The official "the Big East officially sucks" thread

[hokie4redskins]

No more Heisman hopefuls. No more MNC pipe dreams. No more clinging to Rutgers as a marquee program. Maryland? :laugh: All you staunch yet deluded defenders of your conference have now been exposed as imbeciles. Unfortunately, it took too long for reality to set in.

Louisville sucks, WVU sucks, Rutgers sucks. Who's carrying the banner for the conference? South friggin' Florida.

USF is solid, but it's simply pathetic that the old BE members would allow this rookie upstart to claim top dog. It was hilarious seeing WVU roll over last night. WVU couldn't win the BE when we were there, and you STILL can't. :laugh:

[kevin11]

The acc is so much better. *sarcasm*

[SkinsHokieFan]

I gotta say, I like the USF program a lot and what they are doing

They easily could be an MNC contender in the next 5 years with the talent base they are by, the coaching staff they have, and the facilities they are building

Like I said in another thread, my friend was telling me how USF 2007 reminds of Virginia Tech circa 1995, 1996, fast agressive defense, an attitude and a "here we come" approach to football

Nice to see

As for the rest of the Big East, the bubble really popped this weekend, culminating with UVA"s asskicking of Pitt tonight

[cjcdaman]

South Florida will be a year in year out contender in a few years. Too much talent in that state.

[Spartacus87]

The acc is so much better. *sarcasm* I think these Big East vs ACC arguments are kind of silly, but outside of WVU, who is a Top 10 team at this point rather than some kind of MNC contender, the Big East is certainly no better than the ACC.

[kevin11]

I think these Big East vs ACC arguments are kind of silly, but outside of WVU, who is a Top 10 team at this point rather than some kind of MNC contender, the Big East is certainly no better than the ACC.all fail to SEC.

[PleaseBlitz]

The BE is much better than the ACC. :D

[Spartacus87]

I think these Big East vs ACC arguments are kind of silly, but outside of WVU, who is a Top 10 team at this point rather than some kind of MNC contender, the Big East is certainly no better than the ACC. Apparently WVU isn't a Top 10 team anymore, rather USF is, and Florida's barely holding on.

Talk about bizarre rankings compared to a couple weeks ago.

[SkinsHokieFan]

The BE is much better than the ACC. :D

After UMD took care of Rutgers at Rutgers and UVA destroyed Pitt, thats not the brightest statement to make today :laugh:

I like what USF is doing quite a bit, that is going to be a powerhouse program very soon. Definitely not a top 6 program now, but watch out if that recruiting picks up, which it will

[Major Harris]

and he's still obsessed

[Predicto]

A lot of conferences are down this year. Big East, Big Ten, Big Eight, ACC... all of them suck this year.

The Pac Ten and SEC are the only ones not stinking out the joint lately.

[Richmond Redskin]

A lot of conferences are down this year. Big East, Big Ten, Big Eight, ACC... all of them suck this year.

The Pac Ten and SEC are the only ones not stinking out the joint lately.

This is so true. There is a lot of ugly football going on in most of the conferences this year. But that's fine, this year is wide open for each conferences top dogs. You have to love it when it could be any team fighting for a conference championship.

The best part of this year so far is that Notre Dame is 0-5 and could/should go 4-8 or worse!!

[jbooma]

A lot of conferences are down this year. Big East, Big Ten, Big Eight, ACC... all of them suck this year.

The Pac Ten and SEC are the only ones not stinking out the joint lately.


Interesting you say that when the Big 10 has 2 teams in the top 5 and 3 undefeatd :) I would also say Michigan would still beat a lot of teams (and I hate to say that).

[The Evil Genius]

After UMD took care of Rutgers at Rutgers and UVA destroyed Pitt, thats not the brightest statement to make today :laugh:



Pitt sucks (the loss to UConn last week didn't clue you in to that?).

And, remind me again what UMD did against WVU?

BTW, USF beat UNC by 27. How many did VPI beat UNC this weekend by? :silly:

[SkinsHokieFan]

Pitt sucks (the loss to UConn last week didn't clue you in to that?).

And, remind me again what UMD did against WVU?

BTW, USF beat UNC by 27. How many did VPI beat UNC this weekend by? :silly:


Since when did we say we have an offense? :doh:

We win games the Redskins way, much closer then they should be :thumbsup:

A very good weekend for the ACC and a bad one for the Big East, anytime you lose to UVA by 30 you are not looking good

[The Evil Genius]

Since when did we say we have an offense? :doh:

We win games the Redskins way, much closer then they should be :thumbsup:

A very good weekend for the ACC and a bad one for the Big East, anytime you lose to UVA by 30 you are not looking good


Pitt sucks. They lost to freaking UConn by 20. Ha!

I think you guys are doing the right think with double T. Get him the playing time so that he will be golden in 2 years.

Another 17-10 game this weekend against Clemson? Oh, and I hope you guys knock off BC. That way, the ACC is totally forgotten when they are eliminated.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Pitt sucks. They lost to freaking UConn by 20. Ha!

I think you guys are doing the right think with double T. Get him the playing time so that he will be golden in 2 years.

Another 17-10 game this weekend against Clemson? Oh, and I hope you guys knock off BC. That way, the ACC is totally forgotten when they are eliminated.


If we score 17 against Clemson with no special teams or D scores, I'll eat a hat

We'll probably beat BC and GT, but who the hell knows with this JV offense

FSU, Miami and UVA? Niether of those 3 games look like the W's I had penciled in to start the year, especially UVA

[The Evil Genius]

If we score 17 against Clemson with no special teams or D scores, I'll eat a hat

We'll probably beat BC and GT, but who the hell knows with this JV offense

FSU, Miami and UVA? Niether of those 3 games look like the W's I had penciled in to start the year, especially UVA

Now don't get all Lou Holtz on me. :laugh:

I am hoping you guys win the ACC...but only if WVU gets a BCS bid (which can happen if they win out - especially since the early projected BCS rankings have them at #10 right now after the loss).

Wouldn't a VPI/WVU matchup in the Orange Bowl be nice?

;)

[PleaseBlitz]

Still an awful lot of football to be played to be making any kind of determination. I thought NEXT weekend was going to be the crazy one.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Now don't get all Lou Holtz on me. :laugh:

I am hoping you guys win the ACC...but only if WVU gets a BCS bid (which can happen if they win out - especially since the early projected BCS rankings have them at #10 right now after the loss).

Wouldn't a VPI/WVU matchup in the Orange Bowl be nice?

;)

Lots of fun

You saw how that USF game went down for you all? It would be just like that, except we wouldn't score 21 points unless we blocked a FG and returned it for a TD or some crazy play like that....

[hokie4redskins]

http://cfn.scout.com/2/685462.html

Who's Hot?

The ACC
Who's the bad boy conference now? Fine, so no one's confusing the ACC with the SEC quite yet, but the league had a huge weekend when it comes to gaining national respect, with Maryland beating Rutgers, Florida State beating Alabama, and Virginia thumping Pitt. NC State lost to Louisville, but helping the overall out of conference record, Boston College beat UMass.

Who's Not?

The Big East
South Florida might be everyone's darling, but no one seems to hot on getting it involved in the national title talk (which is a big mistake). West Virginia was considered the top national title contender from the league, but that's gone now after the loss to the Bulls. Syracuse inexplicably lost to Miami University, making Louisville's loss to the Orange look that much worse. While Cincinnati and Connecticut rolled against San Diego State and Akron, respectively, Pitt got blasted by Virginia and Rutgers lost at home to Maryland.

Star dual threat quarterbacks
This wasn't a great week for star, spread offense, dual threat quarterbacks, with West Virginia's Pat White getting knocked out with a thigh injury in the loss to South Florida, Florida's Tim Tebow losing to Auburn, Washington's Jake Locker struggling in a loss to USC, and Oregon's Dennis Dixon losing to California. UL Lafayette's Michael Desormeaux is the nation's leading rushing quarterback, but he and his Ragin' Cajuns lost to UCF.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[The Evil Genius]

I cannot emphasize how bad Pitt is right now.

