Nnamdi Asomugha

[method man]

I have a feeling this guy is going to be Shawn's replacement in FA. He is big, has excellent athleticism, and is an underrated player. I believe he was a Pro Bowl alternate last year. He has all the tools to be a Gregg Williams corner and will not cost as much as Samuel.

[TheGift]

I think the Raiders will re-sign him. But if not, I would like him to be here as well.

[[[ghost]]]

I've heard he'll want Nate Clements money. He has been playing sensational the past two seasons. But I don't think he'll end up being a FA. Either franchise, or just resign. Maybe not resign, cus he's good enough to help a great team win.

If Samuel going to be a FA next year? I know he was franchised, but did his new deal stipulate that they can't franchise him again next year?

[The_Grim_Reaper]

I think the Raiders will re-sign him. But if not, I would like him to be here as well.

Same here a 6'2 CB will do wonders for our defense.

[Bantu]

Asomugha is actually an extremely good and underrated CB. Raider games don't get a lot of national attention so we don't get to see how good it is. There are whispers around the league that he is the guy that is behind Champ Bailey in terms of the best corner in the NFL.

He deserves top dollar and I think it would be a wise move for us to sign him. Great corners don't grow on trees or come around often. Free agents CB's tend do just fine when playing for new teams so I don't think JG/Snyder/GW would pass on him if we do have a chance to sign him.

[Loxley]

]']I've heard he'll want Nate Clements money. He has been playing sensational the past two seasons. But I don't think he'll end up being a FA. Either franchise, or just resign. Maybe not resign, cus he's good enough to help a great team win.

If Samuel going to be a FA next year? I know he was franchised, but did his new deal stipulate that they can't franchise him again next year?

I think he got an agreement similar to the one Lance Briggs got from the Bears.

[taylorcoreskin]

They're going to keep him. He's on their apparent no trade list.

[TotalRecall]

I have a feeling this guy is going to be Shawn's replacement in FA. He is big, has excellent athleticism, and is an underrated player. I believe he was a Pro Bowl alternate last year. He has all the tools to be a Gregg Williams corner and will not cost as much as Samuel.


Nnamdi Asomugha? Never heard of him. Hopefully, they will be looking to replace Rogers, instead of Springs.

[[[ghost]]]

Nnamdi Asomugha? Never heard of him. Hopefully, they will be looking to replace Rogers, instead of Springs.

:doh:

You sound just like 90% of NFL "Fans".

[Loxley]

They're going to keep him. He's on their apparent no trade list.

Guys like young LBs Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard, DE Derrick Burgess and CB Namdi Asogogua are off limits but as the team explained, they're willing to listen to offers for the rest. Among the trade bait are the team's No. 1 pick from last year Michael Huff and the previous year's No. 1 CB Fabien Washington.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7282072

[SeattleSkinsFan]

Nnamdi Asomugha? Never heard of him.

It's an anagram.

[method man]

Guys like young LBs Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard, DE Derrick Burgess and CB Namdi Asogogua are off limits but as the team explained, they're willing to listen to offers for the rest. Among the trade bait are the team's No. 1 pick from last year Michael Huff and the previous year's No. 1 CB Fabien Washington.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7282072

I would closely watch that situation unfold next year in the offseason. I know for sure it's going to be a messy fight. The Raiders, all of a sudden, have gotten stingy and are not going to pay Asomugha the money he seeks. Asomugha will get franchised and, at that point, I'd offer Springs (fits the Raiders mold of old veteran player) and a 2nd round pick. We, however, need to keep that no. 1 pick to get ourselves that gamechanging DL that we so desperately need.

[Warhead36]

If top notch CBs were so important for GW's scheme, makes me wonder why we didn't just keep the one we had. You know...Champ Bailey...

*sigh* this FO will never learn

[skinsn24]

the guy is money, sign him up.

[TheGift]

If top notch CBs were so important for GW's scheme, makes me wonder why we didn't just keep the one we had. You know...Champ Bailey...

*sigh* this FO will never learn

Champ didn't want to be here anymore so what was the use in keeping him?

[John Madden]

It's pretty early in the season to start talking about free agency. But Asomugha would be a huge acquisition, both in talent and contract. However, other posts are correct. Odds are Oakland will franchise him or shop his rights to a team that'll take him to the bank.

