Who knew, Lions Tickets returned?!

[FFskinsfan72]

Edit--
This thread has been officially hunted down and shot!...lol It was stupid and unnecessary!! So I am closing it myself...lol HTTR!!!

[terpcap24]

What are you talking about? The visiting team gets a certain amount for every game. Nothing Dan can do about that.

[Mark The Homer]

I suspect the owner needs to keep tickets in certain areas unsold so that when new Touchdown Club or Tailgate Club folks suddenly appear with 4 and 5 figure initiation fees in hand, he can provide them with suitable seats.

And if not enough come around, he has to sell them, of course -- preferably for top dollar.

If you and seventeen friends need some nice seats together, here you go:

http://www.stubhub.com/washington-redskins-tickets/?ticket_id=103444842

[FFskinsfan72]

I'm just darn tired of not paying face value for tickets. ( i swear i'm off the soap box now...lol)

[RyansRangers]

How dumb does the owner think we are? 10 year waiting list. I find it convenient that during the past three home games tickets have came back from the visiting team...WHO KNEW!! Give me a break. Stop with the bull :pooh: and sell the tickets to your fans. Stop with the "waiting list crap". You'd sell more tickets if you did it yourself and not through stubhub or ticketmaster. Thats where your getting most of your tickets back i would say! Just tired of the greed people. Sorry for the rant. I just figure there would actually be a 10 year waitlist if we (the fans) could actually buy straight from skins online or the actual box office.

Again sorry for the rant. I'm sure this has been posted before I just had to get that off my chest...lol

:soapbox::rant:

I find it funny how people complain about tickets like we are the only team and stadium where tickets are hard to get and seasons are almost impossible.

The only amazing thing is that most teams who have this problem are winning teams. We have this problem and we have not won crap in forever.

There are going to be tickets given to the other team and there are going to be Club seats and owners boxes in every stadium. They are going to be empyt a lot too cause of the cost. Lets all get over it

[corrupt3d]

The NFL requires each stadium to have a certain number of tickets set aside for the visiting team. If the team doesnt need them, the team receives the spare tickets back.


Sorry bro, but there are certain things you CANT blame Snyder about.

[RonBurgundy&Gold]

I'm personally a big fan of being able to obtain nice lower level seats at face value, without having to pay for preseason tix/initiation fees, nor the need to have to join any club.

[RFKFedEx]

The NFL requires each stadium to have a certain number of tickets set aside for the visiting team. If the team doesnt need them, the team receives the spare tickets back.


Sorry bro, but there are certain things you CANT blame Snyder about.

The NFL may require that tickets be set aside for the visiting team, but why would the visitors be giving them back more than a full week b/f the game?

I find it hard to believe that the other teams can't find anybody to take the seats for free.

Why are all of these tickets set aside if the visiting teams don't need them week after week?

Do you think Danny will be giving back the seats the Redskins don't need for the Green Bay game?

Just askin.

[RFKFedEx]

I'm personally a big fan of being able to obtain nice lower level seats at face value, without having to pay for preseason tix/initiation fees, nor the need to have to join any club.

Ya, it is pretty nice for waitlisters to have this option. :)

I think the evidence is mounting that both the season ticket waitlist and the supposed demand for GA seating have been falsely inflated like Enron stock.

:2cents:

[SeattleSkinsFan]

The NFL requires each stadium to have a certain number of tickets set aside for the visiting team. If the team doesnt need them, the team receives the spare tickets back.


Sorry bro, but there are certain things you CANT blame Snyder about.

Exactly right, and this is something to be thankful about, not to complain about. It's a chance to buy tickets at face value!

I've seen the Skins five times at home and twice away, and the only time I even got close to face value was when I bought opening day tickets from a broker in July, before seasonal demand started.

If I still lived in the area, I'd jump at the chance to scoop up a couple of returned tickets.

[skins5060]

The opposing teams get about 500 tickets for each game to use for their players, coaches, and their families/friends. Most of which they have to buy, so I don't find it unlikely that the Lions wouldn't use most of them.

[onedrop]

did you know that the Dan was also behind the fake moon landing and the JFK conspiracy? get real, this is common practice for ALL home games for ALL teams.


when does it end???????????????????

[CM916]

If all else fails, you can get Arena Football season tickets for about $200 if you have a team in range. I'm going for it in March if I have $200 to burn.

[SkinsFTW]

If all else fails, you can get Arena Football season tickets for about $200 if you have a team in range. I'm going for it in March if I have $200 to burn.

Arena football?

Isn't that like MLB failures playing Kickball and charging for it? :laugh: :laugh:

[DaMuller7]

I'm just darn tired of not paying face value for tickets. ( i swear i'm off the soap box now...lol)


I don't blame you, it's greed at it's best and that's one of the reasons why I won't go to games anymore unless once in a blue moon someone gives me the tickets, and even then I might not go because of the concession prices..... :2cents: I'd rather enjoy the game at home with the people that won't fight and there aren't any lines to the bathroom, and there is a big screen TV at the house larger than what the Redskins have in their stadium.

[Cooley4President]

I think that rather than complain about it, we should be thankful for it. It's a way to get face value tickets that relatively few people know about. I know I've called about singles sometimes and been given lots of options. Personally I like the practice.

[RalphZero]

The Redskins charged me $3040.00 for 4 season tickets in section 452 row 26.
The face value of each ticket is 64.00
40 tickets (2 preseason and 8 regular season games)
64.00 * 40 = 2560.00
Plus fees, taxes, etc. = 3040.00
I gave the preseason tickets to Most Valuable Kids for tax deduction of 512.00 (8 * 64.00)

The face value of the tickets is 64.00. In reality, the face value is $95.00 ($3040.00/32).

The Redskins are charging me $95.00 for a $64.00 ticket.

I can't even give the Detroit Lion Tickets away!!!!!!!!!

[TMK9973]

This has ALWAYS happened. The have to set aside x number of tickets to the visting club. The visting club return unused portions the wed before a game. Many of them go unused because people don't want to make the trip.
Dan Synder gets credit for advertising this. It has always been a known secert that you could show up at the Redskins Box office thursday morning and buy tickets. I use to do it at RFK!

Dan Synder simply made a change, advertised it, and offered it to wait list memembers 1st.

[Mark The Homer]

The Redskins charged me $3040.00 for 4 season tickets in section 452 row 26.
The face value of each ticket is 64.00
40 tickets (2 preseason and 8 regular season games)
64.00 * 40 = 2560.00
Plus fees, taxes, etc. = 3040.00
I gave the preseason tickets to Most Valuable Kids for tax deduction of 512.00 (8 * 64.00)

The face value of the tickets is 64.00. In reality, the face value is $95.00 ($3040.00/32).

The Redskins are charging me $95.00 for a $64.00 ticket.

I can't even give the Detroit Lion Tickets away!!!!!!!!!

I think you're including parking in there, aren't you? Taxes are only $256. Fees are like $14.

But yes, you're point is well taken. Face value is not anywhere close to the real cost of the tickets. In my mind, I'd add the 10% tax. That brings it to over $70 per ticket. Then I add another 20% for the pre season tix which have very little real value. So the true value of tix in that area using my formula would be $84 per ticket, which I think is perfectly legitimate. Getting less than that is giving them away cheap. And this is actually what the Redskins are doing when they sell their tix, so it's hard to complain. But don't they add on a hefty service fee too?

Still, I can't help but wonder how many general admission seats are being kept from the waiting list fans.

[RFKFedEx]

The visting club return unused portions the wed before a game.

Dan Synder simply made a change, advertised it, and offered it to wait list memembers 1st.

Well if the visiting club returns the tickets the Wed. b/f the game, then why do the Redskins begin advertising these tickets immediately after the most recent home game, days and even weeks before the next home game?

How does the TO know how many tickets they are going to have for public sale from the returned stock, b/f the tickets are even returned?

[Diesel70ChipOnWhite]

I know i payed the Skins below face value for my club level seats to the Dolphins game, and that was the home opener.

Some of you just need to stop with all the b**** and moaning, it gets to the point of annoyance.

[Skins24]

Well if the visiting club returns the tickets the Wed. b/f the game, then why do the Redskins begin advertising these tickets immediately after the most recent home game, days and even weeks before the next home game?

How does the TO know how many tickets they are going to have for public sale from the returned stock, b/f the tickets are even returned?
I don't think there's a set time for them to return it. Or maybe the set time is for the visiting team. The returned tickets also come from various media (remember that controversy a while back about the Washington Post and their tickets?)



Still, I can't help but wonder how many general admission seats are being kept from the waiting list fans.
According to that formula there showing they make more off of season tickets, I doubt very many.
Or are you saying in an effort to not make more money the Redskins purposely keep back season tickets?

[TMK9973]

Well if the visiting club returns the tickets the Wed. b/f the game, then why do the Redskins begin advertising these tickets immediately after the most recent home game, days and even weeks before the next home game?

How does the TO know how many tickets they are going to have for public sale from the returned stock, b/f the tickets are even returned?

There is a Drop dead date of Wed evening. I remember that from my days of calling.

My guess is that there MIGHT be something called... communication

"Hey Lion guy... It's the Redskins guy. We have the 500 tickets for you all. How many do you think you will need?"
"Hmm - I think we had 150 sign up for them. Why not give us 200 for now and we will let you know if it's less"

[Mark The Homer]

I don't think there's a set time for them to return it. Or maybe the set time is for the visiting team. The returned tickets also come from various media (remember that controversy a while back about the Washington Post and their tickets?)


According to that formula there showing they make more off of season tickets, I doubt very many.
Or are you saying in an effort to not make more money the Redskins purposely keep back season tickets?
No. I"m saying they keep GA seats that used to go to us regular folk on reserve on purpose -- in hopes of selling them to Tailgate Club or TD Club fans. The profit for that is enormous. But when game day approaches, they have no choice but to sell them the week prior. Hence, the abundance of tickets suddenly available.

[RFKFedEx]

I think the TO withholds a lot of GA seats from waitlisters in order to limit the supply while keeping the demand high.

Notice how you never hear of anybody in the 400 level getting relocation past the goal lines. One can get moved down in their own section, or maybe one section over from where they have been, but no one ever seems make it to the 40s based on longevity.

I know people give up sideline seats in the 400 level b/c I gave up mine in 401, but why don't GA's ever get relocation to those newly vacated seats?

There is no premium package for people to buy into the midfield of the 400 level, so where do all of those seats end up?

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I like pie.

[RalphZero]

I think you're including parking in there, aren't you? Taxes are only $256. Fees are like $14.

This was the first time I bought season tickets, so I was charged a Seat Activation Fee. Plus sales tax and PG County Entertainment Yax.

[RFKFedEx]

There is a Drop dead date of Wed evening. I remember that from my days of calling.

My guess is that there MIGHT be something called... communication

"Hey Lion guy... It's the Redskins guy. We have the 500 tickets for you all. How many do you think you will need?"
"Hmm - I think we had 150 sign up for them. Why not give us 200 for now and we will let you know if it's less"

Ok, then lets say that 5 days b/f the game Calvin Johnson dies in a car crash and all of a sudden 500 extra media credentials need to be issued for the game, but the Redskins have already sold most of the seats to the public. Wouldn't that be a violation of the NFL rules if the Lions and the Press wern't able to get the seats they're supposed to have the rights to?

[Slacky McSlackAss]

The Redskins charged me $3040.00 for 4 season tickets in section 452 row 26.
The face value of each ticket is 64.00
40 tickets (2 preseason and 8 regular season games)
64.00 * 40 = 2560.00
Plus fees, taxes, etc. = 3040.00
I gave the preseason tickets to Most Valuable Kids for tax deduction of 512.00 (8 * 64.00)

The face value of the tickets is 64.00. In reality, the face value is $95.00 ($3040.00/32).

The Redskins are charging me $95.00 for a $64.00 ticket.

I can't even give the Detroit Lion Tickets away!!!!!!!!!
Sure you can give them away, ill be happy to take them off your hands if your offering... :D

[sikizler]

WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

A for-profit organization is practicing smart business to maximize profits.

[SeattleSkinsFan]

Arena football?

Isn't that like MLB failures playing Kickball and charging for it? :laugh: :laugh:

Not necessarily. It's a simple fact that not every outstanding football player is physically big enough to play in the NFL.

There was a guy who graduated from my HS a few years before me, named Alvin Ashley. Alvin was a freakishly good athlete. He was quicker than anything, and could jump forever. He was also one of those guys whose metabolism is on overdrive, meaning that he was skinny and sinewy. He was probably about 5'10"/5'11", and I'd say about 140 lbs.

In football, he was a receiver, and I believe also played corner. He got a scholarship to an NAIA school, and broke Jerry Rice's record for most TD receptions by a college receiver at any level. After college, he got drafted by an arena team, and played 11 seasons and was a standout in the league.

Big fish in a small(ish) pond, sure, but he got to play football for 11 more years, and get paid for it. He wasn't a washed-up anything. He made the most of his physical abilities. The one attribute that he couldn't control, his size, likely kept him from playing on the big stage.

[corrupt3d]

WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

A for-profit organization is practicing smart business to maximize profits.




SHAME ON THEM! What do they think this is, Capitalism?!?!

[FFskinsfan72]

WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

A for-profit organization is practicing smart business to maximize profits.

It's a shame that you think this is ok. Espesially when they are trying to make a profit off of a profit.

If your ok with this fine. Go broke. Thats on you. But i find it aweful that the only people that can go to their own teams game are people with money tree's in the back yard.

Ole' Snyder just loves people like you. That's right fattin' his wallet!:rolleyes:

[SeattleSkinsFan]

Being in the Puget Sound area, I decided to see, just for comparison, how the Seahawks handle season tickets. This is from the team's official season ticket page:

Secure the opportunity to buy Seahawks season tickets when they become available. A $100 per seat deposit is required at the time of sign up and an annual $25 per seat fee will be invoiced to maintain priority.

Link here: http://www.seahawks.com/Tickets/SeasonTickets.aspx


So if you want season tickets for the Seahawks, you have to put down $100 up front to get on the list, and then pony up another $25 a year to stay on the list. You get your money back when they finally pick your number, but I'd much rather not have to pay for the privilege of sitting on a list. I have no idea what happens to your deposit money if you back out of the deal.


Here's the deal, and I'm not trying to say tough luck, just trying to be realistic: The DC area is largely white collar. It's not realistic to expect blue collar prices in a white collar area, especially for premium entertainment.

It sucks for the fans who can't afford to go to games, I agree. (It sucks even more when you'd have to spend hundreds of dollars on airfare to see a home game, trust me.)

[sikizler]

It's a shame that you think this is ok. Espesially when they are trying to make a profit off of a profit.

If your ok with this fine. Go broke. Thats on you. But i find it aweful that the only people that can go to their own teams game are people with money tree's in the back yard.

Ole' Snyder just loves people like you. That's right fattin' his wallet!:rolleyes:

Yeah i'm 23 and makin' 7 figures. Not quite, but I'm not goin' broke buying tickets either. You don't know me from anywhere so please don't tell me my financial situation.

What is a "profit off of a profit?"

You don't have to go all the way to Seattle. Just go 30 miles up 95. The tickets are cheaper but you have to pay $750 to $8k just for the right to buy season tix.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Tickets/Default.aspx?id=208

And if you wanna get on their waitlist. $50 to get on plus $25/yr to stay on. Yeah that goes towards your eventual ticket purchase but it is non-refundable.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Tickets/Default.aspx?id=258

Look man, if you don't like it, don't go to games. Someone else will be happy to go in your place. If you're not going to games already then what are you complaining about. It's all good. There's no reason to get all upset over it. Don't tell other people how to spend their money.

I doubt that Snyder loves me. It would be nice if he loved all of his customers but I doubt it. I do love the 'Skins though so as long as I can afford it, I'll be happy to be a season ticket holder.

HTTR!

[sikizler]

SHAME ON THEM! What do they think this is, Capitalism?!?!

OUTRAGEOUS!!! Those pigs!!

:rolleyes:

[FFskinsfan72]

Well if you want to be complacent in paying for triple price single or season tickets fine. But when the ticket price go past your reach I don't to see you post on here whining of the same thing.

As far as making 7 digits a year. Great! but not everyone has that privalge. And to come on here to say that the games are only for white collar..wow! I'd make a comment toward you but I'm pretty sure it would get me kicked off here. You are entitled to your opinion (sometimes unfortunately) but its yours to keep. :rolleyes:

[Skins24]

This is funny

Well if you want to be complacent in paying for triple price single or season tickets fine.
Who's paying triple price?
They sell the ones they get back at face...

If you're on the waitlist, call them and get the tickets. Why would you go through ticketmaster or stubhub?


I'm not sure what exactly your complaint is or the point of this thread. Opposing teams give their tickets back and the fans are complaining!?!? I don't get it. That just means more Redskin fans at the game!

[SKINS FAN #56]

What are you talking about? The visiting team gets a certain amount for every game. Nothing Dan can do about that.

I thought Dan controlled it?

[SeattleSkinsFan]

And to come on here to say that the games are only for white collar..wow! I'd make a comment toward you but I'm pretty sure it would get me kicked off here. You are entitled to your opinion (sometimes unfortunately) but its yours to keep. :rolleyes:

Man, I have these same kinds of arguments with my wife. She'll complain about something in the world being the way it is, and then I'll explain that it's because of such and such. And then she'll get mad at me because she thinks I'm taking the side of whatever entity she's upset at, when all I'm doing is explaining objectively why things are the way they are.

I never said that only rich people should have the privilege of going to games.

I meant that in the DC area, there are enough people with enough money to support the ticket/parking/concessions prices being what they are. That's a fact, proven by the fact that the team fills the stadium. If it were too expensive for too many people, attendance would fall, and the prices would fall. It's all market economics. There are always club-level seats available, and the team could more easily fill them by dropping the price, but it's obviously more profitable for the team to carry some unsold premium seats than to lower the premium seating prices, while continuing to try to sell the available seats.

Without having done any research, I would hazard a guess that if you went someplace like Detroit or Buffalo, you'd find the costs to be much lower, because the average folks in those towns are far less affluent. But I'll guarantee that there are folks in those towns who think that the local team is trying to hose them on ticket prices. Things are the same all over, the only difference being the degree of scale.

[FFskinsfan72]

Just because its a fact doesn't make it right. :doh:

Thats like saying: "Cancer kills and there is no cure, stop trying."

Again stay complacent, thats up to you.



Skins24: If you're on the waitlist, call them and get the tickets. Why would you go through ticketmaster or stubhub?

Everytime I call they direct me to Stub Hub...then thats where I end up pay triple price....:mad:<---not directed at you...at stub hub or whom ever is selling them on stub hub...lol

[sikizler]

Well if you want to be complacent in paying for triple price single or season tickets fine. But when the ticket price go past your reach I don't to see you post on here whining of the same thing.

As far as making 7 digits a year. Great! but not everyone has that privalge. And to come on here to say that the games are only for white collar..wow! I'd make a comment toward you but I'm pretty sure it would get me kicked off here. You are entitled to your opinion (sometimes unfortunately) but its yours to keep. :rolleyes:


Yeaaaaahhhhh. I think in your fit of irrational rage, your sarcasm filter has malfunctioned. I don't make anywhere close to 7 figs. I was making a point that I can afford the tix becuase that's one of the few places I choose to spend my money.

As for paying regular price for season tickets, why is that complacent? Are you compacent paying whatever it is you pay for groceries. Why don't you go on Giant or Safeway's message board and complain there too? The difference is you are emotionally attached the the 'Skins so that is distracting you from the reality that the NFL is a business not entirely different from a grocery store.

If I get priced out of being a season ticket holder, I won't be happy but I promise you won't catch me whining about it on here. Unlike some people, I am willing to accept reality. I understand the concept of supply and demand, if the organization decided to charge more than I can afford, I will stop renewing my tickets. They have every right to do so and as long as someone else is willing to pay, they made the right decision. They won't lose me as a fan. I'd get right back on the list in hopes of getting tickets when I can afford them again.

[RFKFedEx]

There are always club-level seats available, and the team could more easily fill them by dropping the price, but it's obviously more profitable for the team to carry some unsold premium seats than to lower the premium seating prices, while continuing to try to sell the available seats.

Yessss!

And I think the same is true for GA seating as well, despite the supposed waitlist of 155k and five years.

[FFskinsfan72]

As for paying regular price for season tickets, why is that complacent? Are you compacent paying whatever it is you pay for groceries.

No I'm not complacent for the prices at the grocery price I just take it up there, and where it belongs. I'm mad about 'Redskins' ticket prices and how its handled. So I come to a 'Redskins' Forum to see if I'm the only one who feels this way and if not what can or can not be done about it.


They won't lose me as a fan.

This much I can agree with you sikizler. HTTR!! But not the prices...lol


I totally missed that bit on the 7 figures...lol :dunce: I'm ok now, i swear...lol Didn't mean to get all mean and stupid...lol

[SeattleSkinsFan]

Just because its a fact doesn't make it right. :doh:

Thats like saying: "Cancer kills and there is no cure, stop trying."

Again stay complacent, thats up to you.

Huh. I didn't realize that anyone had ever died from not being able to go to a Redskins game.

My bad.

[sikizler]

At least we agree on something FFskins. Maybe I came after you a little too strong there. It just bothers me a bit that there are so many anti-Snyder, anti-prices threads on here. I would rather come here for football conversation, but somehow these threads are the ones that pull me in. And because the team is in fact a business and this forum is about the team, it is entirely appropriate to discuss these aspects of the team here.

[FFskinsfan72]

At least we agree on something FFskins. Maybe I came after you a little too strong there. It just bothers me a bit that there are so many anti-Snyder, anti-prices threads on here. I would rather come here for football conversation, but somehow these threads are the ones that pull me in. And because the team is in fact a business and this forum is about the team, it is entirely appropriate to discuss these aspects of the team here.


Hey don't worry about it sikizler. I'm like you I'd rather come here for football. But i got angry and got on a bull crap rant over stupid stuff. So I say to all Skins fans on here...I apologize for taking up space on the forum and acting like a Cowboys fan...lmao:dallasuck

Next time I feel like goin' off at the lips about something silly....I talk to the wifey...:D


I'm just glad we aren't Iggles fan cause we'd be goin on all night long over nothing...:laugh:

In the end its HTTR!!!!

[sikizler]

Hey don't worry about it sikizler. I'm like you I'd rather come here for football. But i got angry and got on a bull crap rant over stupid stuff. So I say to all Skins fans on here...I apologize for taking up space on the forum and acting like a Cowboys fan...lmao:dallasuck

Next time I feel like goin' off at the lips about something silly....I talk to the wifey...:D


I'm just glad we aren't Iggles fan cause we'd be goin on all night long over nothing...:laugh:

In the end its HTTR!!!!

:cheers:Brother. Bring on Detroit.

[Taylor 36]

WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

A for-profit organization is practicing smart business to maximize profits. I know, what a shocker and horrible thing to do.:doh: Seriously, if the people on this board that ***** and whine all the time about Snyder knew how to even own and run a taco stand, we wouldn't have any bitching and whining.

[Mark The Homer]

It's easy to belittle the people who voice their opinion about tickets and such when you watch the game on TV, isn't it?

[FFskinsfan72]

:cheers:Brother. Bring on Detroit.


:cheers: and same to you! :lionsuck: HTTR!!!

[Mark The Homer]

Email Monday morning, 9:40 AM:

Dear Waitlist Member:

As a valued member of the Redskins wait list you are invited to take first advantage of a very exclusive opportunity!

The Redskins have received tickets back from the visiting team, broadcast network and other media. There are an extremely limited number of tickets available for sale for the game versus the Detroit Lions this Sunday, October 7th at 1:00 PM.

These tickets are available on a first-come, first-served basis.

Tickets start at $74 with some great locations remaining.

Be a part of history as legendary Wide Receiver Gary Clark is enshrined in the Redskins Ring of Honor at FedExField on October 7th.

Quantities are extremely limited so don’t delay.

Please call the Redskins immediately at 301-276-6800 to place your order.

[sikizler]

It's easy to belittle the people who voice their opinion about tickets and such when you watch the game on TV, isn't it?

Not sure if this was directed at me but in case it was, I'm a season ticket holder.

[RFKFedEx]

This is now email offer #2 to purchase the "EXTREMELY LIMITED NUMBER OF TICKETS" that have been returned from the Lions and media.

Not complaining. I'm just sayin.