Ok...maybe I can.

They would lose to Duke by 2 TD's.

How hot will the ACC be when their top team (BC) loses in a few weeks...leaving no undefeateds in that conference also....

[hokie4redskins]

South Florida has just taken over and everybody else is reeling. You should be more worried about your **** conference.

No way BC runs the table. No way a conference with VT, GT, Clemson, Miami, and FSU runs the table.

How does that bode badly for the health of the ACC?

:whoknows:

Are we losing our BCS bid like you claimed last year?

:laugh: :laugh:

[The Evil Genius]

Are we losing our BCS bid like you claimed last year?

:laugh: :laugh:

Who claimed that? Some said they should based on the same criteria that was being used against the BE prior to 2 years ago. But I doubt anyone said the ACC was losing their bid.

P.S.

Do you know what Boise State and the ACC have in common?

1 BCS bowl win.

[PSUHeckler]

All I hafta say is the Big East is equal to the Big Ten. Neither show any competition, little heart, and it's pathetic compared to the rest of the NCAA. My apologies to WVU, PSU, Rutgers, and Michigan fans ahead of time... but you know it's true.

[PSUHeckler]

All I hafta say is the Big East is equal to the Big Ten. Neither show any competition, little heart, and it's pathetic compared to the rest of the NCAA. My apologies to WVU, PSU, Rutgers, and Michigan fans ahead of time... but you know it's true.

And I also like the USF ranking just because I regularly pull for the underdog in games I could usually care less about - in this case, most non-BigTen schools.

[The Evil Genius]

You could add the Big 12 in there too..and the SEC after this weekend. I fully expect Florida to knock off LSU and South Carolina to beat Kentucky.

;)

[PleaseBlitz]

The funny thing about ACC fans is that they will bash other conferences, but they will never mention their own conference. Ok, WVU and Rutgers lost, but who is the ACC marching out there as a legit contender? Anyone? The first post says "no more Heisman hopefuls", great, the ACC had none to begin with.

This thread is just confirmation that ACC fans have really been sweating for the past year because all the success the BE has had makes them look awful after the way things were SUPPOSSED to happen according to them.

We are still an 8 team conference with 4 teams in the top 25.

[hokie4redskins]

:laugh: :laugh:

(Off) the Mark
The Big East. The upstart conference took more hits than Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen during the first month of the season. Louisville, Rutgers and West Virginia were considered BCS contenders at the start of the season, but each has already lost. The Cardinals lost to Kentucky and Syracuse. West Virginia fell at South Florida on Friday night, and Rutgers was upset at home by Maryland on Saturday.

(Off) The Mark
West Virginia's offense. Texas' offense, defense and special teams. USC's discipline (16 penalties, three turnovers and a blocked punt in 27-24 win at Washington). LSU's offensive line (six sacks allowed in 34-9 win at Tulane). Notre Dame's 0-5 start. Syracuse's flop. NC State's turnovers. Clemson's running game. Hawaii quarterback Colt Brennan's five interceptions. The Red River Shootout. Pittsburgh. Mississippi State's luck. Penn State. Memphis' collapse. Oregon State's special teams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=3044433&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

[The Evil Genius]

Not to be testy...but the offense wasn't the problem (not when you have the ball for 38+ minutes and put up 450+ yards).

The problem was turnovers. They had a pass intercepted for a TD. A turnover near the USF goalline. And all together, 6 actual turnovers (10 fumbles but only 3 led to turnovers).

While that is indicative of the offense playing poorly - its also a rarity to happen to a team. All in all, I think the offense is fine. Especially when it doesn't turn the ball over 6 times in a game.

:(

[hokie4redskins]

Not to be testy...but the offense wasn't the problem (not when you have the ball for 38+ minutes and put up 450+ yards).

The problem was turnovers. They had a pass intercepted for a TD. A turnover near the USF goalline. And all together, 6 actual turnovers (10 fumbles but only 3 led to turnovers).

While that is indicative of the offense playing poorly - its also a rarity to happen to a team. All in all, I think the offense is fine. Especially when it doesn't turn the ball over 6 times in a game.

:(

Sorry, but when your OFFENSE puts the ball on the ground or throws it to the other team SIX TIMES, your OFFENSE is the problem.

[The Evil Genius]

Sorry, but when your OFFENSE puts the ball on the ground or throws it to the other team SIX TIMES, your OFFENSE is the problem.

But there is a big difference between your offense is the problem and you have a problem with your offense.

In this game, the offense was the problem (turning the ball over). Was that caused by a tough USF D? We'll see. If that production becomes the norm for WVU the rest of the season - then there is a problem with the offense.

[Predicto]

Interesting you say that when the Big 10 has 2 teams in the top 5 and 3 undefeatd :) I would also say Michigan would still beat a lot of teams (and I hate to say that).

Well, I'm a Michigan man and a Big 10 supporter, but it sure looks like a down year to me. Ohio State is unbeaten but hardly impressive. Wisconsin hasn't played anyone, nor has Purdue. Michigan lost to a 1AA team. Penn State got crushed by Michigan and Illinois. It's just not a strong year.

[Forehead]

Well, I'm a Michigan man and a Big 10 supporter, but it sure looks like a down year to me. Ohio State is unbeaten but hardly impressive. Wisconsin hasn't played anyone, nor has Purdue. Michigan lost to a 1AA team. Penn State got crushed by Michigan and Illinois. It's just not a strong year.


Well, it's not a strong year for PSU or Michigan. The problem with the Big Ten right now is that when anyone thinks of the conference, they immediately think of the Michigan-Appalachian State game. That didn't do much for our conference prestige. But hey, as much as they may not have played anyone, the fact remains that Ohio State and Wisconsin are Top Five teams currently, much as it pains me to say it, and Michigan is rebounding nicely. Purdue and Illinois are having good seasons. The Big Ten is not having a bad year right now.

Penn State is not having a good year, and I place most of that blame on Anthony Morelli and Austin Scott. I also believe that Ohio State and Wisconsin would probably get smoked pretty bad if they played USC or LSU. But they haven't played them yet, and they are rated top 5, so you've got to give it to them until their knocked off. Remember, no one gave that Ohio State team in 2001 a chance against the Miami juggernaut, and they pulled it out.

And don't forget the most important stat of all, the Big Ten is currently 4-0 against teams with a Fighting Irish mascot.;)

[hokie4redskins]

Well, Saban doesn't think too much of USF's accomplishments.

Saban takes shot at South Florida
Posted: Thursday October 04, 2007 07:41AM ET

Alabama coach Nick Saban fired a shot at South Florida's admissions policy. "There are a significant amount of players who don't qualify and they end up being pretty good players at some other schools," Saban said in an interview with the Birmingham News. "I think there are six guys starting on the South Florida defense who probably would have gone to Florida or Florida State, but Florida and FSU couldn't take them." Cheap shot? It certainly came off that way to USF coach Jim Leavitt, a rising star who did not care for someone dumping mud on his team's historic accomplishment.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/ncaa#

[hokie4redskins]

Damn, they cheated, played dirty, and still lost. Rutgers is awesome. :thumbsup:

Terps accuse Rutgers of dirty play
Posted: Wednesday October 03, 2007 04:52AM ET

One day after Duke was reprimanded by the ACC for violating league policy by giving Rutgers the game tape from the Maryland-Wake Forest game, Terps coach Ralph Friedgen accused the Knights of intentionally trying to injure starting quarterback Jordan Steffy during the game. Friedgen, at his weekly press conference yesterday, said "(Rutgers) went after him (Steffy). They were trying to take him out of the game." Rutgers coach Greg Schiano declined to comment on Friedgen's accusation.

