portis).

[Streater101]

Easily the most ridiculous thing I've heard in quite sometime.

Excessive is just the tip of the iceberg

[HailSkinz1]

Dude what are you talking about?
Did you even read the post I quoted?
Do you even have a clue what is being discussed here?

:stupid:

I think he's refering to the fact that you previously stated that the Portis was merely exersizing his Second Amendment rights. The Second Amendment, as I also noted previously, gives us the right to bear arms.

I won't repeat my post here, but if you are interested, go back a page or two. This incident has nothing to do with the First (or Second as far as I can tell) Amendment, unless the government tries to take action against Portis. The Amendments do not protect you from your employer or people's criticism.

Hail,

H

[taylorcoreskin]

this guy claims to be a lifelong skins fan and I'm not buying it. he's a cowpuke fan for sure if he wants us to punish two great players.

[cphil006]

Why should Portis or Samuels be punished?

They did not commit a crime.

They may have sounded ignorant, but they are not criminals.

[Darth Tater]

He has every right to boycott the Redskins for any reason he sees fit. He has every right to state why he is taking the action. He has every right to recruit other individuals to boycott with him. However, if he goes to any government organization and expects help, he is a criminal. If the government (local, state or federal) takes any coercive action motivated by this complaint against the Redskins, Portis or Samuels, they are taking criminal action.

[nebster21]

I don't suppose anyone that knows this kid Robert G. Dinsmore Harrisonburg. I think you should punish him until he admits he is wrong. Of course this statement is as asinine as Mrs. Dinsmore is. Oops Mr. no wait I got it right the first time.

[taylorcoreskin]

Why should Portis or Samuels be punished?

They did not commit a crime.

They may have sounded ignorant, but they are not criminals.

apparently freedom of speech is an illusion :laugh:

[HailSkinz1]

apparently freedom of speech is an illusion :laugh:

No, but it is a restriction on our government and has nothing to do with this.:doh:

Hail,

H

[Darth Tater]

"Freedom of speech" has nothing to do with this, so please don't use that as an excuse in this case. If the government were going after Portis and Samuels because of their comments (really only Portis), then you could invoke the "Freedom of Speech" amendment. But that's not the case. (Though I agree with Capt. Rich's ACLU comment!).

Yes, based on the content of Mr Dinsmore's letter alone, the only possible accusation for a call to violate anyones of "freedom of speech" would come from any call for government action against either Mr. Dinsmore, the Redskins, Portis or Samuels.

[taylorcoreskin]

No, but it is a restriction on our government and has nothing to do with this.:doh:

Hail,

H

how do you figure?

[HailSkinz1]

how do you figure?

The Bill of Rights restricts the government from doing anything to us. It does not prevent individuals or private companies (such as the Redskins) from doing anything. This is why Don Imus could get fired for his comments. The First Amendment did not protect him from his employer. It did, however, protect him from the government doing anything.

Does that make sense?

Another example. The Second Amendment gives us the right to bear arms. But, can you take a gun to FedEx to watch a game? Nope. The Second Amendment only protects you from the government trying to take your guns (though that's being challenged daily). It does not protect you from the Redskins preventing you from bringing a gun to the game.

Hope that helps.

Hail,

H

[NattyLight]

To be completely honest, he sounds just a tad more extreme than most of the do-gooders on this board.;)

If he doesn't want to watch the Redskins; cool. Have fun going shopping with your wife on Sunday and having your friends, if you have any, tell you about the game on Monday morning.

This guy is an idiot.

[taylorcoreskin]

The Bill of Rights restricts the government from doing anything to us. It does not prevent individuals or private companies (such as the Redskins) from doing anything. This is why Don Imus could get fired for his comments. The First Amendment did not protect him from his employer. It did, however, protect him from the government doing anything.

Does that make sense?

Another example. The Second Amendment gives us the right to bear arms. But, can you take a gun to FedEx to watch a game? Nope. The Second Amendment only protects you from the government trying to take your guns (though that's being challenged daily). It does not protect you from the Redskins preventing you from bringing a gun to the game.

