Would we accept Reggie Williams in Burgundy & Gold?

[#21Taylor4Ever]

As I look over our roster, it's become very clear to me that we have no receivers over 6'3" tall. Mike Espy's probably the tallest guy, and I think we all know he won't get a serious look from Gibbs.

So I thought to myself, "How about Reggie Williams from JAX?" Do you recall what he did to us last season? Do you remember the hit he took from Sean Taylor and how he got up and shook it off? (I think he really was hurt....haha!). Williams is a physical 6'4" WR with great hands and tremendous ability when given the chance. He's been seen "moping around in JAX", but I attribute that to their QB issues and multiple WRs in camp.

What do you guys think? JC needs at least ONE WR close to his height, right?


Reggie Williams has been "moping around" and appeared "disinterested" at Jaguars training camp.

Well, this certainly isn't going to help you climb a depth chart. It's looking more and more likely that Williams, who also has been slow to pick up new coordinator Dirk Koetter's offense, will get a visit from the Turk.
Source: Florida Times Union (http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/081607/jag_191788230.shtml)

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.
Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.
Source: Florida Times Union (http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/080707/jag_189467299.shtml)
Related: Ernest Wilford (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=15), Matt Jones (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3128), Charles Sharon (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4122)

[AKM311]

Ummm, its pointless, he is still on Jax. So what is the point of this? Are you suggesting trading for him? I think he would have to be on the trade market for that.

I don't get the point of this thread.

[The Rook]

I am more concerned about Jason's protection (Oline) than another WR.








:helmet: The Rook

[Fred Jones]

As I look over our roster, it's become very clear to me that we have no receivers over 6'3" tall. Mike Espy's probably the tallest guy, and I think we all know he won't get a serious look from Gibbs.

So I thought to myself, "How about Reggie Williams from JAX?" Do you recall what he did to us last season? Do you remember the hit he took from Sean Taylor and how he got up and shook it off? (I think he really was hurt....haha!). Williams is a physical 6'4" WR with great hands and tremendous ability when given the chance. He's been seen "moping around in JAX", but I attribute that to their QB issues and multiple WRs in camp.

What do you guys think? JC needs at least ONE WR close to his height, right?


You need to be more specific. Define "moping around in Jax" and discuss his availability. More specifically, you can name lots of players under contract with other teams that would be a good fit here, but that does not mean the skins could in any way get them.

[skinthemboys]

As I look over our roster, it's become very clear to me that we have no receivers over 6'3" tall. Mike Espy's probably the tallest guy, and I think we all know he won't get a serious look from Gibbs.

So I thought to myself, "How about Reggie Williams from JAX?" Do you recall what he did to us last season? Do you remember the hit he took from Sean Taylor and how he got up and shook it off? (I think he really was hurt....haha!). Williams is a physical 6'4" WR with great hands and tremendous ability when given the chance. He's been seen "moping around in JAX", but I attribute that to their QB issues and multiple WRs in camp.

What do you guys think? JC needs at least ONE WR close to his height, right?

**** no. if JC is a good qb, he needs to prove it with the talent currently on the roster :2cents:

[Bleeding Burgundy]

now that you mention it, Julius Peppers would be good in burgundy and gold

[SkinsNoles21]

hes been demoted to the number five receiver and jville and they are considering releasing him.

No link, but I read it off of yahoo sports.

[Blondie]

Are we going to go through the list of WRs on each team?

If we are.......I get dibs on the next one.

:laugh: :rolleyes:

[#21Taylor4Ever]

I assumed you guys would realize that he's subject to being cut from the team. :)

Reggie Williams has been "moping around" and appeared "disinterested" at Jaguars training camp.

Well, this certainly isn't going to help you climb a depth chart. It's looking more and more likely that Williams, who also has been slow to pick up new coordinator Dirk Koetter's offense, will get a visit from the TURK.

Source: Florida Times Union

*TURK - The guy who comes to visit you when you're cut by the team you're trying out for.

[lovetoaster]

now that you mention it, Julius Peppers would be good in burgundy and gold

That Tom Brady guy sure would flourish in Al Saunders' offense.

[Blondie]

*TURK - The guy who comes to visit you when you're cut by the team you're trying out for.

OMG....is THAT what TURK means?

No one here knew that!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


J/K.

[tonyriggins]

You know what position to draft is going to be the fans choice next year. Same as it was this year. got to love them sexy wide recievers.

[Fifty Gut]

another high first round bust...

[#21Taylor4Ever]

OMG....is THAT what TURK means?

No one here knew that!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


J/K.

Just consider that my assisting those who couldn't grasp the initial post. :)

Oh wait, that was YOU!!!!!

:doh:

[Area51]

I would definitely bring him in if he gets cut. The guy does have a lot of talent and can be the big body receiver we need. I would love it if we got him, actually. He is not afraid to go over the middle and will hold on to the ball even if he gets crushed(see TD last year when Taylor hit him so hard his helmet flew off).

I just hope he gets cut.

[Blondie]

Just consider that my assisting those who couldn't grasp the initial post. :)

Oh wait, that was YOU!!!!!

:doh:


Come on baby..........gotta do better than that.

Bring your "A" game.

:laugh:

[kevin11]

Hell, We could trade Lloyd for him. But it wont happen.

[angel2]

As I look over our roster, it's become very clear to me that we have no receivers over 6'3" tall. Mike Espy's probably the tallest guy, and I think we all know he won't get a serious look from Gibbs.

So I thought to myself, "How about Reggie Williams from JAX?" Do you recall what he did to us last season? Do you remember the hit he took from Sean Taylor and how he got up and shook it off? (I think he really was hurt....haha!). Williams is a physical 6'4" WR with great hands and tremendous ability when given the chance. He's been seen "moping around in JAX", but I attribute that to their QB issues and multiple WRs in camp.

What do you guys think? JC needs at least ONE WR close to his height, right?


Reggie Williams has been "moping around" and appeared "disinterested" at Jaguars training camp.

Well, this certainly isn't going to help you climb a depth chart. It's looking more and more likely that Williams, who also has been slow to pick up new coordinator Dirk Koetter's offense, will get a visit from the Turk.
Source: Florida Times Union (http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/081607/jag_191788230.shtml)

Reggie Williams was listed as Jacksonville's third-team receiver on their initial depth chart behind Dennis Northcutt and Charles Sharon.
Coaches like to play games with early depth charts, but Williams is clearly in the doghouse. Matt Jones was behind Ernest Wilford on the other side. There is at least a chance Williams won't make the team; we would take him off draft boards for now.
Source: Florida Times Union (http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/080707/jag_189467299.shtml)
Related: Ernest Wilford (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=15), Matt Jones (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3128), Charles Sharon (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4122)





Pinkston is 6' 3".

[#21Taylor4Ever]

Pinkston is 6' 3".

I dont know how I missed Pinkston's name on the roster.

:doh:

[LongLostSkin]

Nooooo, he is terrible

[Laxpunk2006]

If he was cut he would be worth a look, but with this offense it's a little late in camp to be bringing in WR's besides just to have fresh legs. If we were to sign him this year he would likely have to be a role player similar to Darnerian McCants. I would not expect him to have a career renaissance in Washington if he can't cut it on the WR needy Jaguars. The veteran presence excuse doesn't work either considering he played with Jimmy Smith. The guy might become a player but I don't see it happening here.

[SkinsFTW]

Are we going to go through the list of WRs on each team?

If we are.......I get dibs on the next one.

:laugh: :rolleyes:

Yeah, how about Harrison, Holt, or Johnson.

Who needs Reggie Williams when those guys are still out there?

[Siven]

Pinkston is 6' 3".

and 83 lbs.

[Touchdown Redskins]

and 83 lbs.

82 lbs. now...he missed lunch.

[Birdlives]

Why not just title this thread "I think we need taller WR's" and be done with it.

[Higgs44]

I sure remember Sean Taylor lighting RW up in the end zone last year :cheers: Too Bad he hung on for the TD :doh:

I agree we really do need a tall end zone threat, just dont know if a guy who was considered a "man amongst boys" in college, then becomes a boy amongst men in the pros is the answer.

[illone]

Might as well go after Anquan Boldin. Afterall, the Skins can sign anyone they want, right?

[Birdlives]

Might as well go after Anquan Boldin. Afterall, the Skins can sign anyone they want, right?

NO. But we can trade Espy and a ham sammich for anyone. Call the Bidwells!

[Tha Ghost]

not with that attitude, you need to be excited to be playing football wherever your at

[jivelikenice]

Definitely give him a look...He wouldn't walk in and start but let him learn and maybe he can contribute by midseason. He has all the tools and has proven as much as every other receiver on this team except for Moss.

We saw what he can do when he played us last year....The Jags wanted him to be a star, we just need him to contribute...Absolutely worth a look.

[SkinsManNJ]

Lets trade him for Pinkston and we can get a guy without alligator arms who has the height we need. Damn I'm a genius. :D

[Goaldeje]

Man, you all are tough on the original thread starter. You do realize he is asking if we should/would be interested if RW was cut, right? Give the guy a break, geez.

As to his point, I personally would not want us to pursue him. I agree we need more height in our receivers, but I would not want him. I know he had a tremendous game against us last year, but a lot of receivers did that. And he a tremendous game against ... oh, wait, no one else. Not going to make it, imo.

If he's not interested in JAX, why would he be interested here?

[Phat Hog]

Not sure if being 'disgruntled' means other teams can go after him. JAX will want something in trade (like a draft pick) if it ever came down to it. I say, 'hell no'.

[StillUnknown]

thats how you know you're weak at a position, when we talk about every player from a position who may be available.

[Chief skin]

Oline is a priority as well as Dline

[Drex]

He's a guy who may just need a change of scenery, or he could be another 1st round WR bust.

The skins probably won't give him a look, but I am sure that another team will be more than willing to take a chance on him.

[Blondie]

Man, you all are tough on the original thread starter. You do realize he is asking if we should/would be interested if RW was cut, right? Give the guy a break, geez.




I am sure ALL of us understood the first post.

The point is......there will be many players cut.....some might still have some play left.........however......I think what most other posters were alluding to is not to have a thread for every possible player or scenerio.

[BigMike619]

now that you mention it, Julius Peppers would be good in burgundy and gold

so would Peyton and Harrison. ooooh and Urlacher. **** we should get Ladanian too!!!

HTTR!!

[FunBunch7]

Maybe Norv Turner would trade L.T. to us...I heard he has a nose for the goal line...this "might" be a bit of an upgrade over Portis.

...and another thing...Peyton Manning has been in Indianapolis way too long...maybe he'd like a change of scenery....?

But seriously, I would like to get a BIG TALL WR for the red zone. I just don't seeing too much quality being avaialble on the waiver wire...if some team has an "abundance" of Red Zone targets, maybe we could trade Brunell to them...lol

[#21Taylor4Ever]

I just wanna thank everyone who responded with constructive responses.

[BigMike619]

you are welcome.

[mlindsey13]

I think some of you guys are being way too cynical. The point of this thread is clear. We need taller and better receivers to compliment Moss. We have soooo much money tied up in #3 receivers, it's pathetic! Great thread; even if it isn't Reggie Williams, we need somebody!

[BigMike619]

maybe we can get manute bol to play WR next to George Muresan. i bet they could stretch the field out.

[Ruggala]

He stinks.

[mojobo]

If were going after tall jaxonville recievers why not go after Matt Jones instead? 6'6 238 good hands. Cooley also lines up as reciever and is 6'3 250 so theres not a complete lack of a tall receiving threat.

[#21Taylor4Ever]

I think some of you guys are being way too cynical. The point of this thread is clear. We need taller and better receivers to compliment Moss. We have soooo much money tied up in #3 receivers, it's pathetic! Great thread; even if it isn't Reggie Williams, we need somebody!

At least somebody understands the point of my thread.

I still dont understand how everyone went from a potential cut WR to trading for guys like Boldin, Harrison, Brady, etc....lol.

[dfos81]

As I look over our roster, it's become very clear to me that we have no receivers over 6'3" tall. Mike Espy's probably the tallest guy, and I think we all know he won't get a serious look from Gibbs.

So I thought to myself, "How about Reggie Williams from JAX?"

:doh: How many 6'3" or 6'4" wrs did Tom Brady or Peyton Manning have when they won the superbowls? It looks good on paper but this isn't a video game were tall wrs always dominate.

[Siven]

:doh: How many 6'3" or 6'4" wrs did Tom Brady or Peyton Manning have when they won the superbowls? It looks good on paper but this isn't a video game were tall wrs always dominate.

Randy Moss created this obsession with tall receivers. All the madden kids want some version of Randy Moss on our team.

[TheLongshot]

I still dont understand how everyone went from a potential cut WR to trading for guys like Boldin, Harrison, Brady, etc....lol.

I think because you weren't clear about Williams, since he's still on Jacksonville's roster.

Personally, I guess it would depend on how our receivers shake out in the preseason, which is still ongoing.

But, I think the need for a tall WR is a bit overrated, particularly since we already have Cooley.

Jason

[dfos81]

Randy Moss created this obsession with tall receivers. All the madden kids want some version of Randy Moss on our team.

:applause: Sorry but not even Randy has a superbowl yet, so obviously height has ZERO to do w/ being a good player/team.

If height was a very important factor how come we don't see more NBA players joining the nfl, I'm sure Jordan would've been a great MADDEN Wr. :laugh:

Back to reality, who would this Tall Wr replace? I mean if he couldn't make it in Jacksonville, how is he going to make it here? Reality says this isn't going to happen unless we traded somebody away for ex. Lloyd and a pick, which we all know how we feel about trading away picks.

[nace14]

let me get this straight....gibbs won't take a serious look at Espy who he kept on the practice squad last year and has been running with the 1's and 2's throughout camp, but he would be interested in a guy that is "mopping around camp"?
sometimes i really have to side with philly fans when they tell me that redskins fans have no idea about football, and that pains me to say.

[Siven]

:applause: Sorry but not even Randy has a superbowl yet, so obviously height has ZERO to do w/ being a good player/team.

If height was a very important factor how come we don't see more NBA players joining the nfl, I'm sure Jordan would've been a great MADDEN Wr. :laugh:

Back to reality, who would this Tall Wr replace? I mean if he couldn't make it in Jacksonville, how is he going to make it here? Reality says this isn't going to happen unless we traded somebody away for ex. Lloyd and a pick, which we all know how we feel about trading away picks.


Exactly. Height alone doesn't make a great receiver, because if it did, then Santana would suck. We need receivers that get open, thats the most important thing a receiver can do, and that has nothing to do with height.

[Enter Apotheosis]

Mike Espy's probably the tallest guy, and I think we all know he won't get a serious look from Gibbs.

Espy is only 5'11"... Lloyd, Bradford, and Pinkston are all taller. I don't get why it is that so many people think he's taller than he is :doh:


If were going after tall jaxonville recievers why not go after Matt Jones instead? 6'6 238 good hands.

I've heard rumors that Matt Jones is just playing to collect a paycheck, which is not exactly something the Skins need out of any player. He is a big target and he does have deep speed but it often also seems like he struggles to get real separation from his coverage.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

i know for a fact that he has ties in washington, so it wouldnt be too out of the question to think he might end up here. kid is a beast nonetheless.

[redskins55]

In all seriousness... Reggie Williams is not worth a trade. The Jaguars are unahppy with their recievers, and its been that way for years. Williams, Ernest Wilford, and Matt Jones have all underachieved. They can't run routes and cant get separation. Northcutt has impressed them in camp and was able to pass both Wilford and Williams on the depth chart. Secretly, Northcutt is getting better praise than their #1 WR Jones too. Even if Williams was available, we don't need that baggage on our team.

Jaguars season ticket holder 1995'-2006'

[spanishomelette]

In all seriousness... Reggie Williams is not worth a trade. The Jaguars are unahppy with their recievers, and its been that way for years. Williams, Ernest Wilford, and Matt Jones have all underachieved. They can't run routes and cant get separation. Northcutt has impressed them in camp and was able to pass both Wilford and Williams on the depth chart. Secretly, Northcutt is getting better praise than their #1 WR Jones too. Even if Williams was available, we don't need that baggage on our team.

Jaguars season ticket holder 1995'-2006'
Too bad...I thought he looked pretty good last year in the one game, but if he is an underachiever, having a hard time picking up the offense, and has a 'tude...3 strikes right there.

[#21Taylor4Ever]

let me get this straight....gibbs won't take a serious look at Espy who he kept on the practice squad last year and has been running with the 1's and 2's throughout camp, but he would be interested in a guy that is "mopping around camp"?
sometimes i really have to side with philly fans when they tell me that redskins fans have no idea about football, and that pains me to say.

I have no idea about football because I think Reggie Williams would be a nice fit in Washington? I hate to tell you this kiddo, but it's YOU who has no idea about football, and if you're thinking of siding with the Eagles, maybe you should go join em. :)

There have been MANY players who excelled after changing scenery. Dillon is a prime example of someone who was seen "moping around" Bengals camp only to be reborn in N.E.

I love Mike Espy, but the point of my post was that we should take a serious look at a tall WR....something we lack ever since we gave up on McCants.

[TheDarb]

Reggie Williams is a complete flake. He's also been ineffective but for 2 or 3 games in his career.

Think Michael Westbrook's attitude with Brandon Lloyd's production.

Pass.

[wpenn1]

sure he would be better than pinkston but is this a real possibility

[Peregrine]

First, you JUST noticed we didnt have any recievers over 6'3"? Nothing gets past you, does it...

Second, I think you will find very few people on there that want a "moper" who is "disinterested". Many think we have 1 too many.

[TheTotalPackage]

we need someone with his body type. i guess nobody caught randle el (or whichever of the smurfs it was) fumbling after being hit crossing the middle last week. those who say we don't need a "big" to win are deluding themselves. true, tom brady won without a big, but we don't run belchick's offense. we aren't really running a true joe gibbs offense but he's trying get saunders to lean toward some of his philosophy (i.e. running the ball up the gut more). another key component of his philosophy that won us three super bowls is having a "Big".

Think Art Monk.

cooley is big, but the fact is, he, sellers and yoder are all either tight ends or h-backs, not WR. The players that play this position have different responsibilities than a straight up WR so cooley does not necessarily fill the void of not having a Big. some defenses have figured out how to neutralize our TE/H-back/FB position and limit their production going across the middle by taking advantage of them not being at the LOS or backfield by blitzing. if you watched last week's game you saw that we are having problems with the O-Line, so the TE often had to stay back to help out on pass protection, leaving the smurfs with the task of going across the middle. you saw those results (randle el jacked up and fumbling).

So it would help if we had a "Big" number 2 or 3 WR to take some of the pressure off of moss, cooley (and the O-line). We need a Monk. If RW can take a hit from ST and score anyway, he's potentially as good or better for this role than anyone else that'll be available. if he's released, it couldn't hurt to sign him and see if it'd work out.

[Riggins77]

That Ocho Cinco guy is pretty good....we should offer him vet min + incentives

[nace14]

I have no idea about football because I think Reggie Williams would be a nice fit in Washington? I hate to tell you this kiddo, but it's YOU who has no idea about football, and if you're thinking of siding with the Eagles, maybe you should go join em. :)

There have been MANY players who excelled after changing scenery. Dillon is a prime example of someone who was seen "moping around" Bengals camp only to be reborn in N.E.

I love Mike Espy, but the point of my post was that we should take a serious look at a tall WR....something we lack ever since we gave up on McCants.

read my post. that's not what i said, i said you don't have any idea b/c you seem to think that gibbs is willing to take a good look at a guy showing a bad attitude as opposed to a guy that he has watched bust his tail for a year on the practice squad and now in training camp again.
thanks for further proving my point without making me say it out.
and to address your last paragraph. it is training camp, not free agency. we should be looking at our players not disgruntled players. and furthermore, mccants always sucked even when he was darkarian here. the entire league gave up on him when he proved that he was nothing great.

[#21Taylor4Ever]

read my post. that's not what i said, i said you don't have any idea b/c you seem to think that gibbs is willing to take a good look at a guy showing a bad attitude as opposed to a guy that he has watched bust his tail for a year on the practice squad and now in training camp again.
thanks for further proving my point without making me say it out.
and to address your last paragraph. it is training camp, not free agency. we should be looking at our players not disgruntled players. and furthermore, mccants always sucked even when he was darkarian here. the entire league gave up on him when he proved that he was nothing great.


And I say again for the millionth time....sometimes a disgruntled player simply needs a change of scenery. Reggie Williams definitely has the potential to be a nice #2. The Jags already have Wilford and Matt Jones, then they go and draft Mike Walker too.

If Williams is cut, we should take a look at him. <<<<<< Point of my thread.

Would you rather we sign Robert Ferguson? :laugh:

[#21Taylor4Ever]

First, you JUST noticed we didnt have any recievers over 6'3"? Nothing gets past you, does it...

Second, I think you will find very few people on there that want a "moper" who is "disinterested". Many think we have 1 too many.

When did ExtremeSkins.com become a website in which Skins fans attempt to insult and bash one another every chance they get? Are we all Skins fan or what?

Slinging online insults....pointless to say the least.

[Taylor 21]

I would accept him, over most of our receivers because they are short and this guy is tall.

[mcarey032]

Right now, I am only interested in players who are on this roster.

[TheTotalPackage]

well so much for the opposition to signing Reggie Williams because of Gibbs' loyalty to Espy.

Espy is done for the season. what say you now?

[turbodiesel#44]

If we could get Pinkston up on Cooleys shoulders, we would have a 9'-6" reciever with 3 hands.

[Yeen80]

Ummm, its pointless, he is still on Jax. So what is the point of this? Are you suggesting trading for him? I think he would have to be on the trade market for that.

I don't get the point of this thread.

I was confused when I read the heading on this thread. You made it seem as if he was readily available. Clearly he's not.

To second the quote above, why would you think he'd be available? Jacksonville has a receivers problem as well.

[#21Taylor4Ever]

I was confused when I read the heading on this thread. You made it seem as if he was readily available. Clearly he's not.

To second the quote above, why would you think he'd be available? Jacksonville has a receivers problem as well.

The point of this thread, AGAIN, was to say that we could possibly take a look at Reggie Williams IF he were cut, since that seems to be the talk coming out of Jax.

Had I known my thread would be this confusing, I would've written it in spanish.

:doh:

[Koolblue13]

When did ExtremeSkins.com become a website in which Skins fans attempt to insult and bash one another every chance they get? Are we all Skins fan or what?

Slinging online insults....pointless to say the least.

I think it happened after the 4,000th "hey we should sign blah blah blah, because of blah blah blah" thread.

[JoeSkins]

Assuming Reggie Williams gets cut, I'd have to say pass. He's been nothing but a dog for that team, and recently has developed a bit of an attitude problem which is a sense of entitlement due to a lack of field time despite where he was picked. He hasn't produced, leading to Ernest Wilford being the team's biggest play maker. When a guy with 4.8 speed has become a team's best option at wideout, that means the rest of the roster is lacking. Dennis Northcutt is starting over him, even though he was just picked up this offseason.

I could be wrong. A change of scenery, and an escape from that lame offense and terrible quarterbacks might do him some good. However, in watching him play I just don't see anything that reflects his top 10 pick status.

[panel]

I don't understand the fascination with having a tall WR. If you can make up for your size and put up as much productions as a tall guy, why would you still favor the tall guy?

It doesn't matter if all our guys are short if they can all get open.