Chicago will have its hands full with resigning Briggs, Tillman and Vasher. So there's a good chance one of them will hit the market. As we've learned in years past, you can't buy a winning team. Let's hope the Skins maximize their potential this season, and then address any depth or replacements as needed when all is said and done. :2cents:

[Siven]

Champ didn't want to be here anymore so what was the use in keeping him?

People just can't wrap their heads around that fact. Champ didn't want to be hear regardless of how much we paid him.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Nnamdi Asomugha? Never heard of him.

The OP banged his forehead against the keyboard, and started a thread about it.

[Genghis Khan]

It's pretty early in the season to start talking about free agency. But Asomugha would be a huge acquisition, both in talent and contract. However, other posts are correct. Odds are Oakland will franchise him or shop his rights to a team that'll take him to the bank.

Chicago will have its hands full with resigning Briggs, Tillman and Vasher. So there's a good chance one of them will hit the market. As we've learned in years past, you can't buy a winning team. Let's hope the Skins maximize their potential this season, and then address any depth or replacements as needed when all is said and done. :2cents:

The bears already re-signed both Tillman and Vasher just not briggs.

[skin1106]

Yes, he is a great player. However, the last time we played the Raiders this guy hit my boy Mike Sellers from behing right in the RIBS.
I remember because I was there!

On the next play mike gets him back and we get a penalty. Also,
I remember hearing somewhere were mike said men don’t hit from behind, but most importantly he will REMEMBER Asomugha's #.
I would hate for him to be on this team for that reason…
BIG MIKE WILL KILL HIM :cheers:

[method man]

Yes, he is a great player. However, the last time we played the Raiders this guy hit my boy Mike Sellers from behing right in the RIBS.
I remember because I was there!

On the next play mike gets him back and we get a penalty. Also,
I remember hearing somewhere were mike said men don’t hit from behind, but most importantly he will REMEMBER Asomugha's #.
I would hate for him to be on this team for that reason…
BIG MIKE WILL KILL HIM :cheers:

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Asomugha. I think it was 2 random scrubs.

[skin1106]

I know because i was there with my Raider friend!

It was on a special teams play and Right from behind!

I may not remember the exact play, but i remember the player #21.

[REEGSKINS]

the raiders said after they were done signing russell they wanted to start working on this guy. i would love to get him here though.

[onnie007]

Nnamdi is a great character guy as well as an exceptional corner. I would love to see him a Washington Redskin but I'm not sure we will be able to afford him.

[dachozenone]

From ESPN

2007 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 78 | Key (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/scouts/news/story?id=2996209)
Alert: None

Comment: Asomugha has excellent size to go along with top-end speed. His foot quickness and agility are adequate but he has a little stiffness in his hips and knees. He is better from a bump-and run-alignment where he can trail the receiver as opposed to pedaling and trying to extend the cushion, then opening his hips to get out of the pedal and close on the ball. He looks a bit tight in transition and often loses a step on the receiver, but has enough explosive quickness and speed to make up the difference. He struggles a bit from man-off as he is not yet good at route recognition or reading the quarterbacks eyes and getting a jump on the ball. He is strong and has long arms that allow him to jam receivers or re-route them when he is able to get a hand on them. He is a strong tackler and is not afraid to come up and force the run. Last season was a breakout for Asomugha as he came up with eight interceptions after being shutout his first three years in the league, and though he has come a long way in terms of playing the ball he is still a work in progress.

[chaught76]

As long as he wouldn't cost any draft picks, sure why not.

We need to start thinking about bringing in our future DL and OL through the draft in the off-season.

Aw krap, why am I talking about off-season stuff already?
We got a Bowl game to win. (http://www.gotwavs.com/php/sounds/?id=gog&media=WAVS&type=Movies&movie=Waterboy&quote=wontheburbonbowl.txt&file=wontheburbonbowl.wav)

[terpfan]

He will get big money.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Asomugha and Fabien Washington are easily the most underrated corner tandem in the league.

[method man]

As long as he wouldn't cost any draft picks, sure why not.

We need to start thinking about bringing in our future DL and OL through the draft in the off-season.

Aw krap, why am I talking about off-season stuff already?
We got a Bowl game to win. (http://www.gotwavs.com/php/sounds/?id=gog&media=WAVS&type=Movies&movie=Waterboy&quote=wontheburbonbowl.txt&file=wontheburbonbowl.wav)

Exactly man. I believe we should get our DLs and OLs through the draft and get everyone else we need through FA (like CBs, WRs [Bryant Johnson], and safeties).

[method man]

What do you guys we can get for Springs through a trade? I remember reading that teams were offering a Day 1 pick for him. I feel that if he can stay healthy this season and be decent, he will still be able to draw a Day 1 pick.

[TotalRecall]

]']:doh:

You sound just like 90% of NFL "Fans".

It's good to know that I'm not in the 10% that doesn't want to cut loose horrible players.

[jrockster21]

Champ didn't want to be here anymore so what was the use in keeping him?


People just can't wrap their heads around that fact. Champ didn't want to be hear regardless of how much we paid him.

To be fair, Briggs was "never going to play another snap in Chicago" either.

[HeHateMe]

Can't see Oaktown letting him walk.

He's been a standout for their young and up and coming defense.

He'll be inked long-term by Oakland before he hits the market.

[D'Pablo]

There is no doubt in my mind that we will sign a big FA corner and draft a couple of DEs and O-linemen in this upcoming offseason.

[mi6]

Rogers is a JOKE! This guy from the Raiders is the REAL deal. Seen him play on the W. Coast and he is a best. Good size, great instincts, decent speed, and sure tackler.

[dposton]

People are talking about the offseason,already? Well, that is my hobby. I am always tinkering with the Redskins roster as if I am the general manager. Let's talk next season and potential improvements.

We need two new back up quarterbacks. Suggestions

We need to keep Clinton and Sellers, give Mason a chance. Who else, choose 2.

We need WR's. There is mention that Larry Fitzgerald will be available. I say get him if we can. Who else do we add to this corp, especially since BL and JT probably won't be here.

Tight End Yeah Chris. Who will becoming that dominant blocking tight end so that Cooley can be utilized much like JG1 used Clint Didier or Al Saunders used Tony Gonzalez. Who remembers Rypien to Didier with the cross the field bomb that was always successful in Gibbs1?

Offensive Line- Resign Whittacker. It seems Bugel was high on him before injury. Go after Jared Gaither. These two signings alongs with Stephon Heyer along with the veterans gives us experience, youth and depth on the OL.

On the DL draft Calais Campbell #1. Cut Phillip Daniels and leave the rest of the line as it is.

At LB - HB, Rocky, London and Marcus sound good to me. Who else do we need? Certainly not Briggs. Not now!!!!

At corner, I agree that we go after Asomaghua. But we still need another CB. I am not comfortable with Carlos. Trade the entire secondary, if necessary to get Asomaghua and another CB. It could be Fabian Washington of the Raiders, D. Hall of Atlanta (yeah, I read the other post, but he is better than Carlos right now). I know there are character issues, but if he is rehabilitated, I would even say give Pacman a try instead of counting on Carlos. It is not Pacman's football talent we are leery of, it is his personal life. Keep Torrence and Eubanks as back ups. We would have the fastest DB in the league.

Safety? Sean and LaRon. Nuf said. Back them up with Prioleau and switch Byron Westbrook to safety.

Shaun Suisham and Derrick Frost are doing great. Leave them alone. But can anyone tell me why no one will go near Vanderjaght. Is it because of the comments he made about Dungy and Peyton or is it something else?

What do you think?

[DirtySkin21]

If top notch CBs were so important for GW's scheme, makes me wonder why we didn't just keep the one we had. You know...Champ Bailey...

*sigh* this FO will never learn


good lord its been over 4 years ago since champ has been gone and you still poner why he left?? Well i guess since you are probably too young to even remember caring but BAILEY WANTED OUT.

theres no way we could have kept him so our "FO that never learns" actually got a great deal and an awesome running back out of he deal.


tighten up

[DirtySkin21]

and DPOSTON, we let Mason go.


Mason was a cowboys fan anyways

[DirtySkin21]

and swtich byron westbrook to safety?



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...


no.

[Enter Apotheosis]

dposton has been playing too much Madden.

[squatch66]

The OP banged his forehead against the keyboard, and started a thread about it.

:laugh:


What do you guys we can get for Springs through a trade? I remember reading that teams were offering a Day 1 pick for him. I feel that if he can stay healthy this season and be decent, he will still be able to draw a Day 1 pick.

umm... no. i think everyone in the league knows that this is springs' last year in dc. we will probably try to shop him around but why would anyone offer anything for him when they could just wait until we cut him.

[DirtySkin21]

spring wont get cut, sorry.


someone will offer something for him if we shop him. if not, we keep him but you dont cut a player of his caliber

[Seabee1973]

what we should have done is saved a few draft picks and targeted one we thought would be a first rounder when he fell into the bottom of the second or top of the third round snag him up

[Chump Bailey]

Not before a DE.

[Veretax]

I would closely watch that situation unfold next year in the offseason. I know for sure it's going to be a messy fight. The Raiders, all of a sudden, have gotten stingy and are not going to pay Asomugha the money he seeks. Asomugha will get franchised and, at that point, I'd offer Springs (fits the Raiders mold of old veteran player) and a 2nd round pick. We, however, need to keep that no. 1 pick to get ourselves that gamechanging DL that we so desperately need.

I'm not sure the raiders would even look at springs. The guy is old and the raiders shook off a LOT of their age this past year.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Rogers is a JOKE! This guy from the Raiders is the REAL deal. Seen him play on the W. Coast and he is a best. Good size, great instincts, decent speed, and sure tackler.

2-3 years ago people were saying the same things about Asomougha as you are about Rogers...

[JRAB]

Champ didn't want to be here anymore so what was the use in keeping him?


That was because we showed the respect and the money to Lavar. He would have been very happy to stay if we would have shown him the money and shown that we wanted to keep him like we did Lavar.

Boy did they choose wrong on that. :doh:

I said then that shutdown corners simply make a bigger impact on a 4-3 defense than LB's do. I could see if we ran a 3-4 and Lavar was our pressure player... but we didn't and he wasn't. All we needed at OLB was someone like McIntosh who is athletic and can run.

Instead, Snyder decided he was going to resign Lavar and let Bailey go.

A for Asomugha... there's no way Oakland lets him get away.

As for signing big free agents... next year will be just like this year or worse for us signing anyone. The cap is expected to be $116 million next year and our current roster without any draft picks should be right around $120 million.

Most teams are at around $90 million for next year. We aren't going to have the $$ to compete for anyone who'd commanding a lot of attention - even with our normal restructuring stage. It'll be more guys like Smoot and Stoutmire for us next year.

[[[ghost]]]

That was because we showed the respect and the money to Lavar. He would have been very happy to stay if we would have shown him the money and shown that we wanted to keep him like we did Lavar.

Boy did they choose wrong on that. :doh:



:doh:

Champ didn't want to leave because he wasn't going to get paid, he was tired of DC.

Lavar wanted to stay in DC. At least, until the tensions arose.

We franchised Champ because he wasn't going to stay here under any circumstances. At least we traded for one fo teh best RBs in the league. Too bad we gave up a second though.

[[[ghost]]]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Asomugha. I think it was 2 random scrubs.

Yea, it was a ST play. The sad thing is, they started High-5ing each other as Sellers laid there on the ground, motionless.

No wonder everybody hates them. They suck as a team, and as a people.

[D-Day]

We are actually sitting at around 128 mil in cap commitments next year. Here is a conservative estimate of what will be done.

We have 10.32 mil in bonus money to be paid. Of that we will save at a minimum of 75% that amount by prorating it. We are at 120 mil before cuts and restructures.

Restructures prime (other possibles do exist such as pete kendall an Todd wade)

Washington - 4.425
Thomas - 5.380
Samuels - 4.5
Moss - 3.25
Portis - 5.049
Rabach - 2.750
jansen - 4.98
Rabach - 4.2

So if we did restructure these with extremely conservative 50% savings.
(Most likely around 70% savings would be realized = 24 mil saved)

But at 50% savings = 17.267 savings which puts us at around 103 mil

Most likely cuts
Daniels - Reg cut saves 3 mil if before his roster bonus is paid.
Brunnel - Reg cut saves 3.1 mil
Springs - Reg cut saves 2.5 mil

savings puts us at 8.6 mil more in savings for a cap number of 94 mil or 22 mil under with 42 players under contract with.

