Sports Reporters Segment On Redskins/Cowboys Rivalry

[Shadowplay]

Didn't see this posted...

The Sports Reporters on ESPN just did a piece on the Redskins/Cowboys rivalry and the ultimate demise of this rivalry. The blame was predicatbly put at the feet of the two owners. There was also more buzz about the Cowboys, heck the Skins were basically dismissed as a credible NFL team. They talked about Romo but there wasn't a single mention of a Redskin player.

Bob Ryan said "Dan Snyder has presided over the utter demise of a once proud franchise and it's been a complete disaster with Joe Gibbs and they're going nowhere".

I like Ryan, but it should have been pointed out that the Redskins have been to a playoff game recently, even won one. So while I agree that the Skins season look somewhat bleak this year, there has been some success.

The point that I do agree with was about Snyder. His style of running this organization has resulted in a team viewed as a laughingstock by the rest of the league. You can't build a team devoid of draft picks and stocked with high price agents while subsequently letting your own players go.

Mike Lupica took a smarmy shot at Snyder. I see a lot in common between these two. Both are guys that clearly have "little man's disease".

It's clear that none of the people on the panel have watched a minute of the preseason or know anything about how this year's team is shaping up. Heck, they were even showing clips from last season...

[RFK Lives]

Sorry I missed it but they must be reaching for material. Lupica has some good things to say from time to time but there are times I would like to reach in to the TV and smack him around a little bit.
Face it, it's a different NFL. Free Agency and parity has killed dynasties and effectively killed rivalries. They could have done a piece on the demise of the Packers/Bears rivalry, same thing. It's not as heated as it was.

[Rocky21]

People have been saying this rivalry is dead for years and I just don't get it. If you were at Fed Ex the last few games between the two - you get it.

[21dave]

I can't stand the Sports Reporters. Lupica has singlehandily run that show in the ground after Dick Schaap passed away

[jrfriedm]

I saw the segment and had to hold myself back from throwing the remote through the TV. I pray that Campbell is okay, and we just kick the crap out the entire league this year, and put it right in those losers faces.

[Park City Skins]

Oh I think the rivalry is there to a certain extent,(certainly amongst fans it still is), but not what it was. That can change very fast if they get back to a very good reason it existed back in the day. Both teams battling it out for the division and the playoffs.

[RFK Lives]

I can't stand the Sports Reporters. Lupica has singlehandily run that show in the ground after Dick Schaap passed away
Because none of them could hold Schaap's jock but now they are all jockeying for position to be the lead. I like Saunders' but he will never have the presence of a Schaap. The show was an intelligent forum back then now it just seems like who can talk the loudest or make the most outrageous or infuriating statement. I love the show's premise but I agree that it has not been the same since Schaap passing away.

[30yrheel]

Lupica is a punk, I'd like to punch him too. The rivalry isn't dead, it's just that neither team has won much in a long, long time. I think that was the point.

[GaryClarkFan]

Lupica should know all about "Little man's disease", the little smart assed prick that he is!!!

P.S.-**** Bob Ryan too!:point2sky

[jnhay]

The rivalry is still very much alive. Just watch a Redskins fan talk to a Cowboys fan. These guys obviously haven't.

[RFK Lives]

Oh I think the rivalry is there to a certain extent,(certainly amongst fans it still is), but not what it was. That can change very fast if they get back to a very good reason it existed back in the day. Both teams battling it out for the division and the playoffs.
It certainly still lives and breathes on this board but I guess not to the average NFL fan out there. A game of meaning between the two will cure it for them and I guess that is all they are remembering, the games of 70's, 80's when there was always something on the line.

[jnhay]

Gatorade isn't poured on Gibbs' back during the regular season unless it has to do with a win in Dallas.

[tonyriggins]

I agree with them about what they had to say about the owners. Damn I wish Snyder was old like Jerry.

[Califan007]

Bob Ryan said "Dan Snyder has presided over the utter demise of a once proud franchise and it's been a complete disaster with Joe Gibbs and they're going nowhere".

Somebody should have told him that since Gibbs' retirement the first time around, the Skins' record that Snyder has "presided over" is better than the record before he owned the team, their drafting record is better...and that Snyder has "presided over" the only two playoff births (and playoff wins) the Skins have had since Gibbs took them there during his heyday.

Or to put it more bluntly, the Skins have improved under Snyder, not gotten worse.

[Vinnick]

Free Agency has killed it for the players. For the fans, its still kind of there.

Both teams have struggled the past decade. Nobody wants to talk about Dallas' lack of post season success since the mid-Clinton years. But, its a fact.

[SkinsHokieFan]

We just need to beat them in a playoff game again

[JCav06]

what irked me was when bob ryan said that joe gibbs' second run hasn't panned out when he has had more playoff sucess (granted, one win) than parcells. what i find even more funny is that a year ago, everybody (especially us) thought that the redskins were going to go deep into the playoffs but now this is a franchise that "is going nowhere."

[Califan007]

what irked me was when bob ryan said that joe gibbs' second run hasn't panned out when he has had more playoff sucess (granted, one win) than parcells. what i find even more funny is that a year ago, everybody (especially us) thought that the redskins were going to go deep into the playoffs but now this is a franchise that "is going nowhere."
Exactly...there were sports writers and broadcasters literally apologizing in 2005 for doubting Gibbs...and now a year later Gibbs is once again a failure.

The opinions sorta piss me off, but the fact that they get both money AND status for these asinine opinions is what REALLY pisses me off lol :laugh:...

[scruffylookin]

Free Agency has killed it for the players. For the fans, its still kind of there.

Both teams have struggled the past decade. Nobody wants to talk about Dallas' lack of post season success since the mid-Clinton years. But, its a fact.

Well said.

Do these folks realize that the Redskins have been the better of the two organizations for the last 10 seasons (97-06)?

Fact is, it's because both teams have fallen off the top shelf of NFL teams and no longer battle it out for playoff births and NFC titles that the rivalry no longer is a hot property nationally.

Still, it doesn't take much to get the national hype rekindled. It sure seemed like old times to me the week leading up to the December showdown for a playoff spot back in 05.

[Cdowwe]

For me, the rivalry has always been great because my lifelong best friend is a Cowboys fan, and we have been going at it for as long as I remember. The fact we have an on going bet for each game makes it better.

[Califan007]

Well said.

Do these folks realize that the Redskins have been the better of the two organizations for the last 10 seasons (97-06)?
Nope, they don't...hell, half of the Skins' fans and ALL of the Cowboys fans don't realize it lol :laugh:

[thelongestbreath]

For me, the rivalry has always been great because my lifelong best friend is a Cowboys fan, and we have been going at it for as long as I remember. The fact we have an on going bet for each game makes it better.


You can't choose your family, but you can choose your friends....and you picked a cowboys fan. :doh: :laugh:

I can sort of see what they're saying though, it's not as big as it used to be. We can contribute it to free agency, no purpose behind the game, the wine-and-cheese crowd that seems to be taking over FedEx, or any other reason but the rivalry outside of the die hard fans has slowly dissapeared.

As for me, there's nothing bigger in a season outside of a superbowl victory than a sweep over Dallas.

[twa]

Face it ,both the Skin's and Boys have been relegated to second tier status in the East in the recent past with Philly's dominance in the nationwide view.

I believe this will, and is,changing with the two regaining the distinction of competing as ruling champs of the Beasts of the East.

The rivalry certainly remains strong between the faithful,but on a national viewing level is not near the clash of titans of the past.

[SkinsFTW]

They are right about the rivalry but Gibbs has brought it back somewhat.

The good thing is that we should own the Pukes with Phillips coaching them. His teams lose rivalry games.

He never beat the Raiders in Denver and Parcells owned him when he was in Buffalo. His final year there he got blown out at home and lost 6 of 8 divisional games. The 2 he won were by 3 points and the Bills were supposed to be the best team in the division but lost 4 of 5 to miss the playoffs, 3 of them were against divisional opponents. Sounds kinda like Norv here. The Pats were bad then, but they still knocked Buffalo out of the playoff race when they beat them in Buffalo.

Also, Williams should know a lot about him since he took over Buffalo after he got canned.

Just imagine, a coach who can't motivate his players in a rivalry matchup, TO being TO, and him and Glenn having to run routes with ST and Landry keying on them. Without Parcells on the sideline I don't see these guys wanting to face that. :D

[xsquid]

I feel myself closer to choking Lupica rather than punching him,at least then he would not be able to talk.I'm fine with the rest of the guys.

[C26 Run]

Once again, some people find yet another reason to dislike Dan Snyder. One thing to say to all this, he is the owner. Get over it. This Rivalry was on life support during the Turner/Spurrier eras but not dead. Never dead, never will be dead. They didn't even bother to mention a Redskins player. So that proves how bias and ridiculous most of those guys can be. :helmet:

[jbooma]

The rivalry is still very much alive. Just watch a Redskins fan talk to a Cowboys fan. These guys obviously haven't.


What they meant was most of the games mean nothing since one of the teams are normally no good. I hate to break it to everyone but without the one year in the playoffs we have been a terrible franchise. To even get into the playoffs that year we had to win 5 straight games.

In the past Redskins vs Cowboys yes to be a game that showed the best teams in the NFC and now at times it is a game that is not even the best teams in the NFC East.

One interesting point they made is the moves by Synder have hidden the fact if Gibbs still has it or not. They can not tell how good Gibbs is still because of the moves by this team.

Lets hope this year it changes. What we have seen in the preseason though does not give us much confidence.

[mcarey032]

I agree that the fans still carry the hatred for the Cowboys for their team, city, and fans, but among the players, there isn't that much of a rivalry among the players. I wish for the day when the fun bunch tried to do the Celebration in the endzone and then dallas tried to break it up. Really, the rivalry has softened since we had a former cowboy coordinator heading this team. Unforturnately, we have not fully recovered from that stint yet. I have been encouraged from the last couple of years, but it is starting to feel like the red sox and the Yankees. The Cowboys being the yankees and us being the red sox. And like that rivalry, the red sox are starting to turn the corner on yankees and we are starting to turn the corner on the cowboys.