Hope that helps.

Hail,

H

thank you for enlightening me. It did indeed help. but do you honestly think that their comments deserve punishment from their employer (the skins)? I certainly don't. The comments were harmless and samuels and portis merely came off as ignorant fools.

[Darth Tater]

Well, I guess you won't be watching any Skins games then.

Personally, I think that what Portis said is wrong, and detestable. However, that is his right to say such things under the second amendment that so many of our fellow American brothers and sisters have given their lives to protect. I for one have lost a lot of respect for Portis, and I will never purchase anything that has his name or number on it, however; as a Redskins fan I will still cheer for him every Sunday.

As far as Samuels goes, I don't think that he agreed with anything that came out of Portis's mouth. I think that he was a shocked as the rest of us, but he was in a no win situation and he did the best thing he could do, and that was just keep his mouth shut.
Portis and Samuels speech is only protected against government action not action by a commercial concern. In reality, any government action against the organization for any action it took against Portis or Samuels may be in violation of law.

[HailSkinz1]

thank you for enlightening me. It did indeed help. but do you honestly think that their comments deserve punishment from their employer (the skins)? I certainly don't. The comments were harmless and samuels and portis merely came off as ignorant fools.

No I don't think they should be punished (I think I mentioned that in a previous post). I do think Portis was irresponsible with his comments and disagree with him, but what the NFL and Redskins have already done is enough for me.

Poor Samuels was just an innocent bystander as far as I'm concerned.

Hail,

H

[SonOfWashington]

I want to hear what this guy thinks an appropriate punshishment would be for Portis and Samuels.

:rolleyes:

[taylorcoreskin]

No I don't think they should be punished (I think I mentioned that in a previous post). I do think Portis was irresponsible with his comments and disagree with him, but what the NFL and Redskins have already done is enough for me.

Poor Samuels was just an innocent bystander as far as I'm concerned.

Hail,

H

didn't samuels interject at some point during the interview?

[dallasfan]

Though a lifelong Washington Redskins fan, I will not be watching Redskin games until management has imposed significant punishment on Portis and Samuels.

Samuels was probably laughing at Portis, not the idea of dog fighting, and Portis can't/shouldn't be punished for expressing his opinion

[Darth Tater]

how do you figure?
At any point (at least in this letter), did Mr. Dinsmore call for government action?

[taylorcoreskin]

At any point (at least in this letter), did Mr. Dinsmore call for government action?

no but punishing someone for expressing their opinion just seems immoral.

[HailSkinz1]

didn't samuels interject at some point during the interview?

Yeah, he did. But I got the impression it was a deal like when you're with your buddy and he says or does something really stupid, but you back him up anyway. Samuels probably should have said something like "Portis, stop kidding around, let's just hope Vick isn't involved" or something, but I still can't find a lot of fault with Samuels's involvement.

I also wonder....this took place during the Beach Blitz correct? Does anyone know if maybe some of the players were having a few drinks? I wonder if Portis maybe was a little buzzed from a few beers.

Hail,

H

[taylorcoreskin]

Yeah, he did. But I got the impression it was a deal like when you're with your buddy and he says or does something really stupid, but you back him up anyway. Samuels probably should have said something like "Portis, stop kidding around, let's just hope Vick isn't involved" or something, but I still can't find a lot of fault with Samuels's involvement.

I also wonder....this took place during the Beach Blitz correct? Does anyone know if maybe some of the players were have a few drinks? I wonder if Portis maybe was a little buzzed from a few beers.

Hail,

H

now that I think about it his speech was a little slurred. :(

[clathel]

Portis and Samuels were being silly....Portis is known for his shenanigans....Get over it. With Samuels laughing in the background it was obvious that it was just the two of them being silly and trying to be falsely serious. This has been blown way out of proportion.

[jrfriedm]

Portis and Samuels speech is only protected against government action not action by a commercial concern. In reality, any government action against the organization for any action it took against Portis or Samuels may be in violation of law.
Call it a guess, but I'm thinking you're a lawyer.

[cmorina69]

Freedom of speach. My god this is blown out of preportion, if portis thinks there is nothing wrong with dog fighting who cares. my god im so sick of hereing about how they should be repremanded they did nothing wrong.

[Darth Tater]

no but punishing someone for expressing their opinion just seems immoral.
Maybe but that was not the issue we were discussing (at least not the issue I thougt we were discussing).

[Darth Tater]

Call it a guess, but I'm thinking you're a lawyer.
No, I'm not a lawyer nor have never wanted to be a lawyer. Still, that wouldn't make me wrong.

[jrfriedm]

No, I'm not a lawyer nor have never wanted to be a lawyer. Still, that wouldn't make me wrong.
Never said that it did. I have no problem with lawyers. Actually, I was kind of dating (that is to say, we were spending a lot of nights together) one a few years ago

[CM916]

I think if any one of us had everything we say heavily scrutinized by the media, we'd all be in trouble. It's over with, let it go. I have little doubt that Gibbs did one of his usual private talks with them and that's enough.

[Darth Tater]

Never said that it did. I have no problem with lawyers. Actually, I was kind of dating (that is to say, we were spending a lot of nights together) one a few years ago
I didn't say you said that. Anyway, dating a lawyer can be dangerous :D

[SkinsFTW]

I regard persons who engage in or support dog fighting in any form only a step above child molesters and a very small step at that.

Robert G. Dinsmore
Harrisonburg

This guy is an idiot.

Dog fighting is only slightly worse than child molesting? :doh:

[Juniorbandit]

I regard persons who engage in or support dog fighting in any form only a step above child molesters and a very small step at that.

yea i completly agree. Raping children is only a little worse then letting two dogs fight. That makes complete sense. And you know genocide, well that's preatty much the same as dog fighting.

[glikster04]

see ya robbie! have a good year!

[Darth Tater]

This guy is an idiot.

Dog fighting is only slightly worse than child molesting? :doh:
Sadly, I know many people that would agree with this guy on that point. I've asked them why the believe that and they've never even given me a good answer, much less one that is right. So, yes, I guess they're idiots.

[mikeyf316]

I won't miss him.

Portis and Samuels already addressed the issue, which is more than Vick has done. They SAID something, whereas Vick DID something. If this guy is so smart, what should their punishment be?

[Art]

Most employees are at-will. Employers can fire them for any reason not specifically prohibited by law.

If you don't believe me, let someone overhear you using some racial slurs at work tomorrow.

(By the way, the Skins should not punish Portis).

Most employees are at-will, but, not really, and you know it. The process for termination at most corporations is lengthy and difficult as despite being at-will, corporations must protect themselves from lawsuits and build to a termination, proving the employee was given a path to succeed and failed. Now, a crime at the office will be met with swift termination.

[smalex41]

punish Portis & Samuels?





http://www.dailynews-record.com/opinion_details.php?LID=4212





Dog Fight Charges Are Serious

I am not a member or supporter of PETA or any other wacko animal rights groups; however, I am deeply disturbed by the allegations of dog fighting surrounding Michael Vick and am offended by the remarks of Clinton Portis and his backing by Chris Samuels.

I regard persons who engage in or support dog fighting in any form only a step above child molesters and a very small step at that. Though a lifelong Washington Redskins fan, I will not be watching Redskin games until management has imposed significant punishment on Portis and Samuels.

I also call upon the NFL to impose significant punishment on Michael Vick, if it appears he has been involved in the dog fighting arena and it certainly appears that he has.

Robert G. Dinsmore
HarrisonburgIt's true that dog fighting is not humane and that it should be dealt with seriously, however, lets not put the "cart before the horse". Let the investigating factors do their jobs ie., find probable cause or proof, indict and convict Vick if it is found that he is an active supporter of this atrocious activity. In America, the assumption is that people are innocent until proven guilty.
The remarks rendered by Portis was not appropriate and it demonstrated a "flaw in his character, Samuels laughter gave support to Portis' statements. Both of them have apologized publicly and that should be the end of that. "NO ONE IS PERFECT" !!

[Dirk Diggler]

Most employees are at-will, but, not really, and you know it. The process for termination at most corporations is lengthy and difficult as despite being at-will, corporations must protect themselves from lawsuits and build to a termination, proving the employee was given a path to succeed and failed. Now, a crime at the office will be met with swift termination.

Tell me about it...

This guy I work with sexually harassed every girl he came in contact with for 2 years. When they felt they "had enough of a file" and finally tried to let him go, he threatened to sue them alleging that they were letting him go because he was a single parent. They backed off and he still works here 4 years later. Crazy world.

[bulldog]

of course if the women filed a complaint with HR for harrassment, I bet the employee in question would have a tough time keeping his job.

[squatch66]

And no, I don't believe CP was joking as many have suggested, but to put the responsibility on the team to come up with consequences is unfair and to actually give them the authority under the law to do so would be reckless.

not only that but if i was portis or samuels and the team came down on me for that i would sue them and retire on all the money that i would get from them for violating my first amendment right to free speech.


I cannot even begin to convey how sick of this story I am.

amen brother. i have dogs and love them like they were my children, but this is getting ridiculous.

[cmorina69]

Child Molesting >>>>>>> Dog fighting, they are not even in the same universe, one is with HUMANS one is with animals.

[IWANTOBEGM]

They shouldn't punish them, they however should offer some courses on public speaking. This guys get microphones shoved in their mouths all of the time and need to be conscious of what comes spewing out of their mouths.

What is reported in our news, the approach and direction in which it goes, is ALWAYS negative. The players, coaches, etc...need the education so they do not embarrass their employers.

[fansince62]

PUNISH them?...That's asinine. :doh:

"I don't like the way you think...you need to be punished!"

bingo!!!!!!!!!!!

[fansince62]

Most employees are at-will, but, not really, and you know it. The process for termination at most corporations is lengthy and difficult as despite being at-will, corporations must protect themselves from lawsuits and build to a termination, proving the employee was given a path to succeed and failed. Now, a crime at the office will be met with swift termination.


exactly.

[fansince62]

Child Molesting >>>>>>> Dog fighting, they are not even in the same universe, one is with HUMANS one is with animals.

well...maybe this guy is into some...errrrr....unusual realtionships with dogs!

[SKINS FAN #56]

Who pissed in this guys cornflakes? :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :applause:

[Peregrine]

I dont know how much of a Skins fan he ever was. Over one player saying something? Obviously he didnt bother to watch the tape or he wouldnt have lumped in Samuels anyway, so he cant be that bright, or thorough, or even care that much. What Redskins fan wouldnt check that out thoroughly before making such a statement as the one above? None.

I hardly think punishing free speech is a solution.

[TomE]

Child Molesting >>>>>>> Dog fighting, they are not even in the same universe, one is with HUMANS one is with animals.
I agree that dog fighting by itself is not on the same level as child abuse.

It is, however, in the same "universe".

Dog fighting is animal abuse.

Adult perpetrators of abuse, be it towards children, spouse or anyone else, frequently begin with the abuse of animals.

Dog fighters might view their activity as a "sporting event" and a chance to make a few bucks on the side but taking pleasure in these animals tearing into each other is perilously close to the same pathology exhibited by those who enjoy tearing up animals and go on to the next level of abuse.


As far as punishment of Portis' for his remarks, eh... the guy should already be embarrassed in coming-off as a bonehead and he might want to keep his non-football opinions to himself when in the limelight. The team has done enough publicly.

Vick will get his due process and will have to submit to the mere opinion of litigation.

[2006Skins]

Lets not get into the differences between different types of abuse (belongs in tailgate forum); but the moron who wrote this should be given a wet willy or something... Come on! Something offended you, big deal! Get over it! This is old news!

[clathel]

There have been alot worse things said without any action so I dont think anything will become of this.

[pilsburypgh]

of all da serious crimes goin on in this world, who cares about what portis said.