Cowboys [Pukes] better off without Parcells? Prove it

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By JENNIFER FLOYD ENGEL
http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/171434.html

Big Bill had to go.

He had to take his big, demanding, negative butt elsewhere for this Cowboys team to contend for a Super Bowl. Or so a good hunk of his former players would have you believe.

Most recent in this long line of Cowboys with sudden honesty syndrome is Patrick Crayton. The normally affable and low-key receiver surprised me Monday by calling Big Bill’s departure “a much needed change at the top.”

And that was one of the kinder things he had to say.

His “why” sounded a lot like many of his teammates’ criticisms of Coach Parcells. Too negative. Too many naughty words. Too tight of a leash on both sides of the ball. Too few results. Too long of a stay.

What they all are basically saying is the Cowboys are better without Big Bill.

Crazy, right? I certainly think so.

Mark me down as not giving a flying Fig Newton if Big Bill was a lousy Suzy Sunshine and if every day at Valley Ranch failed to feel like Christmas and if players were not living a Hallmark commercial. This is an NFL franchise, not a self-esteem camp.

Just win, baby.

Nor am I convinced Big Bill is the only reason the Cowboys failed to do so in his tenure.

What was obvious after listening to Crayton lob verbal grenade after verbal grenade at Parcells and coaching compadres such as Todd Haley is a decent number of players almost exclusively blame Big Bill.

This is fine. Players are entitled to their opinions.

But if they insist Big Bill was the big problem, they had better be prepared to be a part of the solution. And, yes, this is a “they.” Crayton’s was the latest verbal swipe at Parcells, not the only.

Such unpleasantries began with a couple of players sniping almost immediately upon his departure, whispers really amid a cacophony of warm fuzzies. But the farther Parcells has traveled from Valley Ranch the louder the cries of BWBB or “Better Without Big Bill” have grown.

Julius Jones blames his former coach for failing to take advantage of holes and has hinted at bigger results without him in his ear.

Roy Willy blames Parcells for his failure, period.

Big Bill is the reason why so few defensive linemen registered sacks, why the D collapsed in December, why they lost the playoff game in Seattle, why they did not win squat in four seasons, why the fun had been sucked out of Valley Ranch.

“You don’t enjoy going in to work every morning,” Crayton said. “It got to a point where we had fun on the field at times, and then there were other times when you dreaded going into Valley Ranch.”

There used to be a time when such talk was ludicrous and blasphemous.

Certain media types were tattooing “Trust In Big Bill” on their butts, and this one is still trying to decide what to do with her ink. Everybody believes he was going to save the franchise by sheer force of his iron will.

You do not bring Bill Parcells in to be Oprah.

What the Cowboys needed was a butt kicker after ultimate good guy Dave Campo exited. They needed a coach capable of whip-cracking, a guy with his fair quotient of mean, a Big Bill.

And he was exactly as advertised.

He tried to warn us way back when. He’s not for everybody. His style only works if his team is winning and winning big and his way has a shelf life, even then.

The Cowboys did not win. And Big Bill walked away.

And with training camp a week away in Santonio, we are being told this change is all that stands between the Cowboys and a championship.

They believe they are warm, fuzzy and perky away from Super Bowl XLII.

Silly me, I thought what was missing was a butt-kicking defense.

Of course, I’m a little skeptical anyway. I remember hearing a lot of this happy-happy, joy-joy in Rangers spring training. They were spouting how ditching Buck Showalter had turned them into a Brady Bunch episode.

Everybody was happy. Ws were sure to follow.

We know how that ends.

What the Cowboys are going to learn is what the Rangers did: Happy does not erase poor pitching and it will not compensate for an inability to pressure the quarterback or “ish” play from Tony Romo.

This is not to say the Cowboys will not be BWBB. They very well may be, but it will not be simply because Parcells exited the building. It will be because guys such as Crayton and Julius and Roy Willy play better.

