Wiz Hire Randy Ayers

[method man]

It is going to be announced this afternoon.

I like the signing. He was top assistant to Larry Brown in Philly and is konwn for his pressure defense philosophy.

[mojobo]

He was top assistant to Larry Brown
sign of something to happen next season?

[method man]

sign of something to happen next season?

I don't know if I want Larry. I am 100% sure Larry would clash with Gil. Larry seems to hate scoring combo guards.

[Rocky21]

I don't know if I want Larry. I am 100% sure Larry would clash with Gil. Larry seems to hate scoring combo guards.
But Gil doesn't mind showing up for practice. ;)

[ACW]

I assume you 2 mean Iverson? Meh, at least Gil is more fan-friendly, and ALWAYS tries to make himself better.

Could Ayers be that defensive-minded assistant we need?

[clathel]

Did you read the article?.....He was being praised for his defensive coaching ability so in answer to your question......Yes....Oh! Before you ask.....This is an EG hire.

[clathel]

sign of something to happen next season?
We can hope.

[ACW]

Oh, and even though Larry Brown and AI might not've gotten along, Philly actually seemed to do pretty good after he left. Does anyone REALLY think the Wiz would do good w/o Gil (hands, mad4comp, you don't count :silly: )

[WizSkinsO's]

Great hire. I didn't realize how much he did with Orlando in his two years there:
"Ayers spent the last two NBA seasons as an assistant coach with the Orlando Magic, where he helped Orlando reach the NBA Playoffs last season with the league’s seventh ranked defensive unit. Having joined the Magic as an assistant coach on June 10, 2005, Ayers saw the Magic cut the opposition’s scoring from 101.8 points per game in the season prior to his hire, to 96.0 ppg in his first season in Orlando and 94.0 ppg last year."

What a resume, too. Former NCAA Coach of the Year? Larry Brown's most-trusted assistant? A clear effect in teaching the Magic how to play defense despite a rather stupid head coach?

If this team learns to play defense under him there's no stopping us.

[clathel]

Oh, and even though Larry Brown and AI might not've gotten along, Philly actually seemed to do pretty good after he left. Does anyone REALLY think the Wiz would do good w/o Gil (hands, mad4comp, you don't count :silly: )

It depends who replaces Gil...if it were Kobe/AI then we would go further in the playoffs just having him here rather than Gil.
Gil is a top ten - top 15 G.
He is not LeTravel or Kobe or AI or Kidd or Parker or Nash.
Any of them would be a huge upgrade.
Gil is a good player and one of the better G's in the league.
But saying/intimating that he is irreplaceable is not true.
It is easy to find a good scorer without defensive capability.
It is not easy to find a balanced all around player that can make his team better by just being in there.
We lost every game in the playoffs by less than 8 points.
CB alone would have given us that much.
Gil was not needed to advance to the second round.
I dont think we could have gone further without Gil.
But I dont think we could have made it out of the 3rd round unless we had some one with great post defense.
Gil is a nice addition but he is not as needed as post defense, concentration on not turning the ball over, and creating missed shots and turnovers on this team.
He is a great guy to run the ball through and to have act like a field general.
However, Gil doesnt want that role.
He thinks like a SG but he is listed and plays as a PG but not great.
Gill needs to grow up.

[WizSkinsO's]

It depends who replaces Gil...if it were Kobe/AI then we would go further in the playoffs just having him here rather than Gil.
Gil is a top ten - top 15 G.
He is not LeTravel or Kobe or AI or Kidd or Parker or Nash.
Any of them would be a huge upgrade.
Gil is a good player and one of the better G's in the league.
But saying/intimating that he is irreplaceable is not true.
It is easy to find a good scorer without defensive capability.
It is not easy to find a balanced all around player that can make his team better by just being in there.
We lost every game in the playoffs by less than 8 points.
CB alone would have given us that much.
Gil was not needed to advance to the second round.
I dont think we could have gone further without Gil.
But I dont think we could have made it out of the 3rd round unless we had some one with great post defense.
Gil is a nice addition but he is not as needed as post defense, concentration on not turning the ball over, and creating missed shots and turnovers on this team.
He is a great guy to run the ball through and to have act like a field general.
However, Gil doesnt want that role.
He thinks like a SG but he is listed and plays as a PG but not great.
Gill needs to grow up.
You write like a five-year-old.

Every one of your posts pains my eyes both with its stupidity and God-awful writing style.

Please leave.

[Rocky21]

Could Ayers be that defensive-minded assistant we need? :fingersx: Let's hope so.

[phishisthegreatstuff]

clathel....kidd would not be an upgrade at all. nor would parker or AI. Gilbert is one of the top 5 scorers in this league. look at his ppg.

[ACW]

AI, no. Parker, probably not. Kidd, maybe (factor in assists and, ESPECIALLY, rebounds).

[roadkill]

Clathel, Gil a top 10-15 player. To say that he's just a good player a nice addition are two of the greatest understatements of I've ever heard. Also, could you use paragraphs for longer posts?

[clathel]

AI is better defensively than Gil, Kidd is better defensively than Gil, Parker is defensively better than Gil....Get the clue....I am talking about complete players not scorers.
Scoring is nice but gets you nowhere in the playoffs without defense.
That is Gil's drawback, now and always.

WSO,
I have to write like a five year old.
It is the only way you can understand it.
Please leave.

[clathel]

Clathel, Gil a top 10-15 player. To say that he's just a good player a nice addition are two of the greatest understatements of I've ever heard. Also, could you use paragraphs for longer posts?

That was a paragraph....wait til you see my essays....LOL

[GOSKINS_08]

Hopefully this can help our defense!

[twenty-eight]

I don't know if I want Larry. I am 100% sure Larry would clash with Gil. Larry seems to hate scoring combo guards.

Both (AI&Billlups) are much better after playing under Larry Brown. He had clashes with both those guys but he helped the both of them become complete players. Brown made sure they didnt let any of their talent go to waste. Sure there would be a ton of arguments between Gil and Brown but in the long run the positives would outweigh the negatives.

You write like a five-year-old.

Every one of your posts pains my eyes both with its stupidity and God-awful writing style.

Please leave.

Use the ignore feature...

[arenasisgod]

Clathel, could you use paragraphs for longer posts?
I for one enjoy the loose poetic prose-style of clathel's ramblings. Their content on the other hand...

[method man]

Both (AI&Billlups) are much better after playing under Larry Brown. He had clashes with both those guys but he helped the both of them become complete players. Brown made sure they didnt let any of their talent go to waste. Sure there would be a ton of arguments between Gil and Brown but in the long run the positives would outweigh the negatives.



Use the ignore feature...

There was not much difference in AI's game before and after Larry Brown. Marbury got worse under Larry in New York. Billups got better because he was a journeyman without an ego trying to prove he was worth the lottery pick spent on him. Arenas is adamant about being a scoring combo guard and he has had his no-shooting games to try to prove his point. I just see Larry and Gil really colliding and I'm not sure the situation would be better in the long run.

[twenty-eight]

There was not much difference in AI's game before and after Larry Brown. Marbury got worse under Larry in New York. Billups got better because he was a journeyman without an ego trying to prove he was worth the lottery pick spent on him. Arenas is adamant about being a scoring combo guard and he has had his no-shooting games to try to prove his point. I just see Larry and Gil really colliding and I'm not sure the situation would be better in the long run.


I dont think you can really count Marbury against him because Brown wasnt there for long enough to see results.

AI was 100% a scorer and pretty much nothing else. Brown got him to play team basketball (winning basketball). You gotta agree that AI played a different style of ball under brown.

To this day you hear Billups and Iverson praising Brown. They talk about how even thogh they went through very rough times with Brown, in the end it made them much better players.

I'm not saying that Gil and Brown are a good fit....

:whoknows:

[hands11]

It depends who replaces Gil...if it were Kobe/AI then we would go further in the playoffs just having him here rather than Gil.
Gil is a top ten - top 15 G.
He is not LeTravel or Kobe or AI or Kidd or Parker or Nash.
Any of them would be a huge upgrade.
Gil is a good player and one of the better G's in the league.
But saying/intimating that he is irreplaceable is not true.
It is easy to find a good scorer without defensive capability.
It is not easy to find a balanced all around player that can make his team better by just being in there.
We lost every game in the playoffs by less than 8 points.
CB alone would have given us that much.
Gil was not needed to advance to the second round.
I dont think we could have gone further without Gil.
But I dont think we could have made it out of the 3rd round unless we had some one with great post defense.
Gil is a nice addition but he is not as needed as post defense, concentration on not turning the ball over, and creating missed shots and turnovers on this team.
He is a great guy to run the ball through and to have act like a field general.
However, Gil doesnt want that role.
He thinks like a SG but he is listed and plays as a PG but not great.
Gill needs to grow up.

Just so you know. This wasnt me signed in as an alias. The man has his own mind. clathel :notworthy

[hands11]

There was not much difference in AI's game before and after Larry Brown. Marbury got worse under Larry in New York. Billups got better because he was a journeyman without an ego trying to prove he was worth the lottery pick spent on him. Arenas is adamant about being a scoring combo guard and he has had his no-shooting games to try to prove his point. I just see Larry and Gil really colliding and I'm not sure the situation would be better in the long run.

This could happen. Then again Gil may not even sign here.

The future is just that. Unknown.

[Warhead36]

Gil finished in the top 10 in efficiency in 05-06 and finished 11th this past season.

Regarding turnovers, just so you know, Gil finished 10th in the league there. Steve Nash, Kobe Bryant, and Lebron James all averaged MORE turnovers per game than Gil. (league leader was Dwight Howard)

And if you look at turnovers per 48 minutes, which could be deemed more accurate because since Gil plays so many minutes(finished 7th in MPG and 16th in total minutes despite missing so many games late)Gil finished 27th in the league in turnovers per 48. Just so you know, Tim Duncan and Amare Stoudemire both averaged more turnovers over 48 minutes than Gil did.

He's not just a very good scorer. He's an excellent scorer who is ruthlessly efficient. And thats factoring in his big decline in stats when it was clear he was playing with an injured shoulder(some people don't need to be wheelchaired off the court...).

[method man]

I dont think you can really count Marbury against him because Brown wasnt there for long enough to see results.

AI was 100% a scorer and pretty much nothing else. Brown got him to play team basketball (winning basketball). You gotta agree that AI played a different style of ball under brown.

To this day you hear Billups and Iverson praising Brown. They talk about how even thogh they went through very rough times with Brown, in the end it made them much better players.

I'm not saying that Gil and Brown are a good fit....

:whoknows:

Not really. AI's dimes/game went down when he played under Larry Brown. The 6ers went to the finals, becuase AI was surrounded with great defenders, not really because of any change in Iverson's game.

[arenasisgod]

Gil finished in the top 10 in efficiency in 05-06 and finished 11th this past season.

Regarding turnovers, just so you know, Gil finished 10th in the league there. Steve Nash, Kobe Bryant, and Lebron James all averaged MORE turnovers per game than Gil. (league leader was Dwight Howard)

And if you look at turnovers per 48 minutes, which could be deemed more accurate because since Gil plays so many minutes(finished 7th in MPG and 16th in total minutes despite missing so many games late)Gil finished 27th in the league in turnovers per 48. Just so you know, Tim Duncan and Amare Stoudemire both averaged more turnovers over 48 minutes than Gil did.

He's not just a very good scorer. He's an excellent scorer who is ruthlessly efficient. And thats factoring in his big decline in stats when it was clear he was playing with an injured shoulder(some people don't need to be wheelchaired off the court...).
Just so you know. This wasnt me signed in as an alias. The man has his own mind. Warhead36 :notworthy

[method man]

What I think I like best about Ayers is that his scheme fits into what we do. I don't think Thibbs, who is used to a slowed down game, could've helped as us much.

[conkev12]

I hope this isn't like an Al Saunders-type signing where it gets all hyped up, only to have my hopes shattered...just have to wait and see I guess.

[mad4comp]

He's not just a very good scorer. He's an excellent scorer who is ruthlessly efficient. And thats factoring in his big decline in stats when it was clear he was playing with an injured shoulder(some people don't need to be wheelchaired off the court...).

Great....

But just thought I'd let you know, no one is arguing about his offensive capabilities. We all know he can score and score at will, but the problem is his defense, which is what everyone here is debating about. How about you pull out some defensive stats for Gil and see if you can defend those.

[44 Magnum]

Tony Parker proved to be a better guard than I thought in NBA playoffs this year. However, no way he is an improvement over Arenas. Given age, Jason Kidd is also not an improvement. Kobe is great offensively but not defensively.

It's hard to pinpoint Arenas as a bad defensive player when the whole team is bad. Here's a playground defensive stat--Gil outscores his man by 20 points!!!

[method man]

Tony Parker proved to be a better guard than I thought in NBA playoffs this year. However, no way he is an improvement over Arenas. Given age, Jason Kidd is also not an improvement. Kobe is great offensively but not defensively.

It's hard to pinpoint Arenas as a bad defensive player when the whole team is bad. Here's a playground defensive stat--Gil outscores his man by 20 points!!!

What are you talking about? Kobe would be a huge improvement defensively. He is a top 3 perimeter defender in this league and because he would be the new leader of the team (and teams seem to follow the image of their leader), our team defense improve.

[PapaDRoc]

What are you talking about? Kobe would be a huge improvement defensively. He is a top 3 perimeter defender in this league and because he would be the new leader of the team (and teams seem to follow the image of their leader), our team defense improve.
I mean the Lakers have just done great since Kobe became the "team leader"..... :rolleyes:

Kobe didn't look too good defensively when he gave up 60 to Gil last year....

We all know Arenas is not even close to one of the league's best defenders, but he does make up for at at the offensive end

I do believe one year Gil will develop into the "team leader" mentality, it could even be in the middle of this upcoming season.

But Kobe's team hasn't accomplished anymore than a Wiz team without Gil as the leader has.

[clathel]

Tony Parker is more of a leader on the floor and a good passing/assisting PG as well as a solid defender and possibly the 5th best PG in the NBA.


Kidd is an all around excellent player that has every tool.

Kobe is a tough defender and possibly the best passer in the NBA, his no looks are mad and his court vision and decision making is better than anyone in the NBA except Nash.

AI is the 4th most complete G int the NBA behind Nash, Kobe and Kidd.

Nash goes without saying....Geez! The guy has 2 MVP's.

Gil doesnt match up to any of them in being a complete PG. He is an awesome talent and I dont put him down for his ability but there is better in the NBA.

Shaq, KG, Duncan, Amare, LeTravel, Nowitzki are more complete and better players regardless of position.

Billups is a better field general, passer and defender...just look how many rings he has to tell that.

The list could go on for a while. So I will give up while I am still awake

[roadkill]

:blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:
Whether or not you'd like to admit it, you reach a lot to make your points. Just because we lost every game by less than 8 points in the playoffs doesn't mean we would have won with CB in, this isn't fantasy. You're forgetting that Cleveland didn't exactly put forth their greatest effort, as was evident in their play against the Pistons. Thus making your next statement: "Gil was not needed to advance to the second round," incorrect.

I'm pretty sure everyone can agree that Gil can step up his defense. That's a given. Hopefully he'll focus on improving that part of his game this season. You also seem to imply that Gil is merely a scorer, when in fact he has shown the ability to distribute the ball reasonably well (in case you forgot, he averaged more asissts than your pal Tony, without the help of one of the greatest big men of our generation). Would I love it if he averaged more assists? Obviously, but the man did avg 30 and 6.

Ths statement alone, in reference to Gil, is easily one of the most idiotic posts I've read on this board.

"It is easy to find a good scorer without defensive capability."

Please don't make me explain why. Just appreciate the incredible talent we have here in D.C.

The man does make his team better just by being there.

[arenasisgod]

when you dis gil you dis yourself

[method man]

I mean the Lakers have just done great since Kobe became the "team leader"..... :rolleyes:

Kobe didn't look too good defensively when he gave up 60 to Gil last year....

We all know Arenas is not even close to one of the league's best defenders, but he does make up for at at the offensive end

I do believe one year Gil will develop into the "team leader" mentality, it could even be in the middle of this upcoming season.

But Kobe's team hasn't accomplished anymore than a Wiz team without Gil as the leader has.

Yeah, but Kobe's had less, much less, the past two years. While we have Jamison as our third option, they had Smush Parker as their's and making the playoffs in the West is a helluva a lot more impressive than making it in the East.