FSU/Clemson

[TheREALJBird]

Anybody watching this? Clemson is giving them hell, FSWho can't do anything on offense:laugh:

[SkinsBry]

Yeah, a sea of orange. The fans and team are fired up.

[PapaDRoc]

Damn, FSU is getting killed, 21-0 early on.

Not only can't FSU score, but apparently they can't play D either.

I want FSU to score so they can make it a game.

[HailSkins81]

Crap. FSU looks like they are headed for another year of suckage. They can't block or tackle to save their lives.

[PapaDRoc]

Big fumble by Spiller....

[PapaDRoc]

24-3 Clemson at the half

[TheREALJBird]

I don't see FSU recovering from this one. Clemson is at full speed on offense, defense, and special teams. Just more proof that Miami shoulda got that preseason rank and not them:D

[pez]

Yeah... huly is drivin me nuts over here.... I need to tie her down and get a ball gag... :doh:

[Huly]

I am so happy. My tigers look awesome. I am really impressed by what I am seeing.

[JJ Skins]

Clemson's a quality team this year...FSU on the other hand (will they ever move the ball again?!)

[JJ Skins]

PS - VT will still body dat azz up

[Huly]

Not good about Ford. He is an awesome player.

[Huly]

Yeah, a sea of orange. The fans and team are fired up.

I match them. I have had on my Tiger gear all day and I still do. :D

[TheREALJBird]

Good for Clemson, but seeing FSU fail brings me more happiness:laugh:

Tigers look like they could stir up some trouble in the ACC this year

[PleaseBlitz]

Clemson looks GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.


FSU looks BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

Jimbo Fisher is still calling the same plays that didnt work last year. :doh:

Anyone hear Bowden at halftime? "They are tackling, we arent. They are blocking, we arent. If it were the opposite, we'd be winning."
:whoknows:

[Huly]

Good for Clemson, but seeing FSU fail brings me more happiness:laugh:

Tigers look like they could stir up some trouble in the ACC this year

I am so excited. I just hope they keep the stamina going all year.

[PapaDRoc]

The bad snap on the punt was ridiculous :laugh:

[TheDoyler23]

Give that punter a gold star for Clemson!

[PapaDRoc]

FSU starting to make some noise...

[TheREALJBird]

Clemson looks GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.


FSU looks BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

Jimbo Fisher is still calling the same plays that didnt work last year. :doh:

Anyone hear Bowden at halftime? "They are tackling, we arent. They are blocking, we arent. If it were the opposite, we'd be winning."
:whoknows:

Come on PB...I specifically remember you having FSU as one of your "sleeper teams" :silly:

[TheREALJBird]

DAMN, don't blow it clemson!:doh:

[PapaDRoc]

Huuge play by Weatherford to pull FSU within one score

[TheREALJBird]

Got a little close for comfort but Clemson was able to pull it off

That FSU offense has some kinks to work out....can't wait till they play the canes:D

[SkinsHokieFan]

Clemson nearly pulling the el foldo tonight that they usually pull 6 weeks from now

With that said, Clemson has tons of speed, I love seeing Spiller run

[PleaseBlitz]

Come on PB...I specifically remember you having FSU as one of your "sleeper teams" :silly:

By "sleeper team" i meant a team that would greatly improve on their ranking from last season. (FSU wasnt ranked and didnt even get a single top-25 vote.)

I thought Jimbo Fisher and Dick Trickett would be able to make a difference. I assumed that a program like FSU would still have athletes, they just need someone to point them in the right direction. Apparantly that is not the case. Bobby Bowden looks lost out there. Someone get him a headset so he at least LOOKS involved in the game.

[Spartacus87]

By "sleeper team" i meant a team that would greatly improve on their ranking from last season. (FSU wasnt ranked and didnt even get a single top-25 vote.)

I thought Jimbo Fisher and Dick Trickett would be able to make a difference. I assumed that a program like FSU would still have athletes, they just need someone to point them in the right direction. Apparantly that is not the case. Bobby Bowden looks lost out there. Someone get him a headset so he at least LOOKS involved in the game. The 2nd half we played well, it was basically the first quarter that put us down. You're clowning yourself with this bolded part, you generally seem like a smarter poster than to make comments like that, that was more like Hokie4 territory. Rest assured, FSU has athletes, and is going to get plenty of good athletes in their next recruiting class. But you're talking about going from a system of poor offensive gameplanning/coaching to what Trickett and Fisher are trying to do now, it's going to take time. Lots of time. We couldn't come out tonight and put up 35 on Clemson like the old days- this is arguably the biggest game of the year for them, that stadium was completely electric and fired up, and they caught momentum fast and early. FSU has one of the harder schedules in Div1 football this season, and with that much coaching turnover and as big of a coaching philosophy change that's going on, there are going to be some tough losses, but losing to Clemson tonight isn't that bad. We didn't schedule a Div1AA team, or a Rice or Western Michigan at home, we went on the road, to one of our biggest rivalry games.

Biggest problems I saw tonight-

The offensive line was putrid early on. Trickett's still shuffling guys around and finding the right pieces, but he's going to eventually have to recruit his own guys and really get his system going, not rely on making a bunch of fat, lazy veterans lose 30 pounds in the offseason and go with it. The 2nd half they played better, but Weatherford was still almost always flushed out of the pocket and had to look for the quick dump off or the throw away.

The defense struggled early on, but not with the playcalling, just fundamentals. Missed tackles everywhere, key ones too, like that Davis long touchdown run- guys just throwing their arms at him all over the place, it was like a Sean Taylor lowlight reel from last season. That'll be fixed in time though, that's probably the least of my worries for the team. This is probably the worst linebacker corps we've had at FSU in awhile- there aren't any real genuine playmakers like a Lawrence Timmons or an Ermie Sims, and that hurts. Derek Nicholson's just starting in the MLB spot and Amato's style of play is a lot different from Kevin Steele's, so there's going to be some growing pains getting the LB's lined up and ready to go each snap, and some confused plays as well.

Bottom line, this a damn hard game to open up your season with under pretty much an entirely new coaching staff from top to bottom. People down here are already whining about Weatherford, but it's not his fault when his recievers are dropping passes left and right and we're burning timeouts because people in the huddle can't understand what play Fisher wants him to run. There are big changes coming at FSU, and it's going to take a year probably until the pieces really start to come together, but they will. Believe it- had this been last year's team/coaching staff, tonight would've been more like 35-3.

[Huly]

I thought I was going to have a few heart attacks last night but we pulled it off. I hope Clemson does some good things this year.

Pez hopes they do not show too many games as he was ready to kill me. I love watching thunder, lightning and Ford. I also can not wait to see our Freshman QB Corn at some point. I have heard he has an amazing arm on him. GO TIGERS

[PleaseBlitz]

The 2nd half we played well, it was basically the first quarter that put us down. You're clowning yourself with this bolded part, you generally seem like a smarter poster than to make comments like that, that was more like Hokie4 territory. Rest assured, FSU has athletes, and is going to get plenty of good athletes in their next recruiting class. But you're talking about going from a system of poor offensive gameplanning/coaching to what Trickett and Fisher are trying to do now, it's going to take time. Lots of time.

I stand by what i said, and it seems a lot of people saw the same thing I did.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=3003519

You can read the article yourself, the title is "High-priced coaches won't matter without talent."

[Spartacus87]

I stand by what i said, and it seems a lot of people saw the same thing I did.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=3003519

You can read the article yourself, the title is "High-priced coaches won't matter without talent." Well I'm glad you can point out an ESPN article that says it all. Bottom line, it's not the talent that's the real issue here, anyone that says that flat out doesn't know what they're talking about. Hell, anyone that really watched the game and listened to the coaches afterwards knows that's not what happened. But it's easier to just point to an article or watch from an outsiders point of view from the program and play armchair QB, so people take that route instead rather than think about it or dig deeper.

My brother watched the game in TiVo earlier. There were several plays where Antone Smith had plenty of room to run, the blocks were getting set up, and then one of the 3 true freshmen starting on the line tripped and fell down, or picked up the wrong block, or whatever, blowing the play up. The 2 point conversion failed because of a missed assignment, otherwise that play would've worked. The playcalling was fine, the talent was fine, it was the adjustment to the system- the missed blocks, the confused young linemen, things that only need adjustment and more instruction, not a lack of taletn and ability to do what was asked. Notice how much differently we played in the 2nd half, putting up 15 points and shutting out Clemson, after major halftime adjustments were made. So no, people can talk whatever they want about lack of talent, but that's idiotic. The issue was and still is a simple one that anyone should be able to see- new system replacing a far inferior one along with an entire culture change among the locker room. That's something that WILL take time, not something that can just be done in a "quick fix" like that ESPN article claimed. Again, if this was last year's team in last night's situation coming out of the first half, we would've lost 35-3, guaranteed. We're on the right road to coming back, but we're going to lose some battles before everything's good.

Frankly I wish we hadn't started the season ranked, I'd rather start this process without any kind of hype like we lost in some kind of upset, even though Clemson should've won that game and did.

[PleaseBlitz]

I was just pointing to the article to illustrate that i wasnt the only person that thinks FSU doesnt have superior talent anymore. I watched the game. The playcalling was bad in the first half, the execution was bad, and FSU did not have an advantage in the caliber of athletes on the field. Both Spiller and Davis made the FSU defense look silly, especially Davis' TD run.

[Spartacus87]

I was just pointing to the article to illustrate that i wasnt the only person that thinks FSU doesnt have superior talent anymore. I watched the game. The playcalling was bad in the first half, the execution was bad, and FSU did not have an advantage in the caliber of athletes on the field. Both Spiller and Davis made the FSU defense look silly, especially Davis' TD run. And yet magically, with supposedly lesser athletes, we allowed less than 50 yards the second half while gaining nearly 200.

You're right about the execution being bad. The playcalling wasn't great in the first half, but if people are missing blocks and causing Weatherford to roll out of the pocket in the face of 2 defensive players coming after him, that's just inexperience for Ryan McMahon at center/Rodney Hudson at Guard (both true freshmen) and Antone Smith not knowing when to pick up certain blocks, among other bad situations. I mean really, try to imagine it, a true freshmen in your first game at the college level, going into Death Valley on Monday Night College Football against a solid defense and solid team all around. Trickett said it best- just some young kids that got stars in their eyes and needed time to settle down, but that time cost us. Execution sucked the first half, that was the dagger early on. But it'll get cleaned up, it'll just take work and time.

It's a little dumb down here right now- quite a few idiots whining about how this is just the same as last year and these coaches suck and our players suck blah blah blah. It's as dumb as the Redskins fans around here last year whining about how Saunders sucks at coaching because his system takes a year to gel but they want results now, not in due time. Nobody has patience or realistic expectations anymore, drives me crazy.

[Major Harris]

We didn't schedule a Div1AA team, or a Rice or Western Michigan at home, we went on the road, to one of our biggest rivalry games.



nice little jab there, but look no further than 9/8 for your "western michigan at home." (the vaunted blazers of uab!!)

being that clemson is an acc team, i'm betting that fsu didn't schedule that hellatious season opener against clemson, the acc did.

[Spartacus87]

nice little jab there, but look no further than 9/8 for your "western michigan at home." (the vaunted blazers of uab!!)

being that clemson is an acc team, i'm betting that fsu didn't schedule that hellatious season opener against clemson, the acc did. And you'd be betting wrong. Going back to 2002 we would open against Miami, but that got pushed up to October this year, and we replaced it with Clemson.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean it to be any kind of jab against any program, I understand why teams do things like that (and hope it doesn't blow up in their face like Michigan), but you must admit it's a reasonable point to make. I only used Western Michigan because we played them last year for homecoming, so they're usually one of the first teams to come to my mind for a cupcake style game, totally forgot your guys played them even though I watched some of it at Hooters. It's harder to open your schedule with a fierce rivalry game than it is to open up with a softer team to test your players under live fire and be able to adjust things before the real thick of things by week 2. I would've much rather played UAB to open the season (as an unranked team), then gone on to play Clemson. But we didn't do that, rather we just walked untested into heavy fire and payed for it, but that's life, and now I hope we adjust this week and unload onto UAB for some momentum heading out to Colorado.

[RenegadeTK]

Clemson is now 25th in the AP

[Major Harris]

And you'd be betting wrong. Going back to 2002 we would open against Miami, but that got pushed up to October this year, and we replaced it with Clemson.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean it to be any kind of jab against any program, I understand why teams do things like that (and hope it doesn't blow up in their face like Michigan), but you must admit it's a reasonable point to make. I only used Western Michigan because we played them last year for homecoming, so they're usually one of the first teams to come to my mind for a cupcake style game, totally forgot your guys played them even though I watched some of it at Hooters. It's harder to open your schedule with a fierce rivalry game than it is to open up with a softer team to test your players under live fire and be able to adjust things before the real thick of things by week 2. I would've much rather played UAB to open the season (as an unranked team), then gone on to play Clemson. But we didn't do that, rather we just walked untested into heavy fire and payed for it, but that's life, and now I hope we adjust this week and unload onto UAB for some momentum heading out to Colorado.

you don't get what i'm saying. conferences usually do the in-conference schedule, and teams fill their OOC schedule on their own.

either way, in no way was i saying that clemson on the road isn't a bigger test than wm at home to open the season.

[Huly]

My TIGERS are going to rock this year! I have faith!