My only hope is if the Cowboys are not BWBB that they are as willing to heap blame on themselves as they were on Parcells.

[DallasSucks19922010]

yeah because wade phillips is a hall of famer with a couple superbowls under his belt. im not saying parcells was the best coach ever but hes been a winner wherever he went and if this team is still a playoff team, its because of bill parcells molding that team.

[HeHateMe]

But I thought it was Parcells the choker that was the problem, tr?

[tr1]

But I thought it was Parcells the choker that was the problem, tr?

I may have said I disliked Parcells, but I always respected him...more so than most of his players, apparently.

[bubba9497]

But I thought it was Parcells the choker that was the problem, tr?



no the poke player chokers :)

[Jeeb]

you know how this could be proven? shutting up until the season and watching the games, not picking out every negative thing written in almost every article about the cowboys.

and by the way I'm not a cowboys fan.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Hopefully Wade can do something BP never did in Dallas. Win in the postseason.

[Bacon]

Hopefully Wade can do something BP never did in Dallas. Win in the postseason.

:laugh: Under Phillips, you guys will never even get to the postseason. (And I sincerely hope you're kidding about him excelling in the postseason, because his 0-3 postseason record isn't exactly convincing :silly: )

Furthermore, it wasn't "Bill Parcells the choker" that prevented you guys from getting anywhere meaningful; your team wasn't even good enough to get to a game worth choking in. :doh:

[bubba9497]

yeah Wade has a history of playoff success

[THEHEREAFTER]

yeah Wade has a history of playoff success

Who said he did? :rolleyes: Hopefully he CREATES history and does something he's never done before?

[THEHEREAFTER]

:laugh: Under Phillips, you guys will never even get to the postseason.

If you're willing to bet on this shoot me a PM asap.




(And I sincerely hope you're kidding about him excelling in the postseason, because his 0-3 postseason record isn't exactly convincing :silly: )

Who said anything about him excelling in the postseason? I said hopefully he can win in the postseason in Dallas. Something Parcells has never done.

Furthermore, it wasn't "Bill Parcells the choker" that prevented you guys from getting anywhere meaningful; your team wasn't even good enough to get to a game worth choking in. :doh:

Why quote my statement that mentions nothing about this?

[Bacon]

If you're willing to bet on this shoot me a PM asap.


1. Judging from past tenures, I'm not sold that Phillips will even be with you for very long.

2. I'm not sold that your team is good enough to reach post season. Is that such a crime? I'm betting 9-7 this year, same as the Skins. We'll see, but I'm not confident.

Who said anything about him excelling in the postseason? I said hopefully he can win in the postseason in Dallas. Something Parcells has never done.

If you're going to hope, you might as well hope for just a winning season, because, if we're speaking logically here (based on past success, or lack thereof, which, to be fair, isn't always a solid indication), a Wade-coached Dallas team has a significantly worse chance of doing anything in the postseason than a Parcells-coached Dallas team would.

Why quote my statement that mentions nothing about this?

Sorry about that. I was referring to HeHateMe's post a couple of spots up.

[THEHEREAFTER]

1. Judging from past tenures, I'm not sold that Phillips will even be with you for very long.

2. I'm not sold that your team is good enough to reach post season. Is that such a crime? I'm betting 9-7 this year, same as the Skins. We'll see, but I'm not confident.

If you're willing to bet me that Dallas will not even make the postseason, which is what you previously said, shoot me a PM so we can come up with something.



If you're going to hope, you might as well hope for just a winning season, because, if we're speaking logically here (based on past success, or lack thereof, which, to be fair, isn't always a solid indication), a Wade-coached Dallas team has a significantly worse chance of doing anything in the postseason than a Parcells-coached Dallas team would.

All Wade has to do is win 1 postseason game in Dallas to surpass Parcells. I doubt we never win again in the postseason.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Honestly, camp Wade reminds me of two things as a 'skins fan:

Redskins 2000 with Norv and all that talent thinking they were just gonna roll into the postseason.

