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stwasm
July-21st-2007, 06:56 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/20/AR2007072002470.html

Negotiations to build a soccer stadium for D.C. United in Southeast Washington have collapsed, leading District officials to pursue other options for the site and team officials to threaten to move the franchise out of the city, government sources said yesterday.

Mayor Adrian M. Fenty's administration had been negotiating for months with D.C. United's principal investor, real estate magnate Victor A. MacFarlane, over the team's proposal to build a 27,000-seat stadium in Ward 8, just across the Anacostia River from the Washington Nationals' new ballpark.

But the negotiations stalled over the financial terms. Although United offered to pay for the $150 million stadium, it asked for about $200 million in city subsidies, including roads, tax incentives and the right to develop additional land, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the negotiations were private.

Administration officials have decided to look at other options for the site, which is part of a 110-acre piece of federal land known as Poplar Point that is scheduled to be transferred to the District in the fall. The city will seek proposals from interested developers over the next two months, the sources said, with the focus on housing and retail. A soccer stadium still could be part of the mix but is not a top priority, the sources said.

Verizon Center, the downtown indoor sports arena, has been credited with playing a key role in the revitalization of its neighborhood; the economic impact of soccer stadiums appears less understood. D.C. United's attendance has averaged about 17,000 a game over the years.

During the negotiations, D.C. United officials suggested they would consider moving to Maryland or Virginia, possibly the Baltimore or Loudoun County areas, if the District was unable to help build a new stadium, the sources said. United plays at 46-year-old RFK Stadium and had hoped to have a new facility by 2009 or 2010.

"We're keeping our options open," said Julie Chase, a spokeswoman for MacFarlane. "We need a new stadium somewhere in the D.C. area. I can't put parameters on that."

Fenty's spokeswoman, Carrie Brooks, said in a statement last night: "Poplar Point represents a once in a lifetime development opportunity for the District of Columbia. A competitive process for the disposition of this land could provide the District with great ideas on how best to meet city objectives that include workforce development, affordable housing, great parkland, and sustainable development."

D.C. Council member Jack Evans (D-Ward 2), who championed the publicly funded $611 million baseball stadium, said of United: "It would be very unfortunate if they left the city. The stadium was a good idea, but the question was always who would pay for it. . . . I can understand their frustration, because they were led to believe the city very much was trying to make this happen."

Evans said another option that had been discussed is construction of a soccer stadium next to RFK, which would then be torn down.

Administration officials consider Poplar Point to be a unique development opportunity: a massive waterfront property in the city's poorest ward. But deciding what to do with the land has been the subject of much discussion.

Council member Marion Barry (D-Ward 8) has supported the stadium, but residents have been divided. Some agreed that the stadium would help bring new investors and opportunity; others voiced concern that it would not include affordable housing and jobs for residents.

Then-Mayor Anthony A. Williams (D) backed the stadium, but Fenty had been noncommittal. MacFarlane, a wealthy San Francisco real estate investor, bought United in January and pledged to work with Ward 8 to build a mixed-use development.

MacFarlane pledged to build a youth athletic field in Ward 8 and has attended numerous community meetings. He and other team officials are scheduled to attend D.C. United Family Fun Day tomorrow at Ketcham Elementary School on 15th Street SE, an event that was billed as a way to "publicly share the club's vision for a stadium at Poplar Point."

United President Kevin Payne declined to comment through a spokesman.

"We have put forth a very expansive plan that obviously addresses the needs of the soccer team and the soccer fans," Chase said. "We have also been addressing the needs and wants in Ward 8, where people are interested in improved community opportunities, retail and jobs."

SkinsHokieFan
July-21st-2007, 08:27 AM
Dealing with the DC government, this doesn't surprise me

JKC wanted to build his own stadium with his own cash, nearly dropping the ball on the Nationals and now this

:doh:

browncl
July-21st-2007, 03:16 PM
while certainly bad news, I'm glad to hear that the threats to "move" were simply out of the city, not to another market. A move to VA would make it closer to me... DC better be careful to not play hardball or they will lose this one.

stwasm
July-21st-2007, 04:53 PM
while certainly bad news, I'm glad to hear that the threats to "move" were simply out of the city, not to another market. A move to VA would make it closer to me... DC better be careful to not play hardball or they will lose this one.

Living in Alexandria, myself, I hope they stay in the DC area.

skinsngibbs4life
July-26th-2007, 11:07 AM
Going to the united site, and looking at all the drawings and plans for the area that this includes, the city needs to get this done.

that whole ward 8 area will basically be renevated with this new deal. I really want this to get done, because the plans looked amazing.

Power point presentation presented about the plan (http://dcunited.mlsnet.com/t103/pdf/2007/poplar_point_presentation.pdf)

for anyone that hasn't seen it...

Hokie_Skinz
July-26th-2007, 03:38 PM
I think the only reason why it isn't going through is because the DC Council doesn't want to spend $200 million on soccer. (the estimated $200 million is what the City of DC would pay for improvements to the roads etc...DC United would pay the $150 million for the stadium itself). They didn't have any problems with the nationals...even though they are struggling with attendance.

The misconception is that more people care about baseball than Soccer. Let's look at the numbers. The nationals can sit over 40K at RFK...but their average attendance is only 23,397 so far this year(1). For DC United the proposed stadium will have a capacity of 27,000, and United is averaging 18,871(2). These numbers can be expected to go up as the MLS in general is starting on an upswing (see the TV deal for this year). If you look at the percentage comparison you have the Nats filling their stadium to 58.5% of its capacity on any given game day. DC United to 69.9%. The Nats numbers are actually inflated, since I only used RFK capacity to 40,000.

The point being, building poplar point makes sense in every way you look at it. It will be close to capacity in almost every game DC United plays. It will be a great improvement to Ward 8 increasing the economy in a section of DC that needs it. Even though no one will outwardly admit it, the only reason it's been axed...is because it's for a soccer team; and no one can justify spending $200 million of taxpayer money on a soccer team, even if it makes more sense than spending it on a baseball team in an area that history has proven can't support it. (Washington Senators)


1. Average attendance link (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=mlb/teams/006/attendance.aspx?team=006)
2. Average attendance link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dc_united#Average_attendance) scroll down to see attendance.

Please excuse my using Wikipedia as a "source". It was quick and easy, and this one is reletively reliable since it is put up by members of supporters clubs.

Maxito
July-26th-2007, 08:23 PM
It'll be a shame if they move out of DC. I really hope they don't move it to Baltimore, cause if they do I don't see myself going to many games. Loudon county is kind of far from where I live. Driving to Loudon County will take more time than driving to RFK.

skinsngibbs4life
August-1st-2007, 02:45 PM
it makes no sense NOT to make this stadium... Yeah, its a lot of money to invest now, but the benefits they will get from this down the road are enormous

stwasm
August-7th-2007, 09:32 AM
it makes no sense NOT to make this stadium... Yeah, its a lot of money to invest now, but the benefits they will get from this down the road are enormous

That's your DC City Government for you. :doh:

rtbasye
August-10th-2007, 02:14 AM
thats a damn shame- this would be doing something for the 'futbol' portion of dc life, instead of always catering to the football, baseball, basketball of most folks. like the spot said, it could help revitalize a region of dc, lord nows the city needs it!

stwasm
August-10th-2007, 07:21 AM
thats a damn shame- this would be doing something for the 'futbol' portion of dc life, instead of always catering to the football, baseball, basketball of most folks. like the spot said, it could help revitalize a region of dc, lord nows the city needs it!

Maybe the success of last night's game might make them change their minds. Idiots!

The Slammer
August-11th-2007, 10:45 AM
Oh, I'm sure it'll be "Look how well the Beckham game went in RFK, they don't need a new stadium!"

People neglect to consider that United makes nothing off games at RFK thanks to the rental fees and the revenue sharing of tickets. If you think about how well run United has been while leaking money for 11 years, just imagine them in the black! (And you better believe United will turn a profit with a new stadium, given our fanbase)