Two of those to sign are the punter and kicker.

We are fine.

BTW for ****s and giggles.

If all that played out

Cut BL = 6.332 in outstanding bonus money, he is due 1.8 in some type of bonus money this year. So if that is unpaid then it will cost us 3.9 mil to cut him next year as a regular cut.

If that bonus is guaranteed then it will cost us 5.7 mil to cut him but then we would just June 1st him.

(BL's number s are cost over his current cap charge).

BYE BYE BL, better start catching the damn ball, or we could try to actually throw it him :doh:

So conservatively we can easily be at 99 mil with 12 players and 17 mil to sign. Two of those will be relatively cheap draft picks (2nd and 3rd rounder) and our first will most likely at most be in the middle of the round.

Plenty of cap space and this is actually the best situation we have been in, in quite some time. For instance as of right now we only have 1.854 mil in dead cap next year, compared to 9.058 this year.

[jeronimobrat]

]']:doh:

Champ didn't want to leave because he wasn't going to get paid, he was tired of DC.

Lavar wanted to stay in DC. At least, until the tensions arose.

We franchised Champ because he wasn't going to stay here under any circumstances. At least we traded for one fo teh best RBs in the league. Too bad we gave up a second though.

Portis is no longer an elite back, so please shy away from that discussion.

[Loxley]

Nice research! Thank you for the post.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Portis is no longer an elite back, so please shy away from that discussion.

yeah he got hurt last year, so he's not elite anymore :rolleyes: (a little bit of sarcasm there)

he ran for over 1500 yards the year before last. When he's healthy he's elite, last season was the 1st season that he missed a signifigcant amount of time.

Talk about what have you done for me lately. By the way he's on pace for 16 touchdowns this year.

[DCranon21]

He's on that no-trade list the Raiders have. But I think Mike Huff is on that list(and no they are not going after him either).

[BuryYourDuke]

Long time till free agency boys...

[Flycoach]

With our luck, he'll come here and be another Deon Sanders....:doh:

[SkinsHokieFan]

]']:doh:

Champ didn't want to leave because he wasn't going to get paid, he was tired of DC.

Lavar wanted to stay in DC. At least, until the tensions arose.

We franchised Champ because he wasn't going to stay here under any circumstances. At least we traded for one fo teh best RBs in the league. Too bad we gave up a second though.

The big thing is, Champ's wife wasn't going to allow him to stay here

Lets just say that Champ had a problem with straying while he was in DC

[sikizler]

and swtich byron westbrook to safety?



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...


no.

You know he's a corner, right?

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=3602

[sikizler]

Portis is no longer an elite back, so please shy away from that discussion.

3 games, 3 TDs = :stfu:

Champ wanted out in the worst way. Yeah we gave up too much adding the 2nd rounder, but be glad that we got one of the premier players in the NFL. And don't tell me that a cover corner impacts a game more than a guy who touches the ball 20-25 times a game. I know he hasn't been this year, but he did in '05 and will start to again starting Sunday.

[method man]

People are talking about the offseason,already? Well, that is my hobby. I am always tinkering with the Redskins roster as if I am the general manager. Let's talk next season and potential improvements.

We need two new back up quarterbacks. Suggestions

We need to keep Clinton and Sellers, give Mason a chance. Who else, choose 2.

We need WR's. There is mention that Larry Fitzgerald will be available. I say get him if we can. Who else do we add to this corp, especially since BL and JT probably won't be here.

Tight End Yeah Chris. Who will becoming that dominant blocking tight end so that Cooley can be utilized much like JG1 used Clint Didier or Al Saunders used Tony Gonzalez. Who remembers Rypien to Didier with the cross the field bomb that was always successful in Gibbs1?

Offensive Line- Resign Whittacker. It seems Bugel was high on him before injury. Go after Jared Gaither. These two signings alongs with Stephon Heyer along with the veterans gives us experience, youth and depth on the OL.

On the DL draft Calais Campbell #1. Cut Phillip Daniels and leave the rest of the line as it is.

At LB - HB, Rocky, London and Marcus sound good to me. Who else do we need? Certainly not Briggs. Not now!!!!

At corner, I agree that we go after Asomaghua. But we still need another CB. I am not comfortable with Carlos. Trade the entire secondary, if necessary to get Asomaghua and another CB. It could be Fabian Washington of the Raiders, D. Hall of Atlanta (yeah, I read the other post, but he is better than Carlos right now). I know there are character issues, but if he is rehabilitated, I would even say give Pacman a try instead of counting on Carlos. It is not Pacman's football talent we are leery of, it is his personal life. Keep Torrence and Eubanks as back ups. We would have the fastest DB in the league.

Safety? Sean and LaRon. Nuf said. Back them up with Prioleau and switch Byron Westbrook to safety.

Shaun Suisham and Derrick Frost are doing great. Leave them alone. But can anyone tell me why no one will go near Vanderjaght. Is it because of the comments he made about Dungy and Peyton or is it something else?

What do you think?

For backup QBs, I would keep Collins but to take Brunell's spot, I would look at how Mr. Harrington keeps on progressing in ATL (at the very worst, he's proven he is a decent backup) and I would look at Billy Volek if he is a FA. Getting someone in the draft is also an option.

For RBs, we should trade Betts. He is a bit too similar to Clinton. The only real difference is that he is a better receiver. We need someone who is very different from Clinton to make this RB-by-committee work. We need a Brian Westbrook shifty speedy type...a Jerious Norwood-type...Marcus Mason showed that he can possibly be that guy. I think we are seeing that Ladell's production was a product of the great OL play in the 2nd half last season, anyway.

For OLs, I would spend at least 2 draft picks on them (probably late round). I would look at guys from small schools. I remember reading about a guy form some unknown school who dominates his conference (the next Jahri Evans, maybe?). We need a guard/center with a nasty streak and another project who plays with nastiness at guard to replace Pucillo and Fabini.

For TEs, we need to continue the search for the veteran blocking TE. Yoder does a decent job, but we could use a really big guy.

For WRs, the guy to go after in FA is Bryant Johnson. He is going to be a lot cheaper than a Fitzgerald, and, while he is not going to be a Pro Bowler, he will at least fit in as the big possession receiver type splitting time at the 2/slot with ARE.

On the defensive line, we need to spend at least 3 picks there, including our first round pick. We need to pick up a one-gap guy who gets great penetration because Griffin, with the injuries, has become unreliable and is not the same guy he was in 2005. We also need to pick up a couple DEs including a starter who is Phillip Daniels-sized and gets a good pass rush (Kendall Langord from Hampton) and a pure pass rusher to compete with Chris Wilson for that role (a Mark Anderson/Elvis Dumervil type in the 5th round if we don't lose that pick for Kendall).

[DirtySkin21]

You know he's a corner, right?

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=3602


are you serious?? i thought he was a fullback?

c'mon now... he's a tiny corner and he will stay a corner.. hes not big enough to switch to safety

[TheGift]

Portis is no longer an elite back, so please shy away from that discussion.

Why because he can't get 80+ yard TD runs? :rolleyes:

[sikizler]

are you serious?? i thought he was a fullback?

c'mon now... he's a tiny corner and he will stay a corner.. hes not big enough to switch to safety

He's the same height as Fox and nine lbs. lighter. This is his first year on an NFL practice squad, not even a roster. He can bulk up. Corner to safety isn't that big of a stretch.

[TotalRecall]

spring wont get cut, sorry.


someone will offer something for him if we shop him. if not, we keep him but you dont cut a player of his caliber

Springs is a FA next year. I don't think the Skins will match what other teams would be willing to pay for him. I would rather keep Springs at least one more season. Trade Rogers away. And get a cover corner by the draft or FA. A rookie corner can't do any worse than Rogers at this point.

[sikizler]

Springs is a FA next year. I don't think the Skins will match what other teams would be willing to pay for him. I would rather keep Springs at least one more season. Trade Rogers away. And get a cover corner by the draft or FA. A rookie corner can't do any worse than Rogers at this point.

I don't think 'los has much trade value.