The McCardell Signing and Unmentioned Implications

[ThePreciating]

Guys, McCardell is 37 as we all know. This is definitely his last season.

If we're bringing this guy in, does that mean Gibbs thinks we're going to make a run this season?

I don't know what you guys think, but I feel like this is just more proof that Gibbs is "all-in." It's now or never.

Randy Thomas not going on IR is also interesting. We relegated Bodiford to the PS (and thereby back to Green Bay) despite him being FIFTEEN years younger than McCardell. I'm not saying I disagree with the decision, but it certainly is "win-now."

We also picked up a bunch of free agents from teams on our schedule this season, and we gave Jason 7 warmup games before going into this season.

Teams have a "window" in which they can make a Super Bowl run. I didn't even know it was open, but if Gibbs thinks it is, I think it is.

After this week, I predict the Skins will light up the scoreboard on regular basis and really stretch the field. Look - even ESPN won't drop us below 14 on their power rankings. They sense it too. A Hall of Fame coach and a team with young, budding, explosive talent coupled with veteran leadership at key positions - and this time, we have a winning record to back it up.

[CBass1724]

Guys, McCardell is 37 as we all know. This is definitely his last season.


I don't know how true this statement is. The guy clearly wants to play and possession receivers play in the league for a long time. See: Ellard, Henry.

[Coooleeey]

Dude, this team isn't lighting anything up just yet. Too many stupid mistakes and too inconsistent. We haven't had a clear win yet. Lets just take it week by week.

[ThePreciating]

Dude, this team isn't lighting anything up just yet. Too many stupid mistakes and too inconsistent. We haven't had a clear win yet. Lets just take it week by week.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that we look like a Super Bowl team.

All I'm saying is that if our coach (who is in the Hall of Fame) is making roster moves for players who won't last beyond this season, he must think there are real possibilities this season.

[Chump Bailey]

I just hope they (Gibbs) cease with the 'playing not to lose' mentality on both sides of the ball. I hope McCardell will help. We also have to wonder just how effective Randy is going to be, if indeed he comes back in December.


I'm for turning it all over to the coordinators and I would also say stay aggressive and keep up the attack on both sides of the ball as much as is feasible.

[SkinsFTW]

All I'm saying is that if our coach (who is in the Hall of Fame) is making roster moves for players who won't last beyond this season, he must think there are real possibilities this season.

He did the same thing last year by giving away picks for players like Duckett and Lloyd, signing turds like Archuleta. We even signed Vincent midseason when we were something like 2-5. This isn't a new thing. Even if we end up 5-11 again they will go after players.

[Cooley4President]

I hope you're right. I don't know if McCardell being signed is a show of being all-in, maybe more a case of him being the best guy who can play now available. It does seem like some of the moves have been geared towards this year, of course all of the moves last year seemed to indicate the same thing (signing FA to all of our need areas, adding another big time coach, etc...)

[FanboyOf91]

McCardell'd is on his last legs; wish we'd signed him three years ago

[theTruthTeller]

I think this is more a sign of all-out for Caldwell and Lloyd.

[Soup]

i don't get gibbs any other club would love to have the depth the skins have at WRs but the skins don't need it. Moss and EL are doing very well and on that pace they both will have 1000 yards. I understand injury plays a role but Caldwell, lloyd and Thrash are enough, anyway these guys will not get the ball as much as Moss and EL will. Seriously I've never seen a coach do this

[jimster]

i don't get gibbs any other club would love to have the depth the skins have at WRs but the skins don't need it. Moss and EL are doing very well and on that pace they both will have 1000 yards. I understand injury plays a role but Caldwell, lloyd and Thrash are enough, anyway these guys will not get the ball as much as Moss and EL will. Seriously I've never seen a coach do this

Tampa does it with QB's

New England does it with WR's

Denver does it with D-linemen

[Taylor 36]

There is no way Gibbs will light it up. Gibbs is Gibbs and we all know what that means. I can't wait for our HOF HC to retire gracefully and graciously at the end of this season. Why is there no way??? He has had some amazing light up seasons before. Hell, two of the five highes scoring NFL offenses belong to Gibbs' Redskins.

[Rafterman]

There is no way Gibbs will light it up. Gibbs is Gibbs and we all know what that means. I can't wait for our HOF HC to retire gracefully and graciously at the end of this season.

I'm at the same point myself.

I had high hopes when Gibbs came back but they have been tempered by reality. He is an old man with a major financial interest outside of football. He in no way resembles the Gibbs of the 80's. He may pull another winning record out of this season, but that's where it ends.

[Rafterman]

Why is there no way??? He has had some amazing light up seasons before. Hell, two of the five highes scoring NFL offenses belong to Gibbs' Redskins.

He had faith in his personnel, and Rip was red hot. That day is long past.

[bulldog]

this is a move to shore up an area that has been a festering sore for some time.

I don't see signing of a 37 year old WR to a one year contract to get the team through the season at near minimum as being a sign Gibbs is 'selling out' in the idea that 2007 is necessarily an 'all or nothing' season.

This is a lot like the previous moves for DeMulling and Randall Godfrey, a chance to get veteran depth as other players either go down to injury or in Lloyd's case prove they aren't to be counted on.

[Rafterman]

i don't get gibbs any other club would love to have the depth the skins have at WRs but the skins don't need it. Moss and EL are doing very well and on that pace they both will have 1000 yards. I understand injury plays a role but Caldwell, lloyd and Thrash are enough, anyway these guys will not get the ball as much as Moss and EL will. Seriously I've never seen a coach do this

His move to Keenan McCardell really doesn't make any sense since he refuses to throw the ball to the receivers he has.

[Soup]

Tampa does it with QB's

New England does it with WR's

Denver does it with D-linemen

I'm talking about the talent level these guys have. McCardell, lloyd and Caldwell would be and have been either starting #1 or #2s in the league. I understand the need to get depth but I'd rather see the skins draft someone and bring them up.

[Soup]

His move to Keenan McCardell really doesn't make any sense since he refuses to throw the ball to the receivers he has.

yeah, I don't see what gibbs is doing. How is McCardell better than lloyd? I understand McCardell will have his chance but he's going to do what lloyd is doing now which is nothing. I wish gibbs would explain why he's doing it that's all.

[TheLongshot]

Well, first off McCardell hasn't been signed, and there is no guarantee that he will get signed.

Personally, I find the whole thing curious. Are they looking at keeping six receivers? If not, who gets cut? Thrash just reupped last year and is valuable in special teams. The coaching staff seems high on Caldwell. Everyone else isn't cuttable.

So, what is going on here? I really don't know. I guess we have to wait until everyone comes back to find out.

Jason

[bulldog]

Anyone catch Archuleta's performance against the Cowboys? :)

Dallas exploited Archuleta up and down the field in pass coverage.

For all those who are ASSUMING that Lloyd is a capable, productive receiver........perhaps you should look to the Archuleta example.

When he was traded last year, Archuleta at 30 was not the same player he was earlier in his career before injuries took their toll.

Lloyd has never produced as consistently as Archuleta, so why the belief in him?

Has anyone here ever SEEN him produce anything of value?

The most famous thing he did in Washington is throw his helmet.

[Warpath11]

Well, first off McCardell hasn't been signed, and there is no guarantee that he will get signed.

Personally, I find the whole thing curious. Are they looking at keeping six receivers? If not, who gets cut? Thrash just reupped last year and is valuable in special teams. The coaching staff seems high on Caldwell. Everyone else isn't cuttable.

So, what is going on here? I really don't know. I guess we have to wait until everyone comes back to find out.

Jason

I think one of the safeties will be cut I think we currently have 6 on the roster (Taylor, Landry, Prileou, Doughty, Stoutmire and Fox). Im thinking Omar Stoutmire or Vernon Fox gets the axe if we do indeed decide to sign McCardell.

[Fifty Gut]

you're looking too deeply into a simple roster move meant to improve our depth

[Soup]

you're looking too deeply into a simple roster move meant to improve our depth

Moss and EL are the starters

Depth:
Thrash, lloyd, and Caldwell is enough. Signing McCardell needs to be explained. I understand signing Caldwell but not McCardell.

[bulldog]

Thank you.

[ThePreciating]

you're looking too deeply into a simple roster move meant to improve our depth

Disagree. Bodiford improved our depth and had room to grow. McCardell is here because Gibbs is tired of not having a possession receiver who can catch like a man. Sorry Santana, but you can't catch unless you see room in front of you. McCardell should fix that for us.

[SkinsFTW]

Sorry Santana, but you can't catch unless you see room in front of you. McCardell should fix that for us.

But will he ever get open enough for Campbell to throw him the ball?

[megared]

This is all irrelevant if we're still coming out in max protect sets, with only 1 or 2 people running routes (exactly what we did vs the Giants).


I don't see the logic behind it either, frankly.

Looks like we lucked up with the Moss trade...short of that the WR position has been horribly botched, in both acquisitions & utilization, since Gibbs came back.

We aren't airing the ball out, short of Gibbs giving up his headset. Gibbs doesn't trust JC, doesn't trust the line, doesn't trust the receivers.

[bulldog]

Bodiford wasn't healthy and never got on the field for the Redskins.

He is a 24 year old receiver that has been cut twice in two years by other clubs that had needs at wide receiver.

In Green Bay he is slated to be a special teams player.

Nobody is indicating at this point that there are any plans to play him on offense right away or indeed at all.

So, let's not try and build up somebody that went undrafted and has no resume in the NFL.

[SkinsFTW]

This team just seems to have receiver issues. Like the Broncos go through 25 different DLmen a year.

Maybe it really isn't the receivers but the plays or the routes. It seems that nobody can be a consistently reliable receiver in this offense. Not even Moss, Cooley or Randel El. If our #1 and #2 options can't catch 5-6 balls a game then how do you expect any 3rd or 4th guy to do anything?

[ucfSKINS]

Dude, this team isn't lighting anything up just yet. Too many stupid mistakes and too inconsistent. We haven't had a clear win yet. Lets just take it week by week.

Agreed. Trust me, just like everyone else, I would love to see our Skins light it up. Just don't see it happening against a good team. Could it happen against the Lions D? Sure, but that doesn't mean ****. Once we hang 27+ with a large margin to win, I'll agree. But till then, its just like every other season. Young potential with a bunch of free agents, like we try to do every year (maybe more young potential this year). We'll rebound against the Lions, but not by much, and the next three games will be a great litmus test.

[DButz65]

yeah, I don't see what gibbs is doing. How is McCardell better than lloyd? I understand McCardell will have his chance but he's going to do what lloyd is doing now which is nothing. I wish gibbs would explain why he's doing it that's all.


Who are you, Dan Snyder? Why does he have to explain everything.


Some people in here think they could do a better job than Gibbs, and it just makes you all look like fools cause you know thats not true. :rolleyes:

[HailYeah]

No....it means we need help at WR.

That is all.

[TheLongshot]

I think one of the safeties will be cut I think we currently have 6 on the roster (Taylor, Landry, Prileou, Doughty, Stoutmire and Fox). Im thinking Omar Stoutmire or Vernon Fox gets the axe if we do indeed decide to sign McCardell.

That wasn't the issue. I know we could make room for him. The problem I see is that we can't even get the guy we signed a couple of weeks ago on the field, so why sign another guy? To me, the only thing that makes sense is that someone is hurt and won't be ready to play for Detroit.

Then, there is Adam Schefter's comment on the John Thompson show that the Redskins are not going to keep more than 5 WRs. As I discussed above, that doesn't seem to make much sense.

Jason

[willmb5]

I believe. Do you?

[Riggo-toni]

Bodiford simply isn't NFL material, so letting him go isn't sacrificing any future to win now. He was just a warm body there for insurance in the return game.

[RideorDieChic]

Who are you, Dan Snyder? Why does he have to explain everything.


Some people in here think they could do a better job than Gibbs, and it just makes you all look like fools cause you know thats not true. :rolleyes:

questioning unclear objectives and moves doesn't exactly mean one can do a better job if they were in coach Gibbs' position... so don't be rediculous. For the past two years the team[Coach Gibbs] have made some questionable acquisitions, and fans are starting to come off the love high and see pass the blind support they once had for Coach Gibbs. They don't want his job, we just want him to do a BETTER job, that's all.

Just a heads up: This type of inquisition by fans will continue, if conditions remainS the same....

Hail!

[Soup]

Who are you, Dan Snyder? Why does he have to explain everything.


Some people in here think they could do a better job than Gibbs, and it just makes you all look like fools cause you know thats not true. :rolleyes:


did I say I could do a better job then gibbs freak? So I should stop my curiousity just because you say so, please.

[DButz65]

did I say I could do a better job then gibbs freak? So I should stop my curiousity just because you say so, please.


Freak? LMAO whatever

And i didnt direct that AT you, if you would open your eyes, i said "some people" not YOU, mmmkay? Stop ASSuming

PEOPLE on this forum need to give Gibbs a break, he wants to win MORE than anyone on a damn forum. He puts in prob over 100 hours a week at the office studying film, making roster decisions, etc etc, some PEOPLE need to lighten up.

[RideorDieChic]

There is no doubt or questions as to whether or not Coach Gibbs WANTS to win. The questions remains is whether he knows HOW to win in today's NFL has passed him bye.

[rnealr001]

It's ok to sign players, if your gonna use them. I wonder about the exsisting play calling philosophy. We have a QB who can throw, and recievers who can catch. But what good is it if your play calling doesn't have that in mind. We are probably the only team in the NFL that thinks it can set on a 2TD lead. Well, if last weeks lose didn't teach a few lessons, we're in for a very long season. Jason completed some very tough throws in very Crucial moments last week. Why not let him do the same to help build the lead as opposed to playing catch up.

[JRAB]

Tampa does it with QB's

New England does it with WR's

Denver does it with D-linemen


Tampa hasn't had a decent QB in years.

New England hasn't had a decent WR in a long time before this year.

Denver hasn't had enough DL that were worth a **** for years.

What does that say about what Gibbs and Co. think about our WR's?

[Passizle]

ummm

doesnt moss have groin injury? thats what this signing is for.

[jeronimobrat]

This is all irrelevant if we're still coming out in max protect sets, with only 1 or 2 people running routes (exactly what we did vs the Giants).


I don't see the logic behind it either, frankly.

Looks like we lucked up with the Moss trade...short of that the WR position has been horribly botched, in both acquisitions & utilization, since Gibbs came back.

We aren't airing the ball out, short of Gibbs giving up his headset. Gibbs doesn't trust JC, doesn't trust the line, doesn't trust the receivers.

But he trusts that his money will be in the bank!


Freak? LMAO whatever

And i didnt direct that AT you, if you would open your eyes, i said "some people" not YOU, mmmkay? Stop ASSuming

PEOPLE on this forum need to give Gibbs a break, he wants to win MORE than anyone on a damn forum. He puts in prob over 100 hours a week at the office studying film, making roster decisions, etc etc, some PEOPLE need to lighten up.

So, he put in that amount of time only that it amples to nothing when the game needs to be put out of reach. This is a man that is a shadow of his former self, and I would support his decision to step down any day of the week.

[theTruthTeller]

Friday bonus factoid: McCardell and Art Monk were teammates briefly on the '92 Skins.

[smalex41]

Guys, McCardell is 37 as we all know. This is definitely his last season.

If we're bringing this guy in, does that mean Gibbs thinks we're going to make a run this season?

I don't know what you guys think, but I feel like this is just more proof that Gibbs is "all-in." It's now or never.

Randy Thomas not going on IR is also interesting. We relegated Bodiford to the PS (and thereby back to Green Bay) despite him being FIFTEEN years younger than McCardell. I'm not saying I disagree with the decision, but it certainly is "win-now."

We also picked up a bunch of free agents from teams on our schedule this season, and we gave Jason 7 warmup games before going into this season.

Teams have a "window" in which they can make a Super Bowl run. I didn't even know it was open, but if Gibbs thinks it is, I think it is.

After this week, I predict the Skins will light up the scoreboard on regular basis and really stretch the field. Look - even ESPN won't drop us below 14 on their power rankings. They sense it too. A Hall of Fame coach and a team with young, budding, explosive talent coupled with veteran leadership at key positions - and this time, we have a winning record to back it up.We still have issues with our timing on offense. The OL is in disarray and at times, Campbell can be a "tad" erratic. The play calling by Al Saunders is questionable and also the defensive schemes put into play by Greg Williams are "suspect", his agressiveness has waned and it was apparent in the Giants game when he backed the LB's up at least 5 yds. behind the DL. Rogers has no awareness of ball location and in the nickel package I thought Landry was going to be used as an "impact player"
There are many "facets" of the overall game plan I thought the Skins would implement that hasn't come to fruition. :(

[Mooka]

There are lots of possible unmentioned implications if we sign McCardell.

Maybe there are injury concerns.
Probably looking for a replacement for Lloyd.
Maybe we're going for a run.
Maybe there's nothing more to see then the coaches seeing a guy who can help out.
Maybe they havn't given up on Brandon yet and want a veteran presence to help him get other whatever it is he needs to get over.

etc :)

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

Forget Mccardell, we need to activate Hoag.

[MDRedskinsFan]

To the conspiracy theorists out there, maybe this move was made so Brunell wouldn't be lonely on the practice field and now he'll have someone very familiar who he played with before to play catch with during practice.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

After this week, I predict the Skins will light up the scoreboard on regular basis and really stretch the field. Look - even ESPN won't drop us below 14 on their power rankings. They sense it too. A Hall of Fame coach and a team with young, budding, explosive talent coupled with veteran leadership at key positions - and this time, we have a winning record to back it up.

Stop it, you just gave me a hard on.

[moviedude25]

Guys, McCardell is 37 as we all know. This is definitely his last season.

And your crystal ball told you this? No one knows when someone will retire, its not definitly his last, your statement is stupid. Tell me how you know this is his last?



If we're bringing this guy in, does that mean Gibbs thinks we're going to make a run this season?

No it means that our coaches think we have a need for this. I highly DOUBT that anyone in the organization thinks that the missing piece to the puzzel is Keenan McCardell. I believe they got scared like they always seem to do when one of the three star players (Campbell, Portis, Moss) got injured and this move is nothing more then a reaction to it.

I'm sure that Gibbs want us to make a run this year into the post season and erase that awful 2006 campaign memory but this move doesn't mean anything about a run. I don't know where you get that? Now if we suddenly traded away some picks for Fitzgerald then I would believe your on to something but not for a FA old WR.



I don't know what you guys think, but I feel like this is just more proof that Gibbs is "all-in." It's now or never.

Absolutely disagree with this. Our QB hasn't even played a full season yet, there is no now or never with him. He's young and inexpirenced. Gibbs isn't "All In" because we signed a WR for injury reasons, :doh:



Randy Thomas not going on IR is also interesting.

This only means the team thinks he can play again this season. Nothing more.


We relegated Bodiford to the PS (and thereby back to Green Bay) despite him being FIFTEEN years younger than McCardell. I'm not saying I disagree with the decision, but it certainly is "win-now."

So because a guy is young that makes him better? PLEASE :rolleyes: Tell us how you know that Bodiford is the next coming of Jerry Rice? Little is known about this guy at this time and he is a risk project. With an expirenced professional like Keeenan you know what your going to get. Also the learning curve won't be as difficult with a veteran vs. a younger player.



We also picked up a bunch of free agents from teams on our schedule this season, and we gave Jason 7 warmup games before going into this season.

And that means what? It means to me that the team wants to help Jason by giving him game time expirence. And who are these bunch of players we picked up from teams on our schedule your talking about?


My head hurts from reading this nonsense, please next time make some sense when you post or take some time and read and get to know your team.

[ASUki]

Stop it, you just gave me a hard on.

That's hilarious!!! :laugh: :laugh:

[SkinsWizCubsDukes]

Moss and EL are the starters

Depth:
Thrash, lloyd, and Caldwell is enough. Signing McCardell needs to be explained. I understand signing Caldwell but not McCardell.

maybe Caldwell sucks

[jrfriedm]

Why is there no way??? He has had some amazing light up seasons before. Hell, two of the five highes scoring NFL offenses belong to Gibbs' Redskins.
:doh: Using facts to dismiss someone stupidity. :doh:

[ThePreciating]

And your crystal ball told you this? No one knows when someone will retire, its not definitly his last, your statement is stupid. Tell me how you know this is his last?
1. Texans cut him.
2. He's 37. How many 38 year old WRs are making an impact right now?
3. I'm not using a crystal ball, I'm using basic football knowledge, which you lack.




So because a guy is young that makes him better? PLEASE :rolleyes: Tell us how you know that Bodiford is the next coming of Jerry Rice? Little is known about this guy at this time and he is a risk project. With an expirenced professional like Keeenan you know what your going to get. Also the learning curve won't be as difficult with a veteran vs. a younger player.

Next coming of Jerry Rice? What are you talking about? To make that inference from my post just shows you have absolutely zero reading comprehension skills.



And that means what? It means to me that the team wants to help Jason by giving him game time expirence. And who are these bunch of players we picked up from teams on our schedule your talking about?


Pete Kendall - Jets
London Fletcher - Bills
Fred Smoot - Vikings
Shaun Bodiford - Packers
Reche Caldwell - Patriots
David Macklin - Cardinals

When you're done spitting poop from your mouth, let me know.



My head hurts from reading this nonsense, please next time make some sense when you post or take some time and read and get to know your team.

You're clearly less intelligent than I am, so I'm going to be easy on you.

A little advice - when you're trying to clown someone, know what you're talking about.

You know as much about the Redskins as I've forgotten in the past five minutes.

EDIT - I apologize for talking about your education. I know Missouri isn't exactly known for its average IQ.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

maybe Caldwell sucks

Maybe Gibbs wanted vetern leadership. Aside from Thrash who isn't exactly a leader and hasn't really "been there, done that". McCardell has. I think it's a solid pick up if the guy still has a little left.

[morpheusmeyers]

Does anyone know the status with Mcardell? So we haven't signed him yet, right? If not have we offered him a contract?

Also, any news on how Caldwell has looked in practice?

Let's assume for a second that Moss misses the Detroit game. From what I've read it's iffy. So we have El, Thrash, and Lloyd in our 3 receiver set. Caldwell if we go 4 WR (I'm assuming he'll be active).

My guess is that Mcardell will be inactive for the Detroit game and JG is going to play a wait and see approach to Caldwell and Mcardell. Give it a couple of weeks then cut one of them. That's about all the sense I can make out of it.

[TheLongshot]

Does anyone know the status with Mcardell? So we haven't signed him yet, right? If not have we offered him a contract?

The status right now is McCardell will come in for a workout on Monday. He has not been offered a contract.

Jason

[Mackdaddydean]

I'm at the same point myself.

I had high hopes when Gibbs came back but they have been tempered by reality. He is an old man with a major financial interest outside of football. He in no way resembles the Gibbs of the 80's. He may pull another winning record out of this season, but that's where it ends.

Sorry guys, but Gibbs will be here next year. He made a promise to the fans for 5 years and he will keep it.

[phishisthegreatstuff]

did we actually sign the guy cause i haven't seen anything official

[Leonard Washington]

ok we signed 5411 wideouts but there has been about 2-3 balls thrown to lloyd and that's about it.

translation: it doesn't matter who we sign, they aren't getting anything thrown to them.

i don't buy the "not getting open" BS.

[50yrSKINSfan]

I'm at the same point myself.

I had high hopes when Gibbs came back but they have been tempered by reality. He is an old man with a major financial interest outside of football. He in no way resembles the Gibbs of the 80's. He may pull another winning record out of this season, but that's where it ends. With a inexperienced QB, season ending injuries to key O-LINEman, a defence that struggles to stop the run and has no pass rush, I will take the winning season RIGHT NOW and be happy. A playoff appearence and I will be in heaven.

[The_cavalierman]

Signing McCardell after signing Caldwell is a sign that maybe Caldwell is a little slow picking up this offense.

McCardell has the most catches of any active WR in the league and has played on many teams. The Redskins are hoping he can come in and produce immediately.

As for what this says to Lloyd...it says nothing because Lloyd obviously isn't listening. He just keeps slipping down the depth chart so it is pretty apparent that Lloyd is

People are looking at this the wrong way because Lloyd is not to be blamed for being the bum he's always been. The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the Redskins front office for trading for Lloyd without doing their homework and then giving Lloyd fat cash without first allowing him to prove his worth to the franchise. Mike Nolan laughed at the Skins for trading for Lloyd since no one was after him.

Lloyd is the smart one here with a pocket full of cash playing or not....It is Joe Gibbs and friends who deserve the scrutiny for this move, Archuleta and others. What is obvious to me is that their needs to be a major shakeup in our scouting department.

[cphil006]

McCardell will run his routes and be effective. He will be able to teach Jason so much. Keenan played with Brunell. They are all together now on this team to help Jason. Teach Jason about the QB-WR relationship. What a WR shoudl do. What the QB shoudl look for.

This might be our best signing this season. This guy will contribute some on the field, but mightily off the field. He will help the morale, help the emotions of the team and in the locker room.

This is HUGE!!!!!

[deejaydana]

I love your optimism!

[dreamshatterer]

Was the guy even signed yet? No link at redskins.com nor on kffl.com. Why is everybody freaking out and already comming to conclusions? Oh, thats right, I'm on extremeskins! I hope we don't sign him. "Bug Eyes" Caldwell should know the offense by the end of next week. Or at least the packages he would be put in.

[The_cavalierman]

McCardell will run his routes and be effective. He will be able to teach Jason so much. Keenan played with Brunell. They are all together now on this team to help Jason. Teach Jason about the QB-WR relationship. What a WR shoudl do. What the QB shoudl look for.

This might be our best signing this season. This guy will contribute some on the field, but mightily off the field. He will help the morale, help the emotions of the team and in the locker room.

This is HUGE!!!!!

I agree that McCardell can teach Jason a great deal about WR-QB expectations.

I do think that Keyshawn Johnson could have done this as well and been more productive in the process.

Keyshawn had 77 catches last season (triple that of B-Lloyd). I think the Redskins front office should have pursued either Keyshawn, Moulds or McCardell.

[Schoolmaster]

I don't know how true this statement is. The guy clearly wants to play and possession receivers play in the league for a long time. See: Ellard, Henry.

Yeah, if this guy gives us numbers like Henry Ellard, its well worth the signing.

[Schoolmaster]

this is a move to shore up an area that has been a festering sore for some time.

I don't see signing of a 37 year old WR to a one year contract to get the team through the season at near minimum as being a sign Gibbs is 'selling out' in the idea that 2007 is necessarily an 'all or nothing' season.

This is a lot like the previous moves for DeMulling and Randall Godfrey, a chance to get veteran depth as other players either go down to injury or in Lloyd's case prove they aren't to be counted on.

Where has Lloyd proved, 'he is not to be counted on'?

[cozmikbuffalo]

Superbowl.........Superbowl.........uh Superbowl.......don't talk to me about Superbowl..........Superbowl!!!!!?????

[cozmikbuffalo]

McCardell will run his routes and be effective. He will be able to teach Jason so much. Keenan played with Brunell. They are all together now on this team to help Jason. Teach Jason about the QB-WR relationship. What a WR shoudl do. What the QB shoudl look for.

This might be our best signing this season. This guy will contribute some on the field, but mightily off the field. He will help the morale, help the emotions of the team and in the locker room.

This is HUGE!!!!!

Don't tell me Brunell is coming back hahahah

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Superbowl.........Superbowl.........uh Superbowl.......don't talk to me about Superbowl..........Superbowl!!!!!?????

LOL :laugh: :laugh:

[Hooper]

Lenny P is reporting that McCardell will be signed Monday and Lloyd will then most likely be released.

I just don't see it. Not with the cap hit they'd take.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=3040551

McCardell and the Redskins: Barring unanticipated glitches, veteran free-agent wide receiver Keenan McCardell officially will sign a one-year contract with the Washington Redskins on Monday, when the club reports back to work following its bye this weekend. The two sides have already agreed in principle to the deal.

The 18th-leading receiver in NFL history in terms of yards, McCardell negotiated with the Redskins this spring, but signed with his hometown Houston Texans, who released him before the start of the season. McCardell, 37, will become the sixth wide receiver on the Washington roster, which means someone likely will be released, and the leading candidate is probably fifth-year veteran Brandon Lloyd.

The Redskins acquired Lloyd from the 49ers last year for a third-round pick in the 2006 draft and a fourth-round choice this year. Like most deals in which the Redskins sacrifice draft picks for an overrated player, the trade has been a bust. In 18 games in a Redskins' uniform, Lloyd has only 23 catches for 365 yards and has not scored a touchdown. He has zero receptions in three games this season.

Notable is that McCardell, a two-time Pro Bowl performer, actually began his professional career with the Redskins in 1991 as a 12th-round draft pick. McCardell has 861 receptions for 11,117 yards and 62 touchdowns. He has registered seven seasons with 70 or more catches and five 1,000-yard campaigns. His career season was in 2000, when he rang up 94 catches for 1,207 yards for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

The former Nevada-Las Vegas star has appeared in 199 games with 167 starts in stints with Washington (1991), Cleveland (1992-95), Jacksonville (1996-2001), Tampa Bay (2002-03) and San Diego (2004-06). Last season, McCardell had 36 receptions for 437 yards with San Diego, but he played in only 11 games, was phased out later in the year when the Chargers began to rely on younger players, and failed to score a touchdown for the first time since 1994.

[bulldog]

The 49ers drafted Lloyd and then couldn't wait to be rid of him a couple of years later. So he made a great impression on their organization before coming here :laugh:

It is somewhat embarrassing in my mind that there seem to be as many people on this board that are willing to support Lloyd and give him the credit for every doubt as there are who are willing to do the same for Gibbs, Campbell or others :doh:

This guy is a bum plain and simple. Did he work one over on this front office in getting the cash BEFORE he produced anything?

YES.

But that doesn't mean anything NOW.

Now we are talking about performing on the field and winning football games.

I am amused that Lloyd said he had the perfect attitude and makeup for a winning team :)

He has never been on a team that even made .500 in the NFL as of yet.

Without the ridiculous salary cap the NFL works under, Lloyd would have been paid his money and a year later the team would have cut him, thereby admitting the mistake.

But because of the cap we have to ride this bum for another year and watch him drink Gatorade on the bench.

[TheLongshot]

I just don't see it. Not with the cap hit they'd take.

Particularly since we are over the projected cap for next year by a good bit already. I wish Lenny could explain that part of the story.

Jason

[bulldog]

those numbers are based on 2008 salaries of $10 plus million for Shawn Springs and as much for Portis.

Springs at 33 won't be back and Portis will be restructured.

[Oldfan]

[Directed to another poster]
EDIT - I apologize for talking about your education. I know Missouri isn't exactly known for its average IQ.

I just heard an alarming statistic. Did you know that half of the population of the USA have below average IQs?

[Stew]

Best gatorade drinker we have.... Championship!

[MDRedskinsFan]

I just heard an alarming statistic. Did you know that half of the population of the USA have below average IQs?:laugh:I heard a good one too. Did you hear that half of the US American population has above average IQ's? Must be the edumacation.

[barry wilburn]

Yes i agree. Signing McCardell means that Gibbs is making a run this year. Now they are definitely going to the super bowl and lavar is going to have three sacks this week.

[SKINS FAN #56]

This is a sign that shows Lloyd has very limited time left...

[Santana Clause]

Gibbs also went all-in with 7-2 offsuit Mark Brunell last year. Amazingly he got sucked out on by the river aka the rest of the NFL with a better hand.

[Rafterman]

Who are you, Dan Snyder? Why does he have to explain everything.


Some people in here think they could do a better job than Gibbs, and it just makes you all look like fools cause you know thats not true. :rolleyes:

If he won on a consistent basis against good teams he wouldn't have to explain much, would he?

The honeymoon with Gibbs II is over, for a lot of fans.

[Rafterman]

Signing McCardell after signing Caldwell is a sign that maybe Caldwell is a little slow picking up this offense.

McCardell has the most catches of any active WR in the league and has played on many teams. The Redskins are hoping he can come in and produce immediately.

As for what this says to Lloyd...it says nothing because Lloyd obviously isn't listening. He just keeps slipping down the depth chart so it is pretty apparent that Lloyd is

People are looking at this the wrong way because Lloyd is not to be blamed for being the bum he's always been. The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the Redskins front office for trading for Lloyd without doing their homework and then giving Lloyd fat cash without first allowing him to prove his worth to the franchise. Mike Nolan laughed at the Skins for trading for Lloyd since no one was after him.

Lloyd is the smart one here with a pocket full of cash playing or not....It is Joe Gibbs and friends who deserve the scrutiny for this move, Archuleta and others. What is obvious to me is that their needs to be a major shakeup in our scouting department.

AMEN

This organization needs a real GM or it is going to continue to flounder.

[Smurf85]

The reason we signed McCardell is, because Moss is injury prone. Moss is hurt right now and you knows if he will even play next week. If Lloyd wasn't suck a *****, we wouldn't have even picked McCardell up. So Gibbs is just being prepared just in case.

[TMK9973]

Hey - He was on our last Super Bowl team! Why not sign him...

[Rafterman]

Sorry guys, but Gibbs will be here next year. He made a promise to the fans for 5 years and he will keep it.

Yeah, sure he will.

Keep in mind that lame duck coaches are a rarity in the NFL,
Gibbs isn't getting any younger either.

Right now, it's a push.

[big z]

sorry i didn't read the whole thread, but although McCardell is old, he's 6'1" 200 pounder according to nfl.com....

maybe he can block better than our 2007 smurfs.


where is our possession wideout? quick slant? guy that can use his body to make the 3rd down catch?

maybe kmac helps...hopefully kmac helps...

[BleedBNG]

Friday bonus factoid: McCardell and Art Monk were teammates briefly on the '92 Skins.
'91... went to Cleveland in '92. Never took the field in '91, but has a SB XXVI ring from it.

[Bangee7]

Bodiford simply isn't NFL material, so letting him go isn't sacrificing any future to win now. He was just a warm body there for insurance in the return game.



I don't know much on the guy, but I'd say you're off track on Bodiford.

The 'Skins put him on the active roster knowing he was gonna be out for 6 weeks.

The Pack signed him back to their active roster knowing he's gonna be out a few more weeks.

He must be some a special return man or something.

[Seb]

Hell, two of the five highes scoring NFL offenses belong to Gibbs' Redskins.

20 + years ago :rolleyes:

[Bangee7]

....
Some people in here think they could do a better job than Gibbs, and it just makes you all look like fools cause you know thats not true. :rolleyes:

If you're talking personnel moves, disregard the rest of this.

If you're talking coaching, then read on.

Seriously, our coaches (headed by Gibbs) has looked pretty foolish at times.

I am honestly embarassed for them at the end of the 2nd & 4th quarter some times. It's usually the national game too.

It's like they go into brain-lock and can't pull the trigger.

It really says they're unprepared to deal with the current situation.

Is that from age or just having to funnel everything thru Gibbs?

I'm not sure.

But it is NOT good coaching or game management.

I like Gibbs, but I can recognize his weaknesses.

This is definitely not the old Gibbs that I remember.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

I liked the idea before, and I still like the idea of signing McCardell. I don't think he's going to have to wait 3 weeks to get on the field. If he's signed, it doesn't carry some kind of inner meaning to me. It feels to me like the Skins have the "win now" mentality EVERY YEAR. Win now, worry about consequences later. Carry extra cap room for Lloyd? Coles? Arch, Lavar, etc? Meh, don't think about that now, worry about it later.

[Seabee1973]

Anyone catch Archuleta's performance against the Cowboys? :)

Dallas exploited Archuleta up and down the field in pass coverage.

For all those who are ASSUMING that Lloyd is a capable, productive receiver........perhaps you should look to the Archuleta example.

When he was traded last year, Archuleta at 30 was not the same player he was earlier in his career before injuries took their toll.

Lloyd has never produced as consistently as Archuleta, so why the belief in him?

Has anyone here ever SEEN him produce anything of value?

The most famous thing he did in Washington is throw his helmet.

If the skins would line up in more 3-4 wideout sets it would open up the recievers more and enable them to stretch teh field more

[clathel]

We need to have more 4 WR sets like a certain HOF HC I know used to do....back when we could score at will.
JG isn't as interested in this team and how it does as he is his NASCAR team.
His NASCAR team is where his mind is until November.
Every year we seem to get better after the NASCAR season is over.

JG is interested in McCardell because he doesn't know how to play the talent he has.
The reason he doesn't know how to play them....His mind is on NASCAR first, and he doesn't understand the modern game....George Allen could have taken the time off and come back but he was always a football person. JG is just a businessman.

[mojobo]

We need to have more 4 WR sets like a certain HOF HC I know used to do.
JG isn't as interested in this team and how it does as he is his NASCAR team.
His NASCAR team is where his mind is until November.
Every year we seem to get better after the NASCAR season is over.

JG is interested in McCardell because he doesn't know how to play the talent he has.
The reason he doesn't know how to play them....His mind is on NASCAR first, and he doesn't understand the modern game....George Allen could have taken the time off and come back but he was always a football person. JG is just a businessman.

Wrong Joe Gibbs is a professional and you thinking he is focusing on NASCAR over the Redskins is just wrong. Him signing a receiver means they are not comfortable with who we have and not that Gibbs is focusing on NASCAR.

[Bacon]

We haven't had a clear win yet.

Shwa?

You must have forgotten to tivo the Eagle game, because we completely outplayed them and won by 8 points. Sorry if your own lack of confidence in the Skins made it seem closer than it actually was, but yeah, we owned them.

[cozmikbuffalo]

Shwa?

You must have forgotten to tivo the Eagle game, because we completely outplayed them and won by 8 points. Sorry if your own lack of confidence in the Skins made it seem closer than it actually was, but yeah, we owned them.

I saw the game and we certainly didn't own Westbrook who had combined 192 yards against us. We certainly didn't do anything to make them drop what 9 passes. Passes I might add that if caught there were at least 4 that would have clearly affected the outcome of that game.

We may have played more dominantly in the first half....uh just like we did against NY. Wait , see a pattern here. Just cause we win a game by the skin of our teeth doesn't mean we OWNED them by any stretch of the imagination.

[tryfuhl]

I think that people acting like a 2-1 team is the same as an 11-5 team are ridiculous.. let's hold up on that first. I'm all for it, but it's 3 games in...

[kingchris626]

If Gibbs doesn't think we're going to make a run then he shouldn't be our coach.

[Schoolmaster]

Does anyone know the status with Mcardell? So we haven't signed him yet, right? If not have we offered him a contract?

Also, any news on how Caldwell has looked in practice?

Let's assume for a second that Moss misses the Detroit game. From what I've read it's iffy. So we have El, Thrash, and Lloyd in our 3 receiver set. Caldwell if we go 4 WR (I'm assuming he'll be active).

My guess is that Mcardell will be inactive for the Detroit game and JG is going to play a wait and see approach to Caldwell and Mcardell. Give it a couple of weeks then cut one of them. That's about all the sense I can make out of it.

I'm reading it that way also.

[SkinsFTW]

I think that people acting like a 2-1 team is the same as an 11-5 team are ridiculous.. let's hold up on that first. I'm all for it, but it's 3 games in...


Yeah, it's not like our 3-1 team in 2003 didn't end up 5-11. Our 2-2 team last year also ended up 5-11.

[Bat~man]

Every season these types of threads pop up after so and so game , and it never happens , Gibbs just doesn't do it , he sits on leads and it costs us , he puts it on our defense too much and it costs us , now I hope we do light it up but I just don't see it , not with a makeshift o-line , inconsistent QB play and WRs that drop passes , I just hope we get better thats all I can realistically hope for

[pjfootballer]

Still no signing. I like the team how it is. Too much in and out. Let them play together for a while and see how it goes.

[Stew]

Still no signing. I like the team how it is. Too much in and out. Let them play together for a while and see how it goes.


Thats a good point, it will have a new face in Caldwell anyways. Too many tweaks might be a little too much at once.

[bulldog]

it's not like this is the first time in Redskins history the club has blown a lead at home and lost a close game :laugh:

anyone remember the 1983 opener against Dallas where a 23-3 halftime leade ended up as a 31-30 loss?

at 2-1, it's how you respond to that early adversity and come out in your next game.

clearly, the Eagles didn't let the loss to the Redskins on Monday Night crush them :)

[NebraSKIN]

It means Moss is hurt more than anybody is letting on.

[bulldog]

McCardell is obviously a quick study and has dependable hands.

More than anything else this team needs receivers that Campbell can depend on.

If Cooley has to stay in and block on critical plays due to the injuries up front on the line, that means we need a possession receiver to run the short and intermediate routes Campbell usually looks for from #47.

Caldwell is learning the system but McCardell is in all likelihood going to be a quicker study and I bet he is on the field against the Lions.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

3. I'm not using a crystal ball, I'm using basic football knowledge, which you lack.




OWNED!!!!!!!!! :laugh:

[SkinsFTW]

it's not like this is the first time in Redskins history the club has blown a lead at home and lost a close game :laugh:

anyone remember the 1983 opener against Dallas where a 23-3 halftime leade ended up as a 31-30 loss?

at 2-1, it's how you respond to that early adversity and come out in your next game.

clearly, the Eagles didn't let the loss to the Redskins on Monday Night crush them :)

The 1983 team had just won the Super Bowl and knew they were the team to beat. They won 16 of the next 17. This is a 5-11 team last year who underachieved and blew games with great regularity. Not quite the same ballpark.

[Thoth]

I want some of what you're smokin'.
This is the easy part of our season.
We barely beat the dolphins, soundly beat an Eagles team with a hobbled McNabb and without a probowl corner, and blew a 14 point lead against the Giants. Meanwhile, teams like the Cowboys and Pats have been absolutely destroying opponents.

NO ONE comes in to Saunders' system and lights it up immediately--it is too complicated.

There is nothing in last 3 years to suggest we are going to be aggressive and light it up. Gibbs is conservative, and believes in risk mitigation. I'd love to see it, but experience suggests it is against Gibbs' nature. Until the O shows some muscle, Williams can't feel comfortable taking big risks, cause the O can't ever bail him out.

Most probably, the signing of McCardell reflects the fact that Lloyd is a bust, the acknowledgement that we need a big receiver in the red zone, and our intention to either sign a FA offseason, or hopefully, draft 1 with a 1, 2 or 3 round pick. You can find starting possession recievers at this point.

I love the Skins, but we are not a Superbowl contender. We do not rush the passer well enough with our front 4 and this will cost us against better teams with good QBs, who will make us pay for mismatches when we bring back 7 players on blitz. Moreover, our running O is now, like a basketball player who can only dribble with one hand, favoring one side--the left. Losing Jansen and Thomas is not some small thing, and will affect us significantly against very good Ds who will get more penetration.

Finally, Moss has the dropsies so far this year, and until McCardell proves it on the field, we don't have a possession receiver which we desperately need.

We are a good team, and it is not absurd to think playoffs, but to put us in the same class as Colts, Pats, Steelers, and perhaps Cowboys, is absurd.

You just have to hope that next time we're in the redzone Gibbs lets Sanuders call the plays. You have to hope next time we have a 14 point lead, we come out still being aggressive on D and O instead of riding a lead.

[ibarramedia]

Has he been signed already? Or is it just talks?

[Peregrine]

Please explain to me, how after 3 games where nobody on our recieving core except Moss and Randle El have seen the ball, a 37 year old reciever is supposed to come in and change everything, not only jumping over Thrash, Lloyd, and Caldwell, but managing to convince them to actually throw the ball to someone other than Randle El and Moss?