Best QB after Peyton Manning and Tom Brady

[sableholic]

Symbol mentioned this in the other Best QB thread and I thought it would be interesting to see what people thought. My vote is for Palmer, although Mcnabb and Brees are tough to pass up.

[jrockster21]

Its probably a toss-up between Palmer, Brees & a healthy McNabb, but I hate the Eagles, so I vote for Palmer.

[BAFGA]

I don't know, Brees took a bad Saints team to the playoffs last year. I think the Chargers let the wrong QB go.

[sableholic]

I'd vote for Mcnabb hands down if he could just stay healthy.

[doncherry]

Carson Palmer and its not even close.

[bubba9497]

Carson Palmer and its not even close.



I agree

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't know, Brees took a bad Saints team to the playoffs last year. I think the Chargers let the wrong QB go.

I don't know about this. IMO, the Saints were a much better team then maybe many realize when Payton took them over. In 2000, Jim Haslett took over the Saints. That year, they went to the playoffs with a 10-6 record. from 2001 thru 2004, they were 32/32. From 01 to 04, they lost 14 games by a TD or less. In 2005, they had the season from hell with the Hurricanes and all and basically played on the road the whole season. That year they went 3-13 but, what can you really expect under those circumstances? The problem with them was that they didn't get good QB play. The problem with the Saints, IMO, was Brooks and his ability to avoid mistakes. During this time period, Brooks averaged a QB rating of 78.96 with 135 combined INTs and Fumbles against 131 TDs Passing and Rushing. This team was always playing from behind. After the 2005 season, they landed Brees, who was light years better then Brooks and they also got Reggie Bush. Payton is a fine coach, IMO, but he's not all that. He was smart enough to look at the situation in NO and figure out that they were not nearly as bad as some people believed them to be.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Up till last year, it was probably Trent Green to be honest. Since the injuries last season, I'd say it's probably Palmer now. I know I'd take Palmer over Green and in truth, I'd take Palmer over Brady or Payton as well. If you put Palmer on New England or Indy, he would as impressive, if not more so, IMO then Brady or Palmer. JMO.

[taylorcoreskin]

I voted palmer. He's so accurate and still so young.

[Grimm]

I would say Brees, but Palmer isn't far behind

[Symbol]

As a Redskins fan and an Eagles hater, I hate admitting it, but McNabb. Think about this, even though he has a bit of a reputation of choking in the big games, the man never had a #1 and in my opinion a #2 receiver to throw the ball to until T.O.

You know, how many NFC Championship games do you have to go to with extremely poor receivers in a pass first offense before you're considered as one of the top QB's in the league?

[pjfootballer]

I would have to agree with McNabb, but I voted for Palmer because of McNabb's injuries.

[RobertGoulet]

I picked Palmer, but i really think Bulger is underrated.

[ABQCOWBOY]

As a Redskins fan and an Eagles hater, I hate admitting it, but McNabb. Think about this, even though he has a bit of a reputation of choking in the big games, the man never had a #1 and in my opinion a #2 receiver to throw the ball to until T.O.

You know, how many NFC Championship games do you have to go to with extremely poor receivers in a pass first offense before you're considered as one of the top QB's in the league?

The problem with McNabb, IMO, is the fact that he's missed at least 20 games in the past 5 years. In the last two, he's missed 13. He's a guy who has run the ball a lot in his career. He's not getting any faster, nor is he getting quicker. He's a 58% completion passer lifetime, which means that he's not going to all of a sudden turn into Payton Manning from the pocket. To me, his best years are behind him. He has real issues with his own team and all of these things are going to continue to get worse. Lastly, the Eagles have drafted very decent young prospect at QB. All of this spells bad things for McNabb IMO. I guess we will see.

[Symbol]

The problem with McNabb, IMO, is the fact that he's missed at least 20 games in the past 5 years. In the last two, he's missed 13. He's a guy who has run the ball a lot in his career. He's not getting any faster, nor is he getting quicker. He's a 58% completion passer lifetime, which means that he's not going to all of a sudden turn into Payton Manning from the pocket. To me, his best years are behind him. He has real issues with his own team and all of these things are going to continue to get worse. Lastly, the Eagles have drafted very decent young prospect at QB. All of this spells bad things for McNabb IMO. I guess we will see.


Well, the 58% career completion percentage is due in my opinion to the fact his only reliable receiver is his running back, Westbrook. Think about it, before T.O., his number one receiver, and I have a lot of respect for him, was James Thrash. Thrash isn't even a #3 on the Redskins and it's doubtful that even during that time, he would have been a #2 on any other team in the NFL.

What did he do when he got a stud receiver, he blew up. As for the injuries, any QB that has to throw as much as he does is going to get injured. Though he was never IMO a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but he was the #3 QB in the NFL to me.

Put McNabb in any team that has a running game, that team is better for it, except for Indie and NE.

[bubba9497]

Palmer has the Skills, but he hasn't got the Knowledge and savy of the QB position like Manning yet

Brees has the Smarts but not all the tools

McNabb hasn't ever really got it all together, and has too many minor pouting session

Bulger is good at everything a QB should be but isn't great at any of them IMO





but what about

Romo 95 Rating :excited:


I know beating a dead horse :laugh:

[DieHardWSHfan]

Now, I voted for Palmer, but I don't think people are giving Bulger his due. He's EXTREMELY underrated. I know stats don't mean everything, but they certainly tell a story.

For every game started:

Palmer: 239.3 yards per game (10,768yds over 45 games)
Bulger: 270.6 yards per game (16,233yds over 60 games

Palmer: 1.7 TDs per game (78 over 45 games)
Bulger: 1.6 TDs per game (95 over 60 games)

Palmer: 7.37 YPA (10768 yards over 1461 attempts)
Bulger: 7.71 YPA (16233 yards over 2106 attempts)

Palmer: 2.9 average 20+ yard gains per game (129 over 45 games)
Bulger: 3.8 average 20+ yard gains per game (226 over 60 games)

Palmer: 63.8% completion rate (932 completions over 1461 attempts)
Bulger: 64.4% completion rate (1357 completions over 2106 attempts)

It seems that Bulger is at least on Palmer's level, maybe even better. It pains me to see Palmer's, Brees', and McNabb's names mentioned and Bulger ignored. Anyway, I just hope people reevaluate their stance, that's all.

[pjfootballer]

Now, I voted for Palmer, but I don't think people are giving Bulger his due. He's EXTREMELY underrated. I know stats don't mean everything, but they certainly tell a story.

For every game started:

Palmer: 239.3 yards per game (10,768yds over 45 games)
Bulger: 270.6 yards per game (16,233yds over 60 games

Palmer: 1.7 TDs per game (78 over 45 games)
Bulger: 1.6 TDs per game (95 over 60 games)

Palmer: 7.39 YPA
Bulger: 7.71 YPA

Palmer: 2.9 average 20+ yard gains per game (129 over 45 games)
Bulger: 3.8 average 20+ yard gains per game (226 over 60 games)

It seems that Bulger is at least on Palmer's level, maybe even better. It pains me to see Palmer's, Brees', and McNabb's names mentioned and Bulger ignored. Anyway, I just hope people reevaluate their stance, that's all.

It still says zero votes for Bulger. Did you vote for him? And I agree, he's underrated, but at the same time like Bubba said, he does all the things good, but not great.

[DieHardWSHfan]

It still says zero votes for Bulger. Did you vote for him? And I agree, he's underrated, but at the same time like Bubba said, he does all the things good, but not great.

I said I voted for Palmer. I agree that he is the better QB. That wasn't my point. My point is that when discussing the best QBs under Manning and Brady, Bulger is rarely mentioned or given his proper arguement.

Also, if he does everything good but not great, and palmer does things great (which you didn't specify) then how come he beats him in practically every statistical category, except TDs per game, in which he trails by only .1. That's an unfair assessment.

Palmer gets all of this attention because of his college days and the hype coming out of college. Deserved hype, I concede, he is a great QB. Yet Bulger never gets the same attention even though he is AT LEAST on his level.

My point isn't that Bulger is better, just that nobody gives him his due.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, the 58% career completion percentage is due in my opinion to the fact his only reliable receiver is his running back, Westbrook. Think about it, before T.O., his number one receiver, and I have a lot of respect for him, was James Thrash. Thrash isn't even a #3 on the Redskins and it's doubtful that even during that time, he would have been a #2 on any other team in the NFL.

What did he do when he got a stud receiver, he blew up. As for the injuries, any QB that has to throw as much as he does is going to get injured. Though he was never IMO a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but he was the #3 QB in the NFL to me.

Put McNabb in any team that has a running game, that team is better for it, except for Indie and NE.

Possibly, but I don't see it. I would agree that he has not had great WRs to work with but I would also point out that in 2004, they were 8th in the league in receptions, in 2005 they were 8th in the league in receptions and last year, they were 13th in the league. Somebodies, catching some balls. Now, they don't have a great running game to fall back on, that's true, but then again, they run a WC type offense. It's because of there offense that they don't have a power running game. A few years ago, I might have considered McNabb as the possible number 3 QB but I don't think I would in the here and now.

[Lowghost]

I picked Palmer.

[cosmopolitianbloodloss]

I, ahem, like McNabb. A lot. However, since he's always getting himself injured I'd say it's a toss up between Palmer and Brees.

[pjfootballer]

I said I voted for Palmer. I agree that he is the better QB. That wasn't my point. My point is that when discussing the best QBs under Manning and Brady, Bulger is rarely mentioned or given his proper arguement.

Also, if he does everything good but not great, and palmer does things great (which you didn't specify) then how come he beats him in practically every statistical category, except TDs per game, in which he trails by only .1. That's an unfair assessment.

Palmer gets all of this attention because of his college days and the hype coming out of college. Deserved hype, I concede, he is a great QB. Yet Bulger never gets the same attention even though he is AT LEAST on his level.

My point isn't that Bulger is better, just that nobody gives him his due.

Sorry if you took my post the wrong way. I wasn't calling you out. I missed where you said you voted for Palmer. My Mistake. True, he gets all the attention, but I guess you can compare Bulger to say Phil Simms. Not spectacular, but not terrible either. Bulger also has Jackson to dump the ball off to. Palmer really doesn't have a good receiving RB or TE. Bulger always had good TE's and has McMichael this year. With your stats, you did prove that Bulger is just as good. Maybe it's intangables. OR like you said, popularity.

[Joe Gibbs II]

Palmer
Brees
Bulger

I think bulger is extremely underrated and i would have all three of these guys very close together. But because brees has so much success with two different teams, im giving him the nudge.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Now, I voted for Palmer, but I don't think people are giving Bulger his due. He's EXTREMELY underrated. I know stats don't mean everything, but they certainly tell a story.

For every game started:

Palmer: 239.3 yards per game (10,768yds over 45 games)
Bulger: 270.6 yards per game (16,233yds over 60 games

Palmer: 1.7 TDs per game (78 over 45 games)
Bulger: 1.6 TDs per game (95 over 60 games)

Palmer: 7.37 YPA (10768 yards over 1461 attempts)
Bulger: 7.71 YPA (16233 yards over 2106 attempts)

Palmer: 2.9 average 20+ yard gains per game (129 over 45 games)
Bulger: 3.8 average 20+ yard gains per game (226 over 60 games)

Palmer: 63.8% completion rate (932 completions over 1461 attempts)
Bulger: 64.4% completion rate (1357 completions over 2106 attempts)

It seems that Bulger is at least on Palmer's level, maybe even better. It pains me to see Palmer's, Brees', and McNabb's names mentioned and Bulger ignored. Anyway, I just hope people reevaluate their stance, that's all.


Well, Green has even better numbers up to last year. I mean, if we're just talking about numbers here, then I think it's gotta be Trent Green. Minus last year, going back to 2002, he's posted an average QB Rating of 92.6. He's averaged 4083 yards per season, holds an average Comp% of 63.3 percent and his TD to INT average is 23.5 to 13. The guy was unreal prior to last year.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I'd still take Brees. Bulger has been known to be streaky. Palmer is pretty good, but I like Brees' moxie and he just strikes me as the guy I'd take off that list to head up my offense.

[desioreo87]

damnit i'm saying JC. its the homer response but the kid makes me real excited for next season, and then i watched the giants game highlights again and i was even more excited. So yea i vote JC.

but on a serious note, Brees in current form but McNabb over a career.

[ptr77]

I'd vote for Mcnabb hands down if he could just stay healthy.

For playing in a WCO his comp % leaves a lot to be desired. Only one year over 60%, and last year Eli manning was more accurate. Let that sink in, Eli Manning...

[FedExFielder]

Gotta go with Palmer, he's a Manning clone IMO

[taylorcoreskin]

For playing in a WCO his comp % leaves a lot to be desired. Only one year over 60%, and last year Eli manning was more accurate. Let that sink in, Eli Manning...

true. acccuracy was always donovan's weakness.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Gotta go with Palmer, he's a Manning clone IMO

I would say that Palmer has much better mobility but the same kind of passing skills.

[sableholic]

For playing in a WCO his comp % leaves a lot to be desired. Only one year over 60%, and last year Eli manning was more accurate. Let that sink in, Eli Manning...

I agree Mcnabb throws the best dirtball, but theres more to it than just that. All around if he stayed healthy, hes the best qb not named peyton manning or tom brady. That said, he doesn't and so he drops down in my rankings.

[Area51]

Carson Palmer has the most potential but if I were to pick a player to lead my team in '08 it would be Brees. He did an excellent job running that offense with a receiving core that had nobodys and I dont even know the name of their TE.

[DieHardWSHfan]

Well, Green has even better numbers up to last year. I mean, if we're just talking about numbers here, then I think it's gotta be Trent Green. Minus last year, going back to 2002, he's posted an average QB Rating of 92.6. He's averaged 4083 yards per season, holds an average Comp% of 63.3 percent and his TD to INT average is 23.5 to 13. The guy was unreal prior to last year.

Lol, sure, but we're talking about current QBs. If he isn't good NOW, then he's not good as far as the poll is concerned. A year ago, I would have completely agreed with you. But it's not a year ago. This is a what have you done for me lately league and both Palmer and Bulger have been consistently good year in and year out. No "with the exception of last year".

I must agree though, for somebody that old in the NFL, he was amazing. "Was" being the key word.

[DieHardWSHfan]

Sorry if you took my post the wrong way. I wasn't calling you out. I missed where you said you voted for Palmer. My Mistake. True, he gets all the attention, but I guess you can compare Bulger to say Phil Simms. Not spectacular, but not terrible either. Bulger also has Jackson to dump the ball off to. Palmer really doesn't have a good receiving RB or TE. Bulger always had good TE's and has McMichael this year. With your stats, you did prove that Bulger is just as good. Maybe it's intangables. OR like you said, popularity.

Lol, nah, I didn't mean to seem vengeful. It's kind of hard to portray emotions across the internet. I realized that you probably missed it because it was in the beginning instead of the meat of my arguement. Was just pointing it out so that I didn't seem like a hypocrit or something.

[Dirk Diggler]

Call me crazy but after Brady and Manning, I'd take Vince Young. Potential is as high as any QB drafted in the history of the game. As long as he doesn't get stars in his eyes and lose focus (ala Tony Romo) he should be God's gift to football.

Gimme a mature Vince Young and 52 average players, and I'll win you 11 games.

[Califan007]

I voted for Ramsey... :)

[taylorcoreskin]

I voted for Ramsey... :)

were you a ramsey fan califan007?

[Area51]

Call me crazy but after Brady and Manning, I'd take Vince Young. Potential is as high as any QB drafted in the history of the game. As long as he doesn't get stars in his eyes and lose focus (ala Tony Romo) he should be God's gift to football.

Gimme a mature Vince Young and 52 average players, and I'll win you 11 games.


While I do agree that he has great potential, I think that is a tad bit too much.

[DallasCowboyFan156]

Carson Palmer. I see Manning, Brady and Palmer to be in a whole different league when compared to the other quarterbacks.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lol, sure, but we're talking about current QBs. If he isn't good NOW, then he's not good as far as the poll is concerned. A year ago, I would have completely agreed with you. But it's not a year ago. This is a what have you done for me lately league and both Palmer and Bulger have been consistently good year in and year out. No "with the exception of last year".

I must agree though, for somebody that old in the NFL, he was amazing. "Was" being the key word.

I'm not certain how you can take this position if your going to view McNabb as a viable candidate. Not saying you are but the fact of the matter is that you don't know what Green will be. He was injured last year. That doesn't mean that he will be injured this year as well.

[Califan007]

were you a ramsey fan califan007?
LoL...I actually was, yeah. Still am, he was a class act while here. Seems like a sincerely great guy and I hope he finds success. :cheers:

*didn't reallly vote for him lol...

[taylorcoreskin]

LoL...I actually was, yeah. Still am, he was a class act while here. Seems like a sincerely great guy and I hope he finds success. :cheers:

*didn't reallly vote for him lol...

just for the record I was a ramsey fan too. I desperately wanted him to start for us in 05. :(


poor ramsey. we screwed him up.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

Carson Palmer

[eagleskins]

Drew Brees

[Siven]

just for the record I was a ramsey fan too. I desperately wanted him to start for us in 05. :(


poor ramsey. we screwed him up.


Ramsey is one of those few cases, where I think a team has actually taken a good player, and screwed them up so bad they suck.

[redskin faithful]

Right now I'd still have to say Brett Favre. He may be old but he still has what matters most....a heart that weighs a ton. If my team were playing in the Super Bowl, on a last minute drive and I had all of these QB's on my bench except for Peyton, Favre's the man. He has proved time and time again that he's CLUTCH. Even though he's past his prime he hasn't lost that quality that makes him one of the best of all time.

[Siven]

Right now I'd still have to say Brett Favre. He may be old but he still has what matters most....a heart that weighs a ton. If my team were playing in the Super Bowl, on a last minute drive and I had all of these QB's on my bench except for Peyton, Favre's the man. He has proved time and time again that he's CLUTCH. Even though he's past his prime he hasn't lost that quality that makes him one of the best of all time.

McNair is really, really clutch. I'd have to go with Palmer. He has the tools and weapons to get a Lombardi in Cincy.

[thespaniard]

Carson Palmer has the most potential but if I were to pick a player to lead my team in '08 it would be Brees. He did an excellent job running that offense with a receiving core that had nobodys and I dont even know the name of their TE.

I don't see how anyone could answer anything but Drew Brees after the season he had last year. I think a lot of you who are voting for McNabb would have been right 2 years ago, but it's just not true anymore until he proves he can be the same player he was again.

Drew Brees, much like McNabb, took a bunch of nobody receivers and tight ends and made them successful. When Colston and Horn went down, Brees still kept winning with Henderson and Copper. Brees also was able to win in San Diego with a bunch of nobodies at WR. He made Antonio Gates a household name.

So to me, the fact that he is able to be successful on two different teams (which someone else pointed out) with no big name WRs or TEs at either place shows me that he is indeed the #3 QB in the NFL right now. Palmer and Bulger both have tons of talent on their teams at WR, and haven't proved yet that they can be successful anywhere, through no fault of their own.

[GOSKINS_08]

Jason Campbell.:D

I voted for Carson Palmer, but Drew Brees is right behind him.

[SkinsFTW]

I voted Palmer but after this year I wouldn't be surprised if it was Rivers.

[taylorcoreskin]

Ramsey is one of those few cases, where I think a team has actually taken a good player, and screwed them up so bad they suck.

my thoughts exactly :(

[Hooper]

Someone said Favre. LMAO. Dude has been throwing the ball up for grabs the past three years. He's turned into a white Aaron Brooks.

I would say Palmer. And I've always thought Matt Hasselbeck was really underrated. He got hurt last year but in 2005 he was great.

[Hooper]

Ramsey is one of those few cases, where I think a team has actually taken a good player, and screwed them up so bad they suck.

I'm not completely sold on that theory. Ramsey simply has terrible football instincts. No poise, no pocket presence, does not see the field -- those things are really hard to learn. David Carr has the same problems.

[taylorcoreskin]

I'm not completely sold on that theory. Ramsey simply has terrible football instincts. No poise, no pocket presence, does not see the field -- those things are really hard to learn. David Carr has the same problems.

David Carr wasn't given an adequate supporting cast just as patrick wasn't :2cents:

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

David Carr wasn't given an adequate supporting cast just as patrick wasn't :2cents:

Patrick Ramsey just plain sucked :laugh:

[taylorcoreskin]

Patrick Ramsey just plain sucked :laugh:

there's a reason for his poor performance that goes beyond him.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

there's a reason for his poor performance that goes beyond him.

Yes, but he also couldnt step up and win the games like we needed him too. He just isnt good enough to be a starter, he has a good arm, but his head is what keeps him from succeeding

[taylorcoreskin]

Yes, but he also couldnt step up and win the games like we needed him too. He just isnt good enough to be a starter, he has a good arm, but his head is what keeps him from succeeding

it's not fair to rely on a guy to singlehandedly win a game :doh:


*especially when everyone around him is underperforming

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

it's not fair to rely on a guy to singlehandedly win a game :doh:


*especially when everyone around him is underperforming

its what the good QB's do.....which he isnt......and is why he currently is unemployed.....

[taylorcoreskin]

its what the good QB's do.....which he isnt......and is why he currently is unemployed.....

Those are unrealistic expectations for a young quarterback.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

Those are unrealistic expectations for a young quarterback.

He couldnt beat out Brunell......that says alot right there

[illone]

Someone said Favre. LMAO. Dude has been throwing the ball up for grabs the past three years. He's turned into a white Aaron Brooks.


:laugh: Yea, Aaron Brooks with a Superbowl ring.

:rolleyes:

[taylorcoreskin]

He couldnt beat out Brunell......that says alot right there


Neither could jason campbell. That doesn't mean that jason is a bad QB and it didn't mean that Patrick was a bad qb when he failed to see the field. Joe played a hand in Ramsey's misfortune.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Ramsey has always lacked pocket poise. He can't feel what's going on around him and he's not terribly accurate past mid range passes. He and Campbell are night and day in those areas.

[taylorcoreskin]

Ramsey has always lacked pocket poise. He can't feel what's going on around him and he's not terribly accurate past mid range passes. He and Campbell are night and day in those areas.


Pocket poise is a learned skill. It's something that can be developed. No one is innately relaxed when people are charging at them. The coaching staff thus failed to adequately develop Ramsey's "pocket poise".


As for accuracy, Jason was one of the least accurate QBs last year.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Pocket poise is a learned skill. It's something that can be developed. No one is innately relaxed when people are charging at them. The coaching staff thus failed to adequately develop Ramsey's "pocket poise".


As for accuracy, Jason was one of the least accurate QBs last year.




Pocket poise is NOT something that can be taught. Not in a case like Ramsey's. He was usually totally oblivious to what was going on right around him. That's why he got pounded into the dirt so hard so often.


I watched Campbell connect on quite a few long passes last year. He's not as inaccurate as you may think. Saunders' offense is a timing offense. A lot of throws are made to an area where the receiver WILL be, not where he already is. Anybody watching Campbell throw long and Ramsey throw long will tell you that Ramsey is a lot more inaccurate than Campbell.

Only blind Ramsey loyalists continue to blame everybody but Ramsey for his ineptitude. Wasn't he supposed to go on to be super great in NY? Yeah, he couldn't even beat out the young guy over there.

[taylorcoreskin]

Pocket poise is NOT something that can be taught. Not in a case like Ramsey's. He was usually totally oblivious to what was going on right around him. That's why he got pounded into the dirt so hard so often.


I watched Campbell connect on quite a few long passes last year. He's not as inaccurate as you may think. Saunders' offense is a timing offense. A lot of throws are made to an area where the receiver WILL be, not where he already is. Anybody watching Campbell throw long and Ramsey throw long will tell you that Ramsey is a lot more inaccurate than Campbell.

Only blind Ramsey loyalists continue to blame everybody but Ramsey for his ineptitude. Wasn't he supposed to go on to be super great in NY? Yeah, he couldn't even beat out the young guy over there.


No one is born with "pocket poise". The skill is learned through experience. It is learned. Not innate. Not inherited. Not passed on through the transfer of genes from a parent to their offspring. This is even applicable to Ramsey:rolleyes: .

Jason may have "connected" on a few long throws. But he also "disconnected" on 50% of his throws, some of which were long ones :doh:.

[ArmchairRedskin]

No one is born with "pocket poise". The skill is learned through experience. It is learned. Not innate. Not inherited. Not passed on through the transfer of genes from a parent to their offspring. This is even applicable to Ramsey:rolleyes: .

Jason may have "connected" on a few long throws. But he also "disconnected" on 50% of his throws, some of which were long ones :doh:.



Having an awareness of what is going on right around is a skill that can be honed, but you also have to have some form of it in the first place. I don't know why you're arguing that Ramsey had no pocket poise. A quick look at any film on him demonstrates this. You don't suddenly learn to feel the pocket in the NFL, you come through HS and college developing it. He rightly got pulled in 05 just for that reason. He was nearly decapitated because he has no sense of his surroundings. He just stood there looking downfield when most other guys would have slid around in the pocket some. Something that Campbell can do. He is pretty shifty back there and he can take off in traffic and come up with a nice little gain when he has to. Something Brunell also has done for us on few occasions.


Sure Campbell wasn't as accurate as you would like, but as I've said, he's in a timing offense and he has better long range accuracy than Ramsey. Ramsey overthrew his receivers 9 times out of 10. Another thing that a quick look at some film on Ramsey would highlight.

If you can't look at film on Ramsey, and then film on Campbell and come to the conclusion that Campbell is a better prospect than Ramsey ever was then I can't help you.

[SkinsFanMania]

Up till last year, it was probably Trent Green to be honest. Since the injuries last season, I'd say it's probably Palmer now. I know I'd take Palmer over Green and in truth, I'd take Palmer over Brady or Payton as well. If you put Palmer on New England or Indy, he would as impressive, if not more so, IMO then Brady or Palmer. JMO.

Palmer over Manning or Brady. What are you smokin'. Do you realize that Brady took a team with no receivers on it last season to the championship game. Brady is arguably one of the best ever. Manning is a close 2nd then its a tossup between Palmer and Brees.

[Who Del]

Isn't it funny that a discussion about third best QB in the league turned into a Patrick Ramsey discussion.

[Califan007]

its what the good QB's do.....which he isnt......and is why he currently is unemployed.....
No he's not...he's the #2 QB for the Broncos.

[Califan007]

Isn't it funny that a discussion about third best QB in the league turned into a Patrick Ramsey discussion.
There isn't a thread in the entire history of the internets that hasn't strayed from its original topic lol :laugh:...

[zoony]

I would have said Carson Palmer or Ben Roethlisburger, but neither has looked the same since their injuries.

What Ben lacks in pure ability he more than makes up for in pocket presence, field generalship, escapability, and making something out of nothing.

Palmer, prior to his injury, was quickly becoming the best pocket passer in the game.


As for right here, right now... who is the best QB in the NFL that is not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? I'd probably say Brees

[dfos81]

No one is born with "pocket poise". The skill is learned through experience. It is learned. Not innate. Not inherited. Not passed on through the transfer of genes from a parent to their offspring. This is even applicable to Ramsey:rolleyes: .

Jason may have "connected" on a few long throws. But he also "disconnected" on 50% of his throws, some of which were long ones :doh:.

So whats your point Ramsey is better than Campbell? I guess we'll see, ohh I forgot, :confused: no we won't b/c Ramsey doesn't even start :nutkick:
by the way Campbell has better pocket poise then alot of qbs in the league.

I know this is a stretch, but if I'm correct you guys will have to call me dfos the :fortune: teller and thread closer, well you don't have to but anyway.

I belive Campbell has alot of the same pocket characteristics as Tom Brady, he feels the pressure around him, he doesn't get sacked often, b/c of his good pocket awareness, and makes some tight spiraled throws.
If the Wr's get to those spots where Campbell is expecting him to be, you guys will also belive he is the next great Qb in this league. He also can feel the pressure and run for a 1st down.
I just belive he will be so much more in sync w/ his Wr's, Te's, and rb's. Saunders and players that have played under his tuteledge have always said, it takes 2years to learn this whole system, and get the timing of it down to a science.

heres to a great season for Campbell and the Redskins as a whole :cheers:

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I voted Drew Brees. Granted he has two very good RB's and had a great one in SD but he's never really had a premier WR and is still able to do what he has done. And what would Colston have done if someone else had picked him?

I would have actually voted for McNabb if he didn't get injured every year.

[SkinsFTW]

There isn't a thread in the entire history of the internets that hasn't strayed from its original topic lol :laugh:...


You're wrong there bud.

What about the "Paloffs is now" thread?

There are over a dozen pages all on the subject of the Paloffs. :2cents:

[Califan007]

You're wrong there bud.

What about the "Paloffs is now" thread?

There are over a dozen pages all on the subject of the Paloffs. :2cents:
Nah, over half of the first several pages was about whether Barney Rubble could kick Ed Norton's ass lol :laugh:...