Same link.

[Major Harris]

Well, Saban doesn't think too much of USF's accomplishments.

Saban takes shot at South Florida
Posted: Thursday October 04, 2007 07:41AM ET

Alabama coach Nick Saban fired a shot at South Florida's admissions policy. "There are a significant amount of players who don't qualify and they end up being pretty good players at some other schools," Saban said in an interview with the Birmingham News. "I think there are six guys starting on the South Florida defense who probably would have gone to Florida or Florida State, but Florida and FSU couldn't take them." Cheap shot? It certainly came off that way to USF coach Jim Leavitt, a rising star who did not care for someone dumping mud on his team's historic accomplishment.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/ncaa#

saban may want to check himself before spewing nonsense:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/oct/02/usf-coach-slams-remarks-academic-standards/?sports-colleges-bulls


Leavitt disputed Saban's statement.

"Of 110 players, we have two nonqualifiers, one starts, one doesn't," Leavitt said. "The Big East doesn't allow nonqualifiers. For a guy to make a mistake like that is not right.

it's not in that article, but in another one i read somewhere, leavitt says that both non-qualifiers are on track to graduate.

[EersSkins05]

Well, Saban doesn't think too much of USF's accomplishments.

Saban takes shot at South Florida
Posted: Thursday October 04, 2007 07:41AM ET

Alabama coach Nick Saban fired a shot at South Florida's admissions policy. "There are a significant amount of players who don't qualify and they end up being pretty good players at some other schools," Saban said in an interview with the Birmingham News. "I think there are six guys starting on the South Florida defense who probably would have gone to Florida or Florida State, but Florida and FSU couldn't take them." Cheap shot? It certainly came off that way to USF coach Jim Leavitt, a rising star who did not care for someone dumping mud on his team's historic accomplishment.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/ncaa#

EDIT- Damn, Major beat me to most of this.

Read the Daily News article linked there for the appropriate response by Leavitt:

Leavitt claimed he had two non-qualifiers on his 110-man roster (1 starter) and both are on track to graduate. He offered to resign if those facts weren't true. And it looked particularly petty of Saban when The Tampa Tribune pointed out that USF freshmen running backs Jamar Taylor and Mike Ford both initially signed with Alabama. Taylor enrolled in January before transferring to be closer to his family. Ford signed, but didn't qualify and needed prep school.

That Tampa Tribune article (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/oct/02/usf-coach-slams-remarks-academic-standards/?sports-colleges-bulls)goes on to point out that "USF senior Mike Jenkins disagreed with Saban's statement, even noting Saban offered Jenkins a full scholarship to LSU when Jenkins was a senior at Bradenton Southeast High School."

[PleaseBlitz]

No coach of any SEC school should ever call out another program for anything regarding ethics.

[Spartacus87]

No coach of any SEC school should ever call out another program for anything regarding ethics. Word. Especially Saban, who's pretty much Satan himself (along with Meyer) when it comes to totally dirty and unethical recruiting. What a joke.

[hokie4redskins]

How the hell did the Big East allow the upstart newbie to take over? Because it SUCKS maybe? Because it can't field a decent team? Good luck 'eers. Well, maybe Syracuse will one day become a power.

:laugh:

Raging Bulls
South Florida's rise could change recruiting landscape
Posted: Wednesday October 3, 2007 5:41PM; Updated: Wednesday October 3, 2007 5:41PM
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By Mike Farrell, Special to SI.com, Rivals.com

There's a potential superpower forming once again in the state of Florida.

Years after Bobby Bowden turned Florida State into a national title contender and Howard Schnellenberger took the Miami program from near-death to flourishing health, Jim Leavitt has USF on the cusp of something special. And you can bet that the programs that recruit in the Sunshine State are a bit worried.

The Bulls showed the nation that last season's 9-4 record and huge victory at West Virginia was no fluke after another huge victory over the Mountaineers. This time it came in front of a school-record crowd and numerous recruits. It could be the kind of win that bolts the Bulls to the top of the Big East sooner than later. But how did they get here?

It's not like the Bulls have been beating top BCS programs for recruits since joining the Big East. In 2005, they ranked fourth in the Big East behind West Virginia, Pitt and Louisville, and they've finished lower than that each year since. But the coaching staff has done a great job developing players, and it's clear that even second-tier players from Florida can compete with anyone in the country.

Of USF's star players, only tailback Mike Ford and linebacker Brouce Mompremier were highly coveted. Ford signed with Alabama out of high school but ended up at Hargrave Military Academy in Chatham, Va., because he was ruled academically ineligible. He was a record-setting high school running back at Sarasota (Fla.) High and is considered the biggest recruit to sign with the Bulls. Mompremier had offers from LSU and Tennessee after being named all-state Class 5A at Miami's Edison High as a senior.

But the rest of USF's impact players? Not so coveted, at least by the other Florida schools.

Quarterback Matt Grothe, one of the big keys to the Bulls' success, had no other Division I-A offers when he committed to USF. Even as the recruiting process neared an end, there were opportunities for other schools to poach Grothe, but no one made a true effort. You can bet there are many coaches kicking themselves now.

Linebacker Ben Moffitt didn't get a sniff from any other programs, and defensive end George Selvie told Rivals.com last week that USF was the only I-A school that recruited him. Wide receiver Taurus Johnson had offers from UCF and Florida Atlantic, but was snubbed by the Gators, Seminoles and Hurricanes.

So what happens now that USF is a nationally ranked team with a legit shot at a BCS bowl game? What happens if they win the Big East and a BCS bowl this season? That could be bad news for a few Big East teams -- such as Rutgers, Pitt and West Virginia -- who consistently sign second-tier players from the southern part of Florida.

But before we get too far ahead of ourselves, let me make one thing clear. The Bulls are nowhere near ready to go head-to-head in recruiting battles with Miami, Florida and others for the true stars in the southern part of the state. Miami is off to a 4-1 start, but the Hurricanes certainly aren't dominating anyone on the field (as evidenced by their 24-14 win over Duke last weekend). But the Hurricanes still have nine commitments for the 2008 class ranked four stars or above. USF? They have nine commitments total, none of them ranked three stars or higher.
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This isn't an overnight process, but big wins will lead to better Big East-level recruits. Eventually, the Bulls could become major players when recruiting Florida. USF is one of the best teams in the nation right now. Imagine if they begin to recruit like one.

Michigan keeps rolling: Things on the field didn't get off to a good start for Michigan this season, but recruiting hasn't suffered. Lloyd Carr and his staff received commitment No. 16 this past weekend when Detroit Country Day linebacker Kenny Demens chose Michigan over Michigan State and Nebraska. Demens is the 12th commitment for the Wolverines who is ranked four stars or better.

Georgia adds speedster: Frostproof (Fla.) High tailback Carlton Thomas sounded like a Notre Dame lock after his official visit to South Bend the weekend of Aug. 31, but he changed his tune less than a month later. Thomas (5-foot-6, 159 pounds), who rushed for 2,283 yards and 25 touchdowns as a junior, took an official visit to Georgia this past weekend and committed to Mark Richt and his staff. Thomas would have added much-needed speed to Notre Dame's offense.

New offer for defensive end: Michigan defensive end Nick Perry long has been favoring Michigan State, but a new offer this week could change things. USC has offered Perry (6-4, 220 pounds), and he will take an official visit to L.A. to check out the Trojans after his high school season ends.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/10/03/rivals.recruitingNEW/index.html

[The Evil Genius]

2 things - intentionally injuring Steffy would be aiding Maryland, not hurting them.

:D

And, I believe, the SEC allows for non-qualifiers. The Big East, does not. Ironic huh?

[The Evil Genius]

Found this on another board...

Per SEC bylaw 14.3.2.1

Men’s sports are permitted to enroll an annual total of four (4) student-athletes classified as partial or non-qualifiers, with no more than two (2) permitted annually in football, and not more than one (1) permitted annually in any other sport

Hmmm.

[PleaseBlitz]

Word. Especially Saban, who's pretty much Satan himself (along with Meyer) when it comes to totally dirty and unethical recruiting. What a joke.

Seriously. Didnt someone start a THREAD on Saban's unethical recruiting practices about a 3 weeks after he got to Alabama?

[The Evil Genius]

Isn't this the first year in 20 that none of the teams in the SEC are on probation?

;)

[PleaseBlitz]

Anyone notice who is at the top of the ACC Coastal Division?

[Major Harris]

man, hokie4's pathetic attempt has been ass-raped in here.

[Gator Bait]

okay, i'm a Gator fan/SEC fan and I will settle this once and for all. Everyone knows the SEC is the best division in football.

ACC is far better than the Big East. This is why Miami, VT, and Boston College fled the Big East for the ACC

West VA is probably the most over rated football team in college history. They don't play VT anymore because they wanted a cup cake schedule to run through.

I'm impressed w/ USF and knew they would beat WVU, but don't crown them yet. They have had one impressive year ever...and that year isn't over yet. I think they are legit, but they could crash and burn in the second half of the season.

Rutgers had one good season....last year, they lost to UM last week (who I might add is one of the middle teams of the ACC, not even top tier!)

Louisville is probably the only team that proves they are a decent team year in and year out. They are just having a bad year this year....everyone has an off year.

Now in the ACC you have FSU and Miami, they had off years last year, but both have one multiple national championships in the past. I might add that they both have one loss this year and will probably both be ranked when they play each other in a few weeks.

One of the two MIami, or VT would win the Big east every year back when they were in. VT won the ACC two years ago, and I can't remember the last time they weren't in the top 25.

then you have clemson, GT, and BC who are almost always ranked.

If you think the Big East could even **** in the same place as the ACC, you must be on crack!

[SkinsHokieFan]

Anyone notice who is at the top of the ACC Coastal Division?

Eh, they have played 3 ACC games, 2 of which were Duke and UNC, which they beat by a combined 12 points. I will give them credit for beating GT at home

We have only played 1. We will see what happens this Saturday against Bowden jr, its October and its usually time he falls apart

[hokie4redskins]

man, hokie4's pathetic attempt has been ass-raped in here.

Pathetic attempt at what? Speaking the truth? Exposing you to reality? Your conference is garbage. You know it and I know it. And your team can't even WIN that garbage conference. Enjoy rotting in the Big East.

:laugh:

Anybody notice who's at the top of the BE?

It isn't WVU. Actually, they're third from the bottom.

:laugh:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/conferences/bige/

Connecticut 1 0 5 0
South Florida 1 0 4 0
Syracuse 1 0 1 4
Cincinnati 0 0 5 0
Rutgers 0 0 3 1
West Virginia 0 1 4 1
Louisville 0 1 3 2
Pittsburgh 0 1 2 3

Seeing yourself so low in the standings brings back memories of when we were there, huh?

[The Evil Genius]

They don't play VT anymore because they wanted a cup cake schedule to run through.

And here I thought it was VPI that wanted WVU off their schedule. Or was it a mutual agreement? Seriously, has it ever been proven that one team wanted to drop the other? I do know that Beamer cried about how his family was treated in Morgantown, as if he should be bringing his loved ones into any hostile territories. :rolleyes:

As for ancient memories, remind me again VPI's BE record their last 3 years in the BE?

Hint...11-10

[The Evil Genius]

Pathetic attempt at what? Speaking the truth? Exposing you to reality? Your conference is garbage. You know it and I know it. And your team can't even WIN that garbage conference. Enjoy rotting in the Big East.

:laugh:

Anybody notice who's at the top of the BE?

It isn't WVU. Actually, they're third from the bottom.

:laugh:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/conferences/bige/

Connecticut 1 0 5 0
South Florida 1 0 4 0
Syracuse 1 0 1 4
Cincinnati 0 0 5 0
Rutgers 0 0 3 1
West Virginia 0 1 4 1
Louisville 0 1 3 2
Pittsburgh 0 1 2 3

Seeing yourself so low in the standings brings back memories of when we were there, huh?

After this weekend, WVU will be third in the conference. And moving up to take its place at the top when USF drops one or two games that it shouldn't.

;)

[Major Harris]

Pathetic attempt at what?

i was referring to your leavitt / saban garbage.

[Major Harris]

okay, i'm a Gator fan/SEC fan and I will settle this once and for all. Everyone knows the SEC is the best division in football.

the sec is easily the best conference, that's pretty much undisputed here. stick around though, i'm sure hokie4 could come up with creative musings as to why the acc is superior, if given enough motivation.

ACC is far better than the Big East. This is why Miami, VT, and Boston College fled the Big East for the ACC

exhibit A of why you have no clue. they left for money, not because a conference that had one good team in it was a better conference.


West VA is probably the most over rated football team in college history. They don't play VT anymore because they wanted a cup cake schedule to run through.


exhibit b of why you don't know :pooh:

it's pretty well known that vtech backed out of the series. i don't think shf or hokie4 would dispute that.




Louisville is probably the only team that proves they are a decent team year in and year out.

exhibit C. why don't you give us the record of Louisville over the last decade.




One of the two MIami, or VT would win the Big east every year back when they were in. VT won the ACC two years ago, and I can't remember the last time they weren't in the top 25.


why don't you let us know exactly how many big east championships vtech won.

then you have clemson, GT, and BC who are almost always ranked.

one of which wvu beat on new years day last season.


If you think the Big East could even **** in the same place as the ACC, you must be on crack!

are you 11 or 12?

[SkinsHokieFan]

And here I thought it was VPI that wanted WVU off their schedule. Or was it a mutual agreement? Seriously, has it ever been proven that one team wanted to drop the other? I do know that Beamer cried about how his family was treated in Morgantown, as if he should be bringing his loved ones into any hostile territories. :rolleyes:

As for ancient memories, remind me again VPI's BE record their last 3 years in the BE?

Hint...11-10

There have been so many rumors about why the series ended I don't know anymore

I have never seen a link about Beamer bitchin about how his family was treated in 2003, and again if he was so concerned about it, he never would have signed on for the 2004 and 2005 games

I'll actually ask around people "in the know" that can give me some sort "real" reason why the series ended, besides the usual BS spewed that VT "backed out" of a series which they were dominating

Surprisingly the only people crying after the 2005 game was the WVU crowd about how Marcus abused them, but again, if 2003 was such a debacle, then the 04 and 05 games never would have happened

[Major Harris]

There have been so many rumors about why the series ended I don't know anymore

I have never seen a link about Beamer bitchin about how his family was treated in 2003, and again if he was so concerned about it, he never would have signed on for the 2004 and 2005 games

I'll actually ask around people "in the know" that can give me some sort "real" reason why the series ended, besides the usual BS spewed that VT "backed out" of a series which they were dominating

Surprisingly the only people crying after the 2005 game was the WVU crowd about how Marcus abused them, but again, if 2003 was such a debacle, then the 04 and 05 games never would have happened


dude, i'm pretty sure you or hokie4 has posted links to TSL threads where people on there were bragging about they emailed the AD at tech and urged him to cut the series off....the discussion there definitely seemed like a consensus that tech ended it.

[SkinsHokieFan]

dude, i'm pretty sure you or hokie4 has posted links to TSL threads where people on there were bragging about they emailed the AD at tech and urged him to cut the series off....the discussion there definitely seemed like a consensus that tech ended it.


There certainly were many many emails after the 2003 game, I am not denying that at all. People were quite angry with what happened there

Contrast to the fact this year that LSU completely owned us in every way but everyone that went down there had a great expierence

I have never read anything from a reputable source indicating exactly what happened, or what the circumstances were besides the "neither team has room in future schedules"

Lots of rumors, innuendos, etc, but nothing ever substantial

[Major Harris]

Lots of rumors, innuendos, etc, but nothing ever substantial


fair enough.

but just to humor me, will you admit that most of the innuendo and rumors seemed to suggest that tech pulled out? :laugh:

[Gator Bait]

the sec is easily the best conference, that's pretty much undisputed here. stick around though, i'm sure hokie4 could come up with creative musings as to why the acc is superior, if given enough motivation.



exhibit A of why you have no clue. they left for money, not because a conference that had one good team in it was a better conference.





exhibit b of why you don't know :pooh:

it's pretty well known that vtech backed out of the series. i don't think shf or hokie4 would dispute that.





exhibit C. why don't you give us the record of Louisville over the last decade.







why don't you let us know exactly how many big east championships vtech won.



one of which wvu beat on new years day last season.




are you 11 or 12?


While in the big east VT won 3 Big East Titles
West Virginia won 2
Miami won 9

So out of thirteen years Miami/VT won the Big east 10 of those 13
****two of the years, VT and Miami shared the title, that is why the math doesn't add up (for you WVU fans out there)

I know all those teams left the Big East for money. The ACC could pay them that money, because w/ the added schools they became the best conference for football/basketball combined. That being the case, they bring in a lot more money for their schools through the NCAA tourny and Bowl games.

WVU leads the all time series between the two teams by six games. 7 of those games came before 1958....that was before most of us were even born.
In the last 15 meetings between the two schools VT won 10 and WVU won 5, I think that is safe to say that is domination

I guess it was ignorant for me to say WVU backed out of the series...because I don't know for sure. Given the numbers of how bad Tech has kicked their *sses in recent years, it just seemed logical at the time!

WVU still has another loss coming there way this season. Hopefully they will play Tech in a Bowl game this year. Tech is way over rated this year and aren't very good in my opinion. But they do have a defense w/ a serviceable offense....and this is all you need to beat WVU!!!!!!

[Major Harris]

While in the big east VT won 3 Big East Titles
West Virginia won 2
Miami won 9

So out of thirteen years Miami/VT won the Big east 10 of those 13
****two of the years, VT and Miami shared the title, that is why the math doesn't add up (for you WVU fans out there)

sorry, my wvu math doesn't allow me to see how 3 titles to 2 titles is overwhelmingly in favor of one school.



(the acc) became the best conference for football/basketball combined.

you really should stop.



WVU leads the all time series between the two teams by six games. 7 of those games came before 1958....that was before most of us were even born.
In the last 15 meetings between the two schools VT won 10 and WVU won 5, I think that is safe to say that is domination

since we're selectively remembering games here, can i throw out the last 2 years of don nehlen and the first year for richrod?

[SkinsHokieFan]

fair enough.

but just to humor me, will you admit that most of the innuendo and rumors seemed to suggest that tech pulled out? :laugh:

Sure, and then when UMD cancelled a few games with WVU it added more "evidence" (for lack of a better word) that VT left the series

[hokie4redskins]

I don't know the facts behind the series ending. But the insinuation that "Tech pulled out" implies that we were scared to play you. Given the fact that we smacked WVU around like little ***** rag dolls the last TWO times we played, this is not logical.

So, let's think about this LOGICALLY for a second. The rivalry between VT and WVU was only getting more and more heated. You'd think it be impossible to hate each other any more than we already did, but each year, the hatred just kept increasing. This is a recipe for disaster.

To truly figure out why the series ended, you have to put yourself in Weaver's shoes. He was calling the shots, not WVU.

He knew his revered and deified HC didn't give a flock about playing WV anymore.

We were now in the ACC.

We NEVER recruited in the state of WV because there is no talent there.

The rivalry was starting to get out of hand.

And given the slugfest of ACC IC games, continuing the series with WVU had zero value, let me repeat, ZERO VALUE to VT.

We had absolutely no incentive whatsoever. I was disappointed when we signed a what, 10 year deal with ECU, but North Carolina is a major pipeline for us with recruits. Especially with Davis returning to UNC, VT needs to keep its presence felt in the Tar Heel state.

Not to mention, we're trying to win a MNC. We generally smack the 'eers around 4 out of 5 times, but that one time they might actually beat us might be the year we'd make a little noise, kinda like when VT ruined WVU's undefeated season by whooping them AT HOME 34-17.

We'll play those type of potential risk games for USC, or LSU, and the limelight that comes from playing teams like that, but we are not going to do that for the GD WVU Mountaineers.

:laugh:

So, if you want to continue thinking VT "pulled out", feel free. But I'll continue laughing at you.

[Major Harris]

so you're saying tech ended the series?

[hokie4redskins]

In my opinion, yes, the 'eers were useless to us. But your definition of "pulling out" is warped, like most crap you spew.

[Major Harris]

In my opinion, yes, the 'eers were useless to us. But your definition of "pulling out" is warped, like most crap you spew.
if you can't see my comments for what they are, i'm sorry.

[PleaseBlitz]

Wow, Sean Glennon is a whiny idiot.

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/vtfootball/wb/131579

Some excerpts:

Glennon, who was demoted in favor of true freshman Tyrod Taylor, said he is "too good to be standing on the sideline." :laugh:

"I hope the coaches realize that I need to be on the field this year," he said. "But if they don't, and at the beginning of next season I know [that], ... I think a lot of programs would be willing to take me." :laugh: :laugh:

"I feel like I'm good enough to play on any team in this country." :rotflmao:

"I really think under ideal circumstances, my arm can match up with any defense in the country." What?! :laugh:

and the best one of all:

"I feel like I have a shot at the next level." :rotflmao: :rotflmao: I hope "the next level" isnt implying the NFL.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Wow, Sean Glennon is a whiny idiot.

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/vtfootball/wb/131579



Yup, he sure said some dumb things right after the demotion. Since then we haven't heard a peep, and to be honest he really has no choice transfer wise, he has to stay at VT next year

But why post a month old article? :whoknows:

[Major Harris]

But why post a month old article? :whoknows:


same reason some people post 3 year old talking points. ;)

[hokie4redskins]

What's Sean Glennon have to do with the Big East sucking donkey balls? Is he transferring to Syracuse?

:whoknows:

[rincewind]

No current BE team has ever beat Utah. That's sad. :(

[SkinsHokieFan]

What the hell has happened to Lewisville this season?

[TheREALJBird]

Damn, another one bites the dust. Good game played by Utah....or perhaps bad game by L'ville

[Major Harris]

Damn, another one bites the dust. Good game played by Utah....or perhaps bad game by L'ville
it's almost difficult to play defense as poorly as louisville manages to do it.

[jbooma]

What the hell has happened to Lewisville this season?


They are in the BE :silly:

[jbooma]

Oh boy the sky is falling USF had a hard time with a bad team and Rutgers lost :silly:

[The Evil Genius]

I still think WVU ends up at the top at the end of the year of the BE. USF loses to ULou and Rutgers...and WVU doesn't lose again.


Big East Midseason Report Card

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3055404


Nosedives by Rutgers and Louisville have fostered a perception that the Big East is down this season.

Not true.

South Florida and Cincinnati have simply replaced Rutgers and Louisville in the AP Top 25 while West Virginia holds steady. Just like at the midpoint last year, the Big East has three teams in the Top 25 and two in the top 10.

Take a look:

Midpoint, 2006: West Virginia No. 5; Louisville No. 7; Rutgers No. 24

Midpoint, 2007: South Florida No. 5; West Virginia No. 8; Cincinnati No. 15

What's more, the Big East boasts three of the nation's 11 unbeaten teams -- South Florida (5-0), Cincinnati (6-0) and UConn (5-0) -- and has two teams (UConn, Rutgers) receiving votes in both polls.

(OK, in the interest of full disclosure, UConn's victories have come against Duke, Temple, Maine, Akron and Pitt, while Rutgers has beaten only Buffalo, Norfolk State and Navy -- but somebody's impressed, right?)

This time last year, the Big East was 22-8 against nonconference Division I-A competition. It is 20-9 this season. This time last year, the league was 1-3 against ranked nonconference opponents. It is 1-0 this season, thanks to South Florida's victory at then-No. 17 Auburn.

Moral of the story: The league is humming along at about the same pace it was in 2006, and is significantly improved from 2005, the year it re-formed after the last of three defectors -- Boston College -- took off for the Atlantic Coast Conference, which is only 5-11 against the Big East since the beginning of last season.

At the midpoint of the 2005 season, Big East teams were 12-12 against nonconference Division I-A opponents and 0-5 against ranked nonconference teams. Critics howled, questioning why the "Big Least" should have an automatic BCS bowl bid.

The howling has subsided, but not all is well.

For starters, the fact that Big East teams have combined to play only one ranked nonconference opponent doesn't exactly speak to aggressive scheduling, though Kentucky and Illinois soon entered the polls after beating Louisville and Syracuse, respectively.

The league also lost some luster when all four Heisman Trophy candidates -- quarterback Brian Brohm of Louisville; backfield stars Steve Slaton and Pat White of West Virginia; and tailback Ray Rice of Rutgers -- saw their campaigns crumble faster than the Buffalo Bills on "Monday Night Football." Not that any has played poorly, mind you, but it's hard to win a Heisman when you lose multiple games (Louisville, Rutgers) or come up small in a big one (White, Slaton vs. South Florida).

Meanwhile, original Big East members Pitt and Syracuse continue to sully the league's reputation with their consistently inept play.

That said, signs points to a wide-open, entertaining conference race with Cincinnati, South Florida and West Virginia as the favorites. Cincinnati coach Brian Kelly views the league schedule as a "marathon," and attrition will be a factor. It's unlikely anyone will emerge unscathed.

We'll see who's standing at the end -- and whether the Big East can possibly match last year's 5-0 bowl record.

Midseason Mayhem
Six weeks into the season, we've learned a lot about the strengths and weaknesses of college football's top teams. But major questions still loom. ESPN.com reviews the first half of the season.


Biggest Surprise
Well, nobody in his right mind predicted South Florida to be ranked No. 5, but we'll get into that in other categories. The biggest surprise was when Syracuse, a 36½-point underdog, traveled south and stunned then-No. 18 Louisville, 38-35. The Orange had not scored more than 20 points in 14 previous Big East games under coach Greg Robinson, but exploded on a Louisville secondary that has more holes than a Wiffle ball.

Biggest Disappointment
Louisville began the season ranked 10th, but raised a bunch of red flags when it allowed 42 points in a victory over Middle Tennessee. Then came a last-minute loss at Kentucky -- thanks to a blown coverage -- followed by the Syracuse debacle and a horrible home loss to Utah. The Cardinals are ranked 115th out of 119 teams in pass efficiency defense. Geez, was Amobi Okoye that good?

Midseason MVP
George Selvie arrived at South Florida as an offensive lineman, but was quickly converted to the defensive side of the ball. Good move. The sophomore defensive end leads the nation in sacks (10.5) and tackles for loss (18). He averages 3.6 tackles for loss per game, nearly a full tackle more than the nearest competitor.

Midseason Coach of the Year

Jim Leavitt, South Florida. Cincinnati's Brian Kelly merits a mention here, but Leavitt's victories over Auburn and West Virginia give him the edge. West Virginia coach Rich Rodriguez had all offseason to try to figure out a Bulls defense that stifled his spread option attack last November. He couldn't do it. Leavitt and his staff again found a way to bottle up West Virginia's stars and suddenly find themselves in the national championship discussion. Not bad for a program that just celebrated its 11th birthday.

Bowl Bound
South Florida, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Rutgers, Connecticut

[EersSkins05]

I don't know the facts behind the series ending. But the insinuation that "Tech pulled out" implies that we were scared to play you. Given the fact that we smacked WVU around like little ***** rag dolls the last TWO times we played, this is not logical.

So, let's think about this LOGICALLY for a second. The rivalry between VT and WVU was only getting more and more heated. You'd think it be impossible to hate each other any more than we already did, but each year, the hatred just kept increasing. This is a recipe for disaster....

You are actually partially right about the reasoning for stopping the series. Beamer hated going to Morgantown, hated his own fans behavior in Blacksburg during the games. That was part of the reason for the switch. The rest of your post is sheer nonsense, though.


And given the slugfest of ACC IC games, continuing the series with WVU had zero value, let me repeat, ZERO VALUE to VT.

We had absolutely no incentive whatsoever. I was disappointed when we signed a what, 10 year deal with ECU, but North Carolina is a major pipeline for us with recruits. Especially with Davis returning to UNC, VT needs to keep its presence felt in the Tar Heel state.

Not to mention, we're trying to win a MNC. We generally smack the 'eers around 4 out of 5 times, but that one time they might actually beat us might be the year we'd make a little noise, kinda like when VT ruined WVU's undefeated season by whooping them AT HOME 34-17.

We'll play those type of potential risk games for USC, or LSU, and the limelight that comes from playing teams like that, but we are not going to do that for the GD WVU Mountaineers.

:laugh:

So, if you want to continue thinking VT "pulled out", feel free. But I'll continue laughing at you.

Let's take your (flawed) logic and show you how stupid this is.

Premise A: We beat the Mountaineers 4/5 times.
Premise B: We want to play for the championship!
Premise C: Playing the Mountaineers hurts our chances at a championship.

Well, considering that WVU has finished the past two seasons ranked in the top 10 (ahead of VT each time), I would think VT would be jumping all over the chance to play WVU if they beat them as routinely as you suggest... :laugh:

Not to mention the fact that the games made a tremendous amount of money for both teams and their communities, as every hotel in and around both towns was booked a year in advance, and surrounding businesses received a huge boom from the traveling fanbases of both teams.

By the way, as a side note, "slugfest" and "ACC in conference games" is not a phrase heard around the college football landscape in quite some time... haha

[HokieJ]

They stopped the series because the fans of both schools could not behave when we played. Everything I have read is that Weaver and WVU's AD mutually agreed to end it. After the night game in Morgantown in 2003, which was off the scale, they dictated to ESPN to make the 2005 game a day game.

It gives VT the chance to branch out and play some other schools across the country, Weaver was never going to schedule another top 20 school on top of WVU in the same season, so we get Nebraska, Ohio State, K State etc the next 6-8 years.

[hokie4redskins]

Yeah, the "#2" team in ALL the land just got worked by.........wait for it.........RUTSgers!!!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Big East sucks a fat one.

[hokie4redskins]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/10/19/rutgers.usf/index.html

Perfect storm
Rutgers' win ends USF's run, deals blow to Big East
Posted: Friday October 19, 2007 2:30AM; Updated: Friday October 19, 2007 2:30AM

PISCATAWAY, N.J. -- They came from near (New York Giants stars Michael Strahan, New York Mets stud David Wright) and far (Fiesta Bowl CEO John Junker, Orange Bowl CEO Eric Poms), all sharing a common curiosity. "It's a chance to see the No. 2 team in the country live!" a giddy press-box spectator exclaimed into his cell-phone shortly before kickoff.

In front of a stadium-record 44,267 spectators and a national-television audience, South Florida and Rutgers staged yet another Big East Thursday-night thriller, complete with blocked kicks and fake field goals, a Heisman-like running performance by Rutgers' Ray Rice and some Tebow-like playmaking by USF's Matt Grothe. Only after surviving an ill-timed Rice fumble and stuffing the Bulls on two last-minute possessions did the Scarlet Knights procure a 30-27 victory.

As the final seconds ticked away on college football's latest top-five "upset," Rutgers students flooded the field just as they had 11 months earlier after beating Louisville.

For the second straight year, the Scarlet Knights ended one of their conference foe's dreams of an undefeated season. In all probability, they also assured their conference's irrelevance for the rest of this 2007 season. :laugh:

It doesn't have to be that way. It probably shouldn't be that way. But such is life for the BCS' new kid on the block -- particularly when its last remaining hope for perfection was itself an infant.

When you're an LSU or Oklahoma, you can lose a tough conference road game, brush it off and return to the top five within a couple weeks as if it never happened. When you're USF, and you lose a tough conference road game just four days after an already skeptical set of voters tabbed you the No. 2 team in the country almost as an obligation, you can expect the court of public opinion to be somewhat less merciful.

"We had a chip on our shoulders tonight," said USF cornerback Trae Williams. "We wanted to prove to the nation that we were deserving of the ranking. Obviously, we didn't get it done tonight."

No, they did not, and the way the game played out, the Bulls were extremely fortunate to even be in it in the final minute. After going 14 straight games without allowing a 100-yard rusher, Rice, their longtime nemesis, reached the three-digit mark two plays into the third quarter on his way to a 39-carry, 181-yard night. Meanwhile, Rutgers' defense suffocated Grothe's receivers and, after losing right tackle Walter Walker to injury, eventually Grothe himself. The normally elusive quarterback (he gained 118 rushing yards on the night) wound up the victim of seven sacks (dropping his net yardage to 58), including three on two failed last-ditch possessions, both of which started at midfield or closer.

And then there was the Bulls' special teams. Simply put, they were not special. They allowed a fake field goal. A fake punt. They missed one field-goal attempt and had another one blocked. They did have a field-goal block of their own, but even that took something of a Keystone Cops turn when first cornerback Mike Jenkins, then linebacker Tyrone McKenzie appeared to purposely "scoop" the ball forward on the return. Replay officials agreed, overturning what had been deemed a touchdown for Williams by the refs on the field.

Combine all those miscues with all those big Rice runs and all those big Rutgers defensive plays, and what do you get? Another top-five upset -- the sixth this season by an unranked opponent.

"Tonight," said Williams, "they [the Scarlet Knights] were better."

Last Saturday night, Kentucky was better than LSU, Oregon State better than Cal. The week before that, Stanford was better than USC.

There's one major difference, however, between those upsets and this one: Unlike with USF, they weren't the most visible games ever played by the victims. They did not elicit e-mails berating a voter for "Buying the Bull" by "voting your precious USF" No. 1 last week (both phrases taken from actual e-mails this voter received within an hour of the game ending).

Such is the still fragile state of the rebuilt Big East. When Kentucky beats LSU, it's written off as a near-inevitability in the rough-and-tumble SEC. When Rutgers beats USF -- just a couple weeks after losing to then-undefeated Cincinnati, which itself turned around and lost to Louisville -- it's an indictment against both program and conference.

"Our problem is, we're a young league, and when we beat each other up, people will discredit us," Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese said Thursday night. "The SEC has a long, upstanding tradition, and people are starting to understand how tough it is to get through that league undefeated. I think it's become difficult to get through our league undefeated, and it's only going to get more difficult."

Make no mistake, USF deserves any knocks it will get for its performance Thursday night. Playing in their first-ever game as a top-five team, with the outcome on the line, the Bulls had two gift-wrapped opportunities to tie or win at the end. They produced minus-32 yards.

The commissioner, however, has a valid point about the increasing difficulty in his league. Of the six BCS conferences, there are only two with no undefeated teams remaining -- the Big East and the SEC. There have been eight league games contested in the Big East this season. They have produced seven different winners.

"There are no days off in this league," said Rutgers' Rice. "Everybody talks about how competitive the SEC is, but we're getting to the point where we're just about as competitive. Every team comes to play, and they come right at you."

Just as he had in the days since Sunday's BCS standings release, USF coach Jim Leavitt refused to entertain any discussion of rankings or national titles in the aftermath of Thursday night's defeat.

Asked if he'd be disappointed if the same, previously generous voters from last week sent the Bulls plummeting down the polls this week, the only coach in USF history replied, "Our goal has never been rankings. Our goal is winning the Big East, and it still is. We took a hit tonight, for sure. You're not going to win the Big East with two losses, but you might with only one."

That at least seems a given, considering UConn is the only team yet to suffer a league loss (the Huskies have only played one such game -- against Pittsburgh). We can also say with 100 percent certainty that one of the league's teams, whichever wins the championship, will end its season in one of the five BCS bowls. Maybe the Bulls will recover and win out. Maybe it will be 5-1 West Virginia. Maybe 5-2 Rutgers, largely discounted following consecutive home losses to Maryland and Cincinnati, will follow up Thursday's triumph with another "upset" here next weekend against the Mountaineers.

Whatever the case may be, however, it appears that the conference, just as it did a year ago, has beaten itself out of a chance at the national title. West Virginia, ninth in last week's BCS standings, may well be the league's highest-ranked team next Sunday -- and the Mountaineers previously lost to USF.

"I really don't know what's going to happen," said Williams. "We've just got to leave it up to the polls and the computers."

That probably wasn't the best idea, Trae. Those polls and computers can be awfully harsh about losses to Rutgers.

If only you'd lost instead to Kentucky.

[PleaseBlitz]

:laugh:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4319606&postcount=1026

[PleaseBlitz]

Anyways, that game is the reason ESPN loves the Big East. Exciting-as-hell games on weeknights when everyone is watching. That game had everything.

[jbooma]

Anyways, that game is the reason ESPN loves the Big East. Exciting-as-hell games on weeknights when everyone is watching. That game had everything.

And they know the higher ranked team would lose :laugh: :laugh:

[rincewind]

I don't understand this whole 'the Big East is overrated/sucks' thing. I kind of look at them as the new kids on the block that are going through some growing pains. They had a little too much praise lumped on them this year - but compared to where people thought they'd be as little as two years ago, they are UNIVERSES ahead of schedule and they will only get better.

[WARLORD1863]

Haven't you guys said the same old crap for the longest time about which conference is better? I mean do you guys really find this worthy of discussion over and over and over and over?

I'm excited about watching some damn football. Conference is entirely irrelevent when it comes to BCS standings and ultimately bowl game invites. What's the point of caring about how good the conference is, in a general non-BCS related arguement? I mean really. Do you really care that much about how many teams in your conference suck less than the next conference? There's no point to it.

[Major Harris]

Haven't you guys said the same old crap for the longest time about which conference is better? I mean do you guys really find this worthy of discussion over and over and over and over?


yes, hokie4 is obsessed. this is obvious.

[PleaseBlitz]

Haven't you guys said the same old crap for the longest time about which conference is better? I mean do you guys really find this worthy of discussion over and over and over and over?

I'm excited about watching some damn football. Conference is entirely irrelevent when it comes to BCS standings and ultimately bowl game invites. What's the point of caring about how good the conference is, in a general non-BCS related arguement? I mean really. Do you really care that much about how many teams in your conference suck less than the next conference? There's no point to it.


WVU is going to kick the **** out of Rutgers this week. :)

[The Evil Genius]

I hope so. Teel isn't 100%, so the D better focus on Rice most of the time.

What scares me is that they beat Rutgers and then find a way to lose to ULou.

[hokie4redskins]

Welp, it seems the pundits are finally coming around to reality, at least regarding the Big East. Bringin' up the rear!!!

:laugh:

6. Big East

Last rank: 6

The skinny: As colleague Stewart Mandel pointed out, South Florida's loss puts the Big East out of the national picture, at least until the next rash of upsets. South Florida had the stage to itself as the No. 2 team in the nation and came up short against twice-beaten Rutgers. The Bulls did not play their best game, and as a consequence, the perception of the whole league will suffer. Connecticut's ugly win over Louisville was another non-Saturday national telecast, and the biggest play of the game occurred when a UConn punt returner waved for a fair catch, caught the ball and then ran for a touchdown as the Louisville defense stopped. Not exactly what you're looking for out of your national exposure.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/bill_trocchi/10/24/conference.rankings/1.html

[Major Harris]

Welp, it seems the pundits are finally coming around to reality, at least regarding the Big East. Bringin' up the rear!!!

:laugh:

6. Big East

Last rank: 6

The skinny: As colleague Stewart Mandel pointed out, South Florida's loss puts the Big East out of the national picture, at least until the next rash of upsets. South Florida had the stage to itself as the No. 2 team in the nation and came up short against twice-beaten Rutgers. The Bulls did not play their best game, and as a consequence, the perception of the whole league will suffer. Connecticut's ugly win over Louisville was another non-Saturday national telecast, and the biggest play of the game occurred when a UConn punt returner waved for a fair catch, caught the ball and then ran for a touchdown as the Louisville defense stopped. Not exactly what you're looking for out of your national exposure.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/bill_trocchi/10/24/conference.rankings/1.html


so, SI is a credible source now?

[Merlin Emrys]

Welp, it seems the pundits are finally coming around to reality, at least regarding the Big East. Bringin' up the rear!!!

:laugh:

6. Big East

Last rank: 6



And the ACC is a close 7th, affirmed tonight by BC's putrid win over VT. LSU should be #2. LSU thumped the Hokies, and BC only got by Tech b/C its offense is so amazingly lame.

Seriously, the Big East may be week, but the ACC is just as lame. You guys are basically arguing over the bottom rung of the ladder. Give it up.

[LeesburgSkinFan]

ACC also stands for "acutely compromised conference"

http://cfn.scout.com/2/694792.html


Make no mistake (or perhaps, one should say, "Make many mistakes"): this was a poorly-played football game with few impact players and precious little potency from either offensive unit. For a matchup between No. 2 and No. 8, this contest lacked the punch and pizazz worthy of a five-star showdown. The night's events in Lane Stadium confirmed that the ACC is an emasculated and hollowed-out conference that can't offer the kind of firepower needed to stay with tough teams from other conferences. If an impotent Virginia Tech team--yeah, the same one that LSU crushed in early September--could shut out and smother BC for 57 minutes and change, that alone should tell you how strong this Boston College club is on a larger level. ACC stands for "acutely compromised conference" after a game like this.

[PleaseBlitz]

Yeah, BC did not impress. Ryan was great at the end, but they have no oline, no running game, and nothing impressive on defense. If they win the ACCCG and go to a BCS game, they are going to get shat on.

[The Evil Genius]

Yeah, BC did not impress. Ryan was great at the end, but they have no oline, no running game, and nothing impressive on defense. If they win the ACCCG and go to a BCS game, they are going to get shat on.


Did you know that Notre Dame scored more points against BC than VPI did?

So did Wake, NC State, Army, UMass, and Bowling Green.

:laugh:

[jbooma]

I guess USF is no longer a "power house" team, they are getting spanked 38-20 right now by Cincy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LeesburgSkinFan]

I guess USF is no longer a "power house" team, they are getting spanked 38-20 right now by Cincy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And supposed "powerhouse" Boston College is about to lose to Florida State. Not your father's Florida State, either.

[Spartacus87]

And supposed "powerhouse" Boston College is about to lose to Florida State. Not your father's Florida State, either. And yet also a Florida State that dominated a good Alabama team at a neutral site. Story of FSU the past couple years- play up to good competition, and down to the lesser teams.

Unfortunately for BC tonight they saw the good FSU, the kind that plays like a Top 20 team should. I think having Jimbo on the field now makes a big difference for the offense too.

[hokie4redskins]

And now the Big East officially has two teams in the Top 25. The only one in the top 10 got spanked by an unranked team. Once UCONN gets exposed, expect one top 25 ranking.

[PleaseBlitz]

And now the Big East officially has two teams in the Top 25. The only one in the top 10 got spanked by an unranked team. Once UCONN gets exposed, expect one top 25 ranking.

Yeah, but its the one that counts. :D

[The Evil Genius]

If losing by 8 is a spanking, what is losing by 40+?

[PleaseBlitz]

If losing by 8 is a spanking, what is losing by 40+?

I thought he was talking about Boston College? :whoknows:

[hokie4redskins]

If losing by 8 is a spanking, what is losing by 40+?

Yep, VT got absolutely spanked by LSU. But they're winning the MNC. Where's USF?

[PleaseBlitz]

Yep, VT got absolutely spanked by LSU. But they're winning the MNC. Where's USF?

In Tampa?

[hokie4redskins]

Wow, ever consider running for public office?

:thumbsup:

[TheJoe1013]

In Tampa?

I'm glad you bring this up. I am not knocking the Big East at all when I say this, but more so USF....

but in what reality is Tampa Bay geographically Southern Florida? West? Sure!! South? uhhh what? How did this come to be? My only guess is too much time in the sun and too much drinking.

[Gator Bait]

what does the "M" in MNC stand for?

[The Evil Genius]

what does the "M" in MNC stand for?

Mythical

[hokie4redskins]

Welp, a few imbeciles gave no love to the ACC, but the majority has seen the light. People are going to start seeing the Big East for the fraud it is.

Gary Danielson, CBS Sports

First Tier: SEC, Pac-10
Second Tier: Big 12, Big Ten, ACC
Third Tier: Big East

Spencer Tillman, CBS Sports

1. SEC
2. ACC
3. Pac-10
4. Big 12
5. Big Ten
6. Big East

The combined BCS conference rankings of eight experts:

Conference Points
1. SEC (8) 48
2. Pac-10 36
3. Big 12 31
4. ACC 20
5. Big Ten 17
6. Big East 16

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/bill_trocchi/11/07/conference.rankings/index.html

[cjcdaman]

The combined BCS conference rankings of eight experts:


Who makes them experts? The people who don't know enough about football to have to listen to what they say?

[hokie4redskins]

You're just bitter because all of them put the Big 10 at the bottom too.

[cjcdaman]

You're just bitter because all of them put the Big 10 at the bottom too.


No, and just for the record, that was not meant to be directed toward you. I'm simply saying if you are a fan of football and pay attention to it, there is no reason why you have to listen to "experts" paid to give their opinion.

And, I don't know why you get so pumped up about conference ratings. I care about ONE team in the Big Ten.

[Gator Bait]

No, and just for the record, that was not meant to be directed toward you. I'm simply saying if you are a fan of football and pay attention to it, there is no reason why you have to listen to "experts" paid to give their opinion.

And, I don't know why you get so pumped up about conference ratings. I care about ONE team in the Big Ten.

I'm gonna have to side w/ cjcdaman on this one. I can't stand it when they call these guys experts. Keyshawn & M. Irvin had jobs at ESPN, and they were far from experts.

and then there is the one I can't stand the most.....Mel Kiper!!!!

[Spartacus87]

And, I don't know why you get so pumped up about conference ratings. I care about ONE team in the Big Ten. I don't get it either, but that seems to be the hot topic of discussion in this forum. Do I like seeing other ACC teams besides FSU do well in bowls? Sure, but I don't really fret if they don't. I couldn't care less how the ACC is ranked in some meaningless list, or how it compares to the Big East or Big Ten in a message board debate. I really only just care about whether or not FSU is winning games and recruiting well.

[jbooma]

Those claiming the Big 10 sucks this year remember they may have up to 10 teams in the bowls, so not too shabby :) how many will the Big Least have :silly: