Will Newman and Ellis' Injuries Spell Doom For Wade?

[tr1]

Considering that replacements for these two players won't be nearly as competent and that the only other change is Hamlin, I'd have to say Wade is a bit frightened right now.

That tweener Spencer has just not set the world on fire...and Glen for Newman, eh, well...need I say more?

I understand Wade acknowledged his team has some issues today.

And when will we get the real story on Ellis? Looks like he's going to see more doctors at his own request...my thinking is he retires.

So next year, puke pals, expect your first two picks to be on the defensive side...though, you do need a running back... :laugh:

[DWinzit]

So next year, puke pals, expect your first two picks to be on the defensive side...though, you do need a running back... :laugh:That's all the Cowboys have drafting in the first round for years. Unless I'm mistaken, their last first rounder on the offensive side was TE David LaFleur in 1997!

[Terence Newman 41]

That's all the Cowboys have drafting in the first round for years. Unless I'm mistaken, their last first rounder on the offensive side was TE David LaFleur in 1997!

That is correct.

[DWinzit]

That is correct.:yikes:This is very surprising. After looking further into their drafts, Lafleur is the only offensive player taken in the 1st round by Dallas since Alvin Harper in 1991!

[HeHateMe]

:yikes:This is very surprising. After looking further into their drafts, Lafleur is the only offensive player taken in the 1st round by Dallas since Alvin Harper in 1991!

Not a first rounder in the bunch and still a top 4 offense last season.

Not bad at all.

[Gilgamesh]

I have Seahawk friends who are very much looking forward to watching Hamlin disappoint.

[DWinzit]

Not a first rounder in the bunch and still a top 4 offense last season.

Not bad at all.All those defensive picks and still you must revert to FA for at least 4 defensive starters!
OBTW, only one guy who can cover and he is hurting!

[bubba9497]

Not a first rounder in the bunch and still a top 4 offense last season.

Not bad at all.


and not a playoff win in a decade


not bad at all.................... for the Redskin fans

[tr1]

Not a first rounder in the bunch and still a top 4 offense last season.

Not bad at all.

It wouldn't be bad if you had a playoff win to show for it... :laugh:

The pukes are a below-average to average team.

[bbailey423]

wow...just wow...can you guys have a little more dignity...the way you roll off stats about the Cowboys one would think you actually are a big fan...oh wait a minute...perhaps you really do......

[DWinzit]

wow...just wow...can you guys have a little more dignity...the way you roll off stats about the Cowboys one would think you actually are a big fan...oh wait a minute...perhaps you really do......Dude, you're Cowboy fan on a Redskin board.........:rolleyes: :laugh:

[Switchgear]

wow...just wow...can you guys have a little more dignity...the way you roll off stats about the Cowboys one would think you actually are a big fan...oh wait a minute...perhaps you really do......

Translation: Please stop talking about the Cowboys, because I don't want to hear what you have to say. So I'll infer that because you know something about a team you must be a fan of that team.

Weak, just weak.

I will agree with his (unintended?) overall sentiment that Cowboys fans (tend to) lack dignity.

[SkinsFTW]

Dude, you're Cowboy fan on a Redskin board.........:rolleyes: :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Seriously, do any of us frequent the Puke board?

I hope not.

What's the point?

[SkinsFTW]

and not a playoff win in a decade


not bad at all.................... for the Redskin fans

Actually it's more than a decade. Their last postseason win was the SB Neil O'Donnell bet money against his own team on. :laugh: :laugh:

[ouvan59]

Dude, you're Cowboy fan on a Redskin board.........:rolleyes: :laugh:

There is zero chance he gets the irony of that statement. :laugh:

[ouvan59]

Actually it's more than a decade. Their last postseason win was the SB Neil O'Donnell bet money against his own team on.

They actually won a wildcard game the next year but you are correct. That was 11 seasons ago.

[Popeman38]

Not a first rounder in the bunch and still a top 4 offense last season.

Not bad at all.All those first rounders on defense, and still NOT a top 10 D.

Not good at all.

[Popeman38]

They actually won a wildcard game the next year but you are correct. That was 11 seasons ago.All that need to be said about Dallas' playoff run since 1996 is this:

NFC: Arizona 20, Dallas 7


http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/sbxxxiii/rev/nfc10299.asp

[mbws]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Seriously, do any of us frequent the Puke board?

I hope not.

What's the point?



Never. Not even once.

:dallasuck

[SkinsFTW]

They actually won a wildcard game the next year but you are correct. That was 11 seasons ago.

Dude, that was bait. :laugh: :laugh:

[ouvan59]

Dude, that was bait. :laugh: :laugh:

Crap, my bad. ;)

[onedrop]

what spells doom for wade is the fact that he sucks.

[ImmortalDragon]

I don't think Ellis means that much to the defense, but if Newman is going to have a lingering injury that affects his play, I don't think they have a chance at the playoffs.

[Popeman38]

I don't think Ellis means that much to the defense, but if Newman is going to have a lingering injury that affects his play, I don't think they have a chance at the playoffs.Without Ellis, they are forced to play a rookie. A rookie who played like a certain Highway 57 did in DC last year. A rookie who has shown a propensity to be stonewalled by a TE. Ellis means a lot to the Boys D. Without Ellis, Ware can be double teamed.

[Califan007]

wow...just wow...can you guys have a little more dignity...the way you roll off stats about the Cowboys one would think you actually are a big fan...oh wait a minute...perhaps you really do......
"Perhaps you really do.." ????...Huh? Perhaps we really do what?

[Matt [Redskins Fan]]

wow...just wow...can you guys have a little more dignity...the way you roll off stats about the Cowboys one would think you actually are a big fan...oh wait a minute...perhaps you really do......

Know your enemy. Know yourself.

Two tips to keep you from sounding retarded. Try it sometime!

[ouvan59]

I don't think Ellis means that much to the defense, but if Newman is going to have a lingering injury that affects his play, I don't think they have a chance at the playoffs.

According to most of the Poke brethren on this board Ellis' loss last year and a slightly dinged up Anthony Henry were the reasons for their defensive collapse last year. Now they are without Ellis and have a dinged up Terrance Newman. Should be interesting to hear the spin on this.

[dfos81]

Not a first rounder in the bunch and still a top 4 offense last season.

Not bad at all.

Maybe if Dallas stops drafting on the defensive side the D will be just as good as the O.

[Popeman38]

Maybe if Dallas stops drafting on the defensive side the D will be just as good as the O.If they don't draft offense, and stop drafting defense, all that is left is to trade picks for old gizzled vets.:wavetowel

[TEK2000]

According to most of the Poke brethren on this board Ellis' loss last year and a slightly dinged up Anthony Henry were the reasons for their defensive collapse last year. Now they are without Ellis and have a dinged up Terrance Newman. Should be interesting to hear the spin on this.

There was more to it than that actually.

What spin? Every Cowboys fan knows how important Terrence Newman is to our defense. If they don't they are an idiot.

Without Newman.... we have to put Roy in deep coverage to help Newman's replacement. We have to run more zone coverages because Newman was very good man to man.

With Roy having to play deeper, we lose having him fill a gap in run support which forces us to depend more on our ILB's for run stopping.

Losing a player of his caliber hurts the entire defense.

There are 3 players on our roster that we absolutely cannot afford to lose: Romo, Ware, Newman... and its looking like Newman will definitely not be 100%.

[Popeman38]

Without Newman.... we have to put Roy in deep coverage to help Newman's replacement. We have to run more zone coverages because Newman was very good man to man.These are beautiful words to hear for the rest of the league. The worst safety in coverage (outside Archuleta) having to help in coverage. Can you say burnt?

[MidwayMonster31]

If they do go into zone coverage, that would mean less angle-blitzing. If the quarterback sees the blitz, they will dump it off to the vacated spot by the defender for slow but effective gains. They might run into the same problems with pressure that they did last year.

[TEK2000]

These are beautiful words to hear for the rest of the league. The worst safety in coverage (outside Archuleta) having to help in coverage. Can you say burnt?

Fortunately, we know that isn't even close to the truth.

[Thetimeisnow]

Dallas will be the laughing stock of the NFL this year.

[ouvan59]

There was more to it than that actually.

What spin? Every Cowboys fan knows how important Terrence Newman is to our defense. If they don't they are an idiot.

Without Newman.... we have to put Roy in deep coverage to help Newman's replacement. We have to run more zone coverages because Newman was very good man to man.

With Roy having to play deeper, we lose having him fill a gap in run support which forces us to depend more on our ILB's for run stopping.

Losing a player of his caliber hurts the entire defense.

There are 3 players on our roster that we absolutely cannot afford to lose: Romo, Ware, Newman... and its looking like Newman will definitely not be 100%.

That is a good take. This isn't the deathknell for Dallas' D but it sure hurts. As we saw last year it really affects everything else you do.

That being said I still stand by my claim that most of your fellow Cowboy fans will be on here this week and they will totally minimize his loss.

[doncherry]

this is big, really big. This will hurt the Dallas D. I really hope that they can find another corner somehow, but I just can't see that happening.

[dfos81]

We all know what happened to Dallas's D w/ only 1 major injury last year. It will be fun to see teams going up and down the field on Dallas this year, and also to see how many points the offense will have to put up to win games.

[Popeman38]

Fortunately, we know that isn't even close to the truth.What? Even ESPN and your fellow Cowbiy bretheren are starting to acknowledge that Roy Williams is only a good safety when he is asked to play arounf the LOS. For evidence of this, go back and watch Santana run past him for not 1, but 2 TD in the last 4 min of the 2005 MNF game. All he was supposed to do is prevent a WR from getting behind him. He failed. If you can't see his lack of coverage skills, you are wearing your Cowboy glasses. Watch tape. It ain't pretty.

[TEK2000]

What? Even ESPN and your fellow Cowbiy bretheren are starting to acknowledge that Roy Williams is only a good safety when he is asked to play arounf the LOS. For evidence of this, go back and watch Santana run past him for not 1, but 2 TD in the last 4 min of the 2005 MNF game. All he was supposed to do is prevent a WR from getting behind him. He failed. If you can't see his lack of coverage skills, you are wearing your Cowboy glasses. Watch tape. It ain't pretty.

You said he was the 2nd worst safety in the league at coverage.... which isn't close to being true.

After the responses I've posted in this thread and others... I can see how you could gather that I don't actually watch the games. :rolleyes:

[Riggo#44]

Fortunately, we know that isn't even close to the truth.

Even Wade Phillips acknowledged Williams coverage defincies. Are you really going to try and spin that too?

[Riggo#44]

You said he was the 2nd worst safety in the league at coverage.... which isn't close to being true.

Actually KC Joyner put Williams near the bottom of the league in coverage. Only Cowboy fans think Williams can cover. Go watch the playoff game against the Seahawks last year. Watch mediocre-at-best TE Jerramy Stevens toast Willams for 2 TDs.

[TEK2000]

Even Wade Phillips acknowledged Williams coverage defincies. Are you really going to try and spin that too?

Read, comprehend, then reply.

[TEK2000]

Actually KC Joyner put Williams near the bottom of the league in coverage. Only Cowboy fans think Williams can cover. Go watch the playoff game against the Seahawks last year. Watch mediocre-at-best TE Jerramy Stevens toast Willams for 2 TDs.

Post what Joyner's metrics and rankings of Roy Williams are.

[dfos81]

We all know Dallas will struggle to stop the pass this year, even more so if Newman is out.
To try and make a Cowboy fan belive they will struggle is really a waste of time, but it will be nice to say we told you so on ES 1st.

Maybe thats why the Cowboy fans that are on ES come back so often, they wanna to know the truth, even if it hurts.

[Riggo#44]

Post what Joyner's metrics and rankings of Roy Williams are.

The problem is that these two have not been able to cover up for the deficiencies of the Dallas safeties. Roy Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5894), the Cowboys strong safety, has Pro Bowl caliber run-stuffing abilities but his coverage abilities always have been suspect. This year has been no different.

To put Williams' 11.9 yards per attempt into perspective, consider that it would have ranked him 33rd in the league in that metric in 2005. It is also two yards worse than Williams' 2005 season-ending total in that metric.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2651651

Read, comprehend, then reply.

[Popeman38]

You said he was the 2nd worst safety in the league at coverage.... which isn't close to being true.

After the responses I've posted in this thread and others... I can see how you could gather that I don't actually watch the games. :rolleyes:Obviously you said it, so it must be true. Listen to the media. They will tell you that if the Cowboys are forced to drop Roy into coverage, they are in serious trouble. Troy Aikman even admits as much. He doesn't see the Cowboys finishing as well as everybody else does, and I think he should know. He says they finish with a worse record than last year.

[DallasCowboyFan156]

I'm not worried about not having Ellis. I think that Spencer can provide a decent replacement for him if he's not able to go. Obviously, he isn't as good as Ellis is but I think that he'll be good enough as a rookie to hold his own. I am worried about Newman. Without him we've got Anthony Henry, Aaron Glenn and then who? Jacques Reeves? I'm fairly confident in Anthony Henry's ability to cover but I have my doubts with Aaron Glenn. But even then, these guys should be able to hold enough for us to be a good team. What worries me is when the opposing offenses start going to sets with three or four wide recievers. Then we're gonna have to rely on some of these younger inexperienced guys to get in there and make plays and frankly I just don't have confidence that they can do that.

[TEK2000]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2651651

Read, comprehend, then reply.

No duh he has a high YPA... he was in deep coverage playing in a cover 2 defense much of the season. He was lined up 15+ yards deep on almost every single play. This is exactly Joyner's problem... pretty good at gathering the stats... not good at using the stats.

Why is it 2 yards worse than his 2005 metric? Perhaps its because he was lined up deeper in coverage than in 2005.

Its common sense and he forgot to use it. Deep cover safeties are going to have higher YPA ratings than guys that play closer to the LOS.

How about showing some stats that mean something... success%, TD's allowed, etc. etc.

You actually pay for insider access to BSPN?

Look... I'm not saying he's great in coverage or anything.. I know he's not. I'm saying he's not even close to be the worst covering safety in the league.

[Riggo#44]

No duh he has a high YPA... he was in deep coverage playing in a cover 2 defense much of the season. He was lined up 15+ yards deep on almost every single play. This is exactly Joyner's problem... pretty good at gathering the stats... not good at using the stats.

Why is it 2 yards worse than his 2005 metric? Perhaps its because he was lined up deeper in coverage than in 2005.

Its common sense and he forgot to use it. Deep cover safeties are going to have higher YPA ratings than guys that play closer to the LOS.

How about showing some stats that mean something... success%, TD's allowed, etc. etc.

You actually pay for insider access to BSPN?

Look... I'm not saying he's great in coverage or anything.. I know he's not. I'm saying he's not even close to be the worst covering safety in the league.

Whatever dude. You asked for it. You got proven wrong again. And now you spin with a very weak argument.

You are a typical Cowboys fan.

[Tyron Biggums]

We Want Dallas! We Want Dallas! We Want Dallas!


:dallasuck :laugh:

[DCranon21]

and not a playoff win in a decade


not bad at all.................... for the Redskin fans


:laugh: :laugh: It's funny how they forget about that Bubba

[TEK2000]

Whatever dude. You asked for it. You got proven wrong again. And now you spin with a very weak argument.

You are a typical Cowboys fan.

"Whatever" is your response? :laugh:

Boy you really got me there. :doh:

[Popeman38]

"Whatever" is your response? :laugh:

Boy you really got me there. :doh:I will go slow:

You asked for stats.


Stats were provided to you from a so called "expert" in the media.


You say stats are bogus because you say so and they don't fit your argument.


You then say give me other stats that prove me right.


Riggo says whatever dude and blows you off because you will never admit that we provided what you asked for.


Slow enough for ya?

[TEK2000]

I will go slow:

You asked for stats.


Stats were provided to you from a so called "expert" in the media.


You say stats are bogus because you say so and they don't fit your argument.


You then say give me other stats that prove me right.


Riggo says whatever dude and blows you off because you will never admit that we provided what you asked for.


Slow enough for ya?

Man... you guys are just really thick headed here. I've said it numerous times... I'm not arguing that Roy is great at coverage.. I'm saying that your statement that he's the worst (or 2nd worst) coverage safety is far from the truth.

What you don't get is that NOTHING that Joyner said points out that "Roy Williams is the 2nd worst coverage safety in the league".

What is DOES say is that Roy ranked 33rd in 1 stat which makes him an average coverage safety because Joyner should have ranked about 80 safeties.

Pro Football Prospectus 2007:

81 safeties were ranked.

Roy Williams: 52 Targets, 59% success% which ranks 21st, 8.8 yards per pass which ranks 50th, 9 PD's and 5 INT's.

Yeah... it really looks like you're right Pope... he was 2nd worst in the league. :doh:

And by the way... as far as my point that Deep coverage safeties would have a higher YPA than others....

Ed Reed ranked 71st with an average of 11.7 yards per pass.

Holy Crap... how does a great covering safety like Ed Reed wind up being so terrible in YPA? Well, like I said already, he'd obviously give up longer passes because he's FARTHER FROM THE LINE OF SCIMMAGE.

[onedrop]

Man... you guys are just really thick headed here.

then beat it.

[dfos81]

Well, we can all agree that Newman being hampered this season and Ellis not seeing much, if any playing time is good news for the rest of the Nfc east.

If Wade starts playing Roy in deep coverage then thats even better news for the rest of the nfc east.

I watched Roy play for a long while, me being an OU fan, just as much as I am a Redskins fan.
I think Bill Parcells said it best, he is 1 biscuit away from being a LBer, which we all can read between the lines and understand what BP meant.

I love to see how Dallas fans spin BP quitting on his team, that he built, saying that Greg Ellis will recover better than Pierson would(don't forget about the new guy Landry that will start ahead of Pierson and Pierson has been playing well at 110% if you watch the games. Romo will know who #30 is before the seasons end, bet that). Let Romo Roll out on Landry side of the field :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Also Downplaying losing Ellis last year, saying that Anthony Spencer will be a good replacement for Ellis, and Spencer hasn't proven anything, not even in preseason. Not to mention a 1st rd BUST(Carpenter) that can't find a position, 1 Cowboy fan says he is going to be the MLb, now he is be placed at outside, WTF is he? MLB or OLB? I may have it backwards they may be moving him from the OLB to MLB, who knows.

I would say our 2nd rd pick from the "U" has already proven he is going to have a much better future, taking the OLB spot from former OLB/MLB starter Lemar Marshall and he has made numerous plays throughout pre season. I bet we would still have Marshall if Rocky didn't take it from him by playing so good.

Back to the Inept Cowpatties,
Not to mention Terry " alligator arms" Glenn or MeShe Glenn, whatever his name is on ES has had some problems that may keep him out of some games this year and Cowboy fans don't realize that Glenn was an overall better wr than T.O. last year, so that can't help.

Now Dallas's so called best Cb in the nfc is going through some problems but everything is all hunky dory in Big D and they will be the team to represent for the NFC in the Superbowl :rolleyes:

How does a team go from 0 playoff wins in 10yrs to superbowl contender after all of this.........to be continued by a Dallas cowpuke fan.

You would think Dallas was actually winning some playoff games recently to have all of this offseason hype.
I will also tell Dallas's fans what my lawyer David Garrett told me " IT Don't look good" :2cents:
Final prediction for Dallas 8-8 AT BEST.

[dfos81]

Pro Football Prospectus 2007:

81 safeties were ranked.

Roy Williams: 52 Targets, 59% success% which ranks 21st, 8.8 yards per pass which ranks 50th

Are you proving our point for us? We know Roy can't cover, tell us something we don't know, like your team is going to win a playoff game for once in umpteen years, that would make for a better argument. To point out how bad Roy is in coverage is old news bro.

[TEK2000]

Are you proving our point for us? We know Roy can't cover, tell us something we don't know, like your team is going to win a playoff game for once in umpteen years, that would make for a better argument. To point out how bad Roy is in coverage is old news bro.

I guess I missed the part where you were actually involved and made a post on this discussion.

Cling to that wildcard win while ya can man. I don't blame you. Its all you've got.

[onedrop]

I guess I missed the part where you were actually involved and made a post on this discussion.

Cling to that wildcard win while ya can man. I don't blame you. Its all you've got.

its more than you have.

[dfos81]

I guess I missed the part where you were actually involved and made a post on this discussion.

Cling to that wildcard win while ya can man. I don't blame you. Its all you've got.


At least we have something to cling to that just happened in recent history 2 seasons ago, whats sad is Dallas fans have NOTHING to cling to in recent history, but they sure do bring up the 90's alot :laugh: :laugh:

Something is better than nothing when it comes to being a football fan, don't ya think. :2cents:

[TEK2000]

At least we have something to cling to that just happened in recent history 2 seasons ago, whats sad is Dallas fans have NOTHING to cling to in recent history, but they sure do bring up the 90's alot :laugh: :laugh:

Something is better than nothing when it comes to being a football fan, don't ya think. :2cents:

Very true.. very true. It doesn't change the fact that that "something" is still pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. But, like I said, I don't blame ya.. its what you've got... might as well use it while ya can (which hopefully won't be much longer).

I'm just waiting for this season to play out. Preseason is dragging on too long.

[Popeman38]

I guess I missed the part where you were actually involved and made a post on this discussion.

Cling to those two wildcard wins while ya can man. I don't blame you. Its all you've got.Fixed it for you...

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Man... you guys are just really thick headed here. I've said it numerous times... I'm not arguing that Roy is great at coverage.. I'm saying that your statement that he's the worst (or 2nd worst) coverage safety is far from the truth.

What you don't get is that NOTHING that Joyner said points out that "Roy Williams is the 2nd worst coverage safety in the league".

What is DOES say is that Roy ranked 33rd in 1 stat which makes him an average coverage safety because Joyner should have ranked about 80 safeties.

Pro Football Prospectus 2007:

81 safeties were ranked.

Roy Williams: 52 Targets, 59% success% which ranks 21st, 8.8 yards per pass which ranks 50th, 9 PD's and 5 INT's.

Yeah... it really looks like you're right Pope... he was 2nd worst in the league. :doh:

And by the way... as far as my point that Deep coverage safeties would have a higher YPA than others....

Ed Reed ranked 71st with an average of 11.7 yards per pass.

Holy Crap... how does a great covering safety like Ed Reed wind up being so terrible in YPA? Well, like I said already, he'd obviously give up longer passes because he's FARTHER FROM THE LINE OF SCIMMAGE.


Tek, i am so with you on this....but give it up! Skins fans will never ever see it for what it is. I have said that Roy has his issues in coverage but is not as bad as what Skins fans think.....and they just turn around and say that I say he is a top cover safety....reality is not even close to being a part of any discussion when it comes to one team discussing the other teams diffeciencies....when its a rivalry!

sorry for bad spelling....i am trying to get a lot of work done and post at the same time!

[ouvan59]

I guess I missed the part where you were actually involved and made a post on this discussion.

Cling to that wildcard win while ya can man. I don't blame you. Its all you've got.

And what are you guys clinging to?

[TEK2000]

And what are you guys clinging to?

dfos already said we have "NOTHING".

[Terence Newman 41]

sorry for bad spelling....i am trying to get a lot of work done and post at the same time!

Inexcusable, TRPB. Gives us Cowboys a bad name for spelling. :laugh:

Just kidding man :cheers:

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Inexcusable, TRPB. Gives us Cowboys a bad name for spelling. :laugh:

Just kidding man :cheers:


regardless of what they will say, I do work and i am busy......:D so yes the spelling will suck as i am rushing through my responses!

:cheers:

[Terence Newman 41]

regardless of what they will say, I do work and i am busy......:D so yes the spelling will suck as i am rushing through my responses!

:cheers:

Understandable, have to get the work done before tonight's game :D

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Understandable, have to get the work done before tonight's game :D

boy do i hate preseason game 4......it really does waste our time....but i would like to see what we have at CB.......

[TEK2000]

boy do i hate preseason game 4......it really does waste our time....but i would like to see what we have at CB.......

I sure hope Joey Thomas or SOMEBODY steps up and performs wells.

[cschupp]

This is all anyone needs to know. :dallasuck

[Terence Newman 41]

I sure hope Joey Thomas or SOMEBODY steps up and performs wells.

Thomas or Quincy Butler better pull some magic from their rear ends and step it up.

[dfos81]

Very true.. very true. It doesn't change the fact that that "something" is still pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. But, like I said, I don't blame ya.. its what you've got... might as well use it while ya can (which hopefully won't be much longer).

I'm just waiting for this season to play out. Preseason is dragging on too long.

Glad we can agree on something, this season needs to get rolling, all this Cowpuke hype will soon end. :2cents:

[Riggo#44]

Inexcusable, TRPB. Gives us Cowboys a bad name for spelling. :laugh:

Yes, when they have so much else that legitimately gives them a bad name :)

[dfos81]

dfos already said we have "NOTHING".


What about the 90's, you guys really dominated.
Come on man don't sound so down about the Cowboys recent history, it makes the others look like blind homers :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:

[cschupp]

Why the Cowboys are losers with Jerry Jones.

I was born in Dallas. I loved the Cowboys growing up. Don Meredeth (for young guys, he was the QB) once attended my brothers pee-wee football game; the only reason he attended was becasue my brother had a chance to meet Meredeth and asked him. (Those were the days when players knew kids needed role-models.) Yes, the Cowboys were a class act from top-to-bottom.

Then Jerry Jones brought the Cowboys. Tom Landry was the Coach. No doubt anyone, including Redskin fans, would agree Landry had a great football mind.

Please let me know if Jerry Jones has any history of serving anyone except his own wants. But I know Tom Landry was a war-hero. A B-17 Flying Fortress bomber co-pilot. He completed a combat tour of 30 missions and survived a crash landing. After 20 missions he could stop flying and go home, but he continued to serve to 30 death defying missions.

If you remember, Jones did not even tell Landry he was fired before naming Jimmy Johnson the new Coach when Jones took over. Landry heard about it from a radio reporter. The Cowboys were never again a class act.

The Cowboys were a class act when I was growing up. What they are now, you can decide.

[dfos81]

Why the Cowboys are losers with Jerry Jones.

I was born in Dallas. I loved the Cowboys growing up. Don Meredeth (for young guys, he was the QB) once attended my brothers pee-wee football game; the only reason he attended was becasue my brother had a chance to meet Meredeth and asked him. (Those were the days when players knew kids needed roll-models.) Yes, the Cowboys were a class act from top-to-bottom.

Then Jerry Jones brought the Cowboys. Tom Landry was the Coach. No doubt anyone, including Redskin fans, would agree Landry had a great football mind.

Please let me know if Jerry Jones has any history of serving anyone except his own wants. But I know Tom Landry was a war-hero. A B-17 Flying Fortress bomber co-pilot. He completed a combat tour of 30 missions and survived a crash landing. After 20 missions he could stop flying and go home, but he continued to serve to 30 death defying missions.

If you remember, Jones did not even tell Landry he was fired before naming Jimmy Johnson the new Coach when Jones took over. Landry heard about it from a radio reporter. The Cowboys were never again a class act.

The Cowboys were a class act when I was growing up. What they are now, you can decide.

:applause: :applause: Great post, maybe some of the Cowboy faithfuls will catch our drift in regards to Jerrah Jones if they hear it from the same side.

[Jumbo]

cschupp, that's how I feel about it, too. Though I wanted to beat them and them to lose, very intensely in devoted Redskin fan fashion, every time, I respected Landry as a coach and a man and many of his 'boys as football players and opponents.

The way they did Landry was inexcusable, though he handled it with class. Since then, its as you say, different.

[cschupp]

Thanks guys. It's good to remember that fans can appreciate a class act. Even if you still want to beat the snot out of 'em.

[SkinsFanMania]

Not a first rounder in the bunch and still a top 4 offense last season.

Not bad at all.


Yes, that's pretty good, but look at all the first rounders you have on defense and how bad was the defense last year.

[dwdj75]

Why the Cowboys are losers with Jerry Jones.

I was born in Dallas. I loved the Cowboys growing up. Don Meredeth (for young guys, he was the QB) once attended my brothers pee-wee football game; the only reason he attended was becasue my brother had a chance to meet Meredeth and asked him. (Those were the days when players knew kids needed role-models.) Yes, the Cowboys were a class act from top-to-bottom.

Then Jerry Jones brought the Cowboys. Tom Landry was the Coach. No doubt anyone, including Redskin fans, would agree Landry had a great football mind.

Please let me know if Jerry Jones has any history of serving anyone except his own wants. But I know Tom Landry was a war-hero. A B-17 Flying Fortress bomber co-pilot. He completed a combat tour of 30 missions and survived a crash landing. After 20 missions he could stop flying and go home, but he continued to serve to 30 death defying missions.

If you remember, Jones did not even tell Landry he was fired before naming Jimmy Johnson the new Coach when Jones took over. Landry heard about it from a radio reporter. The Cowboys were never again a class act.

The Cowboys were a class act when I was growing up. What they are now, you can decide.

Why the Cowboys won THREE Super Bowls with Jerry Jones.

He fired Tom Landry and hired Jimmy Johnson.

As much as I love Landry and what he has done for this organization. He was past his prime, and the Cowboys needed young blood.

Jerry bought the Cowboys and decided he wanted to go in a different direction, that direction made the Cowboys the most dominant team in the 90's.

[tr1]

cschupp, great post. I hated Landry, but I was totally afraid of his teams. They were machines...an extension of his football mind. Landry never gloated, never showed much emotion...total class act.

When we beat him and his team, we knew we had accomplished something.

The way Jerruh treated him was astonishing. The game hadn't passed him by...Rozelle and parity had crushed the pukes' dynasty.

Jerruh lucked into a dumb Minny FO and some brilliant picks by Jimmy Johnson...unfortunately, Jerruh continues to think he was the reason for the success in the 90's.

It's a shame Landry has barely been acknowledged during Jerruh's tenure.

Shameful.

[cschupp]

I wrote my post to remind 'Skins fans of the class act we have.

The 'Skins organization has never shown disrepect to any coach or player, ever, period. In fact the organization has always shown great respect to anyone associated with the team.

Say what you want about Synder, he has put real money into the 'Skins and made real money. That's America. And let's fact it, given the money he pumped in, being a class act must have been a struggle very many times. How hard do you think it must be not to say to the press after a loss "that so-and-so really sucks, we need a change".

Most all teams in the NFL are class acts. Dallas is not, ever, period.