Newman Eats Cheese: "I think we are a Super Bowl team"...and a "divided" team?!?"

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United, not divided, a goal for Cowboys
By JENNIFER FLOYD ENGEL
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

The Cowboys are going to figure it out eventually: When cornerback Terence Newman talks, listen.

He has an exceptionally good handle on this team, as a leader.

Take recently when, while goofing about season predictions, Newman delivered a pretty strong message on what needs to change for the Cowboys to be a legit championship contender.

"I'll tell you what, my goal is to reach the Super Bowl. I think we are a Super Bowl team," he said. "If we don't reach the Super Bowl, something is definitely wrong with this team because we definitely have the talent. We have the character guys. But the thing that I don't know is if we are ready to be together as one unit. We are kind of divided a little bit, I think."

Qualifiers such as "kind of," "a little bit" and "I think" quickly were followed by "not completely divided." He did not want to overstate anything. This is not a team on the verge of an Anchorman rumble.

What he believes is: Building a team at Valley Ranch remains very much a work in progress.

Divisiveness was a talking point for Newman in December, when he and his teammates were crumbling down the stretch. He noted there were certain Cowboys "pumping up themselves and doing a lot of that when the reality is they come out and just get abused." He noted a few of his teammates needed to stop talking and start playing.

A few listened. Most dismissed him.

A good many likely will ignore his latest call for unity.

What motivation could Newman have for lying? Or pot stirring?

He is one of the best players on the team. He is also hoping to sign a new contract. He is also a leader. What he's saying is, for this team to contend for a Super Bowl, players have to come together as a team.

So what divided them? And what can unite them?

"Guys aren't taking the initiative to go out and get to know everybody on the team. That is what I mean by divided," Newman said. "Some of the guys on the team don't know anything about some of the other guys on the team. They don't even communicate with each other, just because they are on different sides of the ball or what have you."

There are plenty of examples of pro sports teams where guys hated each other and won. This Cowboys team isn't one of them. It hasn't won a playoff game in forever. And while this season has a chance be different, every player will have pull on the rope for that to happen.

This is why coach Wade Phillips has been preaching "family atmosphere." He seems to be listening to Newman and taking steps to bring his team together.

He has worked to mend fences with T.O. and Julius Jones and any disgruntled players. He has juggled the locker room and talked with his leaders.

"We have to get to the point where everybody is communicating... even if it's just a little high five in the locker room or the hallway when you walk by each other," Newman said. "I think that will definitely improve the character and the overall family feeling of everybody on the team."

Let's hope this time everybody listens to Newman.

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There Goes The Neighborhoods
Mickey Spagnola - Email
DallasCowboys.com Columnist
July 12, 2007 6:04 PM
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?editorialAuthor=1&id=BCADD560-CE91-D848-EF0C8F073CEF2D07



The Cowboys have mixed up the locker room, putting offensive and defensive players together.

IRVING, Texas - Well, there goes the neighborhoods out here.

One of the Joneses has moved, Nate just down the ways a little from where he's resided for three years but Julius staying put.

The Davises have moved, too, big Leonard just around the corner and Keith a little ways down the line.

Terrell Owens has gone all the way over there to the far end but has gained some space and Tony Romo has a whole bunch of new neighbors who won't appreciate the commotion he creates.

And only a couple of guys have stayed put that I can tell, Roy Williams retaining his signed property still next to Aaron Glenn, who they probably figured is too old to pick up and move another time, and guys such as Jason Ferguson, Greg Ellis and Flozell Adams probably too set in their ways to pick up roots at this point in their careers.

Yes, the Cowboys locker room has been reshuffled out here at The Ranch, and it's somewhat of a dramatic and meaningful reshuffling since the housing concept has not changed since 1990. That's breaking a long-standing tradition of position segregation, what with the offensive players housed on the south side of the locker room and the defensive players over there to the north.

This desegregation comes from orders on high, new head coach Wade Phillips not just talking a good game of that "family atmosphere" he promised when sworn in as the Dallas Cowboys' new coach, but doing something tangible to promote camaraderie the best he can.

The head guy ordered the keepers of the locker room, equipment gurus Mike McCord, Bucky Buchanan, Mike Kurowski and Steve Mangus to shuffle the deck, and for the most part they randomly shuffled where the players' lockers would reside just after the final off-season practices back in mid-June.

Phillips is trying to break up the cliques, and this is not to suggest there were problems in this locker room between the blues and the whites, or that there was a lot of malicious position kibitzing taking place :doh: . He's just trying to establish , just trying to get guys to socialize with teammates who aren't in their position meetings or compete on their side of the ball.

McCord, who kind of randomly decided where everyone would move, said Phillips structured his locker room similarly at his other head coaching stops in Denver and Buffalo. To me, it makes perfect sense to have Leonard Davis next to Jason Ferguson and Julius Jones now next to Jacques Reeves and DeMarcus Ware next to Joe Berger.

Makes sense to move Romo over there away from the other quarterbacks and kickers to where more of the defensive backs and linebackers reside, and to move Bradie James down the line and around the corner to where more of the tight ends and wide receivers traditionally have been.
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And this might be a tad selfish and nothing to do with promoting brotherhood in the locker room, but thank goodness Owens now has an end spot. That way there is more space for us reporters when there's a good 30 people crowded in around one of his afternoon sessions that seem to go on and on.

Now to you guys, none of this might seem like a big deal, but in this game of football where one side of the ball might not be carrying its own weight, a mixed bag can be. See, I remember the old-timers in the game, mostly scouts, referring to a guy as someone who could "go to the other side of the room."

He meant, an offensive guy who would go over there to hang with the defensive guys or vice versa. Michael Irvin was one of those guys. He didn't see offense or defense. He didn't draw any lines. He was an equal-opportunity locker room guy, and if he had something to say to the defensive guys, Mike, well, he didn't hesitate. He had that kind of cred in the locker room, thus giving him command of the whole room.

Nate Newton was the same way. So was Charles Haley, but then I never knew Haley to be hesitant or feel a tad shy about anything - or saying anything. Anything to anybody! Darren Woodson could talk both sides of the floor.

The last thing you want in a locker room is a bunch of gossiping going on, one side accusing the other side of losing the game or games "for us." But when the players mingle, less of that takes place, thus the little sign Bill Parcells hung around the locker room warning about the downside of hanging around in little groups "and bitching."

And as McCord pointed out, part of Phillips' reasoning for doing this is putting players who must face each other in practice on a daily basis next to each other, thinking that might cut down the potential animosity competition tends to generate. They will almost be forced to talk to each other - to better get to know each other.

Now it sorta used to be this way before Jimmy Johnson arrived, but I do take a lot of liberty with "sorta." See, when the Cowboys first moved into The Ranch just before the start of the 1985 season, the locker room actually was segregated into quadrants - four separate groups of lockers, each cluster opening to the middle and walling off the outside world. Meaning, the guys in say quadrant No. 1 would have absolutely no contact with the guys in quadrant No. 4. There was an aisle down the middle and two quadrants on each side, with a separate opening to enter each. Players were sprinkled throughout.

So as reporters, we would spend the locker room hour constantly walking around, checking in each quadrant to see if the guy you were looking for was there. You couldn't tell unless you walked in, although, you always knew Ed "Too Tall" Jones was present in his quadrant since he always spent the noon hour sleeping, and I'm telling you, a guy that big, you didn't want to disrupt, by any means. You waited until he woke up, which usually was right when it was time for us to leave or when John Dutton and his booming voice arrived.

The best quadrant, well it was the one in the northwest corner. In there was Tony Dorsett, Everson Walls, I believe Michael Downs and Dexter Clinkscale, along with Ron Springs, and for some reason, Steve DeOssie, another noontime napper. As Springs recently recalled, that particular quadrant was affectionately called "The Ghetto," and somehow they put up with the Irish-Italian guy.

Well, that quad system prevailed the first year of Johnson's five-year reign, but just as training camp moved from Thousand Oaks, Calif., to Austin, Texas, the second year, the locker room configuration changed as soon as that 1-15 season ended. Johnson opened up the locker room - one big room, offense to one side defense to the other. Plus, in Jimmy's mind, if he needed to talk to the guys all at once, he now could. Or if he needed to make some sort of silent statement, like walking in there to stare at someone or some reporter or just look like he was peeved, everyone could see him at once. Jimmy was just as big at sending those subtle messages as Parcells was.

He loved to work the big room.

And the big room never changed, no matter if the head coach became Barry Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo or Parcells. Just the same.

Until now, now that the big room is a mixed bag, guys scattered here and there, instead of all the offensive linemen lined up together on the south side and the wide receivers clustered to the east and the defensive backs in that northwest corner and the defensive linemen in the northeast corner. And that, especially after La'Roi Glover departed, was the toughest corner, because the guys not being interviewed always made it tough on the guys who were. Some reporters just didn't bother going in there.

From my understanding, the players are fine with the change, and were told about the impending moves by Phillips in a team meeting. So it's not as if the reshuffling of the 70 locker stalls came as a surprise. (Some guys are doubled-up with 86 now on the roster.) This has been as is for about a month now, and really the gang won't be all here until returning from training camp to resume workouts around Aug. 11 or 12.

Hey, guys will be guys. They'll adapt. The hardest part might be on the assistants. They can't just walk in and go to a certain area of the locker room to find all their players. Now they'll have to scope the entire space. Same with the media. Got to relearn the locker room geography, but then no sense jumping to conclusions until the cut to 53. Only so many available bites remain in an aging mind.

But now at least we've got tangible evidence of a "difference" Phillips already has made, because you know the first question anyone asks these days is, "I hear there is a big difference around The Ranch now that Wade has taken over for Parcells?"

At least now I can quit saying, well, I'll let you know after the season opener, because I can definitely say he's changed the neighborhoods.

[DWinzit]

I kind of, well sort of think we are a Super Bowl team. Well, except for...:rolleyes:


On a good note, Uncle Wade played musical chairs with our lockers. He said it would make things more funner and let us meet new kids! Oh and he put the bad kid in the corner away from us good kids!:doh:

[TEK2000]

HAHA... scraping up everything we can to find negativity. :laugh:

[Fred Jones]

HAHA... scraping up everything we can to find negativity. :laugh:


One could look at this and say powder keg.

One could look at this and say Wade is creating a better environment for the players.


Generally, I don't think this is a good sign. Winning solves problems like this. Losing ignites the keg.

[bubba9497]

I always wondered what a puppet coach did to keep busy

redecorate the locker room :laugh:

[TEK2000]

One could look at this and say powder keg.

One could look at this and say Wade is creating a better environment for the players.


Generally, I don't think this is a good sign. Winning solves problems like this. Losing ignites the keg.

You are acting like the article said the players are fighting amongst each other...

[Riggo#44]

You are acting like the article said the players are fighting amongst each other...

Newman just said they were a divided team...so yeah, that would be a logical assumption...

[TEK2000]

Newman just said they were a divided team...so yeah, that would be a logical assumption...

Might want to read a little more than just what tr1 highlights for ya.....

[Fred Jones]

You are acting like the article said the players are fighting amongst each other...


1. That the coach had to rearrange the locker room and change a locker placement arrangement that had been in place since the second season of Jimmy Johnson tells me there is a problem.

2. Like Riggo said, they are a divided team. Also, he implies that the team lacks chemistry. He says guys are not taking the initative to go out and get to know one another.

3. Wade is preaching a family atmoshere because he see the problems.


Like I said before, winning solves many of these problems. However, get on an early losing streak and the keg could go up.

[TEK2000]

1. That the coach had to rearrange the locker room and change a locker placement arrangement that had been in place since the second season of Jimmy Johnson tells me there is a problem.

2. Like Riggo said, they are a divided team. Also, he implies that the team lacks chemistry. He says guys are not taking the initative to go out and get to know one another.

3. Wade is preaching a family atmoshere because he see the problems.


Like I said before, winning solves many of these problems. However, get on an early losing streak and the keg could go up.

Wade was preaching the "family atmosphere" statements in his press conference announcing that he was the new Cowboys head coach. So, yeah.... he saw the problems before he ever even met the players. :rolleyes:

WP wants a family atmosphere... SO, instead of having ALL defense guys with lockers together and ALL offense guys with lockers together... he mixed up the arrangement to get the players to know each other better.
(As if this is a bad thing)

Implies? you're going to make an argument from reading between the lines of what someone "implied" with what they said?

He said they aren't close and aren't all friends that hang out together and communicate frequently.... he's not saying that they are all against each other and don't like each other.

Like i said, scraping up everything to try to find something negative.


Divided to me would be like the Redskins Safety and CB coaches last season that didn't even have meetings together. The Safeties and CB's show up for practice running 2 different coverages because they hadn't met or even talked to each other about the coverage assignments.
Now that's what you call divided.

[Riggo#44]

Might want to read a little more than just what tr1 highlights for ya.....

And people wonder why Bubba keeps posting his famous picture:

http://www.aspencountry.com/aspen/assets/product_images/product_lib/31000-31999/31655.jpg

MAybe b/c it's true???

[Fred Jones]

Wade was preaching the "family atmosphere" statements in his press conference announcing that he was the new Cowboys head coach. So, yeah.... he saw the problems before he ever even met the players. :rolleyes:

WP wants a family atmosphere... SO, instead of having ALL defense guys with lockers together and ALL offense guys with lockers together... he mixed up the arrangement to get the players to know each other better.
(As if this is a bad thing)

Implies? you're going to make an argument from reading between the lines of what someone "implied" with what they said?

He said they aren't close and aren't all friends that hang out together and communicate frequently.... he's not saying that they are all against each other and don't like each other.

Like i said, scraping up everything to try to find something negative.


Divided to me would be like the Redskins Safety and CB coaches last season that didn't even have meetings together. The Safeties and CB's show up for practice running 2 different coverages because they hadn't met or even talked to each other about the coverage assignments.
Now that's what you call divided.


1. Second season of T.O. So far silence, but training camp is just around the corner.

2. I have read enough of the articles that TR posts to determine that the puke press write about anything especially feel good stories. I have not read any feel good chemistry stories and then I hear Williams commenting about the lack of friendships forming. Yes, I only read stories that TR posts because TR is usually pretty thorough and I dont' have time to research them myself.

3. Wade comes in preaching family atmosphere. Family atmosphere doesn't win games. Club Wade doesn't win games.

4. As I have said, winning brings players together and losing separates them. Good team chemistry gets teams over the humps that occur during the season. Obviously, you see good team chemistry, but I don't.

Edit: Reference the skins, the coaching staff lost a position coach this past off-season because he didn't have good chemistry with his players. That was not the only reason, but it was one of them.

[pjfootballer]

This could reek havoc with the equipment man. Romo could be wearing Flozell's underwear or T.O. could end up with Ware's cleats.

[bubba9497]

Romo could be wearing Flozell's underwear .


:stop:


I didn't need that image right before supper

:puke:

[TEK2000]

2. I have read enough of the articles that TR posts to determine that the puke press write about anything especially feel good stories. I have not read any feel good chemistry stories and then I hear Williams commenting about the lack of friendships forming. Yes, I only read stories that TR posts because TR is usually pretty thorough and I dont' have time to research them myself.

You're still getting a very narrow scope of the articles written. Cowboys fans in the DFW area (like myself) were very irrititated by the sportsradio hosts and writers covering the Cowboys last season. Even before December when the Cowboys stunk it up, the Dallas media was constantly negative and ridiculing the team.


3. Wade comes in preaching family atmosphere. Family atmosphere doesn't win games. Club Wade doesn't win games.

Of course it doesn't on its own. But creating a family atmosphere and better unity among the team certainly helps. Having a more unified team is obviously better than having a team in turmoil, unified, and arguing among each other.


4. As I have said, winning brings players together and losing separates them. Good team chemistry gets teams over the humps that occur during the season. Obviously, you see good team chemistry, but I don't.

I'm not saying its great chemistry, all I'm saying is that its not teammates fighting each other or hating each other like what it appears that some gathered from the article. All that Newman is saying is that he thinks the TEAM needs to communicate and be more of friends and unified than they currently are.

[dfos81]

HAHA... scraping up everything we can to find negativity. :laugh:

Who said it was a negative?

Newman is the guy that seems to feel like the players are divided, we just read what was said.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. Mostly because I like to repeat it.


Mark Schlereth said once Dan Reeves left (he was a taskmaster much like Parcells) that Wade's summer camp attitude made the guys slack off. They were happier, yet lazier. That lead down a slippery slope and what was a talented team dropped off and didn't find their way again until Shanahan came in.

That's a guy from the locker room giving you an inside look. It's not just scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to find anything negative, it's what they call a "precedent"

[TEK2000]

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. Mostly because I like to repeat it.


Mark Schlereth said once Dan Reeves left (he was a taskmaster much like Parcells) that Wade's summer camp attitude made the guys slack off. They were happier, yet lazier. That lead down a slippery slope and what was a talented team dropped off and didn't find their way again until Shanahan came in.

That's a guy from the locker room giving you an inside look. It's not just scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to find anything negative, it's what they call a "precedent"

Your comments from Schlereth are something that wasn't from the article. My comments were based on the responses to the article.

So, doesn't really apply to the "scraping" comment I made.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Your comments from Schlereth are something that wasn't from the article. My comments were based on the responses to the article.

So, doesn't really apply to the "scraping" comment I made.




It applies to Wade changing the locker room. At least I think it does.

Either way I just wanted to put that out there again. It's one of my favorite things to post about the Cowboys next to Romo = Grossman.


Come on TEK, work with me a little :laugh:

[Jeremiah_Johnson]

I'm just happy he didn't say.........."I just want to improve on our 5 win season"........

[pjfootballer]

Newman + Cheese = Limberger.

[HeHateMe]

Darn it!

I hate when players think they have a good team.

It's always a bad thing.

[Riggo#44]

Darn it!

I hate when players think they have a good team.

It's always a bad thing.

Yeah b/c Jon Kitna saying they are going to win 10 games was so well received and thought out.

I was really impressed with Newman's courage of his convictions "well, we're kinda sorta a good team and well kinda sorta divided...sorta"

[HeHateMe]

Yeah b/c Jon Kitna saying they are going to win 10 games was so well received and thought out.

I was really impressed with Newman's courage of his convictions "well, we're kinda sorta a good team and well kinda sorta divided...sorta"

Playoff team who has improved themselves from last season vs. team that has won 21 games TOTAL since 2001?

Alrighty then.

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Hmmmm...any objective reader would say that there was some back-biting last year...especially between defense and offense. I'd suspect it was at the end of the year, when the pukes backed into the playoffs and the defense was really stinking it up.

But, no, if puke fans on ES want to believe TO was handing out cupcakes to everyone on the team late last year, then please, continue on with your fantasies.

:laugh:

[Riggo#44]

Playoff team who has improved themselves from last season vs. team that has won 21 games TOTAL since 2001?

Alrighty then.

:laugh: Alright if we're going to be honest, playoff team who backed into the playoffs losing to said team w/ 21 wins since 2001, with a new, highly questionable coach, a new highly questionable OC, questionable QB situation, questionable O-Line situation, questionable secondary. Who collapsed in December for the fifth straight year.

And the only thing the Cowboys fans have to point to improvements are "Ken Hamlin" and a "new defensive system"

[pjfootballer]

I team that won 21 games since 2001.....And still managed to beat the Pukes in their own toilet bowl.

[HeHateMe]

:laugh: Alright if we're going to be honest, playoff team who backed into the playoffs losing to said team w/ 21 wins since 2001, with a new, highly questionable coach, a new highly questionable OC, questionable QB situation, questionable O-Line situation, questionable secondary. Who collapsed in December for the fifth straight year.

And the only thing the Cowboys fans have to point to improvements are "Ken Hamlin" and a "new defensive system"

The day you, or anyone else starts grouping Dallas with Detroit, is the day that individual loses all credibility.

[HeHateMe]

I team that won 21 games since 2001.....And still managed to beat the Pukes in their own toilet bowl.

Even blind squirrels find nuts.

[pjfootballer]

Even blind squirrels find nuts.

Lions are squirrels and Cowboys are the Nuts? :D

[bubba9497]

Even blind squirrels find nuts.


unless your Tony Romo holding for place kicks

[D-Day]

Even blind squirrels find nuts.

Including playoffs the last two years.

The Redskins squirrel is 4 for the last six

The Dallas squirrel is 1 of the last 5

Me thinks THE DAN equipped skippy the redskins squirrel with sonar.

[HeHateMe]

Including playoffs the last two years.

The Redskins squirrel is 4 for the last six

The Dallas squirrel is 1 of the last 5

Me thinks THE DAN equipped skippy the redskins squirrel with sonar.

And before that?

[MLSKINS]

unless your Tony Romo holding for place kicks
Man if the Cowboys don't win a Super Bowl with Romo we can talk about this forever. :laugh: :laugh:

[Riggo#44]

Even blind squirrels find nuts.

yeah like the Cardinals in 1998?! :laugh:
That still has to hurt...

...and shocker Cowboys fans talking about finding nuts :laugh:

[Bacon]

The day you, or anyone else starts grouping Dallas with Detroit, is the day that individual loses all credibility.

Wins in the 00's:

Detroit - 33
Dallas - 49

That's, what? 2.5 more wins per year? I wouldn't strut too confidently. If they suck, you're below average at best. Try again. :dallasuck

[TEK2000]

Wins in the 00's:

Detroit - 33
Dallas - 49

That's, what? 2.5 more wins per year? I wouldn't strut too confidently. If they suck, you're below average at best. Try again. :dallasuck

Something I didn't realize....

Dallas and Washington have the same exact record from 2000 - 2006.

49 wins 63 losses

[HeHateMe]

Something I didn't realize....

Dallas and Washington have the same exact record from 2000 - 2006.

49 wins 63 losses

Beat me to it.

Thanks though. :)

[HeHateMe]

Wins in the 00's:

Detroit - 33
Dallas - 49

That's, what? 2.5 more wins per year? I wouldn't strut too confidently. If they suck, you're below average at best. Try again. :dallasuck

See above post.

[Birdlives]

Something I didn't realize....

Dallas and Washington have the same exact record from 2000 - 2006.

49 wins 63 losses

You're way too late, I've been pointing out this record for weeks now.

The differences being that the Redskins fans can accept their team as currently being only a step above Detriot while cowboys fans live in a delusional fantasy that their team has been better than the Skins in the 00's when in reality they're in the exact same boat.

Oh, that, and the fact that the Redskins, as you well know, have actually won a playoff game in that timeframe. But hey, whatever makes you and HHM feel better.

And in case you were wondering, the Redskins are 73-86-1 in the last 10 years. The cowboys? 73-87. The difference? The Redskins also have a divsion title and 2 playoff wins to their name while the cowboys have won neither since.

10 years of mediocrity for both teams. Face it, neither team has anything to pride themselves on right now. The only difference is your last run of greatness came on the heels of our last run of greatness making it more recent. Whoop-dee-doo. Funny to me that cowboys fans think they have anything to crow about.

Oh yeah, I forgot, 5 world titles to our, umm, 5 world titles.

8 title game appearances to our, umm, 11 title game appearances.

A nice run in the 60's and 70's to catch up to us, but in the end both franchises are in the conversation as top teams, along with the Bears, Packer, 49er's, and Steelers. Nothing more. But like I said, whatever helps you sleep at night.

[TEK2000]

You're way too late, I've been pointing out this record for weeks now.

The differences being that the Redskins fans can accept their team as currently being only a step above Detriot while cowboys fans live in a delusional fantasy that their team has been better than the Skins in the 00's when in reality they're in the exact same boat.

Oh, that, and the fact that the Redskins, as you well know, have actually won a playoff game in that timeframe. But hey, whatever makes you and HHM feel better.

And in case you were wondering, the Redskins are 73-86-1 in the last 10 years. The cowboys? 73-87. The difference? The Redskins also have a divsion title and 2 playoff wins to their name while the cowboys have won neither since.

10 years of mediocrity for both teams. Face it, neither team has anything to pride themselves on right now. The only difference is your last run of greatness came on the heels of our last run of greatness making it more recent. Whoop-dee-doo. Funny to me that cowboys fans think they have anything to crow about.

Oh yeah, I forgot, 5 world titles to our, umm, 5 world titles.

8 title game appearances to our, umm, 11 title game appearances.

A nice run in the 60's and 70's to catch up to us, but in the end both franchises are in the conversation as top teams, along with the Bears, Packer, 49er's, and Steelers. Nothing more. But like I said, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Why do so many of you Redskins fans act as if 1 person speaks for ALL Cowboys fans? Someone posts something on the forum and you guys just run with it and group the whole Cowboys fan base in with that person's opinion.

I also love how the Redskins fans always try to limit the conversation to the past 10 years. Its so transparent.

Took you guys 23 more years than us to get those 5 World Titles. Good job. Give someone enough time and they'll actually have success through so many tries.

You left something out.

Redskins record vs Cowboys: 33-55-2

[HeHateMe]

You're way too late, I've been pointing out this record for weeks now.

The differences being that the Redskins fans can accept their team as currently being only a step above Detriot while cowboys fans live in a delusional fantasy that their team has been better than the Skins in the 00's when in reality they're in the exact same boat.

Oh, that, and the fact that the Redskins, as you well know, have actually won a playoff game in that timeframe. But hey, whatever makes you and HHM feel better.

And in case you were wondering, the Redskins are 73-86-1 in the last 10 years. The cowboys? 73-87. The difference? The Redskins also have a divsion title and 2 playoff wins to their name while the cowboys have won neither since.

10 years of mediocrity for both teams. Face it, neither team has anything to pride themselves on right now. The only difference is your last run of greatness came on the heels of our last run of greatness making it more recent. Whoop-dee-doo. Funny to me that cowboys fans think they have anything to crow about.

Oh yeah, I forgot, 5 world titles to our, umm, 5 world titles.

8 title game appearances to our, umm, 11 title game appearances.

A nice run in the 60's and 70's to catch up to us, but in the end both franchises are in the conversation as top teams, along with the Bears, Packer, 49er's, and Steelers. Nothing more. But like I said, whatever helps you sleep at night.

The way some Skins fans around here speak of that single playoff victory over a mediocre Tampa team, you'd think it was a Super Bowl victory.

[borninblood]

I totally understand what he is saying.
He is just stating that if it were not for their divided ranks they would be a contender.
They have the talent, they are just not meshing together as a unit.

Wait a minute... Did I just stand up for a Cowboy?
Someone please knock the sense back into me...

[Birdlives]

Why do so many of you Redskins fans act as if 1 person speaks for ALL Cowboys fans? Someone posts something on the forum and you guys just run with it and group the whole Cowboys fan base in with that person's opinion.

I also love how the Redskins fans always try to limit the conversation to the past 10 years. Its so transparent.

Took you guys 23 more years than us to get those 5 World Titles. Good job. Give someone enough time and they'll actually have success through so many tries.

You left something out.

Redskins record vs Cowboys: 33-55-2

You haven't been here long enough to make such statements. More than 1 cowboys fan plays the superiority card around here. But again, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Bottom line, we've both been miserable for a while. Neither franchise should feel good about themselves. As for the head-to-head record, if that makes you feel better then go with it. In the end the NFL isn't about who does well in the regular season, it's about winning championships.

[Birdlives]

The way some Skins fans around here speak of that single playoff victory over a mediocre Tampa team, you'd think it was a Super Bowl victory.

Considering it's the pinnacle for both franchises over the past ten years you can take it for whatever you want. My point remains the same, both franchises have sucked for a while. The superiority game gets old in light of that.

[borninblood]

So true... We need one bad..

[Bacon]

Considering it's the pinnacle for both franchises over the past ten years you can take it for whatever you want. My point remains the same, both franchises have sucked for a while. The superiority game gets old in light of that.

Agreed. And guess what; the only thing that matters is what both teams accomplish in the upcoming year. Last year was irrelevant. Too many teams have sucked one year and been great the next for me to stop believing in my team over one 5-11 season. :point2sky

[Birdlives]

The only difference is your last run of greatness came on the heels of our last run of greatness making it more recent. Whoop-dee-doo.


I also love how the Redskins fans always try to limit the conversation to the past 10 years. Its so transparent.



This game has been played ad nauseum well before you showed up, hence the answer to your response before you responded. Thanks for playing.

[TEK2000]

You haven't been here long enough to make such statements. More than 1 cowboys fan plays the superiority card around here. But again, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Bottom line, we've both been miserable for a while. Neither franchise should feel good about themselves. As for the head-to-head record, if that makes you feel better then go with it. In the end the NFL isn't about who does well in the regular season, it's about winning championships.

You're the one rattling off with all these comparisons... then you act like there's only 1 thing that matters.

Nice weaseling there Bird.

[Birdlives]

You're the one rattling off with all these comparisons... then you act like there's only 1 thing that matters.



Nice weaseling there Bird.

By the way you post I wonder if you understand english, much less bother to read through posts in here.

Nice spin there. You know what my original point was whether you admit it or not. Other have reading comprehension skills as well. But it still comes down to the bare facts that Redskins fans have accepted but cowboys fans continue to delude themselves about.

[HeHateMe]

By the way you post I wonder if you understand english, much less bother to read through posts in here.

Nice spin there. You know what my original point was whether you admit it or not. Other have reading comprehension skills as well. But it still comes down to the bare facts that Redskins fans have accepted but cowboys fans continue to delude themselves about.

Everyone wears the rose-colored glasses Birdman.

Not just Dallas fans.

[TEK2000]

By the way you post I wonder if you understand english, much less bother to read through posts in here.

Nice spin there. You know what my original point was whether you admit it or not. Other have reading comprehension skills as well. But it still comes down to the bare facts that Redskins fans have accepted but cowboys fans continue to delude themselves about.

I guess we can argue your way.

You're stupid and can't read. I WIN!!

And you're still grouping all cowboys fans into one opinion.

[Birdlives]

I guess we can argue your way.

You're stupid and can't read. I WIN!!

And you're still grouping all cowboys fans into one opinion.

:rolleyes:

Again, and for the last time, my point remains the same. If you dont get it by now, you never will. But hey, I see pointless quips make you feel good, so feel free to keep on tossing them out. ;)

[TEK2000]

:rolleyes:

Again, and for the last time, my point remains the same. If you dont get it by now, you never will. But hey, I see pointless quips make you feel good, so feel free to keep on tossing them out. ;)

I get your point exactly... but you try to make the point that "neither team can brag" and then follow that up with a bunch of crap about championship appearances.

I replied to your crap. Don't act like you made 1 small point in that entire post... you made it a point to gather a bunch of stuff to brag about when "neither team can brag".

Then you run around acting like everyone is too stupid to see right through all of your BS.

[borninblood]

Fight Fight Fight!!!!!! :munchout:

[Riggo#44]

The way some Skins fans around here speak of that single playoff victory over a mediocre Tampa team, you'd think it was a Super Bowl victory.

I guess the same way Cowboys fans treat a mediocre 9-7 and playoff loss the same way.

[tr1]

You're way too late, I've been pointing out this record for weeks now.

The differences being that the Redskins fans can accept their team as currently being only a step above Detriot while cowboys fans live in a delusional fantasy that their team has been better than the Skins in the 00's when in reality they're in the exact same boat.

Oh, that, and the fact that the Redskins, as you well know, have actually won a playoff game in that timeframe. But hey, whatever makes you and HHM feel better.

And in case you were wondering, the Redskins are 73-86-1 in the last 10 years. The cowboys? 73-87. The difference? The Redskins also have a divsion title and 2 playoff wins to their name while the cowboys have won neither since.

10 years of mediocrity for both teams. Face it, neither team has anything to pride themselves on right now. The only difference is your last run of greatness came on the heels of our last run of greatness making it more recent. Whoop-dee-doo. Funny to me that cowboys fans think they have anything to crow about.

Oh yeah, I forgot, 5 world titles to our, umm, 5 world titles.

8 title game appearances to our, umm, 11 title game appearances.

A nice run in the 60's and 70's to catch up to us, but in the end both franchises are in the conversation as top teams, along with the Bears, Packer, 49er's, and Steelers. Nothing more. But like I said, whatever helps you sleep at night.

And the difference is? Fan reaction on ES: puke fans gloat, Skins fans pause, reflect and hope.

Nice post Birdlives.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Fan reaction on ES: puke fans gloat, Skins fans pause, reflect and hope.
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Ohhh my lord. Skins fans pause, reflect and hope. You have to be f'n kiddin me man.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Ohhh my lord. Skins fans pause, reflect and hope. You have to be f'n kiddin me man.



Dude, I'm reflecting right now! WTF?

[tr1]

Ohhh my lord. Skins fans pause, reflect and hope. You have to be f'n kiddin me man.

95.1 :excited:

Need I say more?

[Birdlives]

Ohhh my lord. Skins fans pause, reflect and hope. You have to be f'n kiddin me man.


Dude, I'm reflecting right now! WTF?


THA,

There is no doubt that I'm pausing and hoping as we speak.

Reflectfully,

Birdlives

[Riggo#44]

Ohhh my lord. Skins fans pause, reflect and hope. You have to be f'n kiddin me man.

Well, there is a reason the Dali Lama (big hitter the Lama, by the way) wears burgundy and gold:

http://www.praguepost.com/galleries/dali-lama/images/DalaiLama_5362-rj.jpg

[PC84]

Well, there is a reason the Dali Lama (big hitter the Lama, by the way) wears burgundy and gold:

http://www.praguepost.com/galleries/dali-lama/images/DalaiLama_5362-rj.jpg

Well...I guess that's something to be proud of...