And even more so, Spurrier's first year after Marty.... we all "just needed a change" and "Marty was a good coach, but it wasn't fun playing for him"

It will be interesting. I think the jury is out, but we will see soon enough... let the games begin already

[THEHEREAFTER]

Honestly, camp Wade reminds me of two things as a 'skins fan:

Redskins 2000 with Norv and all that talent thinking they were just gonna roll into the postseason.

Skins fans come up with some goofy comparisons. Norv has a horrific record as a head coach whereas Wade is above .500. That 2000 skins team was literally a circus from the open training camp to the overpriced and too old free agents. It serves as the model for hype and a joke off-season.

And even more so, Spurrier's first year after Marty.... we all "just needed a change" and "Marty was a good coach, but it wasn't fun playing for him"

Spurrier had zero nfl experience, a flawed offensive scheme and didn't even know how to run a legit NFL practice session. Furthermore, Marty finished the prior year strong going 8-3 down the stretch.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Skins fans come up with some goofy comparisons. Norv has a horrific record as a head coach whereas Wade is above .500. That 2000 skins team was literally a circus from the open training camp to the overpriced and too old free agents. It serves as the model for hype and a joke off-season.



Spurrier had zero nfl experience, a flawed offensive scheme and didn't even know how to run a legit NFL practice session. Furthermore, Marty finished the prior year strong going 8-3 down the stretch.

Hey man, I'm just saying that the sentiment in both camps is the same. If you really can't see the similarities between an authoritative domineering coach leaving the skins for a more laid back coach, and an authoritative domineering coach leaving the girls for a more laid back coach... then whatever.

[Bacon]

If you're willing to bet me that Dallas will not even make the postseason, which is what you previously said, shoot me a PM so we can come up with something.

Sent. ;)

Anyone else want to join in on this? I personally think a thread would be better, but I'm just feeling ballsy today; I think the average forum member would have the brains to wait until after training camp to make judgments like this. :laugh:

[paloosa]

I saw this and I said to myself, " look at these three crybaby's and what makes them think that they are so good that Bill held them back. Look at Patrick Crayton's College stats for 2002 and 2003:
2002
http://www.nwosu.edu/athletic/FOOTBALL/archives/2002/2002%20football%20stats.pdf.
2003
http://www.nwosu.edu/athletic/FOOTBALL/archives/2003/Final%202003%20Stats.pdf.

He only had one good year out of the 2 years he played but hasn't equated to a big star in Dallas as of yet. Very versitile but hasn't exactly been a hall of famer or made a big impact. Now look at Juluis Jones's stats from college and pro's:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/JoneJu01.htm.

So if Bill hed him back in Dallas then who held him back in College? He has similar stats in college and in the NFL. So what happened to him in 2002? Couldn't find anything about him whether he was injured or not. If he is such a instinct runner and was the back he claims he would have had better stats in College.

Now for Roy Williams. He is the only one of the three that did anything in college and the pros but couldn't find any stats on him from college. He played on a very good Oklahoma team that had a lot of good corners so he never had to rely on his coverage skills which are very suspect especially when Santana Moss blew right by him for two TD's in that comeback win a few years ago. He has had the same stats every year in the NFL with a few + or - in the INT category. So why is he complaining? If he was hindered by Bill Parcells then he would have up and down stats instead of consistent stats.
They may think they are better off without Bill Parcells but wait to they are the same mediocre team under Wade Phillips. Who are they going to blame then? Wade will be gone in three years or less.

[Fred Jones]

Norv and SS are good examples of coaches that created a laid back environment that didn't work.

Marty was harsh, but he won games.

[TEK2000]

Sent. ;)

Anyone else want to join in on this? I personally think a thread would be better, but I'm just feeling ballsy today; I think the average forum member would have the brains to wait until after training camp to make judgments like this. :laugh:

I guess if you're unsure about your team then that applies to the "average fan".

[ExoDus84]

Norv and SS are good examples of coaches that created a laid back environment that didn't work.

Marty was harsh, but he won games.

Well said. Look what he did down in SD. I can't believe they fired him after a 13-3 season. Ridiculous.

We should have kept him longer than 1 season.

[TEK2000]

I saw this and I said to myself, " look at these three crybaby's and what makes them think that they are so good that Bill held them back. Look at Patrick Crayton's College stats for 2002 and 2003:
2002
http://www.nwosu.edu/athletic/FOOTBALL/archives/2002/2002%20football%20stats.pdf.
2003
http://www.nwosu.edu/athletic/FOOTBALL/archives/2003/Final%202003%20Stats.pdf.

He only had one good year out of the 2 years he played but hasn't equated to a big star in Dallas as of yet. Very versitile but hasn't exactly been a hall of famer or made a big impact.

What year was that? 2002 where he played WR... or 2003 where he played QB, RB, AND WR?

You do realize that Patrick Crayton (as a #3 WR for the Cowboys) had more Catches, More Yards, and More TD's than your #2 AND #3 WR's don't you?

Our 7th round pick had more catches, yards, and TD's than your HIGHLY PAID Free Agent pickups.

I'd say that's a pretty good impact for a 7th rounder that was just a QB to WR conversion project when drafted.


Now for Roy Williams. He is the only one of the three that did anything in college and the pros but couldn't find any stats on him from college. He played on a very good Oklahoma team that had a lot of good corners so he never had to rely on his coverage skills which are very suspect especially when Santana Moss blew right by him for two TD's in that comeback win a few years ago. He has had the same stats every year in the NFL with a few + or - in the INT category. So why is he complaining? If he was hindered by Bill Parcells then he would have up and down stats instead of consistent stats.
They may think they are better off without Bill Parcells but wait to they are the same mediocre team under Wade Phillips. Who are they going to blame then? Wade will be gone in three years or less.

Roy's college stats: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/williams_roy.htm

Roy playing deep coverage almost exclusively for the past 3 seasons might be a reason why he would have been a little frustrated.

Who were the corners that he played with?

[Fan since a Fetus]

We should have kept him longer than 1 season.

I thought that I was the only one that felt that way. I wish he would have stayed for a couple more years instead of Spurrier.

I am not sold on Dallas this year. I do not think they are as talented as everyone makes them out to be. I think Parcells was the main reason they even made it to the playoffs. The team should be thanking him instead of burying him.

Does anyone really think Phillips is going to be there next year if they don't make the playoffs? I don't. Jerry will find a replacement quick! I beleive the older he gets, the worse off the team will be because he is going to meddle more and more into personnel. They will be in the same position the Raiders have been in the last few years.

[HeHateMe]

:laugh: Under Phillips, you guys will never even get to the postseason. (And I sincerely hope you're kidding about him excelling in the postseason, because his 0-3 postseason record isn't exactly convincing :silly: )

Furthermore, it wasn't "Bill Parcells the choker" that prevented you guys from getting anywhere meaningful; your team wasn't even good enough to get to a game worth choking in. :doh:

Nah.

They had Seattle beat, and Romo literally choked the game away.

[Chachie]

Nah.

They had Seattle beat, and Romo literally choked the game away.


LLLLITERALLY. :)

[tr1]

Nah.

They had Seattle beat, and Romo literally choked the game away.

Revisionist history. The defense could have gotten the ball back, but they choked, too.

[TEK2000]

Revisionist history. The defense could have gotten the ball back, but they choked, too.

Too many people act like 1 person or 1 play is the only thing at fault for a loss. There were tons of other things before that that lead to the result.

[Riggo#44]

Too many people act like 1 person or 1 play is the only thing at fault for a loss. There were tons of other things before that that lead to the result.

Are you sure about that? Did you glean that piece of truth from your hours of watching video tape?! I am so glad youre here to tell us these things!! :rolleyes: