Please No Kg In Boston

[JyFresh]

KG.....Paul....Ray Allen!

nooooooooooooooo this will be a hard fight for the wizards, Paul Pierce always trying to blow thw wiz out anyway. lets hope the KG trade does not go through. Its rumored that deal is almost done to send him to Boston. The east will be a force again. Wiz going have problems this year

[arenasisgod]

Ray Allen is old and Pierce is a bit injury prone. They still have no point guard. KG is a monster but honestly, when our big three is clicking, we ought to matchup just fine.

[JyFresh]

u crazy! ray allen is a f*cking beast! and paul pierce always is against the Wiz. i cant agree with u here my man

[TheGift]

Ray Allen is old and Pierce is a bit injury prone. They still have no point guard. KG is a monster but honestly, when our big three is clicking, we ought to matchup just fine.

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Not Even.

[909997]

isnt boston always getting blown out by wiz

[CMonster]

Not sure if you guys remember, but the Celtics have no one that has a prayer of matching up with Arenas and the Wiz have one of maybe 5 players in the NBA who can match up with Garnett's length and athleticism in Blatche.

The Celts would be relevant for sure but we have 3-4 years in a system together and that counts for something.

[JyFresh]

good point cmonster. but u must admit thats a hell of a big 3 they will have in boston. the post presence (KG), the drive (PP) and the outside jumper or 3's (jesus shuttlesworth)

[ACW]

I had to Google Jesus Shuttlesworth :doh: (BTW, one of the articles called Allan Ray "Shuttlesworth Jesus" :laugh: ).

And don't forget, Ray may be getting up there, but he still averaged 26.4 PPG and 3 threes/game.

Is Jefferson part of the trade? 'cause if not, that's one scary frontcourt.

[Warhead36]

They will contend for the Atlantic Division but I'd still like our chances. Allen is the type of player that Stevenson matches up well with and Blatche has shown he can guard KG pretty well, whilas Boston, if they make this deal, have nobody at PG anywhere near Gil.

[JyFresh]

ye Jefferson is part of the trade. i believe

[JyFresh]

as crazy as this sounds. but i might just throw ray allen @ PG like the old days and Penny Hardway with the Magic if i was the coach of boston. a big PG who can shoot and guard. i just dont know if he can keep up speed wise with tony parker and steve nash...

this sucks cuz ray allen is my fav player behind gil but i dont like boston. i guess i do now

[method man]

Ray Allen is old and Pierce is a bit injury prone. They still have no point guard. KG is a monster but honestly, when our big three is clicking, we ought to matchup just fine.

Almost completely wrong. Pierce has had just one injury-plagued season (last year) in which he was held out of games because his team was tanking. Allen is old but he is still one of the deadliest scorers in the NBA. They don't have a PG? Rajon Rondo is probably a top 5 defensive PG already and can cover many SGs because of his freakishly long arms and is going to give Arenas troubles next season.

[method man]

as crazy as this sounds. but i might just throw ray allen @ PG like the old days and Penny Hardway with the Magic if i was the coach of boston. a big PG who can shoot and guard. i just dont know if he can keep up speed wise with tony parker and steve nash...

this sucks cuz ray allen is my fav player behind gil but i dont like boston. i guess i do now

Allen does not have the ballhandling or defensive abilities (in fact one of the worst defenders in the NBA) to play PG.

[method man]

What is essential for us to keep up with Boston, Cleveland, and Chicago is for Blatche to get his offensive game back. My theory on why his shot stunk last year was because he was still getting range of motion back in his wrist from the shooting and that because he added muscle, that kind of messed with his shot. I am projecting Blatche to be Drew Gooden with defense, which makes an awesome role player.

[Mr. Grundle]

Almost completely wrong. Pierce has had just one injury-plagued season (last year) in which he was held out of games because his team was tanking. Allen is old but he is still one of the deadliest scorers in the NBA. They don't have a PG? Rajon Rondo is probably a top 5 defensive PG already and can cover many SGs because of his freakishly long arms and is going to give Arenas troubles next season.

Rondo is supposedly part of the deal along with Jefferson....so they will have no PG.

[da#1skinsfan]

Rajon Rondo? Are you kidding?

I hear you, KG ANYWHERE makes things tougher for the Wiz. But to sit back and say uh oh theyre going ot be great with Pierce Allen and KG...I dont know man. Injuries happen. Mediocrity happens. Age happens. Sounds to me like 3 guys right on the cusp of the downswing.

Yeah on paper it looks good, but I dont think its anything thayt would make one think the Wiz are any less or any more competent in the conference now.

Archuleta, Taylor, Rogers and Springs...no one will pass on us!

Moss, BLloyd, A-RE, Patten as a #4 WITH Portis and Betts tearing up the ground??! Thats crazy, our offense will be unstoppable!

Case in point.

[joony11]

i thought it was telfair, not rondo, that was being tossed into the deal. correct me if i'm wrong

[method man]

i thought it was telfair, not rondo, that was being tossed into the deal. correct me if i'm wrong

ur correct

[method man]

Rondo is supposedly part of the deal along with Jefferson....so they will have no PG.

It's Telfair. Rondo was part of the original deal, but Boston managed to switch him with Green (who would not have received PT behind Pierce and the Allens) and Gomes.

[hands11]

What is essential for us to keep up with Boston, Cleveland, and Chicago is for Blatche to get his offensive game back. My theory on why his shot stunk last year was because he was still getting range of motion back in his wrist from the shooting and that because he added muscle, that kind of messed with his shot. I am projecting Blatche to be Drew Gooden with defense, which makes an awesome role player.


Talk to me. Your playing my song.

Gil, CB, AJ

Allen, Peirce and KG

They have the edge with KG in the post and Peirce is a better scorer/slasher then tough juice. But add the X factor which is Blatche. If Blatche gets a chance to ball this year, that would make a big difference. He played KG well last year. Know they will get to know each other a little better. Should be fun to watch.

Also, we have to see how the rest of their team shakes out. We have better talent this year then last with SAG returning healthy and OP looking sharp in summer league. But Allen, Peirce and KG does sound like a sweet trio. All smart players with talent.

[hands11]

Rajon Rondo? Are you kidding?

I hear you, KG ANYWHERE makes things tougher for the Wiz. But to sit back and say uh oh theyre going ot be great with Pierce Allen and KG...I dont know man. Injuries happen. Mediocrity happens. Age happens. Sounds to me like 3 guys right on the cusp of the downswing.

Yeah on paper it looks good, but I dont think its anything thayt would make one think the Wiz are any less or any more competent in the conference now.

Archuleta, Taylor, Rogers and Springs...no one will pass on us!

Moss, BLloyd, A-RE, Patten as a #4 WITH Portis and Betts tearing up the ground??! Thats crazy, our offense will be unstoppable!

Case in point.

Comparing football to basketball doesn't really work. You just described the DB and the WR/RB. In basketball, these are the players. Offense and defense and only 5 have to be in sync at a time. Very very different then in football.

[clathel]

I think it really puts alot of pressure on us to get a post player quickly to have this deal go down.
We cant think of getting to the playoffs if the teams around us are getting better and we are standing pat.
Trade for Gasol or someone that can bang with KG consistently.
Young, AD, OPie, Etan and a first for Gasol.
Then the 2 friends can be together.(JCN+Pau)

[clathel]

isnt boston always getting blown out by wiz
They didnt have KG and Ray Allen before.

[hands11]

That's a :pooh: load on 3 players.

Ray 16M/17/19M
Paul 16M/18M/20M
KG 22M/24M and he signed an extension?

54M this year 07/08 Cap is 55.630M
59M next year.

http://www.nba.com/news/salarycap_070710.html

They better do some serious magic with the exemptions for that will take a :whippin: in the wallet.

[helster878]

While that trio is very scary and certainly trumps our big 3--it leaves boston w/ only five legit nba players (allen, pierce, kg, rondo, and tony allen coming off surgery). They better hope glen davis and pruitt pan out which is no guarantee as 2nd rounders-- because it will be hard to play their superstars 48 minutes/ night. Meanwhile, the Wizards have about 7 proven players (Arenas, Butler, Jamison, Daniels, Stevenson, Blatche, Songailia) 2 first rounders (O.P and Young), a second rounder who is looking great (McGuire), not too mention our 2 centers who while disappointing, are both better than whoever Boston's 2nd best big man is. Having 12 rotation quality players compared to Boston's five better prepares us to last an entire season with concern to injuries and general fatigue. It also will remain to be seen whether the Boston three will have the stamina to last and defend the Wizards fast break style. Otherwise-- a couple minutes with their second unit on the floor could be enough to negate whatever advantage their big three gives them against playoff caliber competition like the Wizards.

[hands11]

While that trio is very scary and certainly trumps our big 3--it leaves boston w/ only five legit nba players (allen, pierce, kg, rondo, and tony allen coming off surgery). They better hope glen davis and pruitt pan out which is no guarantee as 2nd rounders-- because it will be hard to play their superstars 48 minutes/ night. Meanwhile, the Wizards have about 7 proven players (Arenas, Butler, Jamison, Daniels, Stevenson, Blatche, Songailia) 2 first rounders (O.P and Young), a second rounder who is looking great (McGuire), not too mention our 2 centers who while disappointing, are both better than whoever Boston's 2nd best big man is. Having 12 rotation quality players compared to Boston's five better prepares us to last an entire season with concern to injuries and general fatigue. It also will remain to be seen whether the Boston three will have the stamina to last and defend the Wizards fast break style. Otherwise-- a couple minutes with their second unit on the floor could be enough to negate whatever advantage their big three gives them against playoff caliber competition like the Wizards.

:applause:

Kind of like looking in the mirror of our last season. :doh:

[Warhead36]

Chemistry and depth matters and we are worlds better in both categories than the Celtics.

As great as those three guys are they've never come close to a ring and championship teams need to have solid role players and vets.

Say what you will now but I'd take our team over Boston's. But we'll see...

[SkinsTillIDie]

This is great news. The Celtics completely mortgaged their future. They have three extraordinarily expensive players all on the wrong side of thirty and absolutely no depth. They're starting a mediocre BACKUP center and a point guard who is a horrendous shooter. And after that, they have a guard who also can't shoot.

What happens when Ray Allen goes down, which will most certainly happen? There is no way his 32 year old body and two bad ankles hold up for 82 games + playoffs. How healthy can this team possibly be come playoff time, assuming the big three play the majority of the season. And what happens if they don't? And when they run into a rough patch in a toss up series in the playoffs and they are sent home... This is a team that gambled absolutely everything, a team that threw away years worth of young-talent stockpiling for an improbable run at a championship. This team is too old with absolutely no depth. And can you possibly see this banged up Celtics team beating a Phoenix Suns or a Dallas Mavericks or a San Antonio Spurs?

This franchise will be a laughing stock again in a couple years time, when they are paying three players of the ages of 33, 34, and 35 respectively more than $60 million, and they are even down two future first round picks to boot.

[skinsfanno9]

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Not Even.

I kind of agree with this. Boston's big three, if healthy come playoff time, are gonna stomp through the east. Yeah, Boston's bench, outside of Tony Allen, blow, but I don't know that this hurts them in the east. In the finals? Yeah, probably.

[The Nations Team]

Everyone calm down. No need to fear the Celtics. Their big three are in their early 30's. The Wizards big three is in their late 20's and early 30's (Jamison). The Celtics have only 8 players under contract and still have to pay a luxury tax. They have no depth and chemistry like we do. Plus I predict they will have lots of injuries(Ray Allen).:dj:

[Sticksboi05]

So what I guess Arenas will have at least 4 50 point games this season.

[sabadahabada]

Is Jefferson part of the trade? 'cause if not, that's one scary frontcourt.

It seems as though Boston will have to trade gerald green, theo ratliff, al jefferson, ryan gomes, sebastian telfair, and a future 1st rounder (maybe 2)all for KG

link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

[ACW]

I've seen some reports that Jefferson's not part of the deal, others he is. :whoknows:

[Nighthawk]

I've seen some reports that Jefferson's not part of the deal, others he is. :whoknows:

Jefferson has got to be part of the deal. If not, this is one of the most lopsided trades in the history of the league.

[PCRoughrider]

Do the Celtics even have 12 players left on their roster after this massive player dump?

They get one player and give up four. Unless the rules have changed, they roster beyond their "Big Three" is going to be incredibly weak.

[PCRoughrider]

As part of the blockbuster deal -- which ends Garnett's 12-year run in Minnesota -- the Celtics had to part with a package of players that reportedly includes Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and at least one first-round pick. After shipping Delonte West and Wally Szczerbiak to Seattle last month, the Celtics currently have just eight players under contract -- four short of the league-mandated 12.

I stand corrected. It's SIX players for one, instead of four.

And they only have eight players under contract. What are they going to be doing, picking up players off the street. This is a train wreck just waiting to happen. IMO.

[method man]

I stand corrected. It's SIX players for one, instead of four.

And they only have eight players under contract. What are they going to be doing, picking up players off the street. This is a train wreck just waiting to happen. IMO.

It is very possible, though, that those players off the street are guys like CWebb and Eddie Jones, who would sign for the minimum to go ring-hunting.

[ACW]

http://www.startribune.com/wolves/story/1335180.html
Advantage: Minn. The new players are young, make a combined 3 mil.+ less than KG alone (and Ratliff, making over half of that, has an expiring contract), Minn. gets KG junior in Jefferson, along with picks AND $? Damn.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

http://www.startribune.com/wolves/story/1335180.html
Advantage: Minn. The new players are young, make a combined 3 mil.+ less than KG alone (and Ratliff, making over half of that, has an expiring contract), Minn. gets KG junior in Jefferson, along with picks AND $? Damn.
Yeah I agree. I think Minny wins as well. Boston had a nice core of young players up there. Ainge has completely abandoned that for a three year run that won't succeed.

[PCRoughrider]

Boston sent the Minnesota Timberwolves forwards Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes and Gerald Green, guard Sebastian Telfair and center Theo Ratliff, two first-round draft picks and cash considerations.

I stand corrected again. It's SEVEN for 1, plus a little cash thrown into the pot.

Unreal...

[skinsfanno9]

http://www.startribune.com/wolves/story/1335180.html
Advantage: Minn. The new players are young, make a combined 3 mil.+ less than KG alone (and Ratliff, making over half of that, has an expiring contract), Minn. gets KG junior in Jefferson, along with picks AND $? Damn.

Jefferson is KG Junior? No, I don't think so. I doubt anyone will have a problem distinguishing the two. Jefferson is going to be a 20-10 guy for the next 10 years, so he's really good, but he ain't anywhere close to the Big Ticket.

Personally I think Boston will do just fine with this deal. They still have an MLE left to pick up some halfway decent players. So they'll end up with three all-stars, 3-4 decent roll players, and half a roster full of canon fodder. Who knows, perhaps some of the fodder ends up working out. If I were Ainge, I'd be taking risks with the rest of the roster in the hopes that some pan out. He only needs one or two to emerge out of the fodder to get a workable 9-10 man rotation.

[da#1skinsfan]

Comparing football to basketball doesn't really work. You just described the DB and the WR/RB. In basketball, these are the players. Offense and defense and only 5 have to be in sync at a time. Very very different then in football.

OK.

2003 Lakers. Shaq, Kobe, Payton, Malone, deep bench...how do they not win a championship?

On paper. We'll see how the Celtics do in an 82 game span. Not saying theyre going to suck, just saying I wouldnt freak out here...

[Nighthawk]

The person who described this as a train wreck is right. They have 9 players signed, with a total $ investment of over$66 million. That means they're all ready $1 million over the luxury tax threshold and at least three players to sign to fill our their roster.

They have no backup PG, SF or C and have 4 PF's on the roster. I just don't see this ending well for the Celtics. That would be great if they signed Webber and Payton. It thrills me to see Webber trying to go for a ring before he's done. I hope he never gets it.

[hands11]

Yeah I agree. I think Minny wins as well. Boston had a nice core of young players up there. Ainge has completely abandoned that for a three year run that won't succeed.

That could be true. I depends in large part of what the owner is willing to spend.

If he doesnt mind going over the cap and, like others posters have said, other players want to do ring hunting... well, this is a nice core of 3 to build around.

Im not going to dismiss this as a failed project before I see them play. I need to learn more about what the rest of the plan.

Any team can loose a high paid star. That is always going to hurt. Look at us last year. We lost 3. It's not going to get any better once we pay Gil big dollars.

Its hard to get a good mix on a team. You need stars and they usually cost big $$ but you need younger underpaid talent also so you can have some balance if someone goes down. The more money the stars stars eat up, the less you have around for the others. So you have to spend big but it has to be on the right stars. It's tough.

[RaleighSkinsMann]

life just hot harder for us wiz fans...i say damn

[RaleighSkinsMann]

life just alot harder for us wiz fans...i say damn

[jbooma]

Yeah I agree. I think Minny wins as well. Boston had a nice core of young players up there. Ainge has completely abandoned that for a three year run that won't succeed.


Have you seen the eastern conference lately??? Bron won with a bunch of nobodys, now Boston has 3 players hitting the prime of their careers all hungry for a title.

Boston is now one of the favorites in the East and have jumped the Wiz for sure.

[PCRoughrider]

The "re-filling" of the Celtics roster begins...

Aug 1, 2007 6:0pm ET
Report: Celtics to Sign Eddie House
ESPN.COM's Chris Sheridan reports, "The Boston Celtics began filling out their trade-depleted roster Wednesday a day after acquiring Kevin Garnett, agreeing to terms with journeyman guard Eddie House on a one-year, $1